DNF suggestion

[Daniel Ståhl]

Hi,

Would it be possible to make [dnf update] output something immediately after 
being run? And what would be the right course of action to get this feature 
implemented? I know it's probably a miniscule thing, but it's one of those 
small details you notice when shifting over from an apt-based distro. When 
running [apt update] or [apt upgrade] it responds instantly.

I usually run it like [sudo dnf update] and when you mistype your password it 
gives you a wait period, but so does [dnf update]. So in a brief moment you're 
left hanging not knowing whether the password was incorrect or if [dnf] is 
simply updating. I know changing [sudo] to not give a wait period would be a 
lesser crime to some, so therefore I'm wondering if we can change [dnf] instead.

If I'm addressing the wrong list, please advise. Also I'm not very good at C 
languages so I can't just provide a patch unfortunately.

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Re: Installing F26; Question about ks.cfg when raid1 is used

[D]

On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 17:18:53 -0500
dwoody5...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 14:27:07 -0700
> Rick Stevens  wrote:
> 
> > On 08/09/2017 12:08 PM, D wrote:  
> > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 12:00:00 -0700
> > > Rick Stevens  wrote:
> > > 
> > >> On 08/09/2017 11:52 AM, D wrote:
> > >>> When I boot into the install there is an error in the destination
> > >>> section.
> > >>>
> > >>> I looked at the debug info in the storage.log and there was an
> > >>> error about sdb1 did not exist. But...
> > >>>
> > >>> When I reboot to F24 then ...
> > >>>
> > >>> cat /proc/mdstat
> > >>>
> > >>> md126 : active raid1 sda2[2] sdb2[1]
> > >>>   961261568 blocks super 1.2 [2/2] [UU]
> > >>>   bitmap: 2/8 pages [8KB], 65536KB chunk
> > >>>
> > >>> md127 : active raid1 sdb1[1] sda1[2]
> > >>>   15368064 blocks super 1.0 [2/2] [UU]
> > >>>   bitmap: 1/1 pages [4KB], 65536KB chunk
> > >>>
> > >>> The section of ks.cfg for hard drive setup is as follows:
> > >>>
> > >>> ignoredisk --only-use=sda,sdb
> > >>> bootloader --location=mbr --boot-drive=sda
> > >>>
> > >>> # Partition clearing information
> > >>> clearpart --none --initlabel
> > >>>
> > >>> # Disk partitioning information
> > >>>
> > >>> part raid.6 --fstype=mdmember --noformat --onpart=sda1
> > >>> part raid.27 --fstype=mdmember --noformat --onpart=sdb1
> > >>> part raid.14 --fstype=mdmember --noformat --onpart=sda2
> > >>> part raid.32 --fstype=mdmember --noformat --onpart=sdb2
> > >>>
> > >>> raid / --device=root --fstype=ext4 --level=raid1 --useexisting
> > >>> raid /home --device=home --fstype=ext4 --level=raid1 --noformat
> > >>> --useexisting
> > >>>
> > >>> I currently have a raid1 setup with 2 drives sda and sdb
> > >>>
> > >>> Since I am using the option --useexisting do I still need to use the
> > >>> part commands?
> > >>>
> > >>> The last time I did an upgrade was to F24 I have not found anything
> > >>> that says the syntax has changed.
> > >>>
> > >>> Any Ideas?  
> > >>
> > >> Uhm, when you're booting the install, is it possible that the CD/DVD
> > >> you're booting from becomes /dev/sda? If so, then your first hard drive
> > >> is /dev/sdb and the second is /dev/sdc and the
> > >>
> > >>  ignoredisk --only-use=sda,sdb
> > >>
> > >> would block using the second hard drive, since it's /dev/sdc at this
> > >> time. This is just a wild guess.
> > > 
> > > I am booting from an iso file from another computer. As I recall that is
> > > what I did when I installed F24 over F22.
> > 
> > How are you booting an ISO file from another computer? Is this a network
> > kickstart install, where the iso image is located on an NFS or CIFS
> > server?
> > 
> > Whatever it is, can you boot it again without invoking kickstart? If you
> > can, open up a command line window and do "fdisk -l", which should list
> > the disks the system sees. Verify the devices are the ones you think
> > they are. Remember that when you're booting F24 from the hard disk, you
> > are absolutely making /dev/sda the first hard drive. When booting from
> > the network, a CD/DVD or a bootp server, that may NOT be the case and
> > your drive letters may be different, in which the limits in your
> > "ignoredisk" line would prevent finding the second drive.  
> 
> Sorry it took so long to reply, I was out of town on vacation.
> However, I copied the Server iso for F24, F25, F26 to the home directory on a
> second computer. The directory listings is:
> -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 2401239040 Aug 17
> 21:33 /home/Fedora-Server-dvd-x86_64-26-1.5.iso -rw-r--r--. 1 root root
> 2018508800 Aug 19 14:49 /home/Fedora-Server-dvd-x86_64-25-1.3.iso -rw-r--r--.
> 1 root root 1868562432 Aug 19 16:28 /home/Fedora-Server-dvd-x86_64-24-1.2.iso
> 
> The grub.cfg is setup up as:
> 
> menuentry 'Remote Install' {
> load_video
> set gfxpayload=keep
> insmod gzio
> insmod part_msdos
> insmod diskfilter
> insmod mdraid1x
> insmod ext2
> set root='hd0,msdos1'
> echo'Loading Linux'
> # linux16 /boot/vmlinuz-remote acpi=off audit=0 selinux=0
>   inst.repo=nfs:10.10.1.2:/home/Fedora-Server-dvd-x86_64-24-1.2.iso
>   ramdisk_size=8192 panic=30
> linux16 /boot/vmlinuz-remote acpi=off audit=0 selinux=0
>   inst.repo=nfs:10.10.1.2:/home/Fedora-Server-dvd-x86_64-25-1.3.iso
>   ramdisk_size=8192 panic=30
> echo 'Loading initial ramdisk ...'
> initrd16  /boot/initrd-remote.img }
> 
> F24 came up in the installer with no error.
> F25 came up in the installer with an error 'device already in tree'
> F26 came up in the installer with an error 'device already in tree'
> 
> From a F25 install fdisk -l:
> 
> Disk /dev/sda: 931.5 GiB, 1000204886016 bytes, 1953525168 sectors
> Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes
> Disklabel type: dos
> Disk identifier: 0x0009d086
> 
> Device BootStartEndSectors   Size Id Type

Re: Delta RPMs -

[Gordon Messmer]

I don't see a "drpms" directory in the fedora 26 "updates" directory.
It's still present for f25 and f27.  I haven't seen any notices about
that, so it might be a failure.  I'm asking in the #fedora IRC
channel.  I'll file a bug later if needed.
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Re: the fedora csh and goto

[Ed Greshko]

On 08/22/2017 07:36 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> Yes, it should be, but the question is still valid.  You *should* get this 
> response:
>
> $ which goto
> goto: shell built-in command.
>
> If that's not the response you get, the result might be informative.

FWIW, you only get that result if the shell you are running is csh.

egreshko@meimei ~]$ echo $0
/bin/bash

[egreshko@meimei ~]$ which goto
/usr/bin/which: no goto in
(/usr/lib64/qt-3.3/bin:/usr/lib64/ccache:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/home/egreshko/bin)

[egreshko@meimei ~]$ csh
[egreshko@meimei ~]$ echo $0
csh

[egreshko@meimei ~]$ which goto
goto: shell built-in command.


>
> You seem to be scolding/yelling at Patrick, which would be rude. Just a tip: 
> we're
> all here to help each other, and we should all make an effort to be pleasant.


+1


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Re: the fedora csh and goto

[Gordon Messmer]

On 08/21/2017 03:09 PM, JD wrote:

What does "which goto" say?

Dude
goto is a built-in! 



Yes, it should be, but the question is still valid.  You *should* get 
this response:


$ which goto
goto: shell built-in command.

If that's not the response you get, the result might be informative.

You seem to be scolding/yelling at Patrick, which would be rude. Just a 
tip: we're all here to help each other, and we should all make an effort 
to be pleasant.

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Re: Delta RPMs -

[Roger Heflin]

Bob,

When I was under a FAP, I used to do a trick. I would mount
/var/cache/dnf via nfs from my main machine on the others I was
updating and then change /etc/yum.conf (keepcache to 1) and that way
generally the first node would fill the cache, and then the 2nd node
would reuse the data downloaded by the first machine (assuming both
are the same fedora version).  You just have to make sure to do one
and let it finish then after it is done move on to the second.

Roger

On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 10:27 AM, Bob Goodwin  wrote:
> Is dnf no longer using delta rpms? I updated two computers this morning and
> it looks like both were 100% rpms ...
>
> Without that feature I have to be careful not to do large upgrades during
> "prime time"  on my Viasat account as I just did on the second one. :-(
>
> Bob
>
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Re: the fedora csh and goto

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2017-08-21 at 16:09 -0600, JD wrote:
> > What does "which goto" say?
> > 
> > poc
> 
> Dude
> goto is a built-in!

Not in every Shell, which is why I asked. Never mind.

poc
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Re: the fedora csh and goto

[JD]

On 08/21/2017 03:52 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 08/22/2017 05:36 AM, JD wrote:

Cat /tmp/test-csh-goto
#/bin/tcsh
label:
printf "foo"
sleep 1
goto label

$ /tmp/test-csh-goto
foo
/tmp/test-csh-goto[6]: goto: not found [No such file or directory]


Is that what is actually in your file?  ! seems to be missing.

You may want to try with a first line of

#!/bin/csh -f

It is obviously an issue with either your system or your user account.  Try 
another user.

I already replied to Gordon that I am updating to current version.
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Re: the fedora csh and goto

[JD]

On 08/21/2017 03:50 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Mon, 2017-08-21 at 15:30 -0600, JD wrote:

On 08/21/2017 01:16 AM, Michael Welle wrote:

Hallo,

JD  writes:


The manpage for the fedora csh describes the usage of goto,
but it does not work.
Anyone with insight on this?

If you CAN make it work, please provide
a skeleton of the script where the label
is visible and the goto statement is visible :)

what does 'does not work' mean? What have you tried so far? It's
straight forward, I think.

#!/bin/csh

label:
printf "foo"
sleep 1
goto label

Regards
hmw

This is what "Does Not Work" mean:
Running your example:
$ /tmp/test-csh-goto
foo
/tmp/test-csh-goto[21]: goto: not found [No such file or directory]

What does "which goto" say?

poc

Dude
goto is a built-in!
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Re: the fedora csh and goto

[JD]

On 08/21/2017 03:45 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote:

On 08/21/2017 02:30 PM, JD wrote:

This is what "Does Not Work" mean:
Running your example: 



Works here:

$ rpm -qf /bin/csh
tcsh-6.20.00-5.fc26.x86_64


Thanx.
I am updating.
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Re: the fedora csh and goto

[Ed Greshko]

On 08/22/2017 05:36 AM, JD wrote:
> Cat /tmp/test-csh-goto
> #/bin/tcsh
> label:
> printf "foo"
> sleep 1
> goto label
>
> $ /tmp/test-csh-goto
> foo
> /tmp/test-csh-goto[6]: goto: not found [No such file or directory] 


Is that what is actually in your file?  ! seems to be missing.

You may want to try with a first line of

#!/bin/csh -f

It is obviously an issue with either your system or your user account.  Try 
another user.

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Re: the fedora csh and goto

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2017-08-21 at 15:30 -0600, JD wrote:
> 
> On 08/21/2017 01:16 AM, Michael Welle wrote:
> > Hallo,
> > 
> > JD  writes:
> > 
> > > The manpage for the fedora csh describes the usage of goto,
> > > but it does not work.
> > > Anyone with insight on this?
> > > 
> > > If you CAN make it work, please provide
> > > a skeleton of the script where the label
> > > is visible and the goto statement is visible :)
> > 
> > what does 'does not work' mean? What have you tried so far? It's
> > straight forward, I think.
> > 
> > #!/bin/csh
> > 
> > label:
> > printf "foo"
> > sleep 1
> > goto label
> > 
> > Regards
> > hmw
> 
> This is what "Does Not Work" mean:
> Running your example:
> $ /tmp/test-csh-goto
> foo
> /tmp/test-csh-goto[21]: goto: not found [No such file or directory]

What does "which goto" say?

poc
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Re: the fedora csh and goto

[Gordon Messmer]

On 08/21/2017 02:30 PM, JD wrote:

This is what "Does Not Work" mean:
Running your example: 



Works here:

$ rpm -qf /bin/csh
tcsh-6.20.00-5.fc26.x86_64
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Re: the fedora csh and goto

[JD]

On 08/21/2017 02:02 AM, Joachim Backes wrote:

On 08/21/17 09:16, Michael Welle wrote:

Hallo,

JD  writes:


The manpage for the fedora csh describes the usage of goto,
but it does not work.
Anyone with insight on this?

If you CAN make it work, please provide
a skeleton of the script where the label
is visible and the goto statement is visible :)

what does 'does not work' mean? What have you tried so far? It's
straight forward, I think.

#!/bin/csh

label:
printf "foo"
sleep 1
goto label

Regards
hmw
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Runs on my box (x86_64, with tcsh-6.20.00-5.fc26)

Kind regards

Joachim Backes


Hi Joachim

I ran your the script used by Michael Welle, but changes
#!/bin/csh
to
#!/bin/tcsh

and it displayes the same problem:

Cat /tmp/test-csh-goto
#/bin/tcsh
label:
printf "foo"
sleep 1
goto label

$ /tmp/test-csh-goto
foo
/tmp/test-csh-goto[6]: goto: not found [No such file or directory]
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Re: the fedora csh and goto

[JD]

On 08/21/2017 01:16 AM, Michael Welle wrote:

Hallo,

JD  writes:


The manpage for the fedora csh describes the usage of goto,
but it does not work.
Anyone with insight on this?

If you CAN make it work, please provide
a skeleton of the script where the label
is visible and the goto statement is visible :)

what does 'does not work' mean? What have you tried so far? It's
straight forward, I think.

#!/bin/csh

label:
printf "foo"
sleep 1
goto label

Regards
hmw

This is what "Does Not Work" mean:
Running your example:
$ /tmp/test-csh-goto
foo
/tmp/test-csh-goto[21]: goto: not found [No such file or directory]
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Re: problem starting X [resolved]

[stan]

On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 18:41:25 +1000
Eyal Lebedinsky  wrote:

> I took this route, and changed my display manager from GDM to LXDM
> (trivial with system-switch-displaymanager).
> 
> Tested a cold start a few times and it works well.
> 
> Other good things came along for the ride:
> - it offered my username in the login panel (GDM did not because my
> uid is 500, below 1000)
> - after selecting XFCE as the desktop manager it was remembered next
> time

That's great!  If you have the time, it would be good to open a bug
against GDM so they can fix the problem.
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F26: balsa users having trouble sending mail?

[Tony Nelson]

If you use balsa, in Fedora 26 you may have trouble sending mail
(see Bug 1479177 - since upgrade balsa is no longer able to send
emails[1]).

balsa uses libesmtp to send the mail, but libesmtp was accidentally
built without SSL support (fixed in my Bug 1483350 - libesmtp built
w/o SSL support -- compat-openssl10 required[2]).  balsa itself
should also be built for compat-openssl10.

In the past (e.g., F20 that I upgraded from) a mail server with a
self-signed certificate was accepted, but is now rejected with a
useless error message.  I think that a self-signed cert is OK for
submitting email as it is only used to keep the data (and your
password) private (fixed in my Bug 1483649 - balsa no longer accepts
mail server self-signed certificate[3]).

When composing a message, the toolbar Queue button sends immediately
instead of queuing (fixed in my Bug 1483354 - balsa message window
Queue toolbar button sends immediately[4]).

[1]: 
[2]: 
[3]: 
[4]: 

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Re: Usage of PageUp/Page Down Key in gnome-terminal

[Rick Stevens]

On 08/19/2017 01:20 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 14:22:26 +0200, Joachim Backes wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I'm running F26/x86_64 and having the following problem: In earlier 
>> Fedora Versions, I could use PageUP or PageDown key to scroll through 
>> the gnome-terminal output (or I could use the mouse wheel for doing the 
>> same).
> 
> Shift+PgUp/PgDown or mouse-wheel works here.
> Without shift, the keys page up and down through the command history.

Functions identically in xfce4-terminal (mouse wheel or
Shift+PgUp/PgDown scroll display, PgUp/PgDown alone scrolls through
command history).
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Delta RPMs -

[Bob Goodwin]

Is dnf no longer using delta rpms? I updated two computers this morning 
and it looks like both were 100% rpms ...


Without that feature I have to be careful not to do large upgrades 
during "prime time"  on my Viasat account as I just did on the second 
one. :-(


Bob

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Re: problem starting X [resolved]

[Eyal Lebedinsky]

On 21/08/17 01:40, stan wrote:

On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 16:33:35 +1000
Eyal Lebedinsky  wrote:

[snip]

Xorg.0.log  Xorg.1.log
1st  19.310- 35.891  35.764- 35.874
[35.869] (EE) NVIDIA(GPU-0): EVO Push buffer channel
allocation failed 2nd   502.160-516.936 517.023-519.530

It is clear that in the first attempt the second session starts (and
fails) before the first one exits. In the second case there is no
overlap.

Is it possible that the overlap causes the error? Where can I put a
(small) delay to test this proposition and avoid the overlap? Or is
there another way to avoid it?


I think it is the other way around.  You are seeing the overlap because
there is a deadlock somewhere in the first attempt.  The second attempt
resolves the deadlock in some manner, and finishes the initialization.

What happens if you boot to multiuser / virtual console and then run
startx?  I suspect that there will be no issue in that case.  If that's
true, you could try a different greeter / desktop manager to see if
that is the cause of your problem.


Thanks Stan,

I took this route, and changed my display manager from GDM to LXDM
(trivial with system-switch-displaymanager).

Tested a cold start a few times and it works well.

Other good things came along for the ride:
- it offered my username in the login panel (GDM did not because my uid is 500, 
below 1000)
- after selecting XFCE as the desktop manager it was remembered next time

A good result all around.

cheers

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Re: tcp_wrappers deprecation

[Jakub Jelen]

On Fri, 2017-08-18 at 13:15 -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
> For the record, denyhosts currently relies upon the tcp_wrappers
> functionality in openssh to function.  While it's possible to make it
> manipulate the firewall as well, the whole situation is kind of a
> mess.
> (Does it talk to firewalld?  What if you're not running firewalld?)

Unfortunately this is not as straightforward as it could be.
Checking how Archlinux does it now, they probably go without denyhosts.
There is a also a tool sshguard [1], which does quite much the same as
fail2ban using configurable backend (firewalld, iptables, ...). 

The denyhosts got last update also 10 years ago [2] and we already have
quite much 2 alternatives that can do the same using firewalls, so it
might be also a time to go for denyhosts. Or not, but clearly document
that OpenSSH will not be using hosts.deny anymore.

> Sadly I know how terrible tcp_wrappers is and so I know it needs to
> go
> away.  It's just unfortunate that there's no replacement for it
> besides
> firewalling, and dealing with the firewall is unfortunately so
> complicated.
> 
> So that's three of my packages that use tcp_wrappers in some way
> (denyhosts, apcupsd and cyrus-imapd) though I suspect two of those
> just
> need the build dependencies dropped.

That would be great if you could review the dependencies if it is used
and drop the bogus dependencies.

[1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/sshguard
[2] https://sourceforge.net/projects/denyhosts/files/

Thanks,
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Software Engineer
Security Technologies
Red Hat, Inc.
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Re: the fedora csh and goto

[Joachim Backes]

On 08/21/17 09:16, Michael Welle wrote:

Hallo,

JD  writes:


The manpage for the fedora csh describes the usage of goto,
but it does not work.
Anyone with insight on this?

If you CAN make it work, please provide
a skeleton of the script where the label
is visible and the goto statement is visible :)

what does 'does not work' mean? What have you tried so far? It's
straight forward, I think.

#!/bin/csh

label:
printf "foo"
sleep 1
goto label

Regards
hmw
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Runs on my box (x86_64, with tcsh-6.20.00-5.fc26)

Kind regards

Joachim Backes
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Fedora release 26 (Twenty Six)
Kernel-4.12.8-300.fc26.x86_64


Joachim Backes 
https://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes/
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Re: the fedora csh and goto

[Michael Welle]

Hallo,

JD  writes:

> The manpage for the fedora csh describes the usage of goto,
> but it does not work.
> Anyone with insight on this?
>
> If you CAN make it work, please provide
> a skeleton of the script where the label
> is visible and the goto statement is visible :)
what does 'does not work' mean? What have you tried so far? It's
straight forward, I think.

#!/bin/csh

label:
printf "foo"
sleep 1
goto label

Regards
hmw
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