Re: how do I run a local widows of a program in a VM?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 4/14/19 6:51 PM, Seth Kenlon wrote:

x20go is able to run floating windows from Windows and Linux VMs. That
said, I've only ever been a user of x2go, and have never set it up
myself.


Can you use it for remote support?  Can both see the same screen?
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Re: how do I run a local widows of a program in a VM?

[Seth Kenlon]

x20go is able to run floating windows from Windows and Linux VMs. That
said, I've only ever been a user of x2go, and have never set it up
myself.

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 12:18 PM Samuel Sieb  wrote:
>
> On 4/14/19 3:44 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> > On 4/14/19 3:54 AM, George N. White III wrote:
> >>
> >> spice .   Configure the display to use
> >> spice and install a spice
> >> client on the host.
> >
> > Hi George,
> >
> > Or just virt-viewer like on my other VM's
>
> virt-viewer by default uses the spice protocol.
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Re: Modem/Router/Router -

[Tim via users]

Samuel Sieb:
>> If you can't disable the wifi on the modem, then you can just
>> ignore it.  Connect the WAN port on your router to the ethernet
>> port on the modem.  You end up with double NAT, but it should still
>> work. 


Bob Goodwin:
> Yeah, I think it's a poor design for the application, I found no way
> to shut it off.

It's usually called bridge mode.  You could see if there's a factory
reset option, then see if there's a guided set-up process that asks you
what mode it will operate in.

Another option could be to set up a DMZ on their router pointing to
yours.  NB:  Your router absolutely must be between them and the rest
of your LAN.

> We have been connecting to the WAN on my router. All they have is
> what appears to be two identical Ethernet portss on the modem-router, 
> both seem to work for conncting my Ethernet LAN. However I have not
> been able to pass that data through my router to the LAN or the 
> wifi signal. Their wifi signal is what the iPhone and iPads are
> using now ... I may be doing something wrong in the security
> configuration?

Did they set up their equipment's SSID with the same name as your own? 
If so, that'll make it harder for you to manually select yours.  Try
renaming your own SSID, and select the newly named WiFi network.

Another issue will be the networking addresses.  e.g. If their
equipment uses the 192.168.0.0-255 range, then change yours to use
another range, such as 192.168.1.0-255, or 10.0.0.0-255.

NAT through NAT *can* work with them both set using the same network,
but it's asking for trouble, something's highly likely to get confused.

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Re: Modem/Router/Router -

[fred roller]

>
> As mentioned, my solution has been to log into to their router, change to
> bridged (usually had a simple pass through setting), then built my own
> network. Should kill the WiFi at that point as well if memory serves me
> right.
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Re: Modem/Router/Router -

[Tim via users]

Tim:
>> If you did things like SSH in from the outside world, or accept
>> other incoming connections, then you will strike problems.  Their
>> equipment would act as a firewall.  That's why people say put it
>> into bridge mode, then it's virtually transparent.

Joe Zeff:
> You should be able to tell the router to forward incoming SSH to one
> IP address, and set that machine to have a static IP and only get DNS
> from DHCP.  I know, because I had my home LAN set up that way for
> over a decade and it worked like a charm.

If he's stuck with having to use their modem/router, and it's not good
enough for his purposes and needs to use his own router, as well.  Then
he's got two choices for allowing incoming connections (if he even
wants to do that):

1. Put their modem/router in bridge mode, where it acts as a pipe
between ISP and his own router.  It won't do anything to traffic going
through, he can control everything on his own router.

2. Daisy chain his own router with theirs, have double NAT, have to
forward things through their router, and forward things through his own
router, as well.  That's messy, annoying, and problematic with certain
protocols.

=

Here, in Australia, many ISPs supply you with their preconfigured
modem/router, and make you pay for it upfront, or amortise it across an
enforced contract period.  Quite often, you don't really need their
equipment, but some ISPs won't let you avoid it.  Some of them, like my
ISP, bastardise the thing so you only have limited control over it. 
And they remotely control the firmware.  Ostensibly, that's so they can
keep it up-to-date regarding bugs.  But they also remove features that
you might actually want.

I don't beleive Bob's said what particular modem/router he's been
lumbered with, to see if anyone can offer some direct advice.

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Re: Modem/Router/Router -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/14/19 3:41 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:

On 04/14/19 17:38, Samuel Sieb wrote:


If you can't disable the wifi on the modem, then you can just ignore 
it.  Connect the WAN port on your router to the ethernet port on the 
modem.  You end up with double NAT, but it should still work. 

.
Yeah, I think it's a poor design for the application, I found no way to 
shut it off. We have been connecting to the WAN on my router. All they 
have is what appears to be two identical Ethernet portss on the 
modem-router, both seem to work for conncting my Ethernet LAN. However I 
have not been able to pass that data through my router to the LAN or the 
wifi signal. Their wifi signal is what the iPhone and iPads are using 
now ... I may be doing something wrong in the security configuration?


You could turn off dhcp on your router and then connect through the LAN 
ports, but that's not what your original email indicated that you wanted.
Connect only the WAN port on your router to one of the ethernet ports on 
the modem.  Leave the rest of your network connected to your router the 
same way it was before.  As long as you aren't trying to connect in from 
outside, it's almost the same as it was.

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Re: Modem/Router/Router -

[Joe Zeff]

On 04/14/2019 06:00 PM, Tim via users wrote:

If you did things like SSH in from the outside world, or accept other
incoming connections, then you will strike problems.  Their equipment
would act as a firewall.  That's why people say put it into bridge
mode, then it's virtually transparent.


You should be able to tell the router to forward incoming SSH to one IP 
address, and set that machine to have a static IP and only get DNS from 
DHCP.  I know, because I had my home LAN set up that way for over a 
decade and it worked like a charm.

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Re: how do I run a local widows of a program in a VM?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/14/19 3:44 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 4/14/19 3:54 AM, George N. White III wrote:


spice .   Configure the display to use 
spice and install a spice

client on the host.


Hi George,

Or just virt-viewer like on my other VM's


virt-viewer by default uses the spice protocol.
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Re: Modem/Router/Router -

[Tim via users]

On Sun, 2019-04-14 at 17:12 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> The problem is feeding their router data through my DD-WRT router.
> An ethernet port is provided which they claim work but provide no 
> information for doing so. They sent a "technician" a few days ago and
> he knew nothing more about it than I do except he assured me it
> should work but did not know how to set up both routers, tried what
> he could for an hour and said if you can't make it work and call for
> help, tell them to send someone else ...

Seriously?  They couldn't do such a simple thing?  Such complete
incompetance with a so-called tech.

Unless they've done something goofy with their hardware, it should be
easily doable just as others have said on here (put your router between
their equipment and yours, WAN side of your router facing the service
provider).  That's a two-minute job.

It's not the ideal situation, but should work without doing anything
more than cable patching.  And things should continue to work within
your LAN the same as it always did.

If you did things like SSH in from the outside world, or accept other
incoming connections, then you will strike problems.  Their equipment
would act as a firewall.  That's why people say put it into bridge
mode, then it's virtually transparent.

If you wonder whether their ethernet port is working, in itself, just
connect one of your computers directly to it, and check.
 
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Re: Modem/Router/Router -

[Cameron Simpson]

On 14Apr2019 18:41, Bob Goodwin  wrote:

On 04/14/19 17:38, Samuel Sieb wrote:
If you can't disable the wifi on the modem, then you can just ignore 
it.  Connect the WAN port on your router to the ethernet port on the 
modem.  You end up with double NAT, but it should still work.

.
Yeah, I think it's a poor design for the application, I found no way 
to shut it off. We have been connecting to the WAN on my router. All 
they have is what appears to be two identical Ethernet portss on the 
modem-router, both seem to work for conncting my Ethernet LAN. However 
I have not been able to pass that data through my router to the LAN or 
the wifi signal. Their wifi signal is what the iPhone and iPads are 
using now ... I may be doing something wrong in the security 
configuration?


We do what you're wanting. Ignoring, for now, turning off the wifi on 
their router, we run our own firewall inside the ISP router(s). If 
nothing else it gives us complete control, and makes us ISP tech 
agnostic.


Our setup also has two distinct DHCP arrangements, because we've got two 
ISPs.


Our setup is like this:

 sat-modem <-> FW <-> 4G-modem
   ^
   |
   V
   LAN

Hoping you're using a fixed width font here :-) All though arrows are 
ethernet cables.


Our firewall runs OpenBSD (I will use PF instead of iptables any day), 
but anything good will do.


On the satellite side the firewall runs DHCP - it always gets the same 
address but the DHCP is part of the link setup at the far end - it has 
to happen or their switching doesn't start routing stuff.  And on the 
satellite side we run NAT on our ourbound traffic - the ISP gives us a 
private address and our own LAN addresses are of course meaningless to 
them. Of course, since the ISP gives us a private address they also run 
NAT at their end. It all works fine.


On the 4G side the firewall runs a static address to the 4G modem, which 
is your conventional local-ethetnet+wifi device - we run that as a 
distinct subnet. Because the 4G modem itself does NAT, we don't bother 
NATing on the 4G FW interface - it is a plain static route direct from 
the interface setup. We don't need to NAT on the FW because we own the 
4g modem interior net.


We run our own wifi network inside attached to the "LAN" above; the FW 
provides the DHCP; we just use an Airport in bridge mode.


Cheers,
Cameron Simpson 
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Re: Modem/Router/Router -

[Fred Smith]

On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 06:41:14PM -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> 
> 
> On 04/14/19 17:38, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> >
> >If you can't disable the wifi on the modem, then you can just
> >ignore it.  Connect the WAN port on your router to the ethernet
> >port on the modem.  You end up with double NAT, but it should
> >still work.
> .
> Yeah, I think it's a poor design for the application, I found no way
> to shut it off. We have been connecting to the WAN on my router. All
> they have is what appears to be two identical Ethernet portss on the
> modem-router, both seem to work for conncting my Ethernet LAN.
> However I have not been able to pass that data through my router to
> the LAN or the wifi signal. Their wifi signal is what the iPhone and
> iPads are using now ... I may be doing something wrong in the
> security configuration?

Presumably, their router is pre-configured to use dhcp, so when
wiring your router to theirs, yours should be c onfigured to use
dhcp on the WAN side. I've seen this done before and it works fine
in those cases.

As for disablinig the wifi on their router, if you can't log into
it from the wired lan, maybe you can detach its wifi antenna?

Good luck!

Fred

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Re: how do I run a local widows of a program in a VM?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 4/14/19 3:54 AM, George N. White III wrote:


spice .   Configure the display to use 
spice and install a spice

client on the host.


Hi George,

Or just virt-viewer like on my other VM's

Question, does Spice allow you to see what the user sees or is
it a separate window?  I am asking as I am also looking for
a way to do remote assistance on Linux (Fedora).

I pay for Go To Assist, but they have ignored my and other's
requests for Linux support for years.  I have to fire up
a stinkin' Windwos 7 VM to user it.

-T

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Re: Modem/Router/Router -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 04/14/19 17:38, Samuel Sieb wrote:


If you can't disable the wifi on the modem, then you can just ignore 
it.  Connect the WAN port on your router to the ethernet port on the 
modem.  You end up with double NAT, but it should still work. 

.
Yeah, I think it's a poor design for the application, I found no way to 
shut it off. We have been connecting to the WAN on my router. All they 
have is what appears to be two identical Ethernet portss on the 
modem-router, both seem to work for conncting my Ethernet LAN. However I 
have not been able to pass that data through my router to the LAN or the 
wifi signal. Their wifi signal is what the iPhone and iPads are using 
now ... I may be doing something wrong in the security configuration?


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Re: wxbanker?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 4/14/19 2:38 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:



On 04/14/19 01:12, Joe Zeff wrote:

t is looking like I will have to learn GnuCash.  Rude Goldberg
is laughing at me!


That's Rube Goldberg, not Rude.

.
For simply keeping track of my personal checking account I use 
LibreOffice Calc, a spread sheet. It calculates my balance, not to 
difficult to set up, I stumbled through it several years ago with not 
help. Better, for me, than gnucash ...



I see it the same way.  GnuCash has a learning curve that requires 
accounting skills.  But it does reconcile.  Found that a bit difficult

obn a spread sheet.

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Re: wxbanker?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 4/14/19 2:49 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 4/14/19 5:27 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 04/13/2019 10:19 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 4/14/19 12:14 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

It is a dead issue without a reconcile feature.


Oh, so wxbanker isn't what you want/need after all?



Unfortunately, no.  Thank you for all the work you
put in on it!



Well, obviously, 2 others put in much more effort than I did.

Seeing that the software was available on Debian distributions and you 
installed it on
Ubuntu and quickly determined that it wouldn't fulfill your requirements it 
would have
been better to do that first to save the efforts of others.


True.  I never though I'd need a Ubuntu VM, but ...

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Re: Modem/Router/Router -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/14/19 2:12 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
I have a new problem with my internet connection which a few others on 
this list may have encountered. They [Viasat] replaced the modem and 
antenna in upgrading the system. The new modem has an integral router 
having none of the feature I need to manage data usage, I've already 
used more than 80% of my allowance in the first week. I normally use a 
router with DD-WRT installed providing the features I need, showing the 
amount of data used and which devices used it.


The first thing to try is ask your provider to switch the modem into 
bridged mode.  That is what I get for the places I manage.  In some 
cases, it might involve setting up PPPOE on your end.  If they can't or 
won't do that, then you'll have to try the other options.


The problem is feeding their router data through my DD-WRT router. An 
ethernet port is provided which they claim work but provide no 
information for doing so. They sent a "technician" a few days ago and he 
knew nothing more about it than I do except he assured me it should work 
but did not know how to set up both routers, tried what he could for an 
hour and said if you can't make it work and call for help, tell them to 
send someone else ...


If you can't disable the wifi on the modem, then you can just ignore it. 
 Connect the WAN port on your router to the ethernet port on the modem. 
 You end up with double NAT, but it should still work.

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Modem/Router/Router -

[Bob Goodwin]

.
I have a new problem with my internet connection which a few others on 
this list may have encountered. They [Viasat] replaced the modem and 
antenna in upgrading the system. The new modem has an integral router 
having none of the feature I need to manage data usage, I've already 
used more than 80% of my allowance in the first week. I normally use a  
router with DD-WRT installed providing the features I need, showing the 
amount of data used and which devices used it.


The problem is feeding their router data through my DD-WRT router. An 
ethernet port is provided which they claim work but provide no 
information for doing so. They sent a "technician" a few days ago and he 
knew nothing more about it than I do except he assured me it should work 
but did not know how to set up both routers, tried what he could for an 
hour and said if you can't make it work and call for help, tell them to 
send someone else ...


Yesterday I tried with my router set up on a different subnet and 
seemingly working until in one of many equipment reboots their router 
assigned my nfs server a new address, of course all I knew was it would 
not mount until I connected a display and keyboard this morning, Now I 
made theaddresspermanentusing network manager. Before this the modems 
provided an ethernet port to which a wifi router was connected and 
connecting to that was straight forward.


Certainly I am not the first one to see this problem, feeding data from 
the ISP router to another one, and my hope is that someone can point me 
in the right direction if not offer a solution. Google searches have not 
led to a solution.


Bob

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Re: tracker-extract keeps crashing and flooding journal

[Francesco via users]

Il 08/04/19 23:40, Francesco via users ha scritto:
> Il 08/04/19 19:32,   sixpack13 ha scritto:
>> cit: "I wasn't able to disable it completely..."
>>
>> sudo sed -i 
>> 's/X-GNOME-Autostart-enabled=.*/X-GNOME-Autostart-enabled=false/' 
>> /etc/xdg/autostart/tracker-store.desktop
>>
>> be aware: setting gets overwritten by next tracker install and/or sudo 
>> rpmconf -a ! 
> 
> Thank you, I forgot that tracker is started by those unit files.
> So I'm going to copy system wide units to my ~/.config/autostart and
> modify the parameter you pointed out...
> 
> I will remove them when this bug is fixed.


So after a week more or less, tracker-extract (tracker-miners) is still
crashing as hell, many times since the session login, till I stop it
with: tracker daemon -t.

After few minutes, if not terminated, the logs has grown up so fast up
to 50+ MB Unacceptable.

I can't believe I'm the only one user on this list having this issue!
I also tried to reinstall Fedora but the issue is still there.
I also tried to revert tracker settings to defaults, but doesn't solve.

And, the bug I filed [1] hasn't been answerd by his mantainers (but i'm
seeing that there are several bug reports of tracker* still unanswered).

I wonder why a big and famous distro like Fedora have similiar kind of
support/QA to end users, and if I/we can do something to improve this
situation or we can just "wait" keeping tracker disabled (that doesn't
make me feel very happy at all).

At least, I'd like to point out that a new version upstream of tracker
is out, but probably it isn't been delivered to F29 yet for
dependencies' problems.

Ciao

[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1697484

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Re: how do I run a local widows of a program in a VM?

[George N. White III]

On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 at 23:01, ToddAndMargo via users <
users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Fedora 29
> Xfce 4.13
>
> I have a qemu-kvm virtual machine (VM) of Ubuntu.  I have
> two programs that won't run in Fedora installed in it.
>
> I know about "ssh -X11" and occasionally use it in other
> situations.  But X11 is slow and clunky.
>
> Is there a better way to run a local windows of a program
> in a VM?
>

spice .   Configure the display to use spice
and install a spice
client on the host.


>
> Many thanks,
> -T
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Re: wxbanker?

[Ed Greshko]

On 4/14/19 5:27 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> On 04/13/2019 10:19 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> On 4/14/19 12:14 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
>>> It is a dead issue without a reconcile feature.
>>
>> Oh, so wxbanker isn't what you want/need after all?
>>
>
> Unfortunately, no.  Thank you for all the work you
> put in on it!
>

Well, obviously, 2 others put in much more effort than I did.

Seeing that the software was available on Debian distributions and you 
installed it on
Ubuntu and quickly determined that it wouldn't fulfill your requirements it 
would have
been better to do that first to save the efforts of others.


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Re: wxbanker?

[Bob Goodwin]

On 04/14/19 01:12, Joe Zeff wrote:

t is looking like I will have to learn GnuCash.  Rude Goldberg
is laughing at me!


That's Rube Goldberg, not Rude.

.
For simply keeping track of my personal checking account I use 
LibreOffice Calc, a spread sheet. It calculates my balance, not to 
difficult to set up, I stumbled through it several years ago with not 
help. Better, for me, than gnucash ...

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Re: wxbanker?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 04/13/2019 10:12 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 04/13/2019 09:32 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:


It is looking like I will have to learn GnuCash.  Rude Goldberg
is laughing at me!


That's Rube Goldberg, not Rude.


I didn't even see that when I proof read!  :-)



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Re: wxbanker?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 04/13/2019 10:19 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 4/14/19 12:14 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

It is a dead issue without a reconcile feature.


Oh, so wxbanker isn't what you want/need after all?



Unfortunately, no.  Thank you for all the work you
put in on it!

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Re: how do I run a local widows of a program in a VM?

[Cameron Simpson]

On 13Apr2019 17:45, Samuel Sieb  wrote:

On 4/13/19 3:38 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 4/13/19 12:51 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 4/12/19 7:14 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 4/12/19 7:09 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

X11 is slow or X11 over ssh?

Over ssh.
How do you run it without the ssh?


On the host, "xhost +{VM IP addr}"
On the VM, "export DISPLAY={host IP addr}:0" (maybe 1)
I think that should work, but I haven't actually tested it.


What would the command line be to start the program?

Do the export DISPLAY, then run the program.  You can do that over ssh.


In case things are unclear, Samuel's suggested 3 different ways of 
getting your programme's windows displayed from within your Ubuntu VM:


- ssh with X11 tunneled: ssh -Y your-vm
 This sets $DISPLAY at the VM end to connect through a socket, and X11 
 requests get rewritten and delivered to the local display.


- ssh without X11 tunneled: ssh your-vm
 Then you set $DISPLAY to the public ip:port of your local display and 
 connection is done directly over the net. This requires an xhost 
 incantation to permit the connection. This is usually "xhost +", which 
 is grotesquely insecure but generally ok on a local personal LAN.


Note: there's a middle ground with a reverse port forward which avoids 
using the LAN unencrypted, but since this is a local VM that's probably 
irrelevant.


- VNC: run a VNC viewable X11 server in the VM, and view it with vnc 
 viewer from your local machine


Regarding the slowness/clunkiness of X11, this is quite dependent on the 
X11 application. A graphically active application will often be 
significantly clunkier over a remote X11 connection both because of the 
constant traffic used to do all the activity. Stupid twirly "I'm 
working!" things like rotating download/loading icons are particularly 
offensive in this regard, as is any gradtuitous video.


The advantage of VNC in this scenario is that all the X11 stuff happens 
locally to the VM, not across the network. Your VNC viewer will be busy 
of course, but it is just doing regular udates - it isn't bottlenecked 
rendering every X11 update, just rendering the display state as it can - 
many local X11 updates might happen between VNC updates.


This trades the "lagginess" of a VNC display for clunkiness of direct 
X11 rendering, which needs to be somewhat synchronous.


If you want to go the VNC route you've go 2 basic methods: add the VNC 
module to the regular X11 server and view its state that way - this 
isn't really any better than the regular VM display view. The 
alternative is to run an Xvnc server instance - a headless X11 display 
with a logical/virtual desktop which you can view with a VNC client. For 
that you want the "vncserver" command, eg:


 vncserver :5 -alwaysshared -name "vnc:5" -depth 24 -geometry 1400x1050

Then on the VM you start X11 apps using the $DISPLAY ":5" and want it 
with a VNC client.


Cheers,
Cameron Simpson 
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