Re: What's up with firefox on f26?
On 08/27/2017 08:52 PM, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: So what is suggested is to not just enable updates-testing, but also enable it only for ff. And I now need to remember to remove it when the issue is sorted out. Is my understanding correct? Almost. You need to add --enablerepo=updates-testing to the command line so that it's enabled for that run of dnf only. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: What's up with firefox on f26?
On 08/28/2017 11:52 AM, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: > At the risk of prolonging this thread beyond the audience's patience... > > So what is suggested is to not just enable updates-testing, but also enable > it only > for ff. And I now need to remember to remove it when the issue is sorted out. > Is my understanding correct? I mean do this from the command line which will only enable it for the one session and only update firefox dnf --enablerepo updates-testing update firefox -- Fedora Users List - The place to go to speculate endlessly signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: What's up with firefox on f26?
On 28/08/17 13:13, Ed Greshko wrote: On 08/28/2017 11:06 AM, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: On 28/08/17 11:14, Ed Greshko wrote: On 08/28/2017 08:59 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 08/28/2017 08:56 AM, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: True, but I do build packages at times. Nevertheless, I can always reinstall the dependencies when needed, so I'll bite now and see how it goes. Still, it is probably a good idea to fix the root cause... Oh, it will be fixedprobably sooner than later. Oh, shoot I just realized (can't keep numbering straight) that the problem you were seeing isn't the same problem that existed earlier last week. You could have enabled the updates-testing repo an installed firefox-55.0.2-3 Sorry about that. Thanks again, I actually think that enabling the updates-testing repo is introducing new risks that I prefer to stay away from. Many years ago I liked to live on the cutting edge, with all that it brings, but these days I can do without the extra "excitement". I am OK to wait for the stable ff package. cheers OK But the only differences between the new releases was to correct the issues with nspr. So, the risk to update on single package is pretty much 0. At the risk of prolonging this thread beyond the audience's patience... So what is suggested is to not just enable updates-testing, but also enable it only for ff. And I now need to remember to remove it when the issue is sorted out. Is my understanding correct? cheers, and thank you Ed for you prompt responses. Eyal * Thu Aug 24 2017 Martin Stransky- 55.0.2-3 - Enable to build with nspr-4.16. * Wed Aug 23 2017 Martin Stransky - 55.0.2-2 - Rebuilt to remove wrong dependency to nspr-4.16. * Fri Aug 18 2017 Martin Stransky - 55.0.2-1 - Updated to 55.0.2 * Mon Aug 14 2017 Jan Horak - 55.0.1-1 - Update to 55.0.1 -- Eyal Lebedinsky (fed...@eyal.emu.id.au) ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: What's up with firefox on f26?
On 08/28/2017 11:06 AM, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: > On 28/08/17 11:14, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 08/28/2017 08:59 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: >>> On 08/28/2017 08:56 AM, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: True, but I do build packages at times. Nevertheless, I can always reinstall the dependencies when needed, so I'll bite now and see how it goes. Still, it is probably a good idea to fix the root cause... >>> >>> Oh, it will be fixedprobably sooner than later. >>> >>> >> Oh, shoot >> >> I just realized (can't keep numbering straight) that the problem you were >> seeing >> isn't the same problem that existed earlier last week. >> >> You could have enabled the updates-testing repo an installed >> firefox-55.0.2-3 >> >> Sorry about that. > > Thanks again, > > I actually think that enabling the updates-testing repo is introducing new > risks > that I prefer to stay away from. Many years ago I liked to live on the > cutting edge, > with all that it brings, but these days I can do without the extra > "excitement". > > I am OK to wait for the stable ff package. > > cheers > OK But the only differences between the new releases was to correct the issues with nspr. So, the risk to update on single package is pretty much 0. * Thu Aug 24 2017 Martin Stransky- 55.0.2-3 - Enable to build with nspr-4.16. * Wed Aug 23 2017 Martin Stransky - 55.0.2-2 - Rebuilt to remove wrong dependency to nspr-4.16. * Fri Aug 18 2017 Martin Stransky - 55.0.2-1 - Updated to 55.0.2 * Mon Aug 14 2017 Jan Horak - 55.0.1-1 - Update to 55.0.1 -- Fedora Users List - The place to go to speculate endlessly signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: What's up with firefox on f26?
On 28/08/17 11:14, Ed Greshko wrote: On 08/28/2017 08:59 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 08/28/2017 08:56 AM, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: True, but I do build packages at times. Nevertheless, I can always reinstall the dependencies when needed, so I'll bite now and see how it goes. Still, it is probably a good idea to fix the root cause... Oh, it will be fixedprobably sooner than later. Oh, shoot I just realized (can't keep numbering straight) that the problem you were seeing isn't the same problem that existed earlier last week. You could have enabled the updates-testing repo an installed firefox-55.0.2-3 Sorry about that. Thanks again, I actually think that enabling the updates-testing repo is introducing new risks that I prefer to stay away from. Many years ago I liked to live on the cutting edge, with all that it brings, but these days I can do without the extra "excitement". I am OK to wait for the stable ff package. cheers -- Eyal Lebedinsky (fed...@eyal.emu.id.au) ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: What's up with firefox on f26?
On 08/28/2017 08:59 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 08/28/2017 08:56 AM, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: >> True, but I do build packages at times. Nevertheless, I can always reinstall >> the >> dependencies when needed, >> so I'll bite now and see how it goes. >> >> Still, it is probably a good idea to fix the root cause... > > Oh, it will be fixedprobably sooner than later. > > Oh, shoot I just realized (can't keep numbering straight) that the problem you were seeing isn't the same problem that existed earlier last week. You could have enabled the updates-testing repo an installed firefox-55.0.2-3 Sorry about that. -- Fedora Users List - The place to go to speculate endlessly signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: What's up with firefox on f26?
On 08/28/2017 08:56 AM, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: > True, but I do build packages at times. Nevertheless, I can always reinstall > the > dependencies when needed, > so I'll bite now and see how it goes. > > Still, it is probably a good idea to fix the root cause... Oh, it will be fixedprobably sooner than later. -- Fedora Users List - The place to go to speculate endlessly signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: What's up with firefox on f26?
On 28/08/17 10:46, Ed Greshko wrote: On 08/28/2017 08:34 AM, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: On 28/08/17 10:11, Ed Greshko wrote: On 08/28/2017 08:03 AM, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: A recent update asked to remove firefox (55.0.1-1.fc26), and when I followed with an install I ended with the old version 54.0-2.fc26 installed. Attempting to upgrade to the latest goes nowhere (see below). I found a redhat bugzilla regarding an unwise decision to force an unnecessary dependency https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1484345 mentioning there is a new package (firefox-55.0.2-3), but it is not showing up. Anyone knows what is going on with this? Firefox is the most 'net facing application here and I need to have the latest version installed. TIA == $ sudo dnf update firefox Last metadata expiration check: 0:04:37 ago on Mon Aug 28 09:49:01 2017. Dependencies resolved. Problem: problem with installed package nspr-devel-4.16.0-1.fc26.x86_64 - package firefox-55.0.2-2.fc26.x86_64 conflicts with pkgconfig(nspr) >= 4.16 provided by nspr-devel-4.16.0-1.fc26.x86_64 - cannot install the best update candidate for package firefox-54.0-2.fc26.x86_64 == Package Arch Version Repository Size == Skipping packages with conflicts: (add '--best --allowerasing' to command line to force their upgrade): firefox x86_64 55.0.2-2.fc26 updates 82 M nspr-devel x86_64 4.16.0-1.fc26 updates 119 k Transaction Summary == Skip 2 Packages Nothing to do. Complete! If you don't need it, or can do without it for a while, do a "dnf erase nspr-devel" and then update firefox. [egreshko@acer ~]$ rpm -q firefox firefox-55.0.2-2.fc26.x86_64 [egreshko@acer ~]$ rpm -q nspr-devel package nspr-devel is not installed Thanks. Tried this already but was not confident that it was safe to do: $ sudo dnf erase nspr-devel Dependencies resolved. === Package Arch Version Repository Size === Removing: nspr-devel x86_64 4.16.0-1.fc26 @updates 446 k Removing depended packages: evolution-data-server-devel i686 3.24.5-1.fc26 @@commandline 4.8 M evolution-data-server-devel x86_64 3.24.5-1.fc26 @@commandline 4.8 M libgdata-devel x86_64 0.17.8-1.fc26 @@commandline 8.1 M liboauth-devel x86_64 1.0.3-6.fc26 @@commandline 42 k nss-devel x86_64 3.32.0-1.1.fc26 @updates 813 k nss-softokn-devel x86_64 3.32.0-1.2.fc26 @updates 11 k nss-util-devel x86_64 3.32.0-1.0.fc26 @updates 259 k xulrunner-devel x86_64 44.0-9.fc26 @@commandline 54 M Removing unused dependencies: webkitgtk4-devel x86_64 2.16.6-1.fc26 @@commandline 2.7 M webkitgtk4-jsc-devel x86_64 2.16.6-1.fc26 @@commandline 327 k Transaction Summary === Remove 3 Packages Freed space: 77 M Is this ok [y/N]: n Operation aborted. The *-devel packages are "development" packages that are use if you're building or recompiling source. Most people never need these. Removing them will not cause anything to break. Just won't be able to build some packages on your own. True, but I do build packages at times. Nevertheless, I can always reinstall the dependencies when needed, so I'll bite now and see how it goes. Still, it is probably a good idea to fix the root cause... cheers -- Eyal Lebedinsky (fed...@eyal.emu.id.au) ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: What's up with firefox on f26?
On 08/28/2017 08:34 AM, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: > On 28/08/17 10:11, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 08/28/2017 08:03 AM, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: >>> A recent update asked to remove firefox (55.0.1-1.fc26), and when I >>> followed with >>> an install >>> I ended with the old version 54.0-2.fc26 installed. >>> >>> Attempting to upgrade to the latest goes nowhere (see below). >>> I found a redhat bugzilla regarding an unwise decision to force an >>> unnecessary >>> dependency >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1484345 >>> mentioning there is a new package (firefox-55.0.2-3), but it is not showing >>> up. >>> >>> Anyone knows what is going on with this? >>> Firefox is the most 'net facing application here and I need to have the >>> latest >>> version installed. >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> == >>> $ sudo dnf update firefox >>> Last metadata expiration check: 0:04:37 ago on Mon Aug 28 09:49:01 2017. >>> Dependencies resolved. >>> >>> Problem: problem with installed package nspr-devel-4.16.0-1.fc26.x86_64 >>> - package firefox-55.0.2-2.fc26.x86_64 conflicts with pkgconfig(nspr) >= >>> 4.16 >>> provided by nspr-devel-4.16.0-1.fc26.x86_64 >>> - cannot install the best update candidate for package >>> firefox-54.0-2.fc26.x86_64 >>> == >>> >>> >>> Package Arch Version >>> Repository Size >>> == >>> >>> >>> Skipping packages with conflicts: >>> (add '--best --allowerasing' to command line to force their upgrade): >>> firefox x86_64 55.0.2-2.fc26 >>> updates 82 M >>> nspr-devel x86_64 4.16.0-1.fc26 >>> updates 119 k >>> >>> Transaction Summary >>> == >>> >>> >>> Skip 2 Packages >>> >>> Nothing to do. >>> Complete! >>> >> >> If you don't need it, or can do without it for a while, do a "dnf erase >> nspr-devel" >> and then update firefox. >> >> [egreshko@acer ~]$ rpm -q firefox >> firefox-55.0.2-2.fc26.x86_64 >> [egreshko@acer ~]$ rpm -q nspr-devel >> package nspr-devel is not installed > > Thanks. Tried this already but was not confident that it was safe to do: > > $ sudo dnf erase nspr-devel > Dependencies resolved. > === > > Package > Arch > Version > Repository Size > === > > Removing: > nspr-devel > x86_64 > 4.16.0-1.fc26 > @updates 446 k > Removing depended packages: > evolution-data-server-devel > i686 > 3.24.5-1.fc26 > @@commandline 4.8 M > evolution-data-server-devel > x86_64 > 3.24.5-1.fc26 > @@commandline 4.8 M > libgdata-devel > x86_64 > 0.17.8-1.fc26 > @@commandline 8.1 M > liboauth-devel > x86_64 > 1.0.3-6.fc26 > @@commandline 42 k > nss-devel > x86_64 > 3.32.0-1.1.fc26 > @updates 813 k > nss-softokn-devel > x86_64 > 3.32.0-1.2.fc26 > @updates 11 k > nss-util-devel > x86_64 > 3.32.0-1.0.fc26 > @updates 259 k > xulrunner-devel
Re: What's up with firefox on f26?
On 28/08/17 10:11, Ed Greshko wrote: On 08/28/2017 08:03 AM, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: A recent update asked to remove firefox (55.0.1-1.fc26), and when I followed with an install I ended with the old version 54.0-2.fc26 installed. Attempting to upgrade to the latest goes nowhere (see below). I found a redhat bugzilla regarding an unwise decision to force an unnecessary dependency https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1484345 mentioning there is a new package (firefox-55.0.2-3), but it is not showing up. Anyone knows what is going on with this? Firefox is the most 'net facing application here and I need to have the latest version installed. TIA == $ sudo dnf update firefox Last metadata expiration check: 0:04:37 ago on Mon Aug 28 09:49:01 2017. Dependencies resolved. Problem: problem with installed package nspr-devel-4.16.0-1.fc26.x86_64 - package firefox-55.0.2-2.fc26.x86_64 conflicts with pkgconfig(nspr) >= 4.16 provided by nspr-devel-4.16.0-1.fc26.x86_64 - cannot install the best update candidate for package firefox-54.0-2.fc26.x86_64 == Package Arch Version Repository Size == Skipping packages with conflicts: (add '--best --allowerasing' to command line to force their upgrade): firefox x86_64 55.0.2-2.fc26 updates 82 M nspr-devel x86_64 4.16.0-1.fc26 updates 119 k Transaction Summary == Skip 2 Packages Nothing to do. Complete! If you don't need it, or can do without it for a while, do a "dnf erase nspr-devel" and then update firefox. [egreshko@acer ~]$ rpm -q firefox firefox-55.0.2-2.fc26.x86_64 [egreshko@acer ~]$ rpm -q nspr-devel package nspr-devel is not installed Thanks. Tried this already but was not confident that it was safe to do: $ sudo dnf erase nspr-devel Dependencies resolved. === Package Arch Version Repository Size === Removing: nspr-develx86_64 4.16.0-1.fc26 @updates446 k Removing depended packages: evolution-data-server-devel i686 3.24.5-1.fc26 @@commandline 4.8 M evolution-data-server-devel x86_64 3.24.5-1.fc26 @@commandline 4.8 M libgdata-develx86_64 0.17.8-1.fc26 @@commandline 8.1 M liboauth-develx86_64 1.0.3-6.fc26 @@commandline42 k nss-devel x86_64 3.32.0-1.1.fc26 @updates813 k nss-softokn-devel x86_64 3.32.0-1.2.fc26 @updates 11 k nss-util-develx86_64 3.32.0-1.0.fc26 @updates259 k xulrunner-devel x86_64 44.0-9.fc26 @@commandline54 M Removing unused dependencies: webkitgtk4-devel x86_64 2.16.6-1.fc26
Re: What's up with firefox on f26?
On 08/28/2017 08:03 AM, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: > A recent update asked to remove firefox (55.0.1-1.fc26), and when I followed > with > an install > I ended with the old version 54.0-2.fc26 installed. > > Attempting to upgrade to the latest goes nowhere (see below). > I found a redhat bugzilla regarding an unwise decision to force an unnecessary > dependency > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1484345 > mentioning there is a new package (firefox-55.0.2-3), but it is not showing > up. > > Anyone knows what is going on with this? > Firefox is the most 'net facing application here and I need to have the latest > version installed. > > TIA > > == > $ sudo dnf update firefox > Last metadata expiration check: 0:04:37 ago on Mon Aug 28 09:49:01 2017. > Dependencies resolved. > > Problem: problem with installed package nspr-devel-4.16.0-1.fc26.x86_64 > - package firefox-55.0.2-2.fc26.x86_64 conflicts with pkgconfig(nspr) >= > 4.16 > provided by nspr-devel-4.16.0-1.fc26.x86_64 > - cannot install the best update candidate for package > firefox-54.0-2.fc26.x86_64 > == > > Package Arch Version > > Repository Size > == > > Skipping packages with conflicts: > (add '--best --allowerasing' to command line to force their upgrade): > firefox x86_64 55.0.2-2.fc26 > > updates 82 M > nspr-devel x86_64 4.16.0-1.fc26 > > updates 119 k > > Transaction Summary > == > > Skip 2 Packages > > Nothing to do. > Complete! > If you don't need it, or can do without it for a while, do a "dnf erase nspr-devel" and then update firefox. [egreshko@acer ~]$ rpm -q firefox firefox-55.0.2-2.fc26.x86_64 [egreshko@acer ~]$ rpm -q nspr-devel package nspr-devel is not installed -- Fedora Users List - The place to go to speculate endlessly signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
What's up with firefox on f26?
A recent update asked to remove firefox (55.0.1-1.fc26), and when I followed with an install I ended with the old version 54.0-2.fc26 installed. Attempting to upgrade to the latest goes nowhere (see below). I found a redhat bugzilla regarding an unwise decision to force an unnecessary dependency https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1484345 mentioning there is a new package (firefox-55.0.2-3), but it is not showing up. Anyone knows what is going on with this? Firefox is the most 'net facing application here and I need to have the latest version installed. TIA == $ sudo dnf update firefox Last metadata expiration check: 0:04:37 ago on Mon Aug 28 09:49:01 2017. Dependencies resolved. Problem: problem with installed package nspr-devel-4.16.0-1.fc26.x86_64 - package firefox-55.0.2-2.fc26.x86_64 conflicts with pkgconfig(nspr) >= 4.16 provided by nspr-devel-4.16.0-1.fc26.x86_64 - cannot install the best update candidate for package firefox-54.0-2.fc26.x86_64 == Package Arch Version Repository Size == Skipping packages with conflicts: (add '--best --allowerasing' to command line to force their upgrade): firefox x86_6455.0.2-2.fc26 updates 82 M nspr-develx86_644.16.0-1.fc26 updates119 k Transaction Summary == Skip 2 Packages Nothing to do. Complete! -- Eyal Lebedinsky (fed...@eyal.emu.id.au) ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf upgrade to F26
In my case the system I tried to update is a laptop and I don't have an external monitor attached. Paolo On 08/26/2017 10:52 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 08/27/2017 12:54 PM, jarmo wrote: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 17:32:40 -0700 Paolo Galtierikirjoitti: and here is where things went weird, there was no output at all on the monitor. The disk light was flashing, so something was going on, but nothing showed up on the monitor. After a while the disk light I have had this. Found, tha If I use HDMI, I don't see any output in monitor. Second time, I took VGA cable, connected that into monitor and got output ok. First time I just waited and dnf rebooted automatically and my HDMI connected monitor played well again. FWIW, my main monitor is connected via HDMI. My secondary monitor is connected via Display Port. During the upgrade from F25 to F26 (and prior upgrades) I always got the progress output to my HDMI connected monitor. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F26 guest in qemu/kvm and 4.12.8-300 kernel
On 08/26/2017 06:33 PM, Jon Ingason wrote: > Den 2017-08-26 kl. 02:50, skrev Ed Greshko: >> On 08/26/2017 08:44 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: >>> Has anyone tried running a F26 guest in qemu/kvm with the latest 4.12.8-300 >>> kernel? >>> >>> When it comes to GNOME I can only boot to multi-user mode, not graphical, >>> by removing >>> rhgb from the boot parameters. If I attempt to boot to graphical mode it >>> hangs at >>> "Started user manager for UID 42" with UID 42 belonging to gdm. If I boot >>> to >>> multi-user mode and then login and use "startx" I am presented with a black >>> screen >>> and maybe the "Activities" indicator in the upper left. >>> >>> When it comes to KDE, which is configured for sddm, it will boot to >>> graphical mode if >>> I remove "rhgb quiet" from the boot parameters. However, the screen cannot >>> be >>> resized and issuing a "xrandr --output Virtual-0 --auto" is not effective >>> and may >>> result an apparent hang or a display which goes wonky in that it seems it >>> thinks it >>> is resizedbut it isn't and the mouse isn't where it thinks it is. >>> >>> Any similar experiences? >>> >>> >> Just to clarify a bit. I'm talking about the guest running the latest >> kernel. My >> host is running the latest. I installed F26 guest and it worked fine with >> the >> initial kernel-4.11.11-300 but the above is what I'm seeing with the >> 4.12.8-300 >> kernel in the guest. >> > Yes, I got precise this problem with kernel 4.12.4-300 and 4.12.8-300 > for Gnome Workstation VM under KVM/qemu. I am running Fedroa 25 updated > yesterday (Friday 25th August 2017). FYI, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1485743 has been submitted. -- Fedora Users List - The place to go to speculate endlessly signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: several issues with F25
On 16 August 2017 at 05:48, Paolo Galtieriwrote: > lid being closed. When I run gnome-tweak-tool and indicates the system > should suspend on lid closed. I have attached the png image of the > gnome-tweak-tool screen. GNOME tweak tool isn't designed for MATE. > Issue 2: Back in the F24 days and even prior to that I filed a bug > (1389019) which states that when I boot my laptop on battery and login the > power status applet is not displayed in the MATE top menu bar. It does show > up when I plug the AC cord in. This problem has now gotten worse. The > power applet is no longer displayed regardless of what I try. I have had to > re-open this bug since it was without it ever being fixed. I wrote gnome-power-manager a long time ago, and then a old dead branch was forked into mate-power-manager -- my code was incorporated into gnome-settings-daemon and improved upon and further pushed down into the stack. I don't think there is anyone who cares about the long-obsolete mate power management stuff. Basically, MATE is a mostly a fork of old GNOME components, and the developers who wrote the 99% code shipping with MATE are either not working on Linux any more or are working on GNOME. I think over time MATE is going to become harder and harder to maintain. Sorry to be blunt. Richard ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org