Re: H.264 video broken after updating to Fedora 28

[Todd Zullinger]

stan wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 23:23:28 -0400
> Sam Varshavchik  wrote:
> 
>>> To Todd's point, I noticed in my updates today that rpmfusion had
>>> ffmpeg updates, so that might solve your problem.  
>> 
>> Yes, that seems to be one way to get there.
>> 
>> I already had rpmfusion, and this us where I had full HTML5 support
>> from, including H.264, up to F27. But I did not have
>> rpmfusion-rawhide enabled, and I lost H.264 after updating to F28.
>> 
>> If you say that you were only on Fedora rawhide, but not rpmfusion
>> rawhide, and you still have H.264 without compat-ffmpeg28 from
>> rpmfusion rawhide, it would be useful to compare notes, to figure out
>> where you're getting H.264 from, in F28.
>> 
> No, I have
> Name: compat-ffmpeg28
> Version : 2.8.14
> Release : 1.fc28
> Architecture: x86_64
> Install Date: Thu 15 Mar 2018 03:05:26 PM MST
> 
> installed.  And I've had rpmfusion-rawhide enabled the whole time, so
> that is probably why it is working.  I don't have the cisco repo
> enabled, though.
> 
> These,
> rpmfusion-free-release-28-1.noarch
> rpmfusion-nonfree-release-28-1.noarch
> installed today, so rpmfusion now has an F28 repository.  You should be
> able to install the compat-ffmpeg28 from there.

Except that you can't at the moment.  :)

That's what I was saying in my reply to Sam.  The
compat-ffmpeg28 package is not in the rpmfusion-free
repositories for f28.  This is most likely just a matter of
things needing to be synced from what was in the
rpmfusion-free-rawhide repo.

The repositories from the rpmfusion-free-release are:

https://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/releases/28/Everything/x86_64/os/
https://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/updates/28/x86_64/
https://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/updates/testing/28/x86_64/

At the moment, compat-ffmpeg28 is not present in any of
those repositories.

I mentioned it in IRC to one of the rpmfusion folks and Sam
filed a ticket in the rpmfusion bugzilla.  Odds are good
they're already working on it and will resolve it before f28
is released on Tuesday.

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Re: Sudo but no su -

[Chris Murphy]

For what it's worth, systemd emergency/rescue target only accept a root
login. Apparently it's complicated getting it to use a user in wheel.

Anyway I add two boot parameters as a workaround rather than permanently
enabling root.

1 systemd.debug-shell=1

tty9 will have a root shell, no password. So obviously don't add this to
grub.cfg do it as a one shot edit at the grub menu.

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Re: Plymouth splash screen -

[Chris Murphy]

Is tribar installed? The plymouth set-default does nothing if the theme
isn't installed.

Anyone know what the plymouth initrd on /boot is for?

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Re: boot menu does not see Windows after Fedora 27 Install

[Chris Murphy]

I'm

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 11:26 AM Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 04/26/2018 08:22 AM, PropAAS DBA wrote:
> > I believe it is an EFI system see the blkid output below:
>
> It looks like a mixed system.
>
> > root@localhost ~]# blkid
> > /dev/sda1: UUID="f9c9741c-c5c8-4a41-9f5a-0f4f7dba9169" TYPE="ext4"
> > PARTUUID="2466866a-01"
> > /dev/sda2: UUID="8cfbcbef-9760-40af-b1ae-3223593ce625" TYPE="swap"
> > PARTUUID="2466866a-02"
> > /dev/sdb1: UUID="3666D7D766D79649" TYPE="ntfs" PARTUUID="34600b74-01"
> > /dev/sdb2: UUID="D600697A0069630B" TYPE="ntfs" PARTUUID="34600b74-02"
> > /dev/sdc1: LABEL="Games" UUID="00021CF2021CEF02" TYPE="ntfs"
> > PARTUUID="8f4e-01"
>
> Your windows partitions are all on msdos partitioned drives with no EFI
> partition.  This means that Windows is not set up for EFI boot.
>
> > /dev/sdd1: SEC_TYPE="msdos" UUID="96F2-9316" TYPE="vfat" PARTLABEL="EFI
> > System Partition" PARTUUID="e3178d52-6030-4ee6-9bfa-e57852bc0ac0"
> > /dev/sdd2: UUID="3a26080f-c080-4065-b1aa-2446ad953ff7" TYPE="ext4"
> > PARTUUID="66462a70-6f12-4a86-8d35-053cf44c5b95"
> > /dev/sdd3: UUID="DF6NVW-cRSv-Bol5-zF3C-2ber-md8q-2PfOCL"
> > TYPE="LVM2_member" PARTUUID="692cdbd9-9fde-45ae-94e8-75734c8760ed"
>
> However, you installed Fedora in EFI mode on a GPT formatted drive.
> This means that the installer would not see the Windows installation.
> Unless you reinstall either Fedora or Windows in the other mode, you
> will have to use the BIOS boot menu to choose them at boot.




Yep. And depending on the firmware, good chance it means toggling "Legacy
enable/disable " (or sometimes UEFI enabled/disabled) everytime he wants to
switch OS's.

Some firmware have an NVRAM option for this. 'efibootmgr -v' will reveal it
if supported, and the way to use it is with '--bootnext ' flag. It's a
one time boot.


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Re: H.264 video broken after updating to Fedora 28

[stan]

On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 23:23:28 -0400
Sam Varshavchik  wrote:

> > To Todd's point, I noticed in my updates today that rpmfusion had
> > ffmpeg updates, so that might solve your problem.  
> 
> Yes, that seems to be one way to get there.
> 
> I already had rpmfusion, and this us where I had full HTML5 support
> from, including H.264, up to F27. But I did not have
> rpmfusion-rawhide enabled, and I lost H.264 after updating to F28.
> 
> If you say that you were only on Fedora rawhide, but not rpmfusion
> rawhide, and you still have H.264 without compat-ffmpeg28 from
> rpmfusion rawhide, it would be useful to compare notes, to figure out
> where you're getting H.264 from, in F28.
> 
No, I have
Name: compat-ffmpeg28
Version : 2.8.14
Release : 1.fc28
Architecture: x86_64
Install Date: Thu 15 Mar 2018 03:05:26 PM MST

installed.  And I've had rpmfusion-rawhide enabled the whole time, so
that is probably why it is working.  I don't have the cisco repo
enabled, though.

These,
rpmfusion-free-release-28-1.noarch
rpmfusion-nonfree-release-28-1.noarch
installed today, so rpmfusion now has an F28 repository.  You should be
able to install the compat-ffmpeg28 from there.
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Re: Sudo but no su -

[Ed Greshko]

On 04/27/18 11:15, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 04/26/2018 05:44 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> FWIW, I never have the need to login as root from the graphical interface.  
>> But I do,
>> at times, have the need to issue a series of commands from the command line 
>> as root.
>> In those cases sudo is cumbersome.  So, I will use "su -".   So, no matter 
>> what the
>> default is I will be giving root a pw.  :-) :-)
>
> I have mentioned the "sudo -i" command several times in this thread, but I'm
> wondering if it's not clear what that does.  It asks for your user password 
> and
> gives you a full root shell.  You don't need to type "sudo" for every command 
> and
> no need for a root password.  "su -" and "sudo -i" have the same result, but 
> the
> first one asks for the root password and the second one asks for your user 
> password.
>

I'll confess to not having read the entire thread.  My "defense" is that I just
returned from a long trip. 

Thanks for the tip of "-i".  Sometimes habits make you blind to other methods.

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Re: H.264 video broken after updating to Fedora 28

[Samuel Sieb]

On 04/26/2018 08:23 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
If you enter "about:addons", then click on the "plugins" section, there 
is probably a disabled openh264 plugin.  Try enabling it.  Do you have 
the gstreamer plugins from rpmfusion installed?  On F27, I have h264 
support without openh264, so I wonder what provides it there.


Sorry, I don't know why I replied without reading the rest of the thread...
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Re: H.264 video broken after updating to Fedora 28

[Sam Varshavchik]

stan writes:


On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 22:38:16 -0400
Sam Varshavchik  wrote:

> If you go to https://www.youtube.com/html5 does it tell you that
> your browser has H.264 support?
>
> Fedora 27 Firefox does. Fedora 28 Firefox does not.

Yes, it does.  I thought of a reason why this might be true.  I had
been running a version of rawhide that was updated for many releases,
and decided to stop at F28.  I probably carried over into F28 from those
earlier releases whatever is causing your problem, especially if yours
was a new install.


When you say rawhide, are you referring to Fedora rawhide, or rpmfusion  
rawhide.




To Todd's point, I noticed in my updates today that rpmfusion had ffmpeg
updates, so that might solve your problem.


Yes, that seems to be one way to get there.

I already had rpmfusion, and this us where I had full HTML5 support from,  
including H.264, up to F27. But I did not have rpmfusion-rawhide enabled,  
and I lost H.264 after updating to F28.


If you say that you were only on Fedora rawhide, but not rpmfusion rawhide,  
and you still have H.264 without compat-ffmpeg28 from rpmfusion rawhide, it  
would be useful to compare notes, to figure out where you're getting H.264  
from, in F28.




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Re: H.264 video broken after updating to Fedora 28

[Samuel Sieb]

On 04/26/2018 06:41 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
After upgrading to Fedora 28, most of Youtube is broken in Firefox, 
claiming lack of H.264 codec support.


Googling around, found this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenH264

But none of the packages are currently available:

[root@thinkpad yum.repos.d]# dnf config-manager --set-enabled 
fedora-cisco-openh264
[root@thinkpad yum.repos.d]# dnf install gstreamer1-plugin-openh264 
mozilla-openh264
Last metadata expiration check: 0:00:00 ago on Thu 26 Apr 2018 09:40:47 
PM EDT.

No match for argument: gstreamer1-plugin-openh264
No match for argument: mozilla-openh264
Error: Unable to find a match


If you enter "about:addons", then click on the "plugins" section, there 
is probably a disabled openh264 plugin.  Try enabling it.  Do you have 
the gstreamer plugins from rpmfusion installed?  On F27, I have h264 
support without openh264, so I wonder what provides it there.

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Re: H.264 video broken after updating to Fedora 28

[Sam Varshavchik]

Todd Zullinger writes:


Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> After upgrading to Fedora 28, most of Youtube is broken in Firefox,  
claiming

> lack of H.264 codec support.
>
> Googling around, found this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenH264

I think that H.264 implementation is somewhat limited (and
stale, in addition to not having anything in the f28 repo),
based on some comments in #fedora IRC.


Yeah, but without it, the first video I hit on Youtube after upgrading to  
F28 wouldn't play, and barked at me for lacking H.264 support. The video was  
2 hours old when I tried it. I now went back to it, some time later, and it  
played that time. So, Youtube is transcoding content to webm, apparently,  
but new content won't play until that happens.


I really have to get this working, before I upgrade Mrs. Sam's laptop to  
F28, or I'll catch hell for it. She watches Youtube a lot.



For Firefox, ffmpeg-libs and compat-ffmpeg28 were what I
needed in f28.  At the moment, the compat-ffmpeg28 package
is still in the rpmfusion-free-rawhide repo though, so you
have to do a little juggling to install things.  Here's what
I did in a test VM just now:

$ sudo dnf install ffmpeg-libs
$ sudo dnf install rpmfusion-free-release-rawhide
$ sudo dnf --enablerepo rpmfusion-free-rawhide install compat-ffmpeg28


Yeah, I also Googled up a reference to compat-ffmpeg28:

https://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?317721

But that one didn't say anything about rpmfusion-free-rawhide. I had  
everything except compat-ffmpeg28 already inherited from F27, where  
everything worked. That link didn't pan out because, as you say, compat- 
ffmpeg28 is not in the main rpmfusion repo.


Installing it now, from rawhide, finally results in a clean bill of health  
from https://www.youtube.com/html5



Hopefully this will be cleared up by the rpmfusion folks in
the next few days, before F28 is released.  If it hasn't
been reported to them, it would be great if someone can do
that.


Did a quick search of their Bugzilla. Didn't find anything. Created a bug  
against compat-ffmpeg28, seemed the best candidate for the bug, since it's  
that package that needs to be moved out of rawhide.


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Re: Sudo but no su -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 04/26/2018 05:44 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

FWIW, I never have the need to login as root from the graphical interface.  But 
I do,
at times, have the need to issue a series of commands from the command line as 
root.
In those cases sudo is cumbersome.  So, I will use "su -".   So, no matter what 
the
default is I will be giving root a pw.  :-) :-)


I have mentioned the "sudo -i" command several times in this thread, but 
I'm wondering if it's not clear what that does.  It asks for your user 
password and gives you a full root shell.  You don't need to type "sudo" 
for every command and no need for a root password.  "su -" and "sudo -i" 
have the same result, but the first one asks for the root password and 
the second one asks for your user password.

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Re: Sudo but no su -

[Dave Stevens]

On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 18:56:22 -0700
Rick Stevens  wrote:

> and utterly awesome and loveable) self.

what?? what???

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usual solution to the so-called war between good and evil. My books are
not conceived in terms of such a war, and offer no simple answers to
simplistic questions.

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Re: H.264 video broken after updating to Fedora 28

[stan]

On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 22:38:16 -0400
Sam Varshavchik  wrote:

> If you go to https://www.youtube.com/html5 does it tell you that
> your browser has H.264 support?
> 
> Fedora 27 Firefox does. Fedora 28 Firefox does not.

Yes, it does.  I thought of a reason why this might be true.  I had
been running a version of rawhide that was updated for many releases,
and decided to stop at F28.  I probably carried over into F28 from those
earlier releases whatever is causing your problem, especially if yours
was a new install.

To Todd's point, I noticed in my updates today that rpmfusion had ffmpeg
updates, so that might solve your problem.
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Re: H.264 video broken after updating to Fedora 28

[Sam Varshavchik]

stan writes:


On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 21:41:46 -0400
Sam Varshavchik  wrote:

> After upgrading to Fedora 28, most of Youtube is broken in Firefox,
> claiming lack of H.264 codec support.
>
> Googling around, found this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenH264
>
> But none of the packages are currently available:
>
> [root@thinkpad yum.repos.d]# dnf config-manager --set-enabled
> fedora-cisco-openh264 [root@thinkpad yum.repos.d]# dnf install
> gstreamer1-plugin-openh264 mozilla-openh264 Last metadata expiration
> check: 0:00:00 ago on Thu 26 Apr 2018 09:40:47 PM EDT.
> No match for argument: gstreamer1-plugin-openh264
> No match for argument: mozilla-openh264
> Error: Unable to find a match
>
> Meanwhile, back on Fedora 27, H.264 video works fine in Firefox,
> without any of this.

I'm running F28 and haven't had any problem playing videos for the weeks
I have been. I just went to youtube and had no problem watching a video
with both the Fedora firefox and nightly. Is there a specific way to
make sure that a video is H264 (mp4) instead of webm (most of youtube)?
Can you maybe point me to a video that has the problem so I can try
playing it?


If you go to https://www.youtube.com/html5 does it tell you that your  
browser has H.264 support?


Fedora 27 Firefox does. Fedora 28 Firefox does not.



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Re: H.264 video broken after updating to Fedora 28

[Todd Zullinger]

Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> After upgrading to Fedora 28, most of Youtube is broken in Firefox, claiming
> lack of H.264 codec support.
> 
> Googling around, found this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenH264

I think that H.264 implementation is somewhat limited (and
stale, in addition to not having anything in the f28 repo),
based on some comments in #fedora IRC.

For Firefox, ffmpeg-libs and compat-ffmpeg28 were what I
needed in f28.  At the moment, the compat-ffmpeg28 package
is still in the rpmfusion-free-rawhide repo though, so you
have to do a little juggling to install things.  Here's what
I did in a test VM just now:

$ sudo dnf install ffmpeg-libs
$ sudo dnf install rpmfusion-free-release-rawhide
$ sudo dnf --enablerepo rpmfusion-free-rawhide install compat-ffmpeg28

I didn't do this all in one step as installing ffmpeg-libs
with rpmfusion-free-rawhide enabled would pull in a number
of f29 packages that are better to avoid.

Hopefully this will be cleared up by the rpmfusion folks in
the next few days, before F28 is released.  If it hasn't
been reported to them, it would be great if someone can do
that.

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Re: H.264 video broken after updating to Fedora 28

[stan]

On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 21:41:46 -0400
Sam Varshavchik  wrote:

> After upgrading to Fedora 28, most of Youtube is broken in Firefox,
> claiming lack of H.264 codec support.
> 
> Googling around, found this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenH264
> 
> But none of the packages are currently available:
> 
> [root@thinkpad yum.repos.d]# dnf config-manager --set-enabled
> fedora-cisco-openh264 [root@thinkpad yum.repos.d]# dnf install
> gstreamer1-plugin-openh264 mozilla-openh264 Last metadata expiration
> check: 0:00:00 ago on Thu 26 Apr 2018 09:40:47 PM EDT.
> No match for argument: gstreamer1-plugin-openh264
> No match for argument: mozilla-openh264
> Error: Unable to find a match
> 
> Meanwhile, back on Fedora 27, H.264 video works fine in Firefox,
> without any of this.

I'm running F28 and haven't had any problem playing videos for the weeks
I have been. I just went to youtube and had no problem watching a video
with both the Fedora firefox and nightly. Is there a specific way to
make sure that a video is H264 (mp4) instead of webm (most of youtube)?
Can you maybe point me to a video that has the problem so I can try
playing it?

It appears there might be something in your configuration causing a
problem.
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Re: Sudo but no su -

[Rick Stevens]

On 04/26/2018 05:44 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 04/27/18 08:29, Rick Stevens wrote:
>> On 04/26/2018 12:54 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>>> On 04/26/2018 12:14 PM, stan wrote:
 On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 11:05:28 -0700
 Samuel Sieb  wrote:
> I think the majority opinion now is that logging in as the root user
> is discouraged.  In almost all cases sudo is sufficient and if you
> need to do root things for a while, just use "sudo -i".  For remote
> access as root, use keys.
 I guess I hold the minority opinion, but that's OK.  Linux is all about
 choice, and the more the better.
>>> I'm curious what you find you need to use a root login for.  I used to
>>> use that all the time, but gradually I switched over and on my desktop
>>> system, it is extremely rare that I use it.  (I think only when the
>>> graphical display is messed up and I have to switch to a console to fix
>>> it.)  The places I do use a root login are for remote admin, either
>>> servers or remote laptops and computer that I administer.  And in almost
>>> all cases, the root account is accessed using ssh with keys, no passwords.
>> You need to be root to install software (e.g. dnf), start processes that
>> use network ports <= 1024, manage disks, mount remote filesystems and
>> many, many other things an active sysadmin has to do.
> 
> Sam did say "root login".  Yes you need to be running a process "as root" 
> which sudo
> provides but you need not "login" as root to do what you've mentioned.
> 
> FWIW, I never have the need to login as root from the graphical interface.  
> But I do,
> at times, have the need to issue a series of commands from the command line 
> as root. 
> In those cases sudo is cumbersome.  So, I will use "su -".   So, no matter 
> what the
> default is I will be giving root a pw.  :-) :-)

Yup, as do I. I typically have at least one terminal open on my desktop
that's used for CLI-based stuff--either root (via "su -") or as my
mortal (and utterly awesome and loveable) self. ;)
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H.264 video broken after updating to Fedora 28

[Sam Varshavchik]

After upgrading to Fedora 28, most of Youtube is broken in Firefox, claiming  
lack of H.264 codec support.


Googling around, found this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenH264

But none of the packages are currently available:

[root@thinkpad yum.repos.d]# dnf config-manager --set-enabled 
fedora-cisco-openh264
[root@thinkpad yum.repos.d]# dnf install gstreamer1-plugin-openh264 
mozilla-openh264
Last metadata expiration check: 0:00:00 ago on Thu 26 Apr 2018 09:40:47 PM  
EDT.

No match for argument: gstreamer1-plugin-openh264
No match for argument: mozilla-openh264
Error: Unable to find a match

Meanwhile, back on Fedora 27, H.264 video works fine in Firefox, without any  
of this.





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Re: Sudo but no su -

[Ed Greshko]

On 04/27/18 08:29, Rick Stevens wrote:
> On 04/26/2018 12:54 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>> On 04/26/2018 12:14 PM, stan wrote:
>>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 11:05:28 -0700
>>> Samuel Sieb  wrote:
 I think the majority opinion now is that logging in as the root user
 is discouraged.  In almost all cases sudo is sufficient and if you
 need to do root things for a while, just use "sudo -i".  For remote
 access as root, use keys.
>>> I guess I hold the minority opinion, but that's OK.  Linux is all about
>>> choice, and the more the better.
>> I'm curious what you find you need to use a root login for.  I used to
>> use that all the time, but gradually I switched over and on my desktop
>> system, it is extremely rare that I use it.  (I think only when the
>> graphical display is messed up and I have to switch to a console to fix
>> it.)  The places I do use a root login are for remote admin, either
>> servers or remote laptops and computer that I administer.  And in almost
>> all cases, the root account is accessed using ssh with keys, no passwords.
> You need to be root to install software (e.g. dnf), start processes that
> use network ports <= 1024, manage disks, mount remote filesystems and
> many, many other things an active sysadmin has to do.

Sam did say "root login".  Yes you need to be running a process "as root" which 
sudo
provides but you need not "login" as root to do what you've mentioned.

FWIW, I never have the need to login as root from the graphical interface.  But 
I do,
at times, have the need to issue a series of commands from the command line as 
root. 
In those cases sudo is cumbersome.  So, I will use "su -".   So, no matter what 
the
default is I will be giving root a pw.  :-) :-)


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Re: Sudo but no su -

[Rick Stevens]

On 04/26/2018 12:54 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 04/26/2018 12:14 PM, stan wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 11:05:28 -0700
>> Samuel Sieb  wrote:
>>> I think the majority opinion now is that logging in as the root user
>>> is discouraged.  In almost all cases sudo is sufficient and if you
>>> need to do root things for a while, just use "sudo -i".  For remote
>>> access as root, use keys.
>>
>> I guess I hold the minority opinion, but that's OK.  Linux is all about
>> choice, and the more the better.
> 
> I'm curious what you find you need to use a root login for.  I used to
> use that all the time, but gradually I switched over and on my desktop
> system, it is extremely rare that I use it.  (I think only when the
> graphical display is messed up and I have to switch to a console to fix
> it.)  The places I do use a root login are for remote admin, either
> servers or remote laptops and computer that I administer.  And in almost
> all cases, the root account is accessed using ssh with keys, no passwords.

You need to be root to install software (e.g. dnf), start processes that
use network ports <= 1024, manage disks, mount remote filesystems and
many, many other things an active sysadmin has to do.
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Re: How to switch to mate? SOLVED

[Rick Stevens]

On 04/26/2018 09:45 AM, Beartooth wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 23:07:05 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 2018-04-18 at 17:30 +, Beartooth wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 Apr 2018 22:42:53 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>>
 The details differ according to which desktop manager (DM) you're
 using (which is *not* the same as the Desktop Environment). 
> 
>   Wikipedia seems to conflate them. Got a link to something better? 
> And where do window managers come into all this? Is that just an already 
> obsolete term of art, or are they a third thing?

DMs (display managers such as lightdm, kdm, gdm) start up the windowing
environment (such as Wayland or X). They also put up the "greeter",
which is what asks for your username/password combination and (if you
have multiple desktop environments) which one of those you want (Xfce,
Gnome, KDE, etc.) and possibly which session (if you've saved multiple
ones). Note that not all DMs support both Wayland and X (example:
lightdm does not support Wayland yet and may never do so).

The window manager (WM, such as mutter, xfwm4, uwm, etc.) is what
manages the desktop environment's windows, decorations, themes and the
like. Each environment has its preferred WM (Gnome likes mutter, Xfce
prefers xfwm4).

The main thing to keep in mind is that they are separate things that do
different jobs and at different layers. In a simplified view, Wayland
and X are at the lowest level and actually drive the display. The DM is
the next layer up and initializes Wayland or X, presents the greeter,
authenticates you and starts the desktop environment's window manager
(WM) and your desktop session. The WM makes requests of the DM, which
eventually wends its way down to the windowing system (Wayland or X) for
actual display.

Like I said, that's sort of a simplified way of looking at it and it's
not 100% accurate (these things are a bit incestuous) but it helps keep
it straight in your head (well, mine at least).

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[389-users] Re: Experiences with Large Groups (>100k Members)

[Michael Ströder]

Michael Ströder wrote:
> Fong, Trevor wrote:
>> Just wondering what others have encountered with large groups and
>> syncing between LDAP <--> RDBMS / LDAP <--> LDAP.
> 
> Simply write a custom script in your favourite scripting language.
> It's not that hard.
> 
> If you're familiar with Python:
> 
> https://python-ldap.org/en/latest/reference/ldap-modlist.html#ldap.modlist.modifyModlist

Ah, sorry. The above function is not the smart variant doing
delete-by-value and add-by-value.

But it's really not that hard to achieve that.

Ciao, Michael.
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[389-users] Re: Experiences with Large Groups (>100k Members)

[Michael Ströder]

Fong, Trevor wrote:
> Just wondering what others have encountered with large groups and
> syncing between LDAP <--> RDBMS / LDAP <--> LDAP.

Simply write a custom script in your favourite scripting language.
It's not that hard.

If you're familiar with Python:

https://python-ldap.org/en/latest/reference/ldap-modlist.html#ldap.modlist.modifyModlist

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[389-users] Re: Experiences with Large Groups (>100k Members)

[Fong, Trevor]

Thanks very much for your reply Trevor.
Just to expand a bit on my bit about sync’ing – We’ve been running on 389 DS 
for about 5 years now, and it has been solid for the most part.
Our LDAP cluster (multi-master replicated providers, hubs, and consumers) is 
sync’d to from our RDBMS based identity service via LSC (lsc-project.org).
LSC is normally trouble free, but it doesn’t do group replication very well due 
to it treating multi-value attributes in a monolithic manner (so we don’t do 
group sync yet).

Just wondering what others have encountered with large groups and syncing 
between LDAP <--> RDBMS / LDAP <--> LDAP.

Thanks,
Trev

From: "Wendt, Trevor" 
Reply-To: "389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org" 
<389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Date: Thursday, April 26, 2018 at 1:35 PM
To: "389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org" <389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Subject: [389-users] Re: Experiences with Large Groups (>100k Members)

Trev, Was going to suggest splitting and batching your imports, good call.
We have had over 650k and not had any issues with 389ds. Started back on 
fedora-ds and migrated along with changes. Replication (master/master) is 
solid, keeps up with day to day changes fine, very stable. Overall no issues 
for 10+ years using it with steady growth. We are moving away to another 
solution but by not because of 389ds.  Good luck. -Trevor


From: Fong, Trevor [mailto:trevor.f...@ubc.ca]
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 2:08 PM
To: General discussion list for the 389 Directory server project. 
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Subject: [389-users] Re: Experiences with Large Groups (>100k Members)

Just an update:
I was successful in loading 532k members into a group, in ~45 mins, via 
ldapmodify by segmenting the ldif into 5 separate add:member sections, of ~100k 
each.  I also set nsslapd-db-locks in cn=config,cn=ldbm 
database,cn=plugins,cn=config to 40 – not sure which made any difference.

Still interested in other people’s experience with large groups.

From: "Fong, Trevor" 
Reply-To: "389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org" 
<389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Date: Thursday, April 26, 2018 at 11:06 AM
To: "389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org" <389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Subject: [389-users] Experiences with Large Groups (>100k Members)

Hi Everyone,

I was wondering what experiences people have had with large groups (> 100k 
members) in 389 DS?
Particularly interested in loading, managing and syncing them.
WRT syncing – how do people efficiently sync large groups?  Most sync utilities 
sync at the attribute level; if the changed attribute (eg member) is 
multivalued, it just replaces all values.  That’s OK if there’s only a few 
values, but is not efficient when there are a large number of them.  A more 
efficient way would be to diff the 2 attributes and add/delete the differences; 
does anyone know of any sync tools that do something like this?

Background:
I have a few particularly large groups of > 500k members that are currently 
handled in a DBMS, but want to migrate them to LDAP instead.
When I try to load them via ldapmodify, doing an add:member per member was 
going to take more than 24 hrs at rate of processing at the time of abort.
Trying to add all members instead, with a single add:member and listing all 
members after that instruction, eventually ended with an Operations Error.  
Turning on housekeeping error level showed it was getting “Lock table is out of 
available lock entries” error – I’m in the process of retrying with adjusted 
nsslapd-db-locks in cn=config,cn=ldbm database,cn=plugins,cn=config.

Thanks,
Trev


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Re: Plymouth splash screen -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 04/24/18 16:56, Samuel Sieb wrote:

plymouth-set-default-theme tribar -R

bobg]# plymouth-set-default-theme
tribar

Although it shows the change to "tribar" it continues to display the 
original "spinner" when I reboot.


Did you try regenerating the initramfs with dracut?
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displayed in a VM of Fedora 28 beta on this computer without any problems!


I will wait until I have the new fedora 28 installed. I tried all the 
suggestions plus anything else I could think of, nothing worked, 
frustrating.


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Re: Sudo but no su -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 04/26/2018 01:36 PM, Andre Robatino wrote:

On 04/26/2018 12:14 PM, stan wrote:

I'm curious what you find you need to use a root login for.


The growisofs man page states "If  executed under sudo(8) growisofs refuses to 
start." (and explains why). I don't know if there are other commands with the same 
issue.


Seems rather arbitrary, but that's their choice.  However, it's really 
easy to workaround, just unset the SUDO_COMMAND variable.

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Re: Sudo but no su -

[stan]

On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 12:54:08 -0700
Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> I'm curious what you find you need to use a root login for.  I used
> to use that all the time, but gradually I switched over and on my
> desktop system, it is extremely rare that I use it.  (I think only
> when the graphical display is messed up and I have to switch to a
> console to fix it.)  The places I do use a root login are for remote
> admin, either servers or remote laptops and computer that I
> administer.  And in almost all cases, the root account is accessed
> using ssh with keys, no passwords.

I use it mostly to install software.  I run dnf updates from a virtual
console as root, and when I build the kernel or a package from a
src.rpm, I use root to install it also.  I have used the root password
when an upgrade to a new rawhide failed.  I could probably get by with
using sudo, but like I said, habit.  Why expend the effort to learn a
new way of doing things that is no better than what I'm already doing?
The only advantage I see with using sudo is that there is only 1
password to remember instead of 2, but that isn't an issue for me.
Another minor benefit is that I always log in as root on the same
virtual console, so that when I go to that console I know that I am
root, and I take greater care.

TLDR; if I had to I could switch, but why bother?
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Re: Sudo but no su -

[Andre Robatino]

> On 04/26/2018 12:14 PM, stan wrote:
> 
> I'm curious what you find you need to use a root login for.

The growisofs man page states "If  executed under sudo(8) growisofs refuses to 
start." (and explains why). I don't know if there are other commands with the 
same issue.
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Re: Sudo but no su -

[Joe Zeff]

On 04/26/2018 01:14 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
I suppose that's true, but in that case, there's probably a larger issue 
involved and you'll likely need a live boot of some sort anyway.


I'd find it both faster and easier to switch to a text console, log in 
as root and do what's needed.  Of course, I started out with desktop 
computers back when CP/M was king, and was happy with MS-DOS for years.

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[389-users] Re: Experiences with Large Groups (>100k Members)

[Wendt, Trevor]

Trev, Was going to suggest splitting and batching your imports, good call.
We have had over 650k and not had any issues with 389ds. Started back on 
fedora-ds and migrated along with changes. Replication (master/master) is 
solid, keeps up with day to day changes fine, very stable. Overall no issues 
for 10+ years using it with steady growth. We are moving away to another 
solution but by not because of 389ds.  Good luck. -Trevor


From: Fong, Trevor [mailto:trevor.f...@ubc.ca]
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 2:08 PM
To: General discussion list for the 389 Directory server project. 
<389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Subject: [389-users] Re: Experiences with Large Groups (>100k Members)

Just an update:
I was successful in loading 532k members into a group, in ~45 mins, via 
ldapmodify by segmenting the ldif into 5 separate add:member sections, of ~100k 
each.  I also set nsslapd-db-locks in cn=config,cn=ldbm 
database,cn=plugins,cn=config to 40 – not sure which made any difference.

Still interested in other people’s experience with large groups.

From: "Fong, Trevor" 
Reply-To: "389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org" 
<389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Date: Thursday, April 26, 2018 at 11:06 AM
To: "389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org" <389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Subject: [389-users] Experiences with Large Groups (>100k Members)

Hi Everyone,

I was wondering what experiences people have had with large groups (> 100k 
members) in 389 DS?
Particularly interested in loading, managing and syncing them.
WRT syncing – how do people efficiently sync large groups?  Most sync utilities 
sync at the attribute level; if the changed attribute (eg member) is 
multivalued, it just replaces all values.  That’s OK if there’s only a few 
values, but is not efficient when there are a large number of them.  A more 
efficient way would be to diff the 2 attributes and add/delete the differences; 
does anyone know of any sync tools that do something like this?

Background:
I have a few particularly large groups of > 500k members that are currently 
handled in a DBMS, but want to migrate them to LDAP instead.
When I try to load them via ldapmodify, doing an add:member per member was 
going to take more than 24 hrs at rate of processing at the time of abort.
Trying to add all members instead, with a single add:member and listing all 
members after that instruction, eventually ended with an Operations Error.  
Turning on housekeeping error level showed it was getting “Lock table is out of 
available lock entries” error – I’m in the process of retrying with adjusted 
nsslapd-db-locks in cn=config,cn=ldbm database,cn=plugins,cn=config.

Thanks,
Trev


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Re: Sudo but no su -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 04/26/2018 01:00 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 04/26/2018 12:14 PM, stan wrote:

Good to know that it will always be there.  Habit for me is to use root
and su instead of sudo.  old dog - new tricks  :-)


Same here.  If I ever had to work with Ubuntu, one of the first things 
I'd do is set the root password.  As things are now, you're completely 
hosed if something goes wrong with your regular login.


I suppose that's true, but in that case, there's probably a larger issue 
involved and you'll likely need a live boot of some sort anyway.  There 
is one case where this does become a problem.  If dracut runs into a 
problem during boot and requires the root password to start the shell, 
you're in trouble.  There's a bug open for that, but a solution has not 
been decided on yet.  However, again, this is a really rare case and a 
live boot would probably be easier anyway.

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Re: Sudo but no su -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 04/26/2018 01:03 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 04/26/2018 12:54 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

I'm curious what you find you need to use a root login for.


If I need to do more than one or two things as root, it's easier to 
become root rather than type sudo over and over.


That's what "sudo -i" is for.
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[389-users] Re: Experiences with Large Groups (>100k Members)

[Fong, Trevor]

Just an update:
I was successful in loading 532k members into a group, in ~45 mins, via 
ldapmodify by segmenting the ldif into 5 separate add:member sections, of ~100k 
each.  I also set nsslapd-db-locks in cn=config,cn=ldbm 
database,cn=plugins,cn=config to 40 – not sure which made any difference.

Still interested in other people’s experience with large groups.

From: "Fong, Trevor" 
Reply-To: "389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org" 
<389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Date: Thursday, April 26, 2018 at 11:06 AM
To: "389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org" <389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Subject: [389-users] Experiences with Large Groups (>100k Members)

Hi Everyone,

I was wondering what experiences people have had with large groups (> 100k 
members) in 389 DS?
Particularly interested in loading, managing and syncing them.
WRT syncing – how do people efficiently sync large groups?  Most sync utilities 
sync at the attribute level; if the changed attribute (eg member) is 
multivalued, it just replaces all values.  That’s OK if there’s only a few 
values, but is not efficient when there are a large number of them.  A more 
efficient way would be to diff the 2 attributes and add/delete the differences; 
does anyone know of any sync tools that do something like this?

Background:
I have a few particularly large groups of > 500k members that are currently 
handled in a DBMS, but want to migrate them to LDAP instead.
When I try to load them via ldapmodify, doing an add:member per member was 
going to take more than 24 hrs at rate of processing at the time of abort.
Trying to add all members instead, with a single add:member and listing all 
members after that instruction, eventually ended with an Operations Error.  
Turning on housekeeping error level showed it was getting “Lock table is out of 
available lock entries” error – I’m in the process of retrying with adjusted 
nsslapd-db-locks in cn=config,cn=ldbm database,cn=plugins,cn=config.

Thanks,
Trev


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Re: How to switch to mate? SOLVED

[Samuel Sieb]

On 04/26/2018 09:45 AM, Beartooth wrote:

On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 23:07:05 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:


On Wed, 2018-04-18 at 17:30 +, Beartooth wrote:

On Tue, 17 Apr 2018 22:42:53 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:


The details differ according to which desktop manager (DM) you're
using (which is *not* the same as the Desktop Environment).


Wikipedia seems to conflate them. Got a link to something better?
And where do window managers come into all this? Is that just an already
obsolete term of art, or are they a third thing?


DM generally refers to the *Display* Manger.  That's the application 
that on a graphical system shows up first.  (e.g. gdm, lightdm, lxdm) 
It's what lets you select the user and desktop session type you want to 
use.  The Desktop Environment is a term for things like Gnome, KDE, LXDE 
that are a mostly complete package with a window manager, panels, 
applications, etc. that all work together.  The Window Manager is not 
something often used by itself now, although some people still do like 
them.  They are the applications that just manage the handling of X 
windows, moving them around, resizing, closing.  For example: openbox, 
WindowMaker, awesome.  Some of those are still part of a larger 
ecosystem, but generally not considered a full desktop environment.  Run 
'dnf search "window manager"' for a long list of options.

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Re: Sudo but no su -

[Joe Zeff]

On 04/26/2018 12:54 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:




I'm curious what you find you need to use a root login for.


If I need to do more than one or two things as root, it's easier to 
become root rather than type sudo over and over.

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Re: Sudo but no su -

[Joe Zeff]

On 04/26/2018 12:14 PM, stan wrote:

Good to know that it will always be there.  Habit for me is to use root
and su instead of sudo.  old dog - new tricks  :-)


Same here.  If I ever had to work with Ubuntu, one of the first things 
I'd do is set the root password.  As things are now, you're completely 
hosed if something goes wrong with your regular login.

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Re: Sudo but no su -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 04/26/2018 12:14 PM, stan wrote:

On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 11:05:28 -0700
Samuel Sieb  wrote:

I think the majority opinion now is that logging in as the root user
is discouraged.  In almost all cases sudo is sufficient and if you
need to do root things for a while, just use "sudo -i".  For remote
access as root, use keys.


I guess I hold the minority opinion, but that's OK.  Linux is all about
choice, and the more the better.


I'm curious what you find you need to use a root login for.  I used to 
use that all the time, but gradually I switched over and on my desktop 
system, it is extremely rare that I use it.  (I think only when the 
graphical display is messed up and I have to switch to a console to fix 
it.)  The places I do use a root login are for remote admin, either 
servers or remote laptops and computer that I administer.  And in almost 
all cases, the root account is accessed using ssh with keys, no passwords.

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Re: Sudo but no su -

[stan]

On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 11:05:28 -0700
Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> The home directory for root is /root.

Good to know that it will always be there.  Habit for me is to use root
and su instead of sudo.  old dog - new tricks  :-)
 
> I think the majority opinion now is that logging in as the root user
> is discouraged.  In almost all cases sudo is sufficient and if you
> need to do root things for a while, just use "sudo -i".  For remote
> access as root, use keys.

I guess I hold the minority opinion, but that's OK.  Linux is all about
choice, and the more the better.
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Re: Sudo but no su -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 04/26/2018 11:25 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 01:03:58PM -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:

I installed Virtual Manager in this Fedora 27 workstation system and
created afedora 28 beta installation and was surprised to find I
haveonly user bobg, no root account. Sometimes it's convenient to
keep a work space for root and I was unable to do that, could not do
dnf upgrade or groupinstall xfce unless I used sudo. Is that a
virt-manager feature or is it going to be normal for Fedora 28?


That's the default for Workstation now, yeah. It's easy to set a root
password if you prefer.


Oh, good point.  I always use the Everything netinst image.  I forgot 
about how the Live install works differently.

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Re: Sudo but no su -

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 01:03:58PM -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> I installed Virtual Manager in this Fedora 27 workstation system and
> created afedora 28 beta installation and was surprised to find I
> haveonly user bobg, no root account. Sometimes it's convenient to
> keep a work space for root and I was unable to do that, could not do
> dnf upgrade or groupinstall xfce unless I used sudo. Is that a
> virt-manager feature or is it going to be normal for Fedora 28?

That's the default for Workstation now, yeah. It's easy to set a root
password if you prefer.


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[389-users] Experiences with Large Groups (>100k Members)

[Fong, Trevor]

Hi Everyone,

I was wondering what experiences people have had with large groups (> 100k 
members) in 389 DS?
Particularly interested in loading, managing and syncing them.
WRT syncing – how do people efficiently sync large groups?  Most sync utilities 
sync at the attribute level; if the changed attribute (eg member) is 
multivalued, it just replaces all values.  That’s OK if there’s only a few 
values, but is not efficient when there are a large number of them.  A more 
efficient way would be to diff the 2 attributes and add/delete the differences; 
does anyone know of any sync tools that do something like this?

Background:
I have a few particularly large groups of > 500k members that are currently 
handled in a DBMS, but want to migrate them to LDAP instead.
When I try to load them via ldapmodify, doing an add:member per member was 
going to take more than 24 hrs at rate of processing at the time of abort.
Trying to add all members instead, with a single add:member and listing all 
members after that instruction, eventually ended with an Operations Error.  
Turning on housekeeping error level showed it was getting “Lock table is out of 
available lock entries” error – I’m in the process of retrying with adjusted 
nsslapd-db-locks in cn=config,cn=ldbm database,cn=plugins,cn=config.

Thanks,
Trev


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Senior Programmer Analyst
Information Technology | Engage. Envision. Enable.
The University of British Columbia
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Re: Sudo but no su -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 04/26/2018 10:53 AM, stan wrote:

Thanks for the info.  Does there have to be a home directory for
the obligatory root account?  The tone of the discussions I read was
that root user was an anachronism, and linux would be better without
it.  That's only my interpretation, of course, so it could be wrong.


The home directory for root is /root.

I think the majority opinion now is that logging in as the root user is 
discouraged.  In almost all cases sudo is sufficient and if you need to 
do root things for a while, just use "sudo -i".  For remote access as 
root, use keys.

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Re: Sudo but no su -

[stan]

On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 10:30:37 -0700
Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> There *has* to be a root account.  By default there is no root
> password unless you set one during the installation.  I think there
> has been talk of removing that option from the installer.  All you
> have to do is "sudo passwd" to set the root password and then you can
> directly use the root account again if you want.

Thanks for the info.  Does there have to be a home directory for
the obligatory root account?  The tone of the discussions I read was
that root user was an anachronism, and linux would be better without
it.  That's only my interpretation, of course, so it could be wrong.
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Re: Sudo but no su -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 04/26/18 13:25, Bob Goodwin wrote:
When you did the install, did you create a password for root?  If not, 
then do "sudo passwd" and set one.  The easier method though might be 
to just use "sudo -i".
_ 


That worked ...

[bobg@localhost-live ~]$ sudo passwd
[sudo] password for bobg:
Changing password for user root.
New password:
Retype new password:
passwd: all authentication tokens updated successfully.

[bobg@localhost-live ~]$ su
Password:
[root@localhost-live bobg]#

Than you.


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Re: Sudo but no su -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 04/26/2018 10:25 AM, stan wrote:

I think I remember reading that there will be no default root
account after install of F28 or later.  Again, I think I remember the
workaround was to use sudo, and then create a root account with
useradd.  You will have to specify the root directory as /root (man
useradd), otherwise I think the default is to create it in /home
(/home/root? :-)).  Be sure to check the permissions on the /root
directory after you create it. The default that used to be created by
anaconda was 550.


There *has* to be a root account.  By default there is no root password 
unless you set one during the installation.  I think there has been talk 
of removing that option from the installer.  All you have to do is "sudo 
passwd" to set the root password and then you can directly use the root 
account again if you want.

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Re: Sudo but no su -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 04/26/2018 10:24 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:

On 04/26/18 13:17, Samuel Sieb wrote:


When you did the install, did you create a password for root?  If not, 
then do "sudo passwd" and set one.  The easier method though might be 
to just use "sudo -i".


I will try that. I did the install several times thinking I was having 
trouble reading the install screen, because there was not place for the 
root data. I have not tried an install other than VM if that matters ...


I only did one quick install of F28 in a VM, so I don't remember the 
details, but I think it was the same as previous versions.  The root 
password and initial user are created during the package installation 
process after you click the "Install" button.

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Re: Sudo but no su -

[stan]

On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 13:03:58 -0400
Bob Goodwin  wrote:

> I installed Virtual Manager in this Fedora 27 workstation system and 
> created afedora 28 beta installation and was surprised to find I 
> haveonly user bobg, no root account. Sometimes it's convenient to
> keep a work space for root and I was unable to do that, could not do
> dnf upgrade or groupinstall xfce unless I used sudo. Is that a
> virt-manager feature or is it going to be normal for Fedora 28?

I think I remember reading that there will be no default root
account after install of F28 or later.  Again, I think I remember the
workaround was to use sudo, and then create a root account with
useradd.  You will have to specify the root directory as /root (man
useradd), otherwise I think the default is to create it in /home
(/home/root? :-)).  Be sure to check the permissions on the /root
directory after you create it. The default that used to be created by
anaconda was 550.
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Re: boot menu does not see Windows after Fedora 27 Install

[Samuel Sieb]

On 04/26/2018 08:22 AM, PropAAS DBA wrote:

I believe it is an EFI system see the blkid output below:


It looks like a mixed system.


root@localhost ~]# blkid
/dev/sda1: UUID="f9c9741c-c5c8-4a41-9f5a-0f4f7dba9169" TYPE="ext4" 
PARTUUID="2466866a-01"
/dev/sda2: UUID="8cfbcbef-9760-40af-b1ae-3223593ce625" TYPE="swap" 
PARTUUID="2466866a-02"

/dev/sdb1: UUID="3666D7D766D79649" TYPE="ntfs" PARTUUID="34600b74-01"
/dev/sdb2: UUID="D600697A0069630B" TYPE="ntfs" PARTUUID="34600b74-02"
/dev/sdc1: LABEL="Games" UUID="00021CF2021CEF02" TYPE="ntfs" 
PARTUUID="8f4e-01"


Your windows partitions are all on msdos partitioned drives with no EFI 
partition.  This means that Windows is not set up for EFI boot.


/dev/sdd1: SEC_TYPE="msdos" UUID="96F2-9316" TYPE="vfat" PARTLABEL="EFI 
System Partition" PARTUUID="e3178d52-6030-4ee6-9bfa-e57852bc0ac0"
/dev/sdd2: UUID="3a26080f-c080-4065-b1aa-2446ad953ff7" TYPE="ext4" 
PARTUUID="66462a70-6f12-4a86-8d35-053cf44c5b95"
/dev/sdd3: UUID="DF6NVW-cRSv-Bol5-zF3C-2ber-md8q-2PfOCL" 
TYPE="LVM2_member" PARTUUID="692cdbd9-9fde-45ae-94e8-75734c8760ed"


However, you installed Fedora in EFI mode on a GPT formatted drive. 
This means that the installer would not see the Windows installation. 
Unless you reinstall either Fedora or Windows in the other mode, you 
will have to use the BIOS boot menu to choose them at boot.

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Re: Sudo but no su -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 04/26/18 13:17, Samuel Sieb wrote:


When you did the install, did you create a password for root?  If not, 
then do "sudo passwd" and set one.  The easier method though might be 
to just use "sudo -i".

_


I will try that. I did the install several times thinking I was having 
trouble reading the install screen, because there was not place for the 
root data. I have not tried an install other than VM if that matters ...


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Re: Sudo but no su -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 04/26/18 13:17, Samuel Sieb wrote:


When you did the install, did you create a password for root?  If not, 
then do "sudo passwd" and set one.  The easier method though might be 
to just use "sudo -i".

_


I will try that. I did the install several times thinking I was having 
trouble reading the install screen, because there was not place for the 
root data. I have not tried an install other than VM if that matters ...


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Re: Sudo but no su -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 04/26/2018 10:03 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
I installed Virtual Manager in this Fedora 27 workstation system and 
created afedora 28 beta installation and was surprised to find I 
haveonly user bobg, no root account. Sometimes it's convenient to keep a 
work space for root and I was unable to do that, could not do dnf 
upgrade or groupinstall xfce unless I used sudo. Is that a virt-manager 
feature or is it going to be normal for Fedora 28?


When you did the install, did you create a password for root?  If not, 
then do "sudo passwd" and set one.  The easier method though might be to 
just use "sudo -i".

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Sudo but no su -

[Bob Goodwin]

.

I installed Virtual Manager in this Fedora 27 workstation system and 
created afedora 28 beta installation and was surprised to find I 
haveonly user bobg, no root account. Sometimes it's convenient to keep a 
work space for root and I was unable to do that, could not do dnf 
upgrade or groupinstall xfce unless I used sudo. Is that a virt-manager 
feature or is it going to be normal for Fedora 28?


Bob

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Re: portable (really) Fedora on stick

[Richard Shaw]

On somewhat of a tangent... I wonder if Fedora Atomic Workstation would be
useful for portable Fedora? I would probably fix the problem of updating
packages taking forever on Flash memory...

Downloading now...

Richard
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Re: How to switch to mate? SOLVED

[Beartooth]

On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 23:07:05 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

> On Wed, 2018-04-18 at 17:30 +, Beartooth wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Apr 2018 22:42:53 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> 
>> > The details differ according to which desktop manager (DM) you're
>> > using (which is *not* the same as the Desktop Environment). 

Wikipedia seems to conflate them. Got a link to something better? 
And where do window managers come into all this? Is that just an already 
obsolete term of art, or are they a third thing?

>> > The
>> > typical options are GDM, KDM, SDDM etc. In the case of SDDM there's a
>> > drop-down menu at the lower left corner of the login screen where you
>> > select which environment to log into. I forget how the others work
>> > but it should be similar.

From a couple of lucky observations, I seem to be running LightDM, 
for which so far I have found a debunking article, well-written but way 
over my head: https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/2414.html

> Glad it worked. Possibly a different DM might be easier to use for you.
> You can change the DM quite easily, e.g.:
> 
> # systemctl enable sddm (or kdm, gdm, lightdm, ...)

I'll see what I can find to read about those. Fwiw, I tried a lot 
of things, but always stayed mostly with Gnome till Gnome3 came out 

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Re: boot menu does not see Windows after Fedora 27 Install

[Germano Massullo]

Meanwhile other users will tell you how to fix Grub, I can tell you that
if you will experience Windows boot malfunctions, just disable Windows
10 fastboot and you will be fine
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Re: boot menu does not see Windows after Fedora 27 Install

[PropAAS DBA]

On 04/25/2018 09:32 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 04/25/2018 07:43 PM, PropAAS DBA wrote:
I just installed Fedora 27 on a server with 2 internal hard drives. 
Windows was already installed on the first hard drive, I added a 
second internal hard drive and installed Fedora on the second drive 
only. However there is no option to boot into windows when the boot 
screen comes up.  Can someone point me in the right direction to add 
the windows drive to the boot menu?


Is this an EFI system?  What does "blkid" show?


I believe it is an EFI system see the blkid output below:


root@localhost ~]# blkid
/dev/sda1: UUID="f9c9741c-c5c8-4a41-9f5a-0f4f7dba9169" TYPE="ext4" 
PARTUUID="2466866a-01"
/dev/sda2: UUID="8cfbcbef-9760-40af-b1ae-3223593ce625" TYPE="swap" 
PARTUUID="2466866a-02"

/dev/sdb1: UUID="3666D7D766D79649" TYPE="ntfs" PARTUUID="34600b74-01"
/dev/sdb2: UUID="D600697A0069630B" TYPE="ntfs" PARTUUID="34600b74-02"
/dev/sdc1: LABEL="Games" UUID="00021CF2021CEF02" TYPE="ntfs" 
PARTUUID="8f4e-01"
/dev/sdd1: SEC_TYPE="msdos" UUID="96F2-9316" TYPE="vfat" PARTLABEL="EFI 
System Partition" PARTUUID="e3178d52-6030-4ee6-9bfa-e57852bc0ac0"
/dev/sdd2: UUID="3a26080f-c080-4065-b1aa-2446ad953ff7" TYPE="ext4" 
PARTUUID="66462a70-6f12-4a86-8d35-053cf44c5b95"
/dev/sdd3: UUID="DF6NVW-cRSv-Bol5-zF3C-2ber-md8q-2PfOCL" 
TYPE="LVM2_member" PARTUUID="692cdbd9-9fde-45ae-94e8-75734c8760ed"
/dev/mapper/fedora-root: UUID="8cde16d8-baec-4909-8e7f-a4c9dc559577" 
TYPE="ext4"
/dev/sde1: LABEL="MULTIBOOT" UUID="DCED-F572" TYPE="vfat" 
PARTUUID="f52dba3a-01"
/dev/mapper/fedora-swap: UUID="5cb2fe3f-bc9d-409c-b12b-b59afbcf1149" 
TYPE="swap"
/dev/mapper/fedora-home: UUID="570b9a51-92c5-43a1-bc58-5c315387033a" 
TYPE="ext4"


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Re: portable (really) Fedora on stick

[ToddAndMargo]

On 04/26/2018 06:56 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:
I was originally trying to get Fedora-on-a-stick working with a USB 3.0 
stick w/ a 32GB Class 10 SD card.


The performance with a "standard" install was not acceptable and updates 
took WA too long.


Since the performance using the live method with a compressed image was 
WAY better I was trying to find a way to use the live type install with 
overlay-fs (or an alternative) and then have a way to take all the 
deltas in the overlay-fs file and commit them back into the main image 
file on occasion, but the tools aren't really "there" yet and it was 
very cumbersome.


I think M.2 + USB 3.0/3.1 is the way to go but it is a lot bigger than 
my tiny USB 3.0 w/ microSD card setup.


Thanks,
Richard


I still use the Live USB on USB 3 sticks.  My SATA SSD USB 3.1
carrier boots a lot faster.  Both still beat native Windows,
even on USB 2.

M.2 SATA sticks are a bit skinnier than standard 2.5" SATA
carriers, but I haven't notices a problem with the 2.5" as
they are flat and fit nicely in my briefcase.  Also,
the USB-C connector (I have lots of adapter) comes in handy
too.

Have not found a M.2 NVMe to USB 3.x carrier.

I find the Live USB to be a pain-in-the-a** as you really can't
customize them much.  Each time you add something, even
though you remove it later, it doesn't give you back the
space.  And you fill up really fast.

Plus, for some reason, they corrupt a lot.  I have mainly
traced this back to something Windows does to them when
you insert them in a running machine.  (I have since
disciplined myself to only insert them into a powered off
Windows machine.)

Now to figure out how to get my USB 3.1 drive to
boot off both legacy BIOS and EUFI.




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Re: portable (really) Fedora on stick

[Richard Shaw]

I was originally trying to get Fedora-on-a-stick working with a USB 3.0
stick w/ a 32GB Class 10 SD card.

The performance with a "standard" install was not acceptable and updates
took WA too long.

Since the performance using the live method with a compressed image was WAY
better I was trying to find a way to use the live type install with
overlay-fs (or an alternative) and then have a way to take all the deltas
in the overlay-fs file and commit them back into the main image file on
occasion, but the tools aren't really "there" yet and it was very
cumbersome.

I think M.2 + USB 3.0/3.1 is the way to go but it is a lot bigger than my
tiny USB 3.0 w/ microSD card setup.

Thanks,
Richard
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[389-users] Re: ns-slapd segfault

[Mark Reynolds]

On 04/26/2018 08:14 AM, Bart wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am using 389-ds as a part of FreeIPA setup. I've established trust with AD 
> domain but ds server crashes when I try to authenticate with an AD user on a 
> linux system.
>
> The version I am using is:
>
> 389-ds-base.x86_641.3.7.10-1.fc27  @updates   
>   
> 389-ds-base-libs.x86_64   1.3.7.10-1.fc27  @updates   
>
> Related dmesg output is:
>
> [ 2998.558825] ns-slapd[1019]: segfault at 0 ip 7f5cfa4aa20b sp 
> 7f5cca64fab0 error 4 in libtcmalloc.so.4.4.5[7f5cfa483000+46000]
> [69484.585785] ns-slapd[5558]: segfault at 0 ip 7ff7a797620b sp 
> 7ff773e9dab0 error 4 in libtcmalloc.so.4.4.5[7ff7a794f000+46000]
> [70128.856460] ns-slapd[5799]: segfault at 0 ip 7f5bb28e820b sp 
> 7f5b83e19cd0 error 4 in libtcmalloc.so.4.4.5[7f5bb28c1000+46000]
> [70841.531994] ns-slapd[6687]: segfault at 0 ip 7f3b26217213 sp 
> 7f3af9b84b00 error 4 in libtcmalloc.so.4.4.5[7f3b261f+46000]
>
> Everything runs on Fedora 27, I use the packages from the upstream repo. 
> Can anyone point me to the way of fixing this?

Without seeing a backtrace from a core file its hard to say, but...  It
looks like a recent bug found in SSSD (BZ#1566782).   This has not been
fixed upstream in SSSD yet, but should be soon once more
testing/verification is done.
>
> Thank you
> Bart
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[389-users] ns-slapd segfault

[Bart]

Hi all,

I am using 389-ds as a part of FreeIPA setup. I've established trust with AD 
domain but ds server crashes when I try to authenticate with an AD user on a 
linux system.

The version I am using is:

389-ds-base.x86_641.3.7.10-1.fc27  @updates 
389-ds-base-libs.x86_64   1.3.7.10-1.fc27  @updates   

Related dmesg output is:

[ 2998.558825] ns-slapd[1019]: segfault at 0 ip 7f5cfa4aa20b sp 
7f5cca64fab0 error 4 in libtcmalloc.so.4.4.5[7f5cfa483000+46000]
[69484.585785] ns-slapd[5558]: segfault at 0 ip 7ff7a797620b sp 
7ff773e9dab0 error 4 in libtcmalloc.so.4.4.5[7ff7a794f000+46000]
[70128.856460] ns-slapd[5799]: segfault at 0 ip 7f5bb28e820b sp 
7f5b83e19cd0 error 4 in libtcmalloc.so.4.4.5[7f5bb28c1000+46000]
[70841.531994] ns-slapd[6687]: segfault at 0 ip 7f3b26217213 sp 
7f3af9b84b00 error 4 in libtcmalloc.so.4.4.5[7f3b261f+46000]

Everything runs on Fedora 27, I use the packages from the upstream repo. 
Can anyone point me to the way of fixing this?

Thank you
Bart
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[MySQL & MariaDB in Fedora] MySQL 8.0 release, testers welcomed

[Michal Schorm]

Hello everybody!
I want to share a quick overview of MySQL and MariaDB packages through
Fedora. Brand new releases are available!


*Available software and channels:*

MariaDB 10.1 - F26 base;  F27+28+Rawhide COPR
MariaDB 10.2 - F27+F28+Rawhide base
MariaDB 10.3 - F27+F28+Rawhide COPR
MySQL 5.7 - F26+F27+F28 base
MySQL 8.0 - Rawhide base

The MySQL 8.0.11
 is a hot new
wares; MariaDB 10.3 is expected to grow GA and land in the Rawhide soon.



*Modules & Containers:*
Modules are in progress.
In order to allow users to use alternative version of MariaDB and MySQL
servers in Fedora, we're working on modular builds.
In the end, users will be able to use either newer MariaDB 10.3 and MySQL
8.0, or older MariaDB 10.1 and MySQL 5.6 versions in Fedora releases where
we have MariaDB 10.2 and MySQL 5.7 by default.

We are trying to ship also the Fedora Containers.


*Their quality right now may vary, as the infrastructure for them for both
building and using is still beeing developed.*

*COPR:*
  mschorm/mariadb-10.1
  mschorm/mariadb-10.3
  mschorm/mysql-8


*Connectors:*

A huge amount of work was made on following packages:
   mariadb-connector-c
   mysql-connector-odbc
   mariadb-connector-odbc
They should now work better then ever before.
The connector C allowed us to divide the server and client for both usage
and building dependend software.


*Information, help, tutorials, tips & tricks:*

Lately, I wrote several pages on the wiki, clearing up the situation:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Package_MariaDB

Are you completely new to those databases && you speak Czech?
Several great articles waits for you:
https://mojefedora.cz/jak-zprovoznit-mariadb-10-1-server-pro-vyvoj/

Do you have problems with the server start?
"journactl -xe" or "/var/log/..." can help you.
In some cases (mostly unusual re-installations) "/var/lib/mysql/" needs
some cleaning.



*Testing needed:*
I'd love you all to try out the MySQL 8.0 and MariaDB 10.3.
Explore the Copr, try out the modules, meet the container images.



*I managed to prepare MySQL 5.7.22 update in less than 20 hours, but it
lies in BODHI untouched.I use BODHI auto-push, so I encourage you to test
them before they land in stable.*


*Bugs:*
File them! Let me know!
My bugzilla doors are always open as well as my mail inbox :)


--

Michal Schorm
Associate Software Engineer
Core Services - Databases Team
Red Hat
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