Re: Accessibility

[Doug]

On 05/21/2016 11:16 PM, Tim wrote:

Allegedly, on or about 21 May 2016, Samuel Sieb sent:

in Gnome Tweak Tool, under "Keyboard and Mouse", there's an option
called "show location of pointer".  If you turn that on, then every
time you press the control key, the mouse pointer is highlighted by
moving circles.

Even that's not particularly obvious, and my eyesight is quite good,
particularly when the mouse is right on the edges of the screen.  What's
needed is more like full-screen cross that points to the mouse, like a
few graphics programs use (so you can actually use those rulers along
the edge of a page).  Somewhat like the following diagram:

+-this is the screen-+---+
||   |
||   |
| \  |  /|
|  \ | / |
|   \|/  |
+o---|
|   /|\  |
|  / | \ |
| /  |  \|
||   |
++---+

It's struck me that with the multi-button mice that you can get, at
least one of the buttons ought to call up a find-pointer function.
Preferably with a toggle on/off mode, rather than having to hold it in.
Again, for the reason I mentioned earlier - being able to use those
screen rules along the edges of pages in graphics programs.


I think that would be very useful, and if somebody creates such a 
program, please put it somewhere in rpm form so that other Linux users 
who are not in Fedora can find and use it!


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Re: Accessibility

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 21 May 2016, Samuel Sieb sent:
> in Gnome Tweak Tool, under "Keyboard and Mouse", there's an option
> called "show location of pointer".  If you turn that on, then every
> time you press the control key, the mouse pointer is highlighted by
> moving circles. 

Even that's not particularly obvious, and my eyesight is quite good,
particularly when the mouse is right on the edges of the screen.  What's
needed is more like full-screen cross that points to the mouse, like a
few graphics programs use (so you can actually use those rulers along
the edge of a page).  Somewhat like the following diagram:

   +-this is the screen-+---+
   ||   |
   ||   |
   | \  |  /|
   |  \ | / |
   |   \|/  |
   +o---|
   |   /|\  |
   |  / | \ |
   | /  |  \|
   ||   |
   ++---+

It's struck me that with the multi-button mice that you can get, at
least one of the buttons ought to call up a find-pointer function.
Preferably with a toggle on/off mode, rather than having to hold it in.
Again, for the reason I mentioned earlier - being able to use those
screen rules along the edges of pages in graphics programs.


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Re: GPG signing problem

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2016-05-21 at 15:04 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 05/21/2016 02:16 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > 
> > 2) the passpharase is different from my login password.
> Good; it's supposed to be.  And, I hope, it's more than one
> word.  One 
> of my friends uses something similar to ThisIsAVeryVeryLongPassword
> for 
> his WiFi router because it's easy to remember and longer than most 
> password guessers are likely to generate.

Yes I know, I was just covering the point in case it came up.

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Re: GPG signing problem

[Corey 'linuxmodder' Sheldon]

On 05/21/2016 05:16 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Sat, 2016-05-21 at 12:30 -0400, Corey 'linuxmodder' Sheldon wrote:
>> try with gpg (or gpg2 if installed):
>>
>>
>> gpg -o ~/localpath -se /path/to/foo.txt  and set the recipient to 
>> that 
>> keyid does that also scream  'no secret  key' ?
> It asked for a passphrase, then warned me that there is no assurance
> that the recipient key belongs to the named user. Otherwise it worked.
receipient's key is  in trustdb ?
> Note that:
>
> 1) when doing this in Evolution, I don't get asked for the passphrase.
There should be  a  'clear saved passphrase'  option on next  use
uncheck 'use passphrase a
> 2) the passpharase is different from my login password.
Good
> 3) gnome-keyring-d is running but there appear to be two processes,
> which is suspicious.
is one tied to gpg-agent?
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Re: GPG signing problem

[Corey 'linuxmodder' Sheldon]

On 05/21/2016 06:04 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 05/21/2016 02:16 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> 2) the passpharase is different from my login password.
>
> Good; it's supposed to be.  And, I hope, it's more than one word.  One
> of my friends uses something similar to ThisIsAVeryVeryLongPassword
> for his WiFi router because it's easy to remember and longer than most
> password guessers are likely to generate.
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take a 20-36  character diagonal password  run it thru  sha512 or an ec
curve and use  and offset and  pre-defined size
can leave the full hash in the clear then even if you didn't want to gpg
lock it  or  other secure means.

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Re: GPG signing problem

[Joe Zeff]

On 05/21/2016 02:16 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

2) the passpharase is different from my login password.


Good; it's supposed to be.  And, I hope, it's more than one word.  One 
of my friends uses something similar to ThisIsAVeryVeryLongPassword for 
his WiFi router because it's easy to remember and longer than most 
password guessers are likely to generate.

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Re: Taskbar Panel in Plasma Won't Autohide

[Colin J Thomson]

On 21/05/2016 03:23, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 05/21/16 08:27, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 19/05/16 11:30, Stephen Morris wrote:
Hi,

I am trying to get the Taskbar Panel to autohide, but when I click on 
the options
button in the panel, the left, right and center options are permanently 
highlighted but
seem to function in terms of moving the indicator that reflects which 
option is active.
Also the 'Always Visible', 'Auto Hide', 'Windows can Cover' and 
'Windows go Below'
options are also permanently highlighted but selecting the 2nd or 3rd 
option does
nothing. It appears these options are highlighted because the colour 
scheme I am using,

which is forget-me-not thinks they are push buttons.

Does anyone know why these don't work anymore in Fedora 23? I am using
Breeze for the Windows Style and Windows Decorations themes.
I forgot to mention this is in Plasma.
When I said it doesn't work anymore, what I meant was Autohide worked 
in

Fedora versions 18 to 22 but not in Fedora 23.

It seems to be broken for me as well.  I didn't notice it, since I 
don't use it.


You may want to post to the KDE list as there are more folks hanging
out their with KDE
experience.  I could not find a bugzilla in either Redhat's BZ or on
KDE.org.  But I tend
not to phrase my queries well.  :-)


It's probably this bug report :-)

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362105

One of those problem bugs as its works fine here on F23 and now since
upgrading on F24 as well. Using nouveau here.

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Re: GPG signing problem

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2016-05-21 at 12:30 -0400, Corey 'linuxmodder' Sheldon wrote:
> try with gpg (or gpg2 if installed):
> 
> 
> gpg -o ~/localpath -se /path/to/foo.txt  and set the recipient to 
> that 
> keyid does that also scream  'no secret  key' ?

It asked for a passphrase, then warned me that there is no assurance
that the recipient key belongs to the named user. Otherwise it worked.

Note that:

1) when doing this in Evolution, I don't get asked for the passphrase.

2) the passpharase is different from my login password.

3) gnome-keyring-d is running but there appear to be two processes,
which is suspicious.

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Re: Balsa -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 05/21/16 05:34, Tim wrote:

Tim:

The bottom half is where you set up the sending servers (SMTP).
Again, you get to give the configurations a name for your own
purposes, the server address (with a colon between address and the
port number), the login name and password, and some other options.


Bob Goodwin:

yes, and the GUI never allows me to set the server address there
[smtp.wildblue.net]. I can set it in config-private with a text editor
though and that seems to make outgoing work.

In what way does it not let you set an address?  No pop-up to type it
into, the text entry area is greyed-out, something else?

+
I can put the cursor on the box, nothing happens, typing produces 
nothing. Greyed out? I dunno what to call it since Balsa acts 
differently, block turns black when the cursor is on it, white when I 
click, and should then accept input, in this case does not.




I completely removed every vestige of balsa I could find and
re-installed anew with dnf install balsa. No improvement resulted but
I know there's nothing corrupted from my earlier efforts ...

Remove and reinstalling only affects system installation files, you will
have to manually manage user-files.  As far as I can see, they're
in /home/username/.balsa/

If you haven't messed with any system/software files, then there's no
point doing the Windows remove/replace hokey cokey dance.  To reset
things, quit the program, ensure that it is actually shut down, remove
user files, and start up the program.

+
Each time I change the balsa set-up I cd to .balsa and rm -fr *, have 
done that routinely with balsa, seems the only way since I have not 
determined hoe to get to everything directly via its files.


I "removed everything else" by doing an updatedb and then locate balsa, 
then removed everything that showed manually, perhaps there is a better 
way but that's all I can think of.

Perhaps I should install from whatever source you used, I don't care
if it's in French, just want to see this work.

I just did yum install balsa from the repos for my old version of Fedora
(20).  My point about the French screenshots was that was all I found in
my quick search, looking for screenshot examples.  Trying to see if
there's a difference between my version and current versions.

I have changed "localhost:25" to the proper server address
[smtp.wildblue.net] each time as part of my normal setup procedure, do
you think it may want localhost?

That can only work if you have a SMTP server installed on your computer,
*and* it's configured to send mail out to the rest of the world (which
is NOT The default).


Normally the port numbers required are 995 and 465.

465 is SMTPS (SMTP with some kind of security).
995 is POP3S (POP3 with some kind of security).

+
I know that, as I have said I have set up e-mail applications, mostly 
Thunderbird, what seems like a thousand times over twenty plus years, it 
usually works without a hitch, balsa has been an exception.


I might add I have other problems which I blame on my ISP, they have 
somehow managed to block everything from vzwpix.com forcing me to use 
gmail for communication with the iPhones, something important to me and 
using gmail for the purpose is an extra step. But that is another 
problem, just leads me to believe it may be related to my balsa problems.

The some-kind-of-security could be SSL or TLS.  Both local and remote
halves of the connection need to use the same type.  That is, the same
methods of connection, and the same encryption.  Remember that in recent
times, some encryption codes have been disabled for security problems,
so that's one potential area of failure (either you or them may be
trying to use a scheme that's now disabled).

Within the configuration windows for entering server addresses, there's
another (Advanced) tab that gives you options about TLS/SSL.  You may
need to go through the combinations available to you to make your client
use the ones your server requires you to use.  Setting up encrypted mail
can be a bit of an experiment, service providers like to do oddball
things, and don't keep their help pages up-to-date.  Likewise, clients
give a plethora of options that are not clear which ones you should set.

In general, with GUI software, you're better to not hand configure their
options, it's too easy for you to make typing errors or set conflicting
settings.

I would try just setting the server domain names without adding port
numbers, and toggle the various security options, while you go through
test sends/receives.  Then, if that gets you nowhere, start adding port
numbers.  But mail clients should really be switching from standard
non-encrypted port numbers to alternative standard encrypted port
numbers, when you click on SSL/TLS options, by themselves.

+
I think I have done these things as you suggest ...

So I tried mail.wildblue.net:995 fir the incoming server address,
still get ERR: Invalid Command when I "check" incoming mail.

Are you certain that you're 

Re: Accessibility

[Samuel Sieb]

On 05/21/2016 02:33 AM, Tiemo Kieft wrote:

Thanks for the suggestions, I'm familiar with the option you are referring to, 
but I need something that I can turn on permanently. The Show Mouse plugin in 
compiz is a bit too dynamic for that (unless they have dramatically changed it.)


Are you using Gnome?  If so, then in Gnome Tweak Tool, under "Keyboard 
and Mouse", there's an option called "show location of pointer".  If you 
turn that on, then every time you press the control key, the mouse 
pointer is highlighted by moving circles.

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Re: GPG signing problem

[Corey 'linuxmodder' Sheldon]

On 05/21/2016 12:24 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Sat, 2016-05-21 at 10:11 -0400, Corey 'linuxmodder' Sheldon wrote:
>>  
>> Consider doign any or all fo the following:
>>
>> 1) re-importing  secret (private) key parts for that key
> I'll try that as a last resort.
>
>> 2) checking in gpg or  Evolution that the trust level is  set (OR
>> that
>> you have the much more insecure setting 'trust all keys' enabled)
> The trust level is set.
>
>> 3) Check for  pinentry-gtk --- If this is  not installed (MOST gpg
>> encryption / secret key passphrase  errors stem from)
> I had pinentry-qt (I'm on KDE). I installed pinentry-gtk and it made no
> difference. I had previously tried the encryption under Gnome with the
> same result.
>
>> Also is this  Default Evolution in the repos or  a  pre-release
>> (alpha/beta)?
> Standard version from the stable F23 repo.
>
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try with gpg (or gpg2 if installed):


gpg -o ~/localpath -se /path/to/foo.txt  and set the recipient to  that 
keyid does that also scream  'no secret  key' ?

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Re: GPG signing problem

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2016-05-21 at 10:11 -0400, Corey 'linuxmodder' Sheldon wrote:
> 
> 
> Consider doign any or all fo the following:
> 
> 1) re-importing  secret (private) key parts for that key

I'll try that as a last resort.

> 2) checking in gpg or  Evolution that the trust level is  set (OR
> that
> you have the much more insecure setting 'trust all keys' enabled)

The trust level is set.

> 3) Check for  pinentry-gtk --- If this is  not installed (MOST gpg
> encryption / secret key passphrase  errors stem from)

I had pinentry-qt (I'm on KDE). I installed pinentry-gtk and it made no
difference. I had previously tried the encryption under Gnome with the
same result.

> Also is this  Default Evolution in the repos or  a  pre-release
> (alpha/beta)?

Standard version from the stable F23 repo.

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Re: Images on user list -

[Ed Greshko]

On 05/21/16 21:23, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> I can't recall the name of the server generally used for pictures referenced 
> in mail to
> the user list, can someone help me?

I am sure there are several choices.  I tend to use https://imagebin.ca/


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Re: GPG signing problem

[Corey 'linuxmodder' Sheldon]

On 05/20/2016 03:47 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Fri, 2016-05-20 at 09:48 -0700, Doug H. wrote:
>> On Fri, 2016-05-20 at 17:07 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>> I'm having a problem in Evolution (3.18.5.2) but suspect that it's
>>> really something in my GPG setup. When I try to sign and encrypt a
>>> message, I get:
>>>
>>> Could not create message.
>>>
>>> Because "gpg: skipped "": No secret key
>>> gpg: signing failed: No secret key
>>> ", you may need to select different mail options.
>>>
>>> I have used GPG in the past with the same key (also from Evolution)
>>> without any problem. Both my own and the destination address are in
>>> my
>>> keyring.
>>>
>>> When I try to use Seahorse to sign a key, it tells me I have no
>>> secret
>>> key to do this with, which looks like the same error.
>>>
>>> So what does "no secret key" mean? All keys in the keyring were
>>> generated by GPG as public/private pairs, so I don't understand
>>> what's
>>> going on.
>> Not sure this helps, but...
>>
>> I was able to get that message when I created a reply to this group.
>>  I
>> then moved over to my inbox to create a new message and was able to
>> sign it.  The trouble for me was clear from the error since I use a
>> non
>> standard e-mail for this list and that was not in my GPG settings.
> The address I'm using to send the mail (and hence to sign it) is one of
> those in my keyring. I've tried using both with the actual address and
> the 8-digit ID string to select the signing key. Both give the same
> error.
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Consider doign any or all fo the following:

1) re-importing  secret (private) key parts for that key
2) checking in gpg or  Evolution that the trust level is  set (OR that
you have the much more insecure setting 'trust all keys' enabled)
3) Check for  pinentry-gtk --- If this is  not installed (MOST gpg
encryption / secret key passphrase  errors stem from)

Also is this  Default Evolution in the repos or  a  pre-release (alpha
/beta)?

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Images on user list -

[Bob Goodwin]

I can't recall the name of the server generally used for pictures 
referenced in mail to the user list, can someone help me?


Bob


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Re: How can I see System Settings on another machine?

[Timothy Murphy]

Samuel Sieb wrote:

>> But do I really need to install software of this kind
>> to see System Settings?
>> I was hoping I could use ssh in some way.
>> Eg I can ssh into the CentOS box and run firefox or kmail.
>>
> Did you see my previous reply about using system-config-printer over
> ssh?  It handles all the printer management including ink/toner levels.

Thank you for your response.

I did try your earlier suggestion.
It did not work at the time,
with the warning
(system-config-printer.py:6506):
  WARNING **: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus:
  Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-FUcik03nBj: Connection refused

However, it worked (with some graphical distortion, eg missing letters)
after I re-installed system-config-printer on the CentOS-7.2 box.

Unfortunately, the reading it gives is completely inaccurate,
as it says the black toner is full, whereas in fact it is completely empty.
It gives a correct reading of the colour toners.


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Re: How can I see System Settings on another machine?

[Tim]

On Fri, 2016-05-20 at 18:35 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> I want to access System Settings=>Printers on my CentOS-7 server
> from my Fedora-24beta laptop.

Alternative, that *may* do what you need, is to browse to the CUPS
server on the other computer.

You may be used to doing http://localhost:631/ to fiddle with CUPS on
your own machine, but simply replace the "localhost" portion with the
hostname or IP of the remote machine.

You *may* have had to preconfigure the remote machine to allow remote
access.  I suspect that it's local-only, by default.



-- 
tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp

Linux 3.19.8-100.fc20.i686 #1 SMP Tue May 12 17:42:35 UTC 2015 i686

All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying
to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists.

George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not
a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments.
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Re: How can I see System Settings on another machine?

[Timothy Murphy]

ven...@billoblog.com wrote:

> What about this?
> 
> https://ssnjara.wordpress.com/2011/10/08/ink-checking-the-ink-level-of-your-printers-from-cli/

Thanks for the suggestion.
I downloaded the "ink" program suggested,
but unfortunately it did not compile,
as it could not find (and neither could I) the file inklevel.h .

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Re: Balsa -

[Tim]

Tim:
>> The bottom half is where you set up the sending servers (SMTP). 
>> Again, you get to give the configurations a name for your own
>> purposes, the server address (with a colon between address and the 
>> port number), the login name and password, and some other options.


Bob Goodwin:
> yes, and the GUI never allows me to set the server address there 
> [smtp.wildblue.net]. I can set it in config-private with a text editor
> though and that seems to make outgoing work.

In what way does it not let you set an address?  No pop-up to type it
into, the text entry area is greyed-out, something else?


> I completely removed every vestige of balsa I could find and 
> re-installed anew with dnf install balsa. No improvement resulted but
> I know there's nothing corrupted from my earlier efforts ...

Remove and reinstalling only affects system installation files, you will
have to manually manage user-files.  As far as I can see, they're
in /home/username/.balsa/

If you haven't messed with any system/software files, then there's no
point doing the Windows remove/replace hokey cokey dance.  To reset
things, quit the program, ensure that it is actually shut down, remove
user files, and start up the program.

> Perhaps I should install from whatever source you used, I don't care
> if it's in French, just want to see this work.

I just did yum install balsa from the repos for my old version of Fedora
(20).  My point about the French screenshots was that was all I found in
my quick search, looking for screenshot examples.  Trying to see if
there's a difference between my version and current versions.
> 
> I have changed "localhost:25" to the proper server address 
> [smtp.wildblue.net] each time as part of my normal setup procedure, do
> you think it may want localhost?

That can only work if you have a SMTP server installed on your computer,
*and* it's configured to send mail out to the rest of the world (which
is NOT The default).

> Normally the port numbers required are 995 and 465.

465 is SMTPS (SMTP with some kind of security).
995 is POP3S (POP3 with some kind of security).

The some-kind-of-security could be SSL or TLS.  Both local and remote
halves of the connection need to use the same type.  That is, the same
methods of connection, and the same encryption.  Remember that in recent
times, some encryption codes have been disabled for security problems,
so that's one potential area of failure (either you or them may be
trying to use a scheme that's now disabled).

Within the configuration windows for entering server addresses, there's
another (Advanced) tab that gives you options about TLS/SSL.  You may
need to go through the combinations available to you to make your client
use the ones your server requires you to use.  Setting up encrypted mail
can be a bit of an experiment, service providers like to do oddball
things, and don't keep their help pages up-to-date.  Likewise, clients
give a plethora of options that are not clear which ones you should set.

In general, with GUI software, you're better to not hand configure their
options, it's too easy for you to make typing errors or set conflicting
settings.

I would try just setting the server domain names without adding port
numbers, and toggle the various security options, while you go through
test sends/receives.  Then, if that gets you nowhere, start adding port
numbers.  But mail clients should really be switching from standard
non-encrypted port numbers to alternative standard encrypted port
numbers, when you click on SSL/TLS options, by themselves.
> 
> So I tried mail.wildblue.net:995 fir the incoming server address,
> still get ERR: Invalid Command when I "check" incoming mail.

Are you certain that you're supposed to be using POP3S?

POP3  POP v3 unsecured (username and password are not encrypted)
POP3S  POP v3 secured (username and password are encrypted)

Or is it POP versus IMAP that you've got wrong.

Is this appropriate to your service provider:
http://help.exede.net/articles/General/POP-IMAP-settings-for-Exede-and-WildBlue-email
I got there from go.wildblue.net

I suppose we should also ask the obvious:  On the computer that you're
trying to do this on, is other networking, working?  Is directly
connected?  What's it go through, routers, firewall boxes?  Is it a
straight OS system, or are you running through a virtual machine?

I've uploaded some screenshots from my installation, here:
http://imgur.com/a/f11EE

Is your version using the same layout?  If so, that makes it a bit
easier to talk through things.  In mine, it's open the preferences and
see this Window, click on the top-most option in the left column to show
the options you see in that screenshot.

Clicking the Add button in the top half of the Remote Mailbox Servers
will pop up the windows that's shown in the second screenshot.  It's in
the Basic tab, showing what I hope are self-obvious options.  Though
I'll point out that the "Mailbox name" is for you to find your settings

Re: Accessibility

[Tiemo Kieft]

Hi Joe,

Thanks for the suggestions, I'm familiar with the option you are referring to, 
but I need something that I can turn on permanently. The Show Mouse plugin in 
compiz is a bit too dynamic for that (unless they have dramatically changed it.)
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Re: jre

[James Hogarth]

On 20 May 2016 6:47 p.m., "Patrick Dupre"  wrote:
>
> OK,
>
> Thank.
>
>
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>
>
> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 at 7:38 PM
> > From: "Rick Stevens" 
> > To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> > Subject: Re: jre
> >
> > On 05/20/2016 10:21 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> > >
> > > OK,
> > >
> > > but it seems that it also needs
> > > javaw
> > > which is not provided.
> > > Is it javawriter ?
> >
> > I suspect you have a version of your program that's for Windows. javaw
> > doesn't exist in Linux--only in Java for Windows. In the Windows world,
> > java opens a console window while javaw does not.
> >
> > You might try doing a symlink and see if it works:
> >
> >   $ sudo ln -s /usr/bin/java /usr/bin/javaw
> >
> > No guarantees on if that'll, though.
> >

That's not accurate

The javaw stuff is nothing to do with Windows but rather is the Java
webstart stuff for running jnlp

That's provided by icedtea-web and will use whichever java is configured
via alternatives as the system java
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