date:20180718

On Wed, 2018-07-18 at 16:20 -0400, Alex wrote:
> > Also, if you're doing the photo-editing in the VM you will only be able
> > to use the native Nvidia Windows drivers by doing GPU passthrough, in
> > which case you will need a second GPU for Linux (you probably have an
> > integrated one already on the motherboard). This will also put
> > constraints on the kind of motherboard you can use (I do this for
> > Windows gaming and it took quite a bit of fiddling to get working,
> > though it's stable once it does work).
> 
> Can you explain this further? This involves one cable to one monitor
> for Windows and another cable to another monitor for Linux?

You can do it that way, but I have both cables going into an HDMI
switch and then to my single monitor. The switch has a button to select
which input to use. It's important to get a switch that maintains a
signal on the unselected input, otherwise the GPU might think it's
disconnected and do something funny (especially if it's the Windows
side), otherwise it works well. You also have to switch the keyboard
and mouse unless you want to double up on those, but QEMU/KVM handles
it fine with a Ctrl-Alt combo.

However that's the easy part. The trickier part is to get Linux to
completely ignore the VM's GPU so as not to interfere with the Windows
drivers in the VM, which means creating a boot line to turn it off.
That in turn depends on details of your motherboard and chipset. Alex
Williamson has a great blog at:

https://vfio.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/vfio-gpu-how-to-series-part-1-hardware.html

and there's a mailing list for all this at:

https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/vfio-users

However, once again: this is for people who want to run Windows VMs
that use proprietary device drivers, e.g. for DirectX graphics. It's
probably not necessary if you're just doing photo editing (video
editing may be another story).

poc
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EFI

2018-07-18 Thread Patrick Dupre

Hello,

I have a disk where I wish to have 2 OS on 2 different partitions
Do I need 2 EFI System Partition (Boot). I guess that one is enough.
I just want to be sure.

Thank.

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Re: Which is better? Microsoft Exchange 2016 or Linux-based SMTP Servers?

On Wed, 2018-07-18 at 11:07 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote:
> Note that at the time I did this (geeze, like 15 years ago), things like
> Gmail, Office 365 and many of the other cloud-based email systems did
> not exist. We had to roll our own. Would I do it again? If we needed
> complete control of things or our email requirements grew to a similar
> number of "seats" that made a commercial product too expensive, yes.
> I have the experience so it's not that daunting to me, but it's not
> something I'd necessarily relish revisiting.

I successfully lobbied my university board to switch to what is now
called G Suite, which is free for educational users. The main
motivation was economic: we simply couldn't afford to keep expanding
our server hardware infrastructure to carry the exploding load, but
more importantly the corporate salary structure didn't allow us to pay
competitive rates to admins. This may not suit everyone, but in our
case if we had not done this our mail service would have collapsed.

[Before anyone asks, this was in Venezuela. Enough said.]

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Re: Considering Asus Prime Z370-A; need video recommendations

2018-07-18 Thread Alex

Hi,

On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 3:34 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:
> On Tue, 2018-07-17 at 14:23 -0400, Alex wrote:
>> > I don't know about AMD, but there is no real open-source driver from
>> > NVIDIA, just some reverse engineered thing (Nouveau).  Yes, they've
>> > made an open-source driver, but they don't have the information needed
>> > from the manufacturers to do create a completely functional driver.
>>
>> Yes, thanks, that's what I remember as well.
>>
>> I'm considering the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 GAMING 6GB GDDR5. Any
>> thoughts or recommendations for/against this board?
>>
>> I don't think I'll be using it for games, but will probably be doing
>> some photo editing in the Windows VM.
>
> If you aren't using it for games it's probably overkill. It might make
> a difference if you were doing realistic scene-rendering, but photo
> editing is not a high-demand application for modern CPUs.
>
> Also, if you're doing the photo-editing in the VM you will only be able
> to use the native Nvidia Windows drivers by doing GPU passthrough, in
> which case you will need a second GPU for Linux (you probably have an
> integrated one already on the motherboard). This will also put
> constraints on the kind of motherboard you can use (I do this for
> Windows gaming and it took quite a bit of fiddling to get working,
> though it's stable once it does work).

Can you explain this further? This involves one cable to one monitor
for Windows and another cable to another monitor for Linux?

Thanks,
Alex


>
> If you don't want to go down that road then your Windows VM will only
> be using an emulated GPU and you won't be getting any of the benefit of
> your fancy Nvidia card.
>
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Re: Which is better? Microsoft Exchange 2016 or Linux-based SMTP Servers?

On Wed, 2018-07-18 at 12:19 -0400, William Oliver wrote:
> For my size of shop (about 100 users), linux works fine.  I don't know
> what the answer is for huge shops that have to have distibuted systems
> -- I've heard that's a lot more complicated, but have never done it.

I used to oversee a university mail system for several thousand users,
all on one Centos machine administered by one guy who also did a lot of
other stuff. Accounts and help desk was a group of people of course,
but that was generally non-technical and wouldn't vary much according
to the server type.

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Re: dnf wierdness

2018-07-18 Thread Rick Stevens

On 07/18/2018 12:24 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
> sudo dnf --enablerepo=updates-testing update kernel
> ...
> Dependencies resolved.
> 
>  Problem: cannot install both kernel-4.17.6-200.fc28.x86_64 and 
> kernel-4.17.6-200.fc28.x86_64
>   - cannot install the best update candidate for package 
> kernel-4.17.6-200.fc28.x86_64
>   - cannot install the best update candidate for package 
> kernel-4.17.3-200.fc28.x86_64
> 
>  Package   Arch  Version   
> Repository  Size
> 
> Reinstalling:
>  kernelx86_644.17.6-200.fc28   updates-
> testing 96 k
> 
> Transaction Summary
> 
> 
> Total download size: 96 k
> Is this ok [y/N]: n
> Operation aborted.
> [nbecker@nbecker2 scma-ofdm-nr]$ rpm -q kernel
> kernel-4.17.3-200.fc28.x86_64
> kernel-4.17.5-200.fc28.x86_64
> kernel-4.17.6-200.fc28.x86_64
> 
> Am I blind or is there something strange here?

It appears that you already have 4.17.6-200 kernel installed, and
you're asking to update it with the updates-testing repo enabled
(which has the same RPM). Thus it can't update as it's already there.

Had you used "reinstall", that might work. If you're trying to get the
4.17.7-200 kernel, that's in koji, not updates-testing.
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dnf wierdness

2018-07-18 Thread Neal Becker

sudo dnf --enablerepo=updates-testing update kernel
...
Dependencies resolved.

 Problem: cannot install both kernel-4.17.6-200.fc28.x86_64 and 
kernel-4.17.6-200.fc28.x86_64
  - cannot install the best update candidate for package 
kernel-4.17.6-200.fc28.x86_64
  - cannot install the best update candidate for package 
kernel-4.17.3-200.fc28.x86_64

 Package   Arch  Version   
Repository  Size

Reinstalling:
 kernelx86_644.17.6-200.fc28   updates-
testing 96 k

Transaction Summary


Total download size: 96 k
Is this ok [y/N]: n
Operation aborted.
[nbecker@nbecker2 scma-ofdm-nr]$ rpm -q kernel
kernel-4.17.3-200.fc28.x86_64
kernel-4.17.5-200.fc28.x86_64
kernel-4.17.6-200.fc28.x86_64

Am I blind or is there something strange here?
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Re: System hung over night

2018-07-18 Thread SternData

On 07/15/2018 07:30 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> When I woke up this morning  at 5:30 to head to the airport, I heard my
> system fan going at full speed.  I tried to log in to the locked system,
> but no response.  I had to power cycle.  Looking back in messages, the
> last messages were right after 4am:
> 
> # grep "Jul 15 04" messages
> Jul 15 04:01:01 lx121e audit[6374]: USER_ACCT pid=6374 uid=0
> auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295
> subj=system_u:system_r:crond_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 msg='op=PAM:accounting
> grantors=pam_access,pam_unix,pam_localuser acct="rgm"
> exe="/usr/sbin/crond" hostname=? addr=? terminal=cron res=success'
> Jul 15 04:01:01 lx121e audit[6374]: CRED_ACQ pid=6374 uid=0
> auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295
> subj=system_u:system_r:crond_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 msg='op=PAM:setcred
> grantors=pam_env,pam_localuser,pam_unix acct="rgm" exe="/usr/sbin/crond"
> hostname=? addr=? terminal=cron res=success'
> Jul 15 04:01:02 lx121e systemd[1]: Started Session 5 of user rgm.
> Jul 15 04:01:02 lx121e audit[6374]: USER_START pid=6374 uid=0 auid=1000
> ses=5 subj=system_u:system_r:crond_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023
> msg='op=PAM:session_open
> grantors=pam_loginuid,pam_keyinit,pam_limits,pam_systemd acct="rgm"
> exe="/usr/sbin/crond" hostname=? addr=? terminal=cron res=success'
> Jul 15 04:01:02 lx121e audit[6374]: CRED_REFR pid=6374 uid=0 auid=1000
> ses=5 subj=system_u:system_r:crond_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 msg='op=PAM:setcred
> grantors=pam_env,pam_localuser,pam_unix acct="rgm" exe="/usr/sbin/crond"
> hostname=? addr=? terminal=cron res=success'
> 
> And then nothing until the restart.  Any recommendations on where to dig
> to guess at what caused this?
> 
> Last night I had done an update and had rebooted the system, so it was a
> fresh boot, but with all my processes running.
> 
> thanks
> 

Tried 4.17.6, but still have the problem.  Back on 4.17.3


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Re: Which is better? Microsoft Exchange 2016 or Linux-based SMTP Servers?

2018-07-18 Thread Rick Stevens

On 07/18/2018 10:10 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2018 15:07:50 +
> Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> 
>> Does Exchange 2016 offer more user-friendly features or Linux-based
>> SMTP servers?
> 
> The user controlled mail filtering in exchange is so pitiful that
> it is useless. I run my own postfix/dovecot/fetchmail setup on my
> desktop specifically to suck mail off the office365 server my company
> uses and provide it to my linux mail client via dovecot so I can
> use the dovecot sieve filtering.

For the most part, Exchange acts as an MTA and MDA server. It does have
a webmail interface that can be used as a user interface. For the most
part, the "user-friendly" bits are really on the MUA (mail user agent)
side (like Outlook, Thunderbird, etc.).

One really needs to understand how email works (MTA, MDA, MUA and so on)
to see where things go:

MTAs (Mail Transport Agents):
Sendmail, Postfix, Exchange, exim

MDAs (Mail Delivery Agents):
Dovecot, fetchmail, Outlook (fetch operations)

MUAs (Mail User Agents):
Outlook, Evolution, Thunderbird, mutt, pine, elm, mail,
mailx, MANY others

A user is going to interface with the MUA for the most part, so that's
where "user-friendly" is important and different MUAs offer different
look-and-feel characteristics. The MTA and MDA parts are normally
managed by the email administrator and really don't affect the user
experience (unless the MDA doesn't do something the user wants such as
supporting a MUA protocol like POP3 or IMAP or filtering appropriately).

I used to manage our email services for over 10K users. We used a load
balanced cluster of servers for sendmail as the MTA. Another cluster
provided MDA services via dovecot. Individual MUAs would talk to the
dovecot cluster for pickup and the MTA cluster for sending.

We did provide yet another cluster for webmail services using the Horde
suite (Imp, Kronolith, Turba, Nag). Squirrelmail is very similar to the
Horde suite and appears to be a bit easier to manage. All of the
clusters used a shared filesystem (Ibrix, which is now HP's StoreAll
system) so everything was consistent. You can do the same using NFS,
Gluster or some other shared filesystem.

Everything (except Ibrix) was FOSS, and once set up, really wasn't hard
to manage on a daily basis. Obviously, setting it up did take some
knowledge of how the whole thing worked, so it may not be for newbies.

Note that at the time I did this (geeze, like 15 years ago), things like
Gmail, Office 365 and many of the other cloud-based email systems did
not exist. We had to roll our own. Would I do it again? If we needed
complete control of things or our email requirements grew to a similar
number of "seats" that made a commercial product too expensive, yes.
I have the experience so it's not that daunting to me, but it's not
something I'd necessarily relish revisiting.

YMMV. Offer void where prohibited. Batteries not included. All of the
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Re: Which is better? Microsoft Exchange 2016 or Linux-based SMTP Servers?

2018-07-18 Thread Tom Horsley

On Wed, 18 Jul 2018 15:07:50 +
Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:

> Does Exchange 2016 offer more user-friendly features or Linux-based
> SMTP servers?

The user controlled mail filtering in exchange is so pitiful that
it is useless. I run my own postfix/dovecot/fetchmail setup on my
desktop specifically to suck mail off the office365 server my company
uses and provide it to my linux mail client via dovecot so I can
use the dovecot sieve filtering.
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Re: Which is better? Microsoft Exchange 2016 or Linux-based SMTP Servers?

On Wed, 2018-07-18 at 16:05 +, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
wrote:
> Strange.
> 
> 
> When I download Exchange from official Microsoft website and installed it in 
> Windows Server Evaluation Copy, it never asked me to key in product key or 
> ask me to pay for any license fees.

[Again, don't top-post please]

An *Evaluation Copy* is just what it says. You can't use it for
production.

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Re: Which is better? Microsoft Exchange 2016 or Linux-based SMTP Servers?

Strange.

When I download Exchange from official Microsoft website and installed it in 
Windows Server Evaluation Copy, it never asked me to key in product key or ask 
me to pay for any license fees.

From: Gary Stainburn 
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 12:02 AM
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: Which is better? Microsoft Exchange 2016 or Linux-based SMTP 
Servers?

On Wednesday 18 July 2018 16:58:42 Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> You mean I have to pay for using Exchange as well, in addition to Windows
> Server?
>
>
> What is seat-based licensing cost?

Exchange, both on-premis and O365 is based on a per user license, payable to
Microsoft.

This is on top of the cost of Windows Server, etc.
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Re: Which is better? Microsoft Exchange 2016 or Linux-based SMTP Servers?

2018-07-18 Thread Dave Ihnat

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 03:58:42PM +, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> You mean I have to pay for using Exchange as well, in addition to
> Windows Server?

Yes.  You have four sets of licenses to purchase:

 o Windows Server 2016 Std base license.  One-time fee, somewhere around $600.

 o Windows Server 2016 User or Device CALs.  You have to decide which to
   buy (usually User CALs).  Come in packs of 1,5,10.  The prices vary
   based on from whom you buy, a bit less per CAL in the larger packs, but
   figure it's between $110-$130/CAL.

 o Exchange On-Premises.  Runs about $550 street, comes with 5 Exchange CALs.

 o Exchange CALs.  Not to be confused with Server CALs.  These run about
   $90-$100/ea.

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Re: Which is better? Microsoft Exchange 2016 or Linux-based SMTP Servers?

Thank you!

Now I know I can use webmin to configure SMTP, POP3 and IMAP servers.

From: Dave Ihnat 
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:45 PM
To: Community support for Fedora users
Cc: Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
Subject: Re: Which is better? Microsoft Exchange 2016 or Linux-based SMTP 
Servers?

While this is slightly generic, is is applicable here.

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 03:07:50PM +, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> I am torn between deploying Microsoft Exchange 2016 and Linux-based
> SMTP servers like sendmail, postfix, qmail and exim.

It very much depends on your existing user base.  If one exists and it is
used to using Exchange for interoperation (e.g., shared calendars), even
though we can find an equivalent for Linux, they won't be happy because
it's not "how it works now".

> Relative ease of installation and configuration is an important
> consideration factor.

Neither is brain-dead easy to install and configure, although after doing
both for years, I still think the Exchange setup and interaction is more
(overly) complicated.

You can use "webmin" to assist in configuring Linux-based SMTP and IMAP/POP
services, which can reduce the pain.

> Microsoft Exchange 2016, Domain Controller, and Active Directory are
> relatively easy to install and configure.

Well...except you really should have two servers--one for Exchange, one as
your AD Domain Controller.  You could virtualize, of course.

> Linux-based SMTP servers are extremely difficult to install and
> configure and of course, extremely time-consuming.

With all due respect, what?  First, as mentioned, you can use "webmin" to
make the configuration for most simple configs close to automatic, as long
as you understand the concepts of smart hosting, mail relay denial, etc.
Plus there is a plethora of setup guides for both SMTP MTA (e.g., sendmail,
postfix, exim) and POP/IMAP (e.g., Dovecot).

Exchange Servers are time-consuming.  They have a proprietary configuration
and support environment that has a pretty steep learning curve.  Oh, and
don't forget the licensing down the road.

And have we mentioned that it does appear Microsoft wants to "kill off"
on-premises Exchange servers as much as possible, doing a full-court press
on (subscription) Office 365.

> One of the features of Microsoft Exchange 2016 is that you can create
> additional folders on your Inbox in the server (server-side). Can
> Linux-based SMTP servers do that?

Purely a MUA and/or IMAP hosting issue.

> Does Exchange 2016 offer more user-friendly features or Linux-based
> SMTP servers?

Apples or oranges?  Of course there's a bias here in favor of Linux-based
MTAs and MUAs.

> Besides the above considerations, how about security? Traditionally,
> Linux is far more secure than Windows.

An Exchange server can be made reasonably secure.  It requires time
and work.  A good hardware firewall, of course.  Probably 3rd party
anti-spam and malware.

> Judging by security, Linux-based SMTP servers ought to have a higher
> percentage of the market share?

You would have to do research on that.  I believe it's a safe bet.

> Finally, I can only use Windows Server 2016 Standard Evaluation Copy
> FREE for a period of 3 years MAXIMUM. But I can use Linux servers and
> Mail Transport Agents (MTA) FREE perpetually.

Costs for running an Exchange server and AD DC are most assuredly non-zero.

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Re: Which is better? Microsoft Exchange 2016 or Linux-based SMTP Servers?

2018-07-18 Thread William Oliver

On Wed, 2018-07-18 at 15:15 +, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
wrote:
> Good evening from Singapore,
> 
> I am torn between deploying Microsoft Exchange 2016 and Linux-based
> SMTP servers like sendmail, postfix, qmail and exim.
> 
> Relative ease of installation and configuration is an important
> consideration factor.
> 
> [snip]

For my size of shop (about 100 users), linux works fine.  I don't know
what the answer is for huge shops that have to have distibuted systems
-- I've heard that's a lot more complicated, but have never done it.

As far as ease goes, it's like everything else.  If you are used to it
and comfortable with something, then it's "easier" and the learning
curve for doing something else makes it harder.  I have been setting up
linux mail and web servers for years, and it's a piece of cake for me. 
I set up an Exchange server last year, and I was ready to kill myself
after a few hours.  I have little doubt that someone who has years of
experience with Exchange servers and little experience with linux would
feel just the opposite.

It's like the old Windows/Linux conversation.  When people say "Linux
is hard" what they really mean is just "I'm used to Windows and Linux
isn't like Windows."  I used to maintain some Windows boxes back when
it was Windows 3.1, and up until the introduction of Windows 7, and
sort of kept up with it.  I sat down at a Windows 10 box the other day
and was all confused.  It was "hard" because it wasn't what I was used
to, and I didn't care to put in the effort to become competent again.

So, the real answer is that there's no such thing as a free lunch. 
There are tools to ease the hassles of setting up a linux mail server,
but really, there are so many tutorials on it out there that doing it
by hand isn't all that hard -- if you just do it.  I'm sure the same
thing is true with Exchange.

The real question for me, if I had to do it all over again, is if my
company isn't freaking huge, why host it myself anyway?  I'd be tempted
to use one of the many large email services and let them worry about
security, etc.  And, you know... "Cloud" is the thing nowadays.  Why
not?

If the answer to "why not" is because you want hands on control, and
you want absolute control over logs and backups and security, then that
would point to linux.   You can get in there and fiddle with all the
knobs and turn all the nuts on all the bolts.

If it was me, I'd see what my users needs were.  If they are all die-
hard Outlook and Microsoft365 users, then I'd go with Exchange.  I've
never integrated linux mail servers with Outlook and Microsoft365, but
it just doesn't sound like fun.  If the users are not Outlook people,
then I'd cobble together a linux system  - because I prefer a stick
shift to an automatic transmission.

billo
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F28 Wifi sends auth, authenticates, then association to AP rejected temporarily - bz 1599036

2018-07-18 Thread Chris Tatman

Has anyone run across an issue where their wireless with F28 cannot associate 
and get an IP from certain Access Points? I ran across the same behaviour 
reported in the following bug yesterday when trying to use the wifi connection 
in a vacation rental:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1599036
Wifi does not work on home connection with Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 with 
F28

System logs indicate that the wifi device is authentiacting, then for some 
reason the connection gets dropped by the AP:


88.580417] wlp3s0: deauthenticating from 88:cc:45:03:61:55 by local choice 
(Reason: 1=UNSPECIFIED)
[   88.604566] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlp3s0: link is not ready
[   90.436415] wlp3s0: authenticate with 88:cc:45:03:61:55
[   90.438575] wlp3s0: send auth to 88:cc:45:03:61:55 (try 1/3)
[   90.441887] wlp3s0: authenticated
[   90.442817] wlp3s0: associate with 88:cc:45:03:61:55 (try 1/3)
[   90.446632] wlp3s0: RX AssocResp from 88:cc:45:03:61:55 (capab=0x1411 
status=30 aid=1)
[   90.446635] wlp3s0: 88:cc:45:03:61:55 rejected association temporarily; 
comeback duration 672203520 TU (1141637 ms)
--

In my testing, I can associate with the router in my vacation rental if I 
disable encryption. But as soon as I re-enable ANY type of wpa security, I am 
no longer able to keep a connection and these same errors pop up in the logs 
again. Like the reporter of the bug, I am able to start up a hotspot on my 
android phone with wpa encryption, and I can succesfully connect to it. Could 
the Access Point itself be doing something 'weird' in the way that it enables 
WPA encryption?

I have not tried testing with WEP encryption yet. 

Thanks!

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Re: Which is better? Microsoft Exchange 2016 or Linux-based SMTP Servers?

On 07/18/2018 11:58 AM, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:

Hi,

You mean I have to pay for using Exchange as well, in addition to 
Windows Server?

And it is getting worst as MS moves to monthly service fee model. And 
schools are not given a summer vacation break on the monthly fees (at 
least my schools admin has not found the right people to talk to).

We say here in the US:  Cha-ching (the old mechanical cash registers)

What is seat-based licensing cost?

*From:* Patrick O'Callaghan 
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:54 PM
*To:* users@lists.fedoraproject.org
*Subject:* Re: Which is better? Microsoft Exchange 2016 or Linux-based 
SMTP Servers?

On Wed, 2018-07-18 at 15:15 +, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
wrote:
> Good evening from Singapore,
>
> I am torn between deploying Microsoft Exchange 2016 and Linux-based
> SMTP servers like sendmail, postfix, qmail and exim.
>
> Relative ease of installation and configuration is an important
> consideration factor.

You don't say anything about your user population, which may strongly
influence the right answer. Are they all Windows users, Linux users,
mixed?

> Microsoft Exchange 2016, Domain Controller, and Active Directory are
> relatively easy to install and configure. Linux-based SMTP servers are
> extremely difficult to install and configure and of course, extremely
> time-consuming.
>
> One of the features of Microsoft Exchange 2016 is that you can create
> additional folders on your Inbox in the server (server-side). Can
> Linux-based SMTP servers do that?

This has nothing to do with SMTP. SMTP is a mail transport protocol,
not a mail service protocol. Your question as stated doesn't really
make sense.

However, since you ask about server-side folders, the answer is to use
IMAP, which supports this directly. You can do this with Exchange, if
you're happy to run that, or with Cyrus, Dovecot and a number of other
Linux-based solutions. Note that if you run Exchange without enabling
IMAP support, you will limit the kind of MUAs (mail clients) your users
can use.

You should also note that Exchange has a seat-based licensing cost and
manages more than just email, e.g. calendaring, task management etc.
These can all be done on Linux as well, but usually with more setup for
the admin. Only you can know if that represents value in your use case.

> Does Exchange 2016 offer more user-friendly features or Linux-based
> SMTP servers?
>
> Besides the above considerations, how about security? Traditionally,
> Linux is far more secure than Windows.
>
> Judging by security, Linux-based SMTP servers ought to have a higher 
percentage of the market share?

What kind of security are you talking about? If you run Exchange it
means running a Windows server vs a Linux server for other options. I
guess most of us here would prefer a Linux server, but if you're
basically a Windows shop then you will know what is involved. As
regards email security per se, that's really much more dependent on
what your users are running.

poc
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Re: Which is better? Microsoft Exchange 2016 or Linux-based SMTP Servers?

On Wed, 2018-07-18 at 15:58 +, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
wrote:
> You mean I have to pay for using Exchange as well, in addition to Windows 
> Server?

[Please don't top-post replies]

Of course you do. Exchange is a separate product.

> What is seat-based licensing cost?

The cost of the license depends on the number of users it's meant to
support (not the same as the number who actually use it, just a cap on
the number of users you can have). There may also be a per-seat cost
for Windows Server but I haven't checked. Possibly you can get
Server+Exchange bundles for a single cost, but they will always be in
line with the maximum number of users.

poc
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Re: Which is better? Microsoft Exchange 2016 or Linux-based SMTP Servers?

2018-07-18 Thread Gary Stainburn

On Wednesday 18 July 2018 16:58:42 Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> You mean I have to pay for using Exchange as well, in addition to Windows
> Server?
>
>
> What is seat-based licensing cost?

Exchange, both on-premis and O365 is based on a per user license, payable to 
Microsoft.

This is on top of the cost of Windows Server, etc.
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Re: Which is better? Microsoft Exchange 2016 or Linux-based SMTP Servers?

Hi,

You mean I have to pay for using Exchange as well, in addition to Windows 
Server?

What is seat-based licensing cost?

From: Patrick O'Callaghan 
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:54 PM
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: Which is better? Microsoft Exchange 2016 or Linux-based SMTP 
Servers?

On Wed, 2018-07-18 at 15:15 +, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
wrote:
> Good evening from Singapore,
>
> I am torn between deploying Microsoft Exchange 2016 and Linux-based
> SMTP servers like sendmail, postfix, qmail and exim.
>
> Relative ease of installation and configuration is an important
> consideration factor.

You don't say anything about your user population, which may strongly
influence the right answer. Are they all Windows users, Linux users,
mixed?

> Microsoft Exchange 2016, Domain Controller, and Active Directory are
> relatively easy to install and configure. Linux-based SMTP servers are
> extremely difficult to install and configure and of course, extremely
> time-consuming.
>
> One of the features of Microsoft Exchange 2016 is that you can create
> additional folders on your Inbox in the server (server-side). Can
> Linux-based SMTP servers do that?

This has nothing to do with SMTP. SMTP is a mail transport protocol,
not a mail service protocol. Your question as stated doesn't really
make sense.

However, since you ask about server-side folders, the answer is to use
IMAP, which supports this directly. You can do this with Exchange, if
you're happy to run that, or with Cyrus, Dovecot and a number of other
Linux-based solutions. Note that if you run Exchange without enabling
IMAP support, you will limit the kind of MUAs (mail clients) your users
can use.

You should also note that Exchange has a seat-based licensing cost and
manages more than just email, e.g. calendaring, task management etc.
These can all be done on Linux as well, but usually with more setup for
the admin. Only you can know if that represents value in your use case.

> Does Exchange 2016 offer more user-friendly features or Linux-based
> SMTP servers?
>
> Besides the above considerations, how about security? Traditionally,
> Linux is far more secure than Windows.
>
> Judging by security, Linux-based SMTP servers ought to have a higher 
> percentage of the market share?

What kind of security are you talking about? If you run Exchange it
means running a Windows server vs a Linux server for other options. I
guess most of us here would prefer a Linux server, but if you're
basically a Windows shop then you will know what is involved. As
regards email security per se, that's really much more dependent on
what your users are running.

poc
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Re: Which is better? Microsoft Exchange 2016 or Linux-based SMTP Servers?

On Wed, 2018-07-18 at 15:15 +, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
wrote:
> Good evening from Singapore,
> 
> I am torn between deploying Microsoft Exchange 2016 and Linux-based
> SMTP servers like sendmail, postfix, qmail and exim.
> 
> Relative ease of installation and configuration is an important
> consideration factor.

You don't say anything about your user population, which may strongly
influence the right answer. Are they all Windows users, Linux users,
mixed?

> Microsoft Exchange 2016, Domain Controller, and Active Directory are
> relatively easy to install and configure. Linux-based SMTP servers are
> extremely difficult to install and configure and of course, extremely
> time-consuming.
> 
> One of the features of Microsoft Exchange 2016 is that you can create
> additional folders on your Inbox in the server (server-side). Can
> Linux-based SMTP servers do that?

This has nothing to do with SMTP. SMTP is a mail transport protocol,
not a mail service protocol. Your question as stated doesn't really
make sense.

However, since you ask about server-side folders, the answer is to use
IMAP, which supports this directly. You can do this with Exchange, if
you're happy to run that, or with Cyrus, Dovecot and a number of other
Linux-based solutions. Note that if you run Exchange without enabling
IMAP support, you will limit the kind of MUAs (mail clients) your users
can use.

You should also note that Exchange has a seat-based licensing cost and
manages more than just email, e.g. calendaring, task management etc.
These can all be done on Linux as well, but usually with more setup for
the admin. Only you can know if that represents value in your use case.

> Does Exchange 2016 offer more user-friendly features or Linux-based
> SMTP servers?
> 
> Besides the above considerations, how about security? Traditionally,
> Linux is far more secure than Windows.
> 
> Judging by security, Linux-based SMTP servers ought to have a higher 
> percentage of the market share?

What kind of security are you talking about? If you run Exchange it
means running a Windows server vs a Linux server for other options. I
guess most of us here would prefer a Linux server, but if you're
basically a Windows shop then you will know what is involved. As
regards email security per se, that's really much more dependent on
what your users are running.

poc
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Re: Which is better? Microsoft Exchange 2016 or Linux-based SMTP Servers?

2018-07-18 Thread Dave Ihnat

While this is slightly generic, is is applicable here.

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 03:07:50PM +, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> I am torn between deploying Microsoft Exchange 2016 and Linux-based
> SMTP servers like sendmail, postfix, qmail and exim.

It very much depends on your existing user base.  If one exists and it is
used to using Exchange for interoperation (e.g., shared calendars), even
though we can find an equivalent for Linux, they won't be happy because
it's not "how it works now".

> Relative ease of installation and configuration is an important
> consideration factor.

Neither is brain-dead easy to install and configure, although after doing
both for years, I still think the Exchange setup and interaction is more
(overly) complicated.

You can use "webmin" to assist in configuring Linux-based SMTP and IMAP/POP
services, which can reduce the pain.

> Microsoft Exchange 2016, Domain Controller, and Active Directory are
> relatively easy to install and configure.

Well...except you really should have two servers--one for Exchange, one as
your AD Domain Controller.  You could virtualize, of course.

> Linux-based SMTP servers are extremely difficult to install and
> configure and of course, extremely time-consuming.

With all due respect, what?  First, as mentioned, you can use "webmin" to
make the configuration for most simple configs close to automatic, as long
as you understand the concepts of smart hosting, mail relay denial, etc.
Plus there is a plethora of setup guides for both SMTP MTA (e.g., sendmail,
postfix, exim) and POP/IMAP (e.g., Dovecot).

Exchange Servers are time-consuming.  They have a proprietary configuration
and support environment that has a pretty steep learning curve.  Oh, and
don't forget the licensing down the road.

And have we mentioned that it does appear Microsoft wants to "kill off"
on-premises Exchange servers as much as possible, doing a full-court press
on (subscription) Office 365.

> One of the features of Microsoft Exchange 2016 is that you can create
> additional folders on your Inbox in the server (server-side). Can
> Linux-based SMTP servers do that?

Purely a MUA and/or IMAP hosting issue.

> Does Exchange 2016 offer more user-friendly features or Linux-based
> SMTP servers?

Apples or oranges?  Of course there's a bias here in favor of Linux-based
MTAs and MUAs.

> Besides the above considerations, how about security? Traditionally,
> Linux is far more secure than Windows.

An Exchange server can be made reasonably secure.  It requires time
and work.  A good hardware firewall, of course.  Probably 3rd party
anti-spam and malware.

> Judging by security, Linux-based SMTP servers ought to have a higher
> percentage of the market share?

You would have to do research on that.  I believe it's a safe bet.

> Finally, I can only use Windows Server 2016 Standard Evaluation Copy
> FREE for a period of 3 years MAXIMUM. But I can use Linux servers and
> Mail Transport Agents (MTA) FREE perpetually.

Costs for running an Exchange server and AD DC are most assuredly non-zero.

G'luck,
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Re: Which is better? Microsoft Exchange 2016 or Linux-based SMTP Servers?

2018-07-18 Thread Gary Stainburn

On Wednesday 18 July 2018 16:15:15 Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> Good evening from Singapore,
>
> I am torn between deploying Microsoft Exchange 2016 and Linux-based
> SMTP servers like sendmail, postfix, qmail and exim.
>
> Relative ease of installation and configuration is an important
> consideration factor.

The first and probably main question is what is the experience and expertise 
of the people who will maintain the system. If they are mainly a MS house, 
then MS is probably the way to go.  Likewise for Linux.
>
> Microsoft Exchange 2016, Domain Controller, and Active Directory are
> relatively easy to install and configure. 

MS products tend to have nice and friendly GUI front ends. However, they're 
only nice and friendly if you agree with their design style.  I'm the Office 
365 administrator for our company, and I often find that I can't find the 
feature that I need because it's not where I expect it to be.  Admittedly, 
this is probably because I don't use it often enough.

> Linux-based SMTP servers are 
> extremely difficult to install and configure and of course, extremely
> time-consuming.

Linux servers are a bit of a faf to set up initially, especially as each 
element is separate from the rest. PAM is usually set up out of the box, but 
you have to configure EXIM, DOVECOT, CLAMAV, SPAMASSASSIN etc. one at a time.

However, this is only done once as an install. Then on a day-to-day basis,it's 
just a case of updating user details, and you can use scripts for this.

>
> One of the features of Microsoft Exchange 2016 is that you can create
> additional folders on your Inbox in the server (server-side). Can
> Linux-based SMTP servers do that?

This can be done if you're using IMAP, which will probably be using the 
DOVECOT service. It also depends on which email client you use.

>
> Does Exchange 2016 offer more user-friendly features or Linux-based
> SMTP servers?

Using Exchange limits the choice of email client compared to Linux. After 
that, it's mainly down to the capabilities of the email client.
>
> Besides the above considerations, how about security? Traditionally,
> Linux is far more secure than Windows.

Both Windows and Linux are secure if set up correctly. Linux, probably more 
so, but I'm no expert.  The key to having secure MS servers is to not allow 
user near them.

>
> Judging by security, Linux-based SMTP servers ought to have a higher
> percentage of the market share?
>
> Finally, I can only use Windows Server 2016 Standard Evaluation Copy FREE
> for a period of 3 years MAXIMUM. But I can use Linux servers and Mail
> Transport Agents (MTA) FREE perpetually.

Yes, all of the stuff you would need for a Linux email server are free as in 
beer.

If you do go down the Linux route, you could consider looking at systems / 
packages / hosted servers designed as email servers out of the box. This 
would reduce the amount of work requiired to get them working

>
> Please advise.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
>
>
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Re: Which is better? Microsoft Exchange 2016 or Linux-based SMTP Servers?

If you want a fairly well packaged Linux Microsoft alternative, check
out ClearOS which is Centos based.

I use it, but then my needs are rather small.

On 07/18/2018 11:07 AM, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:

Good evening from Singapore,

I am torn between deploying Microsoft Exchange 2016 and Linux-based
SMTP servers like sendmail, postfix, qmail and exim.

Relative ease of installation and configuration is an important
consideration factor.

Microsoft Exchange 2016, Domain Controller, and Active Directory are
relatively easy to install and configure. Linux-based SMTP servers are
extremely difficult to install and configure and of course, extremely
time-consuming.

One of the features of Microsoft Exchange 2016 is that you can create
additional folders on your Inbox in the server (server-side). Can
Linux-based SMTP servers do that?

Does Exchange 2016 offer more user-friendly features or Linux-based
SMTP servers?

Besides the above considerations, how about security? Traditionally,
Linux is far more secure than Windows.

Judging by security, Linux-based SMTP servers ought to have a higher
percentage of the market share?

Finally, I can only use Windows Server 2016 Standard Evaluation Copy
FREE for a period of 3 years MAXIMUM. But I can use Linux servers and
Mail Transport Agents (MTA) FREE perpetually.

Please advise.

Thank you very much.

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Which is better? Microsoft Exchange 2016 or Linux-based SMTP Servers?

Good evening from Singapore,

I am torn between deploying Microsoft Exchange 2016 and Linux-based
SMTP servers like sendmail, postfix, qmail and exim.

Relative ease of installation and configuration is an important
consideration factor.

One of the features of Microsoft Exchange 2016 is that you can create
additional folders on your Inbox in the server (server-side). Can
Linux-based SMTP servers do that?

Does Exchange 2016 offer more user-friendly features or Linux-based
SMTP servers?

Besides the above considerations, how about security? Traditionally,
Linux is far more secure than Windows.

Judging by security, Linux-based SMTP servers ought to have a higher percentage
of the market share?

Finally, I can only use Windows Server 2016 Standard Evaluation Copy FREE for a
period of 3 years MAXIMUM. But I can use Linux servers and Mail Transport
Agents (MTA) FREE perpetually.

Please advise.

Thank you very much.

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[2] http://tdtemcerts.blogspot.sg/

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Which is better? Microsoft Exchange 2016 or Linux-based SMTP Servers?

Good evening from Singapore,

I am torn between deploying Microsoft Exchange 2016 and Linux-based
SMTP servers like sendmail, postfix, qmail and exim.

Relative ease of installation and configuration is an important
consideration factor.

One of the features of Microsoft Exchange 2016 is that you can create
additional folders on your Inbox in the server (server-side). Can
Linux-based SMTP servers do that?

Does Exchange 2016 offer more user-friendly features or Linux-based
SMTP servers?

Besides the above considerations, how about security? Traditionally,
Linux is far more secure than Windows.

Judging by security, Linux-based SMTP servers ought to have a higher percentage
of the market share?

Finally, I can only use Windows Server 2016 Standard Evaluation Copy FREE for a
period of 3 years MAXIMUM. But I can use Linux servers and Mail Transport
Agents (MTA) FREE perpetually.

Please advise.

Thank you very much.

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Re: Not - Re: Fixed? - Re: F28 suspend to RAM seems to be broken




On 07/18/2018 10:48 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 07/18/18 22:18, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 07/18/18 22:00, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

Locked up on suspending on leaving my room for breakfast.  Just rebooted and I 
will
file a bug report on this.

Back to the 17.3 kernel for now.  :(

As I mentioned elsewhere, the 17.7 kernel may resolve some thorny issues.

It isn't yet in updates-testing but it has been built in koji.

https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1128121

if you're adventurist.
  

FWIW, I just installed 17.7 from koji on my old Acer laptop and it runs just 
fine.

Also, I still think it is a good idea to try suspending by writing to
/sys/power/state instead of using the GUI since the GUI does run some scripts or
something.  For example, if I use the GUI in KDE I will be asked to 
authenticate when
restoring.  Not so for writing the file.


I am going to ask on the Xfce list who the action button system tray 
widget's suspend is controlled.  I do not see it in any of the tweaks tools.


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Re: Not - Re: Fixed? - Re: F28 suspend to RAM seems to be broken

2018-07-18 Thread Ed Greshko

On 07/18/18 22:18, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 07/18/18 22:00, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>> Locked up on suspending on leaving my room for breakfast.  Just rebooted and 
>> I will
>> file a bug report on this.
>>
>> Back to the 17.3 kernel for now.  :(
>
> As I mentioned elsewhere, the 17.7 kernel may resolve some thorny issues.
>
> It isn't yet in updates-testing but it has been built in koji.
>
> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1128121
>
> if you're adventurist.
>  

FWIW, I just installed 17.7 from koji on my old Acer laptop and it runs just 
fine.

Also, I still think it is a good idea to try suspending by writing to
/sys/power/state instead of using the GUI since the GUI does run some scripts or
something.  For example, if I use the GUI in KDE I will be asked to 
authenticate when
restoring.  Not so for writing the file.

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Re: Not - Re: Fixed? - Re: F28 suspend to RAM seems to be broken

I just filed *Bug 1602808* 



On 07/18/2018 10:18 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 07/18/18 22:00, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

Locked up on suspending on leaving my room for breakfast.  Just rebooted and I 
will
file a bug report on this.

Back to the 17.3 kernel for now.  :(


As I mentioned elsewhere, the 17.7 kernel may resolve some thorny issues.


17.6 that came out yesterday did not fix it.  I will wait to hear from 
the bugs people or until .7 comes out.  If .7 does not fix it, I will 
have to up my max kernels higher than 5!



It isn't yet in updates-testing but it has been built in koji.

https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1128121

if you're adventurist.


I *am* suppose to be working in the various sessions.  In ANIMA right 
now.  I2NSF this afternoon PMI, then either IPSECME or STIR for the PMII 
slot.  IETF is a very busy time for me.


A reboot costs me real time to get everything rest, and running in the 
right workspace.  How I justify Linux...


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Re: Not - Re: Fixed? - Re: F28 suspend to RAM seems to be broken

2018-07-18 Thread Ed Greshko

On 07/18/18 22:00, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> Locked up on suspending on leaving my room for breakfast.  Just rebooted and 
> I will
> file a bug report on this.
>
> Back to the 17.3 kernel for now.  :(


As I mentioned elsewhere, the 17.7 kernel may resolve some thorny issues.

It isn't yet in updates-testing but it has been built in koji.

https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1128121

if you're adventurist.
 
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fact.



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