date:20161127

On 11/28/16 14:42, Ed Greshko wrote:
> Ooops...  Forget this last try  I was on an F25 VM.
>
> Going to do same on F24. 
>
> Wait a bit

Well the core dump was the same in F24 as F25.

I have found this 
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1808558-openoffice-4-1-2-4-1-3-crashed-on-fedora-24

But can't connect to the bugzilla system to see what
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124948 has to say.

This is probably out of scope for Fedora.  So, not sure if I'll try and track 
it down.

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Re: PostgreSQL broken by upgrade to F24

2016-11-27 Thread Raman Gupta

> On 11/27/2016 10:27 PM, Stephen Davies wrote:
> Install postgresql-upgrade.

If you have any databases that use postgis, postgresql-upgrade fails 
spectacularly. You do have to take some manual steps to get the binaries for 
the older version, so that the upgrade completes. This blog post was helpful to 
me:

https://juergritter.wordpress.com/2016/08/06/upgrading-postgis-after-migration-from-fedora-23-to-fedora-24/

Regards,
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Re: PostgreSQL broken by upgrade to F24

2016-11-27 Thread Samuel Sieb


On 11/27/2016 10:27 PM, Stephen Davies wrote:

In it's infinite wisdom, the upgrade from F23 to F24 updates PostgreSQL
from 9.4 to 9.5.5 making existing databases unusable.


What else could it do?  Never upgrade PostgreSQL?


I suppose that there is a warning about this somewhere but it certainly
isn't part of the upgrade process.

I know that I can use pg_upgrade to migrate my databases but need the
9.4 binaries to do that.

Are the files in /usr/lib64/pgsql/postgresql-9.4/bin the correct ones to
use with pg_upgrade?


Install postgresql-upgrade.
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Re: Open Office fails after upgrade to F24

Ooops...  Forget this last try  I was on an F25 VM.

Going to do same on F24. 

Wait a bit

On 11/28/16 14:36, Ed Greshko wrote:
> Oh, FWIW, I have a VM.  So, I erases libreoffice from my system and installed
> Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.3.


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Re: Open Office fails after upgrade to F24



On 11/28/16 13:10, Stephen Davies wrote:
> Looks as if you are running libreoffice rather than openoffice (from Apache).
>
> I also suspected the LD_LIBRARY_PATH but the root version is the same.

Oh, FWIW, I have a VM.  So, I erases libreoffice from my system and installed
Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.3.

I can't start it in either my user or root.

[egreshko@meimei ~]$ cat err
+ SAL_ENABLE_FILE_LOCKING=1
+ export SAL_ENABLE_FILE_LOCKING
++ pwd
+ sd_cwd=/home/egreshko
+ sd_res=/usr/bin/soffice
+ '[' -h /usr/bin/soffice ']'
++ dirname /usr/bin/soffice
+ cd /usr/bin
++ basename /usr/bin/soffice
+ sd_basename=soffice
++ sed 's/.*soffice -> //g'
++ ls -l soffice
+ sd_res=/opt/openoffice4/program/soffice
+ '[' -h /opt/openoffice4/program/soffice ']'
++ dirname /opt/openoffice4/program/soffice
+ cd /opt/openoffice4/program
++ pwd
+ sd_prog=/opt/openoffice4/program
+ cd /home/egreshko
++ basename /usr/bin/soffice
+ sd_binary=soffice.bin
+ sd_pagein_args=@pagein-common
+ /opt/openoffice4/program/pagein -L/opt/openoffice4/program @pagein-common
+ '[' -x /opt/openoffice4/program/javaldx ']'
+ case "`uname -s`" in
++ uname -s
++ /opt/openoffice4/program/javaldx
-env:INIFILENAME=vnd.sun.star.pathname:/opt/openoffice4/program/redirectrc
+
my_path=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.8.0-openjdk-1.8.0.111-3.b16.fc25.x86_64/jre/lib/amd64/client:/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.8.0-openjdk-1.8.0.111-3.b16.fc25.x86_64/jre/lib/amd64/native_threads:/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.8.0-openjdk-1.8.0.111-3.b16.fc25.x86_64/jre/lib/amd64
+ '[' -n
/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.8.0-openjdk-1.8.0.111-3.b16.fc25.x86_64/jre/lib/amd64/client:/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.8.0-openjdk-1.8.0.111-3.b16.fc25.x86_64/jre/lib/amd64/native_threads:/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.8.0-openjdk-1.8.0.111-3.b16.fc25.x86_64/jre/lib/amd64
']'
+
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.8.0-openjdk-1.8.0.111-3.b16.fc25.x86_64/jre/lib/amd64/client:/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.8.0-openjdk-1.8.0.111-3.b16.fc25.x86_64/jre/lib/amd64/native_threads:/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.8.0-openjdk-1.8.0.111-3.b16.fc25.x86_64/jre/lib/amd64
+ export LD_LIBRARY_PATH
+ unset XENVIRONMENT
+ SAL_NO_XINITTHREADS=true
+ export SAL_NO_XINITTHREADS
+ '[' -f /etc/adabasrc ']'
+ trap 'kill -9 $!' TERM
+ wait 2426
+ /opt/openoffice4/program/soffice.bin
Application Error

Fatal exception: Signal 6
/usr/bin/soffice: line 121:  2426 Aborted (core dumped)
"$sd_prog/$sd_binary" "$@"
+ sd_ret=134
+ '[' 134 -eq 79 -o 134 -eq 81 ']'
+ exit 134


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PostgreSQL broken by upgrade to F24

In it's infinite wisdom, the upgrade from F23 to F24 updates PostgreSQL from 
9.4 to 9.5.5 making existing databases unusable.


I suppose that there is a warning about this somewhere but it certainly isn't 
part of the upgrade process.


I know that I can use pg_upgrade to migrate my databases but need the 9.4 
binaries to do that.


Are the files in /usr/lib64/pgsql/postgresql-9.4/bin the correct ones to use 
with pg_upgrade?

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Re: Open Office fails after upgrade to F24

On 11/28/16 13:10, Stephen Davies wrote:
> Looks as if you are running libreoffice rather than openoffice (from Apache).
>
> I also suspected the LD_LIBRARY_PATH but the root version is the same. 

Oh, you are right.  I am running libreoffice 5.2 as supplied by Fedora Project. 
 I missed
that you're running something else.

Maybe Apache has a support mailing list?  It would seem best to ask them.

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Re: Open Office fails after upgrade to F24


On 28/11/16 15:32, Ed Greshko wrote:



On 11/28/16 12:22, Stephen Davies wrote:

If I run /usr/bin/soffice as root, it works and the Office menu appears.
If I do the same as myself (sh -x /usr/bin/soffice), I get:

+ SAL_ENABLE_FILE_LOCKING=1
+ export SAL_ENABLE_FILE_LOCKING
++ pwd
+ sd_cwd=/home/scldad
+ sd_res=/usr/bin/soffice
+ '[' -h /usr/bin/soffice ']'
++ dirname /usr/bin/soffice
+ cd /usr/bin
++ basename /usr/bin/soffice
+ sd_basename=soffice
++ ls -l soffice
++ sed 's/.*soffice -> //g'
+ sd_res=/opt/openoffice4/program/soffice
+ '[' -h /opt/openoffice4/program/soffice ']'
++ dirname /opt/openoffice4/program/soffice
+ cd /opt/openoffice4/program
++ pwd
+ sd_prog=/opt/openoffice4/program
+ cd /home/scldad
++ basename /usr/bin/soffice
+ sd_binary=soffice.bin
+ sd_pagein_args=@pagein-common
+ /opt/openoffice4/program/pagein -L/opt/openoffice4/program @pagein-common
+ '[' -x /opt/openoffice4/program/javaldx ']'
+ case "`uname -s`" in
++ uname -s
++ /opt/openoffice4/program/javaldx
-env:INIFILENAME=vnd.sun.star.pathname:/opt/openoffice4/program/redirectrc
+
my_path=/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_71/jre/lib/amd64/client:/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_71/jre/lib/amd64/native_threads:/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_71/jre/lib/amd64
+ '[' -n
/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_71/jre/lib/amd64/client:/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_71/jre/lib/amd64/native_threads:/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_71/jre/lib/amd64
']'
+
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_71/jre/lib/amd64/client:/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_71/jre/lib/amd64/native_threads:/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_71/jre/lib/amd64:/opt/LCS/bv103/doci:/opt/LCS/bv103/dm/lib
+ export LD_LIBRARY_PATH
+ unset XENVIRONMENT
+ '[' -f /etc/adabasrc ']'
+ trap 'kill -9 $!' TERM
+ wait 11722
+ /opt/openoffice4/program/soffice.bin
+ sd_ret=0
+ '[' 0 -eq 79 -o 0 -eq 81 ']'
+ exit 0


Running soffice without sh -x gives absolutely nothing.


Well, I would check the environment compared to root's.  I also find the 
reference to
LD_LIBRARY_PATH suspect.

Here is what I get.

[egreshko@acer ~]$ sh -x /usr/bin/soffice
+ LO_SAVE_LC_ALL=
+ LC_ALL=C
+ export LC_ALL
+ SAL_ENABLE_FILE_LOCKING=1
+ export SAL_ENABLE_FILE_LOCKING
++ pwd
+ sd_cwd=/home/egreshko
+ sd_res=/usr/bin/soffice
+ '[' -h /usr/bin/soffice ']'
++ dirname /usr/bin/soffice
+ cd /usr/bin
++ basename /usr/bin/soffice
+ sd_basename=soffice
++ ls -l soffice
++ sed 's/.*soffice -> //g'
+ sd_res=/usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/soffice
+ '[' -h /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/soffice ']'
++ dirname /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/soffice
+ cd /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program
++ pwd
+ sd_prog=/usr/lib64/libreoffice/program
+ cd /home/egreshko
+ '[' -e /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/ooenv ']'
+ GDBTRACECHECK=
+ STRACECHECK=
+ VALGRINDCHECK=
+ RRCHECK=
+ checks=
+ EXTRAOPT=
+ test -n ''
+ test -n ''
+ echo ''
+ grep -q cc
+ case "`uname -s`" in
++ uname -s
+ LC_ALL=
+ '[' -n '' ']'
+ '[' -n '' -a -z '' ']'
+ exec /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/oosplash



Looks as if you are running libreoffice rather than openoffice (from Apache).

I also suspected the LD_LIBRARY_PATH but the root version is the same.

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Re: Open Office fails after upgrade to F24



On 11/28/16 12:22, Stephen Davies wrote:
> If I run /usr/bin/soffice as root, it works and the Office menu appears.
> If I do the same as myself (sh -x /usr/bin/soffice), I get:
>
> + SAL_ENABLE_FILE_LOCKING=1
> + export SAL_ENABLE_FILE_LOCKING
> ++ pwd
> + sd_cwd=/home/scldad
> + sd_res=/usr/bin/soffice
> + '[' -h /usr/bin/soffice ']'
> ++ dirname /usr/bin/soffice
> + cd /usr/bin
> ++ basename /usr/bin/soffice
> + sd_basename=soffice
> ++ ls -l soffice
> ++ sed 's/.*soffice -> //g'
> + sd_res=/opt/openoffice4/program/soffice
> + '[' -h /opt/openoffice4/program/soffice ']'
> ++ dirname /opt/openoffice4/program/soffice
> + cd /opt/openoffice4/program
> ++ pwd
> + sd_prog=/opt/openoffice4/program
> + cd /home/scldad
> ++ basename /usr/bin/soffice
> + sd_binary=soffice.bin
> + sd_pagein_args=@pagein-common
> + /opt/openoffice4/program/pagein -L/opt/openoffice4/program @pagein-common
> + '[' -x /opt/openoffice4/program/javaldx ']'
> + case "`uname -s`" in
> ++ uname -s
> ++ /opt/openoffice4/program/javaldx
> -env:INIFILENAME=vnd.sun.star.pathname:/opt/openoffice4/program/redirectrc
> +
> my_path=/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_71/jre/lib/amd64/client:/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_71/jre/lib/amd64/native_threads:/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_71/jre/lib/amd64
> + '[' -n
> /usr/java/jdk1.7.0_71/jre/lib/amd64/client:/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_71/jre/lib/amd64/native_threads:/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_71/jre/lib/amd64
> ']'
> +
> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_71/jre/lib/amd64/client:/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_71/jre/lib/amd64/native_threads:/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_71/jre/lib/amd64:/opt/LCS/bv103/doci:/opt/LCS/bv103/dm/lib
> + export LD_LIBRARY_PATH
> + unset XENVIRONMENT
> + '[' -f /etc/adabasrc ']'
> + trap 'kill -9 $!' TERM
> + wait 11722
> + /opt/openoffice4/program/soffice.bin
> + sd_ret=0
> + '[' 0 -eq 79 -o 0 -eq 81 ']'
> + exit 0
>
>
> Running soffice without sh -x gives absolutely nothing. 

Well, I would check the environment compared to root's.  I also find the 
reference to
LD_LIBRARY_PATH suspect.

Here is what I get.

[egreshko@acer ~]$ sh -x /usr/bin/soffice
+ LO_SAVE_LC_ALL=
+ LC_ALL=C
+ export LC_ALL
+ SAL_ENABLE_FILE_LOCKING=1
+ export SAL_ENABLE_FILE_LOCKING
++ pwd
+ sd_cwd=/home/egreshko
+ sd_res=/usr/bin/soffice
+ '[' -h /usr/bin/soffice ']'
++ dirname /usr/bin/soffice
+ cd /usr/bin
++ basename /usr/bin/soffice
+ sd_basename=soffice
++ ls -l soffice
++ sed 's/.*soffice -> //g'
+ sd_res=/usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/soffice
+ '[' -h /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/soffice ']'
++ dirname /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/soffice
+ cd /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program
++ pwd
+ sd_prog=/usr/lib64/libreoffice/program
+ cd /home/egreshko
+ '[' -e /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/ooenv ']'
+ GDBTRACECHECK=
+ STRACECHECK=
+ VALGRINDCHECK=
+ RRCHECK=
+ checks=
+ EXTRAOPT=
+ test -n ''
+ test -n ''
+ echo ''
+ grep -q cc
+ case "`uname -s`" in
++ uname -s
+ LC_ALL=
+ '[' -n '' ']'
+ '[' -n '' -a -z '' ']'
+ exec /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/oosplash
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Re: Open Office fails after upgrade to F24


On 28/11/16 14:26, Ed Greshko wrote:



On 11/28/16 09:55, Stephen Davies wrote:

Following an upgrade from F23 to F24 yesterday, an attempt to start Open
Office gives the following in /var/log/messages (worked fine under F23):

Nov 28 12:22:13 mustang kwin_x11: QXcbWindow: Unhandled client message:
"_NET_CURRENT_DESKTOP"
Nov 28 12:22:24 mustang kwin_x11: QXcbConnection: XCB error: 3 (BadWindow), 
sequence:
7727, resource id: 33558153, major code: 18 (ChangeProperty), minor code: 0
Nov 28 12:22:26 mustang plasmashell: QXcbConnection: XCB error: 2 (BadValue),
sequence: 5590, resource id: 2097157, major code: 141 (Unknown), minor code: 3
Nov 28 12:22:26 mustang plasmashell: QXcbConnection: XCB error: 2 (BadValue),
sequence: 5645, resource id: 94371842, major code: 141 (Unknown), minor code:


Works fine here.  Just started it from the menu, picking "Spreadsheet".

Have you tried starting from a konsole session to see if you get more info?


If I run /usr/bin/soffice as root, it works and the Office menu appears.
If I do the same as myself (sh -x /usr/bin/soffice), I get:

+ SAL_ENABLE_FILE_LOCKING=1
+ export SAL_ENABLE_FILE_LOCKING
++ pwd
+ sd_cwd=/home/scldad
+ sd_res=/usr/bin/soffice
+ '[' -h /usr/bin/soffice ']'
++ dirname /usr/bin/soffice
+ cd /usr/bin
++ basename /usr/bin/soffice
+ sd_basename=soffice
++ ls -l soffice
++ sed 's/.*soffice -> //g'
+ sd_res=/opt/openoffice4/program/soffice
+ '[' -h /opt/openoffice4/program/soffice ']'
++ dirname /opt/openoffice4/program/soffice
+ cd /opt/openoffice4/program
++ pwd
+ sd_prog=/opt/openoffice4/program
+ cd /home/scldad
++ basename /usr/bin/soffice
+ sd_binary=soffice.bin
+ sd_pagein_args=@pagein-common
+ /opt/openoffice4/program/pagein -L/opt/openoffice4/program @pagein-common
+ '[' -x /opt/openoffice4/program/javaldx ']'
+ case "`uname -s`" in
++ uname -s
++ /opt/openoffice4/program/javaldx 
-env:INIFILENAME=vnd.sun.star.pathname:/opt/openoffice4/program/redirectrc
+ 
my_path=/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_71/jre/lib/amd64/client:/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_71/jre/lib/amd64/native_threads:/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_71/jre/lib/amd64
+ '[' -n 
/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_71/jre/lib/amd64/client:/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_71/jre/lib/amd64/native_threads:/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_71/jre/lib/amd64 
']'
+ 
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_71/jre/lib/amd64/client:/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_71/jre/lib/amd64/native_threads:/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_71/jre/lib/amd64:/opt/LCS/bv103/doci:/opt/LCS/bv103/dm/lib

+ export LD_LIBRARY_PATH
+ unset XENVIRONMENT
+ '[' -f /etc/adabasrc ']'
+ trap 'kill -9 $!' TERM
+ wait 11722
+ /opt/openoffice4/program/soffice.bin
+ sd_ret=0
+ '[' 0 -eq 79 -o 0 -eq 81 ']'
+ exit 0


Running soffice without sh -x gives absolutely nothing.
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Re: Open Office fails after upgrade to F24



On 11/28/16 09:55, Stephen Davies wrote:
> Following an upgrade from F23 to F24 yesterday, an attempt to start Open
> Office gives the following in /var/log/messages (worked fine under F23):
>
> Nov 28 12:22:13 mustang kwin_x11: QXcbWindow: Unhandled client message:
> "_NET_CURRENT_DESKTOP"
> Nov 28 12:22:24 mustang kwin_x11: QXcbConnection: XCB error: 3 (BadWindow), 
> sequence:
> 7727, resource id: 33558153, major code: 18 (ChangeProperty), minor code: 0
> Nov 28 12:22:26 mustang plasmashell: QXcbConnection: XCB error: 2 (BadValue),
> sequence: 5590, resource id: 2097157, major code: 141 (Unknown), minor code: 3
> Nov 28 12:22:26 mustang plasmashell: QXcbConnection: XCB error: 2 (BadValue),
> sequence: 5645, resource id: 94371842, major code: 141 (Unknown), minor code: 

Works fine here.  Just started it from the menu, picking "Spreadsheet".

Have you tried starting from a konsole session to see if you get more info?

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Re: Continuing dnf weirdness

2016-11-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram

Hi


On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 11:29 AM Ian Pilcher  wrote:

> That does sound like a plausible cause.  The weird thing is that I
> already have install_weak_deps=false in dnf.conf, and it doesn't look
> like there's any separate setting for updates.
>
> So it *shouldn't* be trying to install weak dependencies.
>

Might be worth getting the debugging info and reporting a bug

https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf/wiki/Bug-Reporting

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Open Office fails after upgrade to F24

Following an upgrade from F23 to F24 yesterday, an attempt to start Open 
Office gives the following in /var/log/messages (worked fine under F23):


Nov 28 12:22:13 mustang kwin_x11: QXcbWindow: Unhandled client message: 
"_NET_CURRENT_DESKTOP"
Nov 28 12:22:24 mustang kwin_x11: QXcbConnection: XCB error: 3 (BadWindow), 
sequence: 7727, resource id: 33558153, major code: 18 (ChangeProperty), minor 
code: 0
Nov 28 12:22:26 mustang plasmashell: QXcbConnection: XCB error: 2 (BadValue), 
sequence: 5590, resource id: 2097157, major code: 141 (Unknown), minor code: 3
Nov 28 12:22:26 mustang plasmashell: QXcbConnection: XCB error: 2 (BadValue), 
sequence: 5645, resource id: 94371842, major code: 141 (Unknown), minor code: 3

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Re: Middle Button Emulation -

On 11/28/16 06:39, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> Ok, I understand that. I made the changes to 10-evdev.conf as was 
> suggestedmore than a
> year ago, assumed that just had to be.
>
> So in the present case /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d should survive updates, but how 
> would I
> determine the sequence in which the files are parsed? It looks to me like 
> "conf.d" might
> be something to look for? /N/ext time I will ask ... 

Consult "man 5 xorg.conf" for the gory details of what directories are searched 
under the
various conditions.  :-) :-)

Bottom line, from the man page

   Finally, configuration files will also be  searched  for  in  a  
directory
   reserved for system use.  This is to separate configuration files from 
the
   vendor or 3rd party packages from those of  local  administration.   
These
   files are found in the following directory:

   /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d

Note the phrase "reserved for system use".   :-) :-)

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Re: Fedora 25 upgrade woes

2016-11-27 Thread Joe Zeff


On 11/27/2016 11:48 AM, Denis Leroy wrote:

Problem still occurs on a fresh install, and /etc/gdm/custom.conf
doesn't actually exist. I guess only lightdm is installed by the Live
distro. Will try on other system.


That's because gdm is the Gnome Display Manager and Xfce uses lightdm by 
default.

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Re: Middle Button Emulation -


On 11/27/16 16:20, Ed Greshko wrote:

That is why every system service has a location where a user can make changes to
configurations which will not be overwritten by updates.  In this case your 
changes should
be made to a file that you create in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d.  It would also be 
helpful when
making user defined changes that you try to gain an understanding of the 
sequence in which
configuration files are processed.  Configuration files can be located in 
multiple places
and are normally parsed sequentially with the last instance of a given option 
being used.


+

Ok, I understand that. I made the 
changes to 10-evdev.conf as was 
suggestedmore than a year ago, assumed 
that just had to be.


So in the present case 
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d should survive 
updates, but how would I determine the 
sequence in which the files are parsed? 
It looks to me like "conf.d" might be 
something to look for? /N/ext time I 
will ask ...



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Re: Fedora 25 upgrade woes

2016-11-27 Thread Denis Leroy


On 11/27/2016 11:20 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:

On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 08:48:42PM +0100, Denis Leroy wrote:

Problem still occurs on a fresh install, and /etc/gdm/custom.conf
doesn't actually exist. I guess only lightdm is installed by the
Live distro. Will try on other system.

In this case, it's definitely not Wayland.


Good to know, thank you.
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Re: Fedora 25 upgrade woes

2016-11-27 Thread Matthew Miller

On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 08:48:42PM +0100, Denis Leroy wrote:
> Problem still occurs on a fresh install, and /etc/gdm/custom.conf
> doesn't actually exist. I guess only lightdm is installed by the
> Live distro. Will try on other system.

In this case, it's definitely not Wayland.

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Re: Middle Button Emulation -

On 11/28/16 00:44, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> Yes, after some updates I have had to go back and "fix" 3-button emulation, a 
> bother but
> I am lost without it. Old habits are hard to break, especially
> when they work better than the alternative. 

That is why every system service has a location where a user can make changes to
configurations which will not be overwritten by updates.  In this case your 
changes should
be made to a file that you create in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d.  It would also be 
helpful when
making user defined changes that you try to gain an understanding of the 
sequence in which
configuration files are processed.  Configuration files can be located in 
multiple places
and are normally parsed sequentially with the last instance of a given option 
being used.

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Re: Fedora 25 upgrade woes

2016-11-27 Thread Denis Leroy


On 11/27/2016 07:50 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:

On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 07:24:49PM +0100, Denis Leroy wrote:

Both systems are very different. One is a Lenovo, built-in Intel
graphics support and XFCE, the other is a Dell with a AMD Firepro
M5100 graphics card running Cinnamon. Yet the result is the same. I
assumed Wayland is at fault here, however I noticed both systems
work fine if I boot with an older kernel:

Can you try editing /etc/gdm/custom.conf and uncommenting WaylandEnable=false
as a diagnostic step?



Problem still occurs on a fresh install, and /etc/gdm/custom.conf 
doesn't actually exist. I guess only lightdm is installed by the Live 
distro. Will try on other system.



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Re: Fedora 25 upgrade woes

2016-11-27 Thread Matthew Miller

On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 07:24:49PM +0100, Denis Leroy wrote:
> Both systems are very different. One is a Lenovo, built-in Intel
> graphics support and XFCE, the other is a Dell with a AMD Firepro
> M5100 graphics card running Cinnamon. Yet the result is the same. I
> assumed Wayland is at fault here, however I noticed both systems
> work fine if I boot with an older kernel:

Can you try editing /etc/gdm/custom.conf and uncommenting WaylandEnable=false
as a diagnostic step?

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Fedora 25 upgrade woes

2016-11-27 Thread Denis Leroy


Hi List,


So I updated both my Fedora laptops from 24 to 25, resulting in both 
booting into black screens with no login dialogs and no way of going 
into a console or looking at logs.



Both systems are very different. One is a Lenovo, built-in Intel 
graphics support and XFCE, the other is a Dell with a AMD Firepro M5100 
graphics card running Cinnamon. Yet the result is the same. I assumed 
Wayland is at fault here, however I noticed both systems work fine if I 
boot with an older kernel:



kernel-4.8.6-300.fc25.x86_64 : works

kernel-4.8.8-300.fc25.x86_64 : nope


I had some trouble finding further info on this looking at various 
forums and mailing lists, hence my message here. Any insight appreciated.


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Re: F25 nautilus problem: Double clicking on .tgz archives will extract them immediatley into the same directory

2016-11-27 Thread Joachim Backes


On 11/27/16 17:36, Branko Grubic wrote:

On Sun, 2016-11-27 at 14:44 +0100, Joachim Backes wrote:

On 11/27/16 13:28, bitlord wrote:

On Sun, 2016-11-27 at 11:57 +0100, Joachim Backes wrote:

Hy all F25 users,

...

"Extract the files on open"


Hi bitlord, following exactly your advice did not help: If now
Doubleclicking on the .tgz file, nothing happens.

The only thing which helps is selecting the archive file with the
right
mouse key, then select "Open with other application" and activate
"archiv manager" as recommended app.



I have no idea, for me it does work as expected, did only try with
.tar.xz, .tar.gz, .tgz and .zip files, it opens file-roller by default
when this feature is disabled.



Hi Branko,

in the meantime I experimented a little bit with the "properties" 
window, and now, the double klicking on tgz files works as expected.


Kind regards

Joachim Backes


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Re: Middle Button Emulation -


On 11/27/16 10:37, Ed Greshko wrote:

2 things to note here.

First, that file is, as noted in the comments contained in the file, for evdev 
based
systems.  The default these days for Fedora is "libinput" not "evdev".  Try not 
to confuse
the 2.

+
I saw a reference to "libinput" but did 
not know how to deal with it so 
continued doing what I had been doing, 
in this case the wrong thing ...


Second, you should avoid making changes to "system" files in places such as 
/usr/share
whatever.  These can get overwritten without your knowledge on updates and 
upgrades and
leave you scratching your head.  In this case the file you tried changing is 
provided by
the package xorg-x11-drv-evdev and should that package get updated or whatever 
it could
change that file and remove whatever changes you made.

+
Yes, after some updates I have had to go 
back and "fix" 3-button emulation, a 
bother but I am lost without it. Old 
habits are hard to break, especially 
when they work better than the alternative.


Thanks for the help,

Bob


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Re: F25 nautilus problem: Double clicking on .tgz archives will extract them immediatley into the same directory

2016-11-27 Thread Branko Grubic

On Sun, 2016-11-27 at 14:44 +0100, Joachim Backes wrote:
> On 11/27/16 13:28, bitlord wrote:
> > On Sun, 2016-11-27 at 11:57 +0100, Joachim Backes wrote:
> > > Hy all F25 users,
> > > 
> > > ...
> > "Extract the files on open"
> 
> Hi bitlord, following exactly your advice did not help: If now 
> Doubleclicking on the .tgz file, nothing happens.
> 
> The only thing which helps is selecting the archive file with the
> right 
> mouse key, then select "Open with other application" and activate 
> "archiv manager" as recommended app.
> 
> 
I have no idea, for me it does work as expected, did only try with
.tar.xz, .tar.gz, .tgz and .zip files, it opens file-roller by default
when this feature is disabled. 
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Re: Continuing dnf weirdness

2016-11-27 Thread Ian Pilcher


On 11/25/2016 03:43 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

I don't have F25 installed anywhere yet, but from something I've seen
mentioned on one of the lists, dnf currently prints that message for
weak dependencies.  And libreoffice-x11 is a weak dependency of
libreoffice-core.  So this is not a problem and will be corrected soon.


That does sound like a plausible cause.  The weird thing is that I
already have install_weak_deps=false in dnf.conf, and it doesn't look
like there's any separate setting for updates.

So it *shouldn't* be trying to install weak dependencies.

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Re: Redshift and Dropbox not quite working after F24-F25 upgrade [partially SOLVED]

2016-11-27 Thread Matthew Saltzman

On Fri, 2016-11-25 at 14:21 -0500, Eric Griffith wrote:
> Not sure about Dropbox, but RedShift is a known issue. Redshift's
> model doesn't work under Wayland, the default session in F25. The
> same idea as RedShift has been / is working on being integrated into
> upstream Gnome and will work its way down to users in a future
> update. It still works under X, however.
> 
> You can go back to using X by logging out, and hitting the gear next
> to the "login" button. From there, hit "Gnome on Xorg" and login. 

I reinstalled the dropbox RPM from dropbox.com and it still didn't
work, but the one from RPMFusion Nonfree replaced that one this morning
and now it is working.

> 
> Cheers!
> Eric
> 
> > On Nov 25, 2016, at 12:39, Matthew Saltzman 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > I have two GNOME workstations upgraded from F24 to F25. Before the
> > upgrade, Dropbox and Redshift were accessible from the little
> > slide-out 
> > task bar at the lower left of the screen. Now, on one I see Dropbox
> > but
> > not Redshift and on the other, I don't have the slide-out drawer at
> > all. According to GNOME Tweak-Tool, both apps are listed on the
> > startup
> > panel.
> > 
> > So far, everything else seems to have gone smoothly.
> > 
> > How to debug?  TIA.
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Re: Middle Button Emulation -

On 11/27/16 23:22, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> Doing as suggested corrects the problem:
>
> adding a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-3rdbutton.conf with the following 
> content:
>
> Section "InputClass"
>Identifier "middle button"
>MatchIsPointer "on"
>MatchDriver "libinput"
>Option "MiddleEmulation" "on"
> EndSection
>
> Fixes 3 button emulation and I can copy and paste conveniently again, a lot 
> less
> clicking around!

Very good.

>
> First I tried making that change in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf 
> but it did
> not work.

2 things to note here. 

First, that file is, as noted in the comments contained in the file, for evdev 
based
systems.  The default these days for Fedora is "libinput" not "evdev".  Try not 
to confuse
the 2.

Second, you should avoid making changes to "system" files in places such as 
/usr/share
whatever.  These can get overwritten without your knowledge on updates and 
upgrades and
leave you scratching your head.  In this case the file you tried changing is 
provided by
the package xorg-x11-drv-evdev and should that package get updated or whatever 
it could
change that file and remove whatever changes you made.

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Re: Middle Button Emulation -


On 11/27/16 09:27, Bob Goodwin wrote:

On 11/27/16 08:32, Ed Greshko wrote:


On 11/27/16 18:34, Bob Goodwin wrote:
I'm having troubled setting middle 
button emulation in a new Fedora25 
Workstation/XFCE

installation. first I added:

Section "InputClass"
   Identifier "middle button 
emulation class"

   MatchIsPointer "on"
   Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on"
   Driver "evdev"
 EndSection

to 
/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf 
as I have done in the past. then my 
notes
led me to "xinput" but I can't make 
that work, dunno the right command ...


I find it hard to work without this 
feature, especially when configuring 
a new install

so it is one of the first things I fix!

What am I doing wrong?

Have a look at
http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/9973/configuring-mouse-for-rightleft-button-simulating-middle-click-for-copy-paste 



and the very last comment for a 
suggestion which claims to work.



+

Doing as suggested corrects the problem:

adding a file 
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-3rdbutton.conf 
with the following content:


Section "InputClass"
   Identifier "middle button"
   MatchIsPointer "on"
   MatchDriver "libinput"
   Option "MiddleEmulation" "on"
EndSection

Fixes 3 button emulation and I can copy 
and paste conveniently again, a lot less 
clicking around!


First I tried making that change in 
/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf 
but it did not work.


My impression from what I have read is 
that this function is disabled for the 
convenience of game players for whom the 
pressing of both buttons implements 
other functions. I think that's unfair 
if it is so, it should be optional from 
a menu ...


Bob

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Re: Middle Button Emulation -

On 11/27/16 08:32, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 11/27/16 18:34, Bob Goodwin wrote:

I'm having troubled setting middle button emulation in a new Fedora25
Workstation/XFCE
installation. first I added:

Section "InputClass"
Identifier "middle button emulation class"
MatchIsPointer "on"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on"
Driver "evdev"
EndSection

to /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf as I have done in the past. then my
notes
led me to "xinput" but I can't make that work, dunno the right command ...

I find it hard to work without this feature, especially when configuring a new
install
so it is one of the first things I fix!

What am I doing wrong?

Have a look at
http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/9973/configuring-mouse-for-rightleft-button-simulating-middle-click-for-copy-paste

and the very last comment for a suggestion which claims to work.

George in Memphis just jogged my memory,
this is a problem that began with
Fedora-24. I use a Logitech Marble
Mouse, looks like a track ball to me. I
have several with four buttons and one
old one with two buttons. I switched to
the 2-button device to solve the problem
and forgot about it, put nothing in my
notes either ...

Swapping the devices fixes the problem
on the new Fedora-25 installationtoo!

A circuit diagram would be nice but such
stuff is never available for computer
hardware.

So next I will try as suggested on that
page.

Thanks,

Bob

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Re: F25 XFCE font rendering

2016-11-27 Thread Heinz Diehl

On 26.11.2016, Heinz Diehl wrote: 

> I'll take a closer look at the remaining F24 system, where this wasn't
> of any problem. I bet it has to do with the file mentioned before.

For those who care: looked into it, and the file
/etc/fonts/conf.d/10-hinting-slight.conf simply wasn't there in
previous Fedora releases. At least not in F23/24. So the solution is
to alter or replace the hinting here.
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Re: F25 nautilus problem: Double clicking on .tgz archives will extract them immediatley into the same directory

2016-11-27 Thread Joachim Backes


On 11/27/16 13:28, bitlord wrote:

On Sun, 2016-11-27 at 11:57 +0100, Joachim Backes wrote:

Hy all F25 users,

I'm running F25 with gnome/X11 desktop environment, and having
problems
with nautilus: I have some directories where .tgz archives are
located.
Suddenly, clicking on the .tgz files will no more open them and show
their contents, but the .tgz file will be immediately unpacked into
the
same dir. How to restore the old behaviour which will only open the
archive and not unpack it?

Any help will be appreciated.

Kind regards

Joachim Backes



Hi Joachim,

Go to app menu of nautilus (next to the Activities), open Preferences,
select Behavior tab, and there is an option Compressed Files uncheck
"Extract the files on open"


Hi bitlord, following exactly your advice did not help: If now 
Doubleclicking on the .tgz file, nothing happens.


The only thing which helps is selecting the archive file with the right 
mouse key, then select "Open with other application" and activate 
"archiv manager" as recommended app.


Kind regards

Joachim Backes

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Re: Middle Button Emulation -



On 11/27/16 18:34, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> I'm having troubled setting middle button emulation in a new Fedora25 
> Workstation/XFCE
> installation. first I added:
>
> Section "InputClass"
>   Identifier "middle button emulation class"
>   MatchIsPointer "on"
>   Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on"
>   Driver "evdev"
> EndSection
>
> to /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf as I have done in the past. then 
> my notes
> led me to "xinput" but I can't make that work, dunno the right command ...
>
> I find it hard to work without this feature, especially when configuring a 
> new install
> so it is one of the first things I fix!
>
> What am I doing wrong?

Have a look at
http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/9973/configuring-mouse-for-rightleft-button-simulating-middle-click-for-copy-paste

and the very last comment for a suggestion which claims to work.




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Re: F25 Wayland on Optimus-enabled laptops

2016-11-27 Thread Roman

В Сб, 26/11/2016 в 06:37 -0800, Link Dupont пишет:
> Two headline features of Fedora 25 are:
> 
> - Wayland by default
> - Initial support for PRIME offload rendering for NVIDIA Optimus
> laptops
> 
> My laptop has a dual GPU setup (Skylake + GTX 970), but I can't seem
> to
> start a Wayland session at all. GDM even runs using Xorg, and the
> "GNOME" session logs in using Xorg.
> 
> I checked my initramfs, but it includes the drm module, as well as
> both
> kernel modules: nouveau.ko and i915.ko. From a console session, I can
> start weston (weston-launch), but I can't start gnome-shell (dbus-
> run-
> session -- gnome-shell --display-server --wayland). It errors with:
> 
> mutter-WARNING **: Can't initialize KMS backend: could not find drm
> kms
> device.
> 
> The Wayland session worked in F24, so I'm guessing this is because of
> the dual-GPU support enabled in F25. Should these two features be
> mutually exclusive? Should I expect wayland *or* GPU render
> offloading?

IMHO its better to use bumblebee for now - it works fine with wayland
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bumblebee


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Re: F25 Wayland on Optimus-enabled laptops

2016-11-27 Thread AV

On Sat, 2016-11-26 at 06:37 -0800, Link Dupont wrote:
> Two headline features of Fedora 25 are:
> 
> - Wayland by default
> - Initial support for PRIME offload rendering for NVIDIA Optimus
> laptops
> 
> My laptop has a dual GPU setup (Skylake + GTX 970), but I can't seem
> to
> start a Wayland session at all. GDM even runs using Xorg, and the
> "GNOME" session logs in using Xorg.
> 
> I checked my initramfs, but it includes the drm module, as well as
> both
> kernel modules: nouveau.ko and i915.ko. From a console session, I can
> start weston (weston-launch), but I can't start gnome-shell (dbus-
> run-
> session -- gnome-shell --display-server --wayland). It errors with:
> 
> mutter-WARNING **: Can't initialize KMS backend: could not find drm
> kms
> device.
> 
> The Wayland session worked in F24, so I'm guessing this is because of
> the dual-GPU support enabled in F25. Should these two features be
> mutually exclusive? Should I expect wayland *or* GPU render
> offloading?


See https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2016/11/01/discrete-graphics-and-fed
ora-workstation-25/

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Re: F25 nautilus problem: Double clicking on .tgz archives will extract them immediatley into the same directory

2016-11-27 Thread bitlord

On Sun, 2016-11-27 at 11:57 +0100, Joachim Backes wrote:
> Hy all F25 users,
> 
> I'm running F25 with gnome/X11 desktop environment, and having
> problems 
> with nautilus: I have some directories where .tgz archives are
> located. 
> Suddenly, clicking on the .tgz files will no more open them and show 
> their contents, but the .tgz file will be immediately unpacked into
> the 
> same dir. How to restore the old behaviour which will only open the 
> archive and not unpack it?
> 
> Any help will be appreciated.
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Joachim Backes


Hi Joachim,

Go to app menu of nautilus (next to the Activities), open Preferences,
select Behavior tab, and there is an option Compressed Files uncheck
"Extract the files on open"
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Re: Fedora 24 -> 25 upgrade smooth and successful (but for one small vpn openconnect issue)

2016-11-27 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan

On Sat, 2016-11-26 at 20:33 -0600, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> > That would be very difficult and not possible anyway, because you will 
> > have mismatched library requirements during the second part.
> 
> I wonder if this would be impossible to implement, completely. After all, we 
> do go through updates just fine, when whole libraries are updated sometimes. 
> It depends on how it is/can be done.

Sounds like more of a rolling release model, similar to Arch. That
would be a big change.

poc
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Re: Nvidia drivers on F25

2016-11-27 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan

On Sun, 2016-11-27 at 10:00 +0100, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> On 27.11.2016, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: 
> 
> > Got it, thanks. Turned out that dnf needed refreshing. It was 3 days
> > old (since I updated to F25). I almost never needed to refresh manually
> > on F24 so I don't know if this is a change or a temporary hiccup.
> 
> FWIW: I have encountered the same thing. "dnf --refresh update" showed no
> new updates. After a "dnf clean all", there were 57 packets waiting..

That's not the same thing. I got the update after refreshing. I didn't
clean anything.

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F25 nautilus problem: Double clicking on .tgz archives will extract them immediatley into the same directory

2016-11-27 Thread Joachim Backes


Hy all F25 users,

I'm running F25 with gnome/X11 desktop environment, and having problems 
with nautilus: I have some directories where .tgz archives are located. 
Suddenly, clicking on the .tgz files will no more open them and show 
their contents, but the .tgz file will be immediately unpacked into the 
same dir. How to restore the old behaviour which will only open the 
archive and not unpack it?


Any help will be appreciated.

Kind regards

Joachim Backes
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Fedora release 25 (Twenty Five)
Kernel-4.8.10-300.fc25.x86_64


Joachim Backes 
http://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes/
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Middle Button Emulation -

I'm having troubled setting middle 
button emulation in a new Fedora25 
Workstation/XFCE installation. first I 
added:


Section "InputClass"
  Identifier "middle button 
emulation class"

  MatchIsPointer "on"
  Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on"
  Driver "evdev"
EndSection

to 
/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf 
as I have done in the past. then my 
notes led me to "xinput" but I can't 
make that work, dunno the right command ...


I find it hard to work without this 
feature, especially when configuring a 
new install so it is one of the first 
things I fix!


What am I doing wrong?

Bob

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