Re: NetworkManager, using two networks simultaneously
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 06/10/2016 03:07 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Chris Murphy >> wrote: >> >>> Clicking the Apply button does not reload the connections, so the >>> settings change does not take effect. I either have to do 'nmcli c >>> reload' or in the GUI click on Wired, then change On to Off to back >>> On. And now it works as expected. GENERAL.DEFAULT is now no for this >>> wired connection, and ip route show no longer shows it as default via. >>> >>> Sooo... if someone wants to test this on Fedora 23 in GNOME to see if >>> this Apply bug happens there, it would be great to know if it's a >>> regression or not, and note this in the bug. >>> >>> Thanks! >> >> >> >> OK I replicated this on the Fedora 23 Server NUC and oops, lost ssh >> entirely. I think what's going on is since wireless is now default, >> ssh comes up only on wireless and not on wired? > > > I don't believe that's the case. Typically that stuff is dependent on > if the _network_ (any network) is up or not, NOT what _kind_ of network > it is. The problem is determining what runs (and when) based on network > status is driven by the spectacularly over-complicated and broken > systemd crapola. There might be something in there that breaks in these > cases. It sure as h*ll wouldn't be the first time systemd was hosed or > had race conditions. > > > Using NM for anything headless is a bad idea. Using NM and DHCP for a > headless unit is a REALLY bad idea. NM, DHCP and wireless for a > headless unit is bordering on insanity. That's just my opinion, but I > do manage a data center with about 300 servers and since I don't have > time (nor the desire) to debug NM-related issues, I don't permit NM on > them. We only use the old, reliable network script stuff. It's like an > old VW Beetle...slow, ugly, noisy and smelly, but seems to always run. > It's all worked out in the end. Laptop and NUC use wireless for internet only, and smb.conf and sshd_config restrict listening to the wired network. The biggest confusion was due to the F24 NetworkManger "Apply" bug. That took hours to discover. And then the next most confusing one, which was maybe 10 minutes worth was that the router had decided to hand out a new ip right at the same time I made the changes on the F23 server. So now all the wired stuff is static. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: NetworkManager, using two networks simultaneously
On 06/10/2016 03:07 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: Clicking the Apply button does not reload the connections, so the settings change does not take effect. I either have to do 'nmcli c reload' or in the GUI click on Wired, then change On to Off to back On. And now it works as expected. GENERAL.DEFAULT is now no for this wired connection, and ip route show no longer shows it as default via. Sooo... if someone wants to test this on Fedora 23 in GNOME to see if this Apply bug happens there, it would be great to know if it's a regression or not, and note this in the bug. Thanks! OK I replicated this on the Fedora 23 Server NUC and oops, lost ssh entirely. I think what's going on is since wireless is now default, ssh comes up only on wireless and not on wired? I don't believe that's the case. Typically that stuff is dependent on if the _network_ (any network) is up or not, NOT what _kind_ of network it is. The problem is determining what runs (and when) based on network status is driven by the spectacularly over-complicated and broken systemd crapola. There might be something in there that breaks in these cases. It sure as h*ll wouldn't be the first time systemd was hosed or had race conditions. Using NM for anything headless is a bad idea. Using NM and DHCP for a headless unit is a REALLY bad idea. NM, DHCP and wireless for a headless unit is bordering on insanity. That's just my opinion, but I do manage a data center with about 300 servers and since I don't have time (nor the desire) to debug NM-related issues, I don't permit NM on them. We only use the old, reliable network script stuff. It's like an old VW Beetle...slow, ugly, noisy and smelly, but seems to always run. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - You possess a mind not merely twisted, but actually sprained.- -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: NetworkManager, using two networks simultaneously
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > >> Clicking the Apply button does not reload the connections, so the >> settings change does not take effect. I either have to do 'nmcli c >> reload' or in the GUI click on Wired, then change On to Off to back >> On. And now it works as expected. GENERAL.DEFAULT is now no for this >> wired connection, and ip route show no longer shows it as default via. >> >> Sooo... if someone wants to test this on Fedora 23 in GNOME to see if >> this Apply bug happens there, it would be great to know if it's a >> regression or not, and note this in the bug. >> >> Thanks! > > > OK I replicated this on the Fedora 23 Server NUC and oops, lost ssh > entirely. I think what's going on is since wireless is now default, > ssh comes up only on wireless and not on wired? > > However: > > sshd_config > > #Port 22 > #AddressFamily any > #ListenAddress 0.0.0.0 > #ListenAddress :: > > And man sshd_config says > ListenAddress > Specifies the local addresses sshd(8) should listen on. > The following forms may be used: > >ListenAddress host|IPv4_addr|IPv6_addr >ListenAddress host|IPv4_addr:port >ListenAddress [host|IPv6_addr]:port > > If port is not specified, sshd will listen on the address > and all Port options specified. The default > is to listen on all local addresses. Multiple > ListenAddress options are permitted. > > I'm not sure what the cause of the problem is yet, but this is what I get now: > > ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.115 port 22: No route to host > > I'll need to connect HDMI and a keyboard to this NUC to see what's going on. Cute. For the first time in a month, it decides to be at 192.168.1.116... So ssh is working on both, but despite using PKA, since that wireless network is wide open, I'd like ssh to not use that connection. Time to go to static IPs on this wired connection... -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: NetworkManager, using two networks simultaneously
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > Clicking the Apply button does not reload the connections, so the > settings change does not take effect. I either have to do 'nmcli c > reload' or in the GUI click on Wired, then change On to Off to back > On. And now it works as expected. GENERAL.DEFAULT is now no for this > wired connection, and ip route show no longer shows it as default via. > > Sooo... if someone wants to test this on Fedora 23 in GNOME to see if > this Apply bug happens there, it would be great to know if it's a > regression or not, and note this in the bug. > > Thanks! OK I replicated this on the Fedora 23 Server NUC and oops, lost ssh entirely. I think what's going on is since wireless is now default, ssh comes up only on wireless and not on wired? However: sshd_config #Port 22 #AddressFamily any #ListenAddress 0.0.0.0 #ListenAddress :: And man sshd_config says ListenAddress Specifies the local addresses sshd(8) should listen on. The following forms may be used: ListenAddress host|IPv4_addr|IPv6_addr ListenAddress host|IPv4_addr:port ListenAddress [host|IPv6_addr]:port If port is not specified, sshd will listen on the address and all Port options specified. The default is to listen on all local addresses. Multiple ListenAddress options are permitted. I'm not sure what the cause of the problem is yet, but this is what I get now: ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.115 port 22: No route to host I'll need to connect HDMI and a keyboard to this NUC to see what's going on. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: nmcli d wifi list shows no AP's
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> Here we go again! >> >> Fedora 23 Server, no GUI, running on an Intel NUC which has Intel >> Corporation Wireless 3165. The problem is, despite the radio being on >> and no obvious complaints, no APs are listed with nmcli d list. >> >> # nmcli r >> WIFI-HW WIFI WWAN-HW WWAN >> enabled enabled enabled enabled >> [root@f23s ~]# nmcli c >> NAMEUUID TYPEDEVICE >> virbr0-nic 9b346e45-60a4-48d4-a4d2-b5452946093b generic virbr0-nic >> virbr0 a4bc029b-716c-41d7-82a1-71af8f2a045e bridge virbr0 >> enp3s0 5cfa14cc-0d22-4c12-ae08-d61d8f47a011 802-3-ethernet enp3s0 >> [root@f23s ~]# nmcli d >> DEVICE TYPE STATE CONNECTION >> virbr0 bridgeconnected virbr0 >> enp3s0 ethernet connected enp3s0 >> virbr0-nic tap connected virbr0-nic >> lo loopback unmanaged -- >> wlp2s0 wifi unmanaged -- >> [root@f23s ~]# nmcli d wifi list >> [root@f23s ~]# >> >> That's not expected. A laptop sees many APs for this same command, but >> it's running Workstation so I wonder if there's something Server needs >> that it doesn't get by default (other than firmware and wpa_supplicant >> which I installed afterward). >> >> Also suspicious: >> >> # journalctl -b | grep iwlwifi >> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/377327/ >> >> It's a model 3165 but it wants 7265D firmware, which it finds and uses >> without complaint. But the Carrier: OFF is curious, not sure what that >> means. >> >> Although this is Fedora 23, it is the Fedora 24 kernel and firmware >> files being used which could be related. But it's the first time I've >> tried to use this wifi. > > Fedora 23 Server > [chris@f23s ~]$ rpm -qa | grep NetworkManager > NetworkManager-1.0.12-2.fc23.x86_64 > NetworkManager-libnm-1.0.12-2.fc23.x86_64 > > Fedora 24 Workstation > [chris@f24m Downloads]$ rpm -qa | grep NetworkManager > NetworkManager-wifi-1.2.2-2.fc24.x86_64 > NetworkManager-pptp-1.2.2-1.fc24.x86_64 > NetworkManager-openvpn-gnome-1.2.2-1.fc24.x86_64 > NetworkManager-1.2.2-2.fc24.x86_64 > NetworkManager-bluetooth-1.2.2-2.fc24.x86_64 > NetworkManager-pptp-gnome-1.2.2-1.fc24.x86_64 > NetworkManager-adsl-1.2.2-2.fc24.x86_64 > NetworkManager-openvpn-1.2.2-1.fc24.x86_64 > NetworkManager-wwan-1.2.2-2.fc24.x86_64 > NetworkManager-libnm-1.2.2-2.fc24.x86_64 > NetworkManager-vpnc-gnome-1.2.2-1.fc24.x86_64 > NetworkManager-vpnc-1.2.2-1.fc24.x86_64 > NetworkManager-config-connectivity-fedora-1.2.2-2.fc24.x86_64 > NetworkManager-team-1.2.2-2.fc24.x86_64 > NetworkManager-openconnect-1.2.2-1.fc24.x86_64 > NetworkManager-glib-1.2.2-2.fc24.x86_64 > > > OK! So I'm gonna guess it wants at least NetworkManager-wifi... That did it. It needed some other things also, ModemManager and a few libraries. But now the command works. And I've connected. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: nmcli d wifi list shows no AP's
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > Here we go again! > > Fedora 23 Server, no GUI, running on an Intel NUC which has Intel > Corporation Wireless 3165. The problem is, despite the radio being on > and no obvious complaints, no APs are listed with nmcli d list. > > # nmcli r > WIFI-HW WIFI WWAN-HW WWAN > enabled enabled enabled enabled > [root@f23s ~]# nmcli c > NAMEUUID TYPEDEVICE > virbr0-nic 9b346e45-60a4-48d4-a4d2-b5452946093b generic virbr0-nic > virbr0 a4bc029b-716c-41d7-82a1-71af8f2a045e bridge virbr0 > enp3s0 5cfa14cc-0d22-4c12-ae08-d61d8f47a011 802-3-ethernet enp3s0 > [root@f23s ~]# nmcli d > DEVICE TYPE STATE CONNECTION > virbr0 bridgeconnected virbr0 > enp3s0 ethernet connected enp3s0 > virbr0-nic tap connected virbr0-nic > lo loopback unmanaged -- > wlp2s0 wifi unmanaged -- > [root@f23s ~]# nmcli d wifi list > [root@f23s ~]# > > That's not expected. A laptop sees many APs for this same command, but > it's running Workstation so I wonder if there's something Server needs > that it doesn't get by default (other than firmware and wpa_supplicant > which I installed afterward). > > Also suspicious: > > # journalctl -b | grep iwlwifi > https://paste.fedoraproject.org/377327/ > > It's a model 3165 but it wants 7265D firmware, which it finds and uses > without complaint. But the Carrier: OFF is curious, not sure what that > means. > > Although this is Fedora 23, it is the Fedora 24 kernel and firmware > files being used which could be related. But it's the first time I've > tried to use this wifi. Fedora 23 Server [chris@f23s ~]$ rpm -qa | grep NetworkManager NetworkManager-1.0.12-2.fc23.x86_64 NetworkManager-libnm-1.0.12-2.fc23.x86_64 Fedora 24 Workstation [chris@f24m Downloads]$ rpm -qa | grep NetworkManager NetworkManager-wifi-1.2.2-2.fc24.x86_64 NetworkManager-pptp-1.2.2-1.fc24.x86_64 NetworkManager-openvpn-gnome-1.2.2-1.fc24.x86_64 NetworkManager-1.2.2-2.fc24.x86_64 NetworkManager-bluetooth-1.2.2-2.fc24.x86_64 NetworkManager-pptp-gnome-1.2.2-1.fc24.x86_64 NetworkManager-adsl-1.2.2-2.fc24.x86_64 NetworkManager-openvpn-1.2.2-1.fc24.x86_64 NetworkManager-wwan-1.2.2-2.fc24.x86_64 NetworkManager-libnm-1.2.2-2.fc24.x86_64 NetworkManager-vpnc-gnome-1.2.2-1.fc24.x86_64 NetworkManager-vpnc-1.2.2-1.fc24.x86_64 NetworkManager-config-connectivity-fedora-1.2.2-2.fc24.x86_64 NetworkManager-team-1.2.2-2.fc24.x86_64 NetworkManager-openconnect-1.2.2-1.fc24.x86_64 NetworkManager-glib-1.2.2-2.fc24.x86_64 OK! So I'm gonna guess it wants at least NetworkManager-wifi... -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
nmcli d wifi list shows no AP's
Here we go again! Fedora 23 Server, no GUI, running on an Intel NUC which has Intel Corporation Wireless 3165. The problem is, despite the radio being on and no obvious complaints, no APs are listed with nmcli d list. # nmcli r WIFI-HW WIFI WWAN-HW WWAN enabled enabled enabled enabled [root@f23s ~]# nmcli c NAMEUUID TYPEDEVICE virbr0-nic 9b346e45-60a4-48d4-a4d2-b5452946093b generic virbr0-nic virbr0 a4bc029b-716c-41d7-82a1-71af8f2a045e bridge virbr0 enp3s0 5cfa14cc-0d22-4c12-ae08-d61d8f47a011 802-3-ethernet enp3s0 [root@f23s ~]# nmcli d DEVICE TYPE STATE CONNECTION virbr0 bridgeconnected virbr0 enp3s0 ethernet connected enp3s0 virbr0-nic tap connected virbr0-nic lo loopback unmanaged -- wlp2s0 wifi unmanaged -- [root@f23s ~]# nmcli d wifi list [root@f23s ~]# That's not expected. A laptop sees many APs for this same command, but it's running Workstation so I wonder if there's something Server needs that it doesn't get by default (other than firmware and wpa_supplicant which I installed afterward). Also suspicious: # journalctl -b | grep iwlwifi https://paste.fedoraproject.org/377327/ It's a model 3165 but it wants 7265D firmware, which it finds and uses without complaint. But the Carrier: OFF is curious, not sure what that means. Although this is Fedora 23, it is the Fedora 24 kernel and firmware files being used which could be related. But it's the first time I've tried to use this wifi. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: NetworkManager, using two networks simultaneously
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Gordon Messmer >> wrote: >>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Chris Murphy >>> wrote: I would have though for wired, setting "Use this connection only for resources on its network" would do that, but it doesn't. >>> >>> What does "ip route show" output when you set that option? Also, are >>> you setting that option for both ipv4 and ipv6? >> >> Wireless On, Wired Off = Internet works >> >> [root@f24m ~]# ip route show >> default via 172.19.11.1 dev wlp3s0b1 proto static metric 600 >> 172.19.11.0/24 dev wlp3s0b1 proto kernel scope link src >> 172.19.11.35 metric 600 >> 192.168.124.0/24 dev virbr0 proto kernel scope link src >> 192.168.124.1 linkdown >> >> Wirless On, Wired On with "Use this connection only for resources on >> its network" unchecked = No internet >> >> [root@f24m ~]# ip route show >> default via 192.168.1.1 dev enp2s0f0 proto static metric 100 >> default via 172.19.11.1 dev wlp3s0b1 proto static metric 600 >> 172.19.11.0/24 dev wlp3s0b1 proto kernel scope link src >> 172.19.11.35 metric 600 >> 192.168.1.0/24 dev enp2s0f0 proto kernel scope link src >> 192.168.1.185 metric 100 >> 192.168.124.0/24 dev virbr0 proto kernel scope link src >> 192.168.124.1 linkdown >> >> Wirless On, Wired On with "Use this connection only for resources on >> its network" checked = No internet >> >> [root@f24m ~]# ip route show >> default via 192.168.1.1 dev enp2s0f0 proto static metric 100 >> default via 172.19.11.1 dev wlp3s0b1 proto static metric 600 >> 172.19.11.0/24 dev wlp3s0b1 proto kernel scope link src >> 172.19.11.35 metric 600 >> 192.168.1.0/24 dev enp2s0f0 proto kernel scope link src >> 192.168.1.185 metric 100 >> 192.168.124.0/24 dev virbr0 proto kernel scope link src >> 192.168.124.1 linkdown >> >> Two default via's? Seems like a bad idea. Is this a bug? I can't >> imagine that I'm the only person with two ethernets, it doesn't really >> matter one of them is wireless, and I have a prefered default routing. >> >> https://developer.gnome.org/NetworkManager/stable/ref-settings.html >> says that ipv4.never-default yes should mean "this connection will >> never be the default connection for this IP type, meaning it will >> never be assigned the default route by NetworkManager." But this is >> definitely not true. There's a bug somewhere, either my reading >> comprehension is flawed, the documentation is flawed, or >> NetworkManager should work the way the doc and I think it should work. > > Aha! The "Use this connection only for resources on its network" > causes ipv4.never-default to change from no to yes. i.e. unchecked > it's no, and checked it's yes. > > So why doesn't this do what I'm thinking it ought to do? Answer! It's a bug! https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1344788 Clicking the Apply button does not reload the connections, so the settings change does not take effect. I either have to do 'nmcli c reload' or in the GUI click on Wired, then change On to Off to back On. And now it works as expected. GENERAL.DEFAULT is now no for this wired connection, and ip route show no longer shows it as default via. Sooo... if someone wants to test this on Fedora 23 in GNOME to see if this Apply bug happens there, it would be great to know if it's a regression or not, and note this in the bug. Thanks! -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: NetworkManager, using two networks simultaneously
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Gordon Messmer > wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Chris Murphy >> wrote: >>> >>> I would have though for wired, setting "Use this connection only for >>> resources on its network" would do that, but it doesn't. >> >> What does "ip route show" output when you set that option? Also, are >> you setting that option for both ipv4 and ipv6? > > Wireless On, Wired Off = Internet works > > [root@f24m ~]# ip route show > default via 172.19.11.1 dev wlp3s0b1 proto static metric 600 > 172.19.11.0/24 dev wlp3s0b1 proto kernel scope link src > 172.19.11.35 metric 600 > 192.168.124.0/24 dev virbr0 proto kernel scope link src > 192.168.124.1 linkdown > > Wirless On, Wired On with "Use this connection only for resources on > its network" unchecked = No internet > > [root@f24m ~]# ip route show > default via 192.168.1.1 dev enp2s0f0 proto static metric 100 > default via 172.19.11.1 dev wlp3s0b1 proto static metric 600 > 172.19.11.0/24 dev wlp3s0b1 proto kernel scope link src > 172.19.11.35 metric 600 > 192.168.1.0/24 dev enp2s0f0 proto kernel scope link src > 192.168.1.185 metric 100 > 192.168.124.0/24 dev virbr0 proto kernel scope link src > 192.168.124.1 linkdown > > Wirless On, Wired On with "Use this connection only for resources on > its network" checked = No internet > > [root@f24m ~]# ip route show > default via 192.168.1.1 dev enp2s0f0 proto static metric 100 > default via 172.19.11.1 dev wlp3s0b1 proto static metric 600 > 172.19.11.0/24 dev wlp3s0b1 proto kernel scope link src > 172.19.11.35 metric 600 > 192.168.1.0/24 dev enp2s0f0 proto kernel scope link src > 192.168.1.185 metric 100 > 192.168.124.0/24 dev virbr0 proto kernel scope link src > 192.168.124.1 linkdown > > Two default via's? Seems like a bad idea. Is this a bug? I can't > imagine that I'm the only person with two ethernets, it doesn't really > matter one of them is wireless, and I have a prefered default routing. > > https://developer.gnome.org/NetworkManager/stable/ref-settings.html > says that ipv4.never-default yes should mean "this connection will > never be the default connection for this IP type, meaning it will > never be assigned the default route by NetworkManager." But this is > definitely not true. There's a bug somewhere, either my reading > comprehension is flawed, the documentation is flawed, or > NetworkManager should work the way the doc and I think it should work. Aha! The "Use this connection only for resources on its network" causes ipv4.never-default to change from no to yes. i.e. unchecked it's no, and checked it's yes. So why doesn't this do what I'm thinking it ought to do? -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: NetworkManager, using two networks simultaneously
On Fri, 2016-06-10 at 13:25 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Gordon Messmer > wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Chris Murphy > com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I would have though for wired, setting "Use this connection only > > > for > > > resources on its network" would do that, but it doesn't. > > What does "ip route show" output when you set that option? Also, > > are > > you setting that option for both ipv4 and ipv6? > Wireless On, Wired Off = Internet works > > [root@f24m ~]# ip route show > default via 172.19.11.1 dev wlp3s0b1 proto static metric 600 > 172.19.11.0/24 dev wlp3s0b1 proto kernel scope link src > 172.19.11.35 metric 600 > 192.168.124.0/24 dev virbr0 proto kernel scope link src > 192.168.124.1 linkdown > > Wirless On, Wired On with "Use this connection only for resources on > its network" unchecked = No internet > > [root@f24m ~]# ip route show > default via 192.168.1.1 dev enp2s0f0 proto static metric 100 > default via 172.19.11.1 dev wlp3s0b1 proto static metric 600 > 172.19.11.0/24 dev wlp3s0b1 proto kernel scope link src > 172.19.11.35 metric 600 > 192.168.1.0/24 dev enp2s0f0 proto kernel scope link src > 192.168.1.185 metric 100 > 192.168.124.0/24 dev virbr0 proto kernel scope link src > 192.168.124.1 linkdown > > Wirless On, Wired On with "Use this connection only for resources on > its network" checked = No internet > > [root@f24m ~]# ip route show > default via 192.168.1.1 dev enp2s0f0 proto static metric 100 > default via 172.19.11.1 dev wlp3s0b1 proto static metric 600 If you want wireless to be your default you will have to change the route metric, your LAN has a metric of 100; therefore, it will always be the default route. You can delete both route, add the wireless route with lower metric or use 100 and add the LAN route with a higher metric and you should be set. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: NetworkManager, using two networks simultaneously
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> I would have though for wired, setting "Use this connection only for >> resources on its network" would do that, but it doesn't. > > What does "ip route show" output when you set that option? Also, are > you setting that option for both ipv4 and ipv6? Wireless On, Wired Off = Internet works [root@f24m ~]# ip route show default via 172.19.11.1 dev wlp3s0b1 proto static metric 600 172.19.11.0/24 dev wlp3s0b1 proto kernel scope link src 172.19.11.35 metric 600 192.168.124.0/24 dev virbr0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.124.1 linkdown Wirless On, Wired On with "Use this connection only for resources on its network" unchecked = No internet [root@f24m ~]# ip route show default via 192.168.1.1 dev enp2s0f0 proto static metric 100 default via 172.19.11.1 dev wlp3s0b1 proto static metric 600 172.19.11.0/24 dev wlp3s0b1 proto kernel scope link src 172.19.11.35 metric 600 192.168.1.0/24 dev enp2s0f0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.185 metric 100 192.168.124.0/24 dev virbr0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.124.1 linkdown Wirless On, Wired On with "Use this connection only for resources on its network" checked = No internet [root@f24m ~]# ip route show default via 192.168.1.1 dev enp2s0f0 proto static metric 100 default via 172.19.11.1 dev wlp3s0b1 proto static metric 600 172.19.11.0/24 dev wlp3s0b1 proto kernel scope link src 172.19.11.35 metric 600 192.168.1.0/24 dev enp2s0f0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.185 metric 100 192.168.124.0/24 dev virbr0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.124.1 linkdown Two default via's? Seems like a bad idea. Is this a bug? I can't imagine that I'm the only person with two ethernets, it doesn't really matter one of them is wireless, and I have a prefered default routing. https://developer.gnome.org/NetworkManager/stable/ref-settings.html says that ipv4.never-default yes should mean "this connection will never be the default connection for this IP type, meaning it will never be assigned the default route by NetworkManager." But this is definitely not true. There's a bug somewhere, either my reading comprehension is flawed, the documentation is flawed, or NetworkManager should work the way the doc and I think it should work. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: NetworkManager, using two networks simultaneously
Just a random thought here: If you really want NM to use only the wireless, you could create a /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg- file and set NM_CONTROLLED="no" and ONBOOT="no" and then NetworkManager and network should both ignore it by default. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: NetworkManager, using two networks simultaneously
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > I would have though for wired, setting "Use this connection only for > resources on its network" would do that, but it doesn't. What does "ip route show" output when you set that option? Also, are you setting that option for both ipv4 and ipv6? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: NetworkManager, using two networks simultaneously
On 06/10/2016 10:38 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 06/10/2016 09:42 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: Hi, How do I tell NetworkManager to default to wireless? The environment I'm in provides internet only via wireless, so that needs to be the default route, if that's the proper term. Right now it's defaulting to wired and since there's no internet via that route, the web browser hangs. Hi Chris, You could try a technique used by VPNs that avoids redefining the default route. The default route is used when nothing else matches so you create a "virtual" default route that takes precedence by splitting the ipv4 address space in two. ip r a 0.0.0.0/1 via "wireless gateway ip" dev wireless_device ip r a 128.0.0.0/1 via "wireless gateway ip" dev wireless_device That should accomplish what you want. Mike Wright -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: NetworkManager, using two networks simultaneously
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Fred Smith > wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 11:38:22AM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: >>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Rick Stevens wrote: >>> > On 06/10/2016 09:42 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Hi, >>> >> >>> >> How do I tell NetworkManager to default to wireless? The environment >>> >> I'm in provides internet only via wireless, so that needs to be the >>> >> default route, if that's the proper term. Right now it's defaulting to >>> >> wired and since there's no internet via that route, the web browser >>> >> hangs. >>> >> >>> >> I would have though for wired, setting "Use this connection only for >>> >> resources on its network" would do that, but it doesn't. >>> > >>> > >>> > I don't even have that option in my NM applet. I could untick >>> > "Automatically connect to this network when it is available" in my NM >>> > applet for the wired connection. >>> >>> If you click on IPv4 and scroll down under Routes, "Use this >>> connection only for resources on its network" but I have no idea what >>> that does. >> >> did you ever connect to a VPN and discover that you then cannot access >> anything on your localnetwork, or out on the internet? > > Yes. > > >> if you check that box it doesn't block all those other systems/networks, >> sending only the things that need to go to that connection to it and >> letting everything else be routed as it always has before. > > That's very cool but I think I'd stick it in the VPN connection > configuration. I suspect whether you want this passthrough to work > might depend on which VPN connection you're using. But anyway... > > > So what I think is going on here, when I look at the output from > 'nmcli c show' for wifi and wired connections is this: > > Wired: > GENERAL.DEFAULT:yes > > Wireless: > GENERAL.DEFAULT:no # nmcli c modify e9e610f6-c5e0-4853-87ac-89248ca1a531 GENERAL.DEFAULT yes Error: invalid or not allowed setting 'GENERAL': 'GENERAL' not among [connection, 802-11-wireless (wifi), 802-11-wireless-security (wifi-sec), 802-1x, ipv4, ipv6]. There's ipv4.never-default but setting that from no to yes for wired and reloading changes nothing. Its GENERAL.DEFAULT is still yes, and web browser still hangs. There's connection.autoconnect-priority which if wired is set to 0 and wireless set to 1, should mean wireless gets priority, but no, GENERAL.DEFAULT for wired is still yes and for wireless still no. And browser still hangs. So I'm out of ideas. This is really rudimentary for like > 10 years in Windows and OS X, I'm more than a little surprised it's this difficult to figure out in the NetworkManager GUI, but really surprised it's obscure even in the cli. I can't believe no one is multihoming and has to pick which network they prefer? -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: NetworkManager, using two networks simultaneously
On 06/10/2016 11:11 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Fred Smith wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 11:38:22AM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 06/10/2016 09:42 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: Hi, How do I tell NetworkManager to default to wireless? The environment I'm in provides internet only via wireless, so that needs to be the default route, if that's the proper term. Right now it's defaulting to wired and since there's no internet via that route, the web browser hangs. I would have though for wired, setting "Use this connection only for resources on its network" would do that, but it doesn't. I don't even have that option in my NM applet. I could untick "Automatically connect to this network when it is available" in my NM applet for the wired connection. If you click on IPv4 and scroll down under Routes, "Use this connection only for resources on its network" but I have no idea what that does. did you ever connect to a VPN and discover that you then cannot access anything on your localnetwork, or out on the internet? Yes. if you check that box it doesn't block all those other systems/networks, sending only the things that need to go to that connection to it and letting everything else be routed as it always has before. That's very cool but I think I'd stick it in the VPN connection configuration. I suspect whether you want this passthrough to work might depend on which VPN connection you're using. But anyway... So what I think is going on here, when I look at the output from 'nmcli c show' for wifi and wired connections is this: Wired: GENERAL.DEFAULT:yes Wireless: GENERAL.DEFAULT:no That's the only meaningful difference I can see between these two. While I can change this with nmcli, I don't see anything in the GUI for choosing a preferred or default connection/interface. I was just going to suggest using nmcli. Yes, I don't think they provide that functionality in the NM GUI. A lot of GUIs are "incomplete" in that regard (not all features are available in the GUI)--not just NM. Often there are so many options that the GUI would be incredibly cluttered and confusing, so just the stuff "most commonly used" is put in. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - I won't rise to the occasion, but I'll slide over to it. - -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: NetworkManager, using two networks simultaneously
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Fred Smith wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 11:38:22AM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Rick Stevens wrote: >> > On 06/10/2016 09:42 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> How do I tell NetworkManager to default to wireless? The environment >> >> I'm in provides internet only via wireless, so that needs to be the >> >> default route, if that's the proper term. Right now it's defaulting to >> >> wired and since there's no internet via that route, the web browser >> >> hangs. >> >> >> >> I would have though for wired, setting "Use this connection only for >> >> resources on its network" would do that, but it doesn't. >> > >> > >> > I don't even have that option in my NM applet. I could untick >> > "Automatically connect to this network when it is available" in my NM >> > applet for the wired connection. >> >> If you click on IPv4 and scroll down under Routes, "Use this >> connection only for resources on its network" but I have no idea what >> that does. > > did you ever connect to a VPN and discover that you then cannot access > anything on your localnetwork, or out on the internet? Yes. > if you check that box it doesn't block all those other systems/networks, > sending only the things that need to go to that connection to it and > letting everything else be routed as it always has before. That's very cool but I think I'd stick it in the VPN connection configuration. I suspect whether you want this passthrough to work might depend on which VPN connection you're using. But anyway... So what I think is going on here, when I look at the output from 'nmcli c show' for wifi and wired connections is this: Wired: GENERAL.DEFAULT:yes Wireless: GENERAL.DEFAULT:no That's the only meaningful difference I can see between these two. While I can change this with nmcli, I don't see anything in the GUI for choosing a preferred or default connection/interface. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: NetworkManager, using two networks simultaneously
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 11:38:22AM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Rick Stevens wrote: > > On 06/10/2016 09:42 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> How do I tell NetworkManager to default to wireless? The environment > >> I'm in provides internet only via wireless, so that needs to be the > >> default route, if that's the proper term. Right now it's defaulting to > >> wired and since there's no internet via that route, the web browser > >> hangs. > >> > >> I would have though for wired, setting "Use this connection only for > >> resources on its network" would do that, but it doesn't. > > > > > > I don't even have that option in my NM applet. I could untick > > "Automatically connect to this network when it is available" in my NM > > applet for the wired connection. > > If you click on IPv4 and scroll down under Routes, "Use this > connection only for resources on its network" but I have no idea what > that does. did you ever connect to a VPN and discover that you then cannot access anything on your localnetwork, or out on the internet? if you check that box it doesn't block all those other systems/networks, sending only the things that need to go to that connection to it and letting everything else be routed as it always has before. -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - "And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever." --- Isaiah 9:7 (niv) -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: NetworkManager, using two networks simultaneously
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 06/10/2016 09:42 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> How do I tell NetworkManager to default to wireless? The environment >> I'm in provides internet only via wireless, so that needs to be the >> default route, if that's the proper term. Right now it's defaulting to >> wired and since there's no internet via that route, the web browser >> hangs. >> >> I would have though for wired, setting "Use this connection only for >> resources on its network" would do that, but it doesn't. > > > I don't even have that option in my NM applet. I could untick > "Automatically connect to this network when it is available" in my NM > applet for the wired connection. If you click on IPv4 and scroll down under Routes, "Use this connection only for resources on its network" but I have no idea what that does. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: NetworkManager, using two networks simultaneously
On 06/10/2016 09:42 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: Hi, How do I tell NetworkManager to default to wireless? The environment I'm in provides internet only via wireless, so that needs to be the default route, if that's the proper term. Right now it's defaulting to wired and since there's no internet via that route, the web browser hangs. I would have though for wired, setting "Use this connection only for resources on its network" would do that, but it doesn't. I don't even have that option in my NM applet. I could untick "Automatically connect to this network when it is available" in my NM applet for the wired connection. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - -- -If Windows isn't a virus, then it sure as hell is a carrier!- -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
NetworkManager, using two networks simultaneously
Hi, How do I tell NetworkManager to default to wireless? The environment I'm in provides internet only via wireless, so that needs to be the default route, if that's the proper term. Right now it's defaulting to wired and since there's no internet via that route, the web browser hangs. I would have though for wired, setting "Use this connection only for resources on its network" would do that, but it doesn't. Thanks, -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: copying images out of pdfs
On 06/10/2016 04:41 AM, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: Am 09.06.2016 um 19:58 schrieb Robert Moskowitz: I want to pull out specific figures to include in a presentation. Not convert the entire pdf to an image. Like this fig 9-2: If you really want to pull a vector graphic like this in a clean way, you can do it with Inkscape (any other vector editing tool capable of handling pdf works as well, but I often use this one): * as Inkscape only seems to be able to open a single pdf page, first extract the page in question (e. g. page 39) with a tool of your liking * open page39.pdf in Inkscape * with the selection tool, draw a rectangle which covers all elements of your figure * copy and paste the selection to a new empty drawing * save as fig9_2.svg or fig9_2.eps I got it to paste right into LibreOffice Impress. Of course it is the full graphic with all the elements showing! Not a pixel image when I use Okular! thanks -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: copying images out of pdfs
Again Fedora 22 Xfce. It seems Evince lacks being able to copy an image out of a pdf so I can paste said image into a presentation. Select text seems to be the only option. It was sad when we lost Acrobat reader for Linux. What other tool can read in pdfs and provide selecting an image (e.g. a figure in an IEEE standard) that I can then copy over to Libre Office? thanks -- I use gimp. You are limited to one page at a time, but it is easy to select and area and then create the kind of file that you want. Greg Ennis -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: copying images out of pdfs
Am 10.06.2016 um 11:42 schrieb Robert Moskowitz: On 06/10/2016 04:41 AM, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: Am 09.06.2016 um 19:58 schrieb Robert Moskowitz: I want to pull out specific figures to include in a presentation. Not convert the entire pdf to an image. Like this fig 9-2: If you really want to pull a vector graphic like this in a clean way, you can do it with Inkscape (any other vector editing tool capable of handling pdf works as well, but I often use this one): * as Inkscape only seems to be able to open a single pdf page, first extract the page in question (e. g. page 39) with a tool of your liking * open page39.pdf in Inkscape * with the selection tool, draw a rectangle which covers all elements of your figure * copy and paste the selection to a new empty drawing * save as fig9_2.svg or fig9_2.eps I will look into Inkscape, I see it in the F22 repo. But what is a svg or eps file? Can they be imported into a Libreoffice presentation? And then Powerpoint? Thanks They are both vector graphics formats: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Vector_Graphics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encapsulated_PostScript Libreoffice impress can import svg files, but for reasons I dont know, it doesn't read eps, at least the ones created with Inkscape. Powerpoint (2010), on the other hand, imports eps, but not svg ... If you want to try the files, you can download fig 9-2 in eps and svg format from here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8c1ua34sxv27dth/AACpb_fM3ieiwzvV_OyVxefRa?dl=0 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: copying images out of pdfs
On 06/10/2016 04:41 AM, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: Am 09.06.2016 um 19:58 schrieb Robert Moskowitz: I want to pull out specific figures to include in a presentation. Not convert the entire pdf to an image. Like this fig 9-2: If you really want to pull a vector graphic like this in a clean way, you can do it with Inkscape (any other vector editing tool capable of handling pdf works as well, but I often use this one): * as Inkscape only seems to be able to open a single pdf page, first extract the page in question (e. g. page 39) with a tool of your liking * open page39.pdf in Inkscape * with the selection tool, draw a rectangle which covers all elements of your figure * copy and paste the selection to a new empty drawing * save as fig9_2.svg or fig9_2.eps I will look into Inkscape, I see it in the F22 repo. But what is a svg or eps file? Can they be imported into a Libreoffice presentation? And then Powerpoint? Thanks -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: thunderbird locks up
Hey,
I have the same situation, but then on a Debian workstation. Especially
when Thunderbird has big maildir's.
My solution is the following:
icedove clean cache:
cd /home/maikel/.icedove <-- first find your thunderbird dir.
find . -name "*.msf" -exec rm -rf {} \;
This will delete the caching files.
Salute,
On 06/10/2016 09:47 AM, Peter Lesterhuis wrote:
>> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 10:29:03 -0400
>> From: Robert Moskowitz
>> Subject: Re: Thunderbird locks up
>> To: Community support for Fedora users
>> Message-ID:
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>>
>>
>> On 06/09/2016 10:02 AM, peterlesterh...@tiscali.nl wrote:
>>>
>>> How did you do that, recreating your TB setup?
>> You rename your Thunderbird directory. I think the default is somewhere
>> around ~/.mozilla
>>
>> Start TB and it will create a whole new directory structure. Configure
>> your account and soforth. then shutdown TB, copy over your mail
>> directories, filters, address book, sigs and restart. There will be a
>> little more config fixing, and you have a 'clean' setup with just your data.
>
> I've got it working again!!
> Like you suggested I did a "clean setup".
> Thanks all of you for helping me to solve this problem.
>
>
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Re: copying images out of pdfs
Am 09.06.2016 um 19:58 schrieb Robert Moskowitz: I want to pull out specific figures to include in a presentation. Not convert the entire pdf to an image. Like this fig 9-2: If you really want to pull a vector graphic like this in a clean way, you can do it with Inkscape (any other vector editing tool capable of handling pdf works as well, but I often use this one): * as Inkscape only seems to be able to open a single pdf page, first extract the page in question (e. g. page 39) with a tool of your liking * open page39.pdf in Inkscape * with the selection tool, draw a rectangle which covers all elements of your figure * copy and paste the selection to a new empty drawing * save as fig9_2.svg or fig9_2.eps -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
re: thunderbird locks up
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 10:29:03 -0400 From: Robert Moskowitz Subject: Re: Thunderbird locks up To: Community support for Fedora users Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 06/09/2016 10:02 AM,peterlesterh...@tiscali.nl wrote: How did you do that, recreating your TB setup? You rename your Thunderbird directory. I think the default is somewhere around ~/.mozilla Start TB and it will create a whole new directory structure. Configure your account and soforth. then shutdown TB, copy over your mail directories, filters, address book, sigs and restart. There will be a little more config fixing, and you have a 'clean' setup with just your data. I've got it working again!! Like you suggested I did a "clean setup". Thanks all of you for helping me to solve this problem. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
