date:20200603


On 2020-06-03 17:43, Tim via users wrote:

On Wed, 2020-06-03 at 17:28 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Every so often, once every two weeks or so for no apparent
reason or program, my computer slows down to about 1/5 speed.


CPU overheating?
  



xsensors say all four core are between 35 and 35C,
but it is working fine right now
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Re: slow down problem


>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Fedora 32
>> Xfce 4.14
>>
>> Every so often, once every two weeks or so for no apparent
>> reason or program, my computer slows down to about 1/5 speed.
>> Typed letter take time to appear.  File system stuff is five
>> times slower: tar, dump, etc..
>>
>> And I can't find anything wrong.  iotop and top both show
>> hardly anything happening.  Here is a screenshot of atop:
>>
>> https://ibb.co/m8Gq1yQ
>>
>> I notice that when I am doing a tar or a dump, my hard drive
>> light is on solid or constantly flashing.  When the slow
>> down occurs, it will stay off for a solid five seconds,
>> the flash a little, and back off again.
>>
>> And the tar and dumps always come out okay.  They just
>> take five times longer.
>>
>> Any words of wisdom?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> -T

On 2020-06-03 18:02, Roger Heflin wrote:

grep -i dirty /proc/meminfo

If that number gets high enough the machine will freeze all write io
(dirty_ratio/bytes) until it gets down to the
dirty_background_bytes/ratio.

If you hit this, how long that is is how long it takes to write out
(background_ratio - ratio) * ram

I have had good luck setting background_bytes to say 300 (3 MB)
and setting ditry_ratio to say (5MB).

With it being 2MB or a lower number than default (usually a % of ram)
the pause is so small you won't notice it, and
it some cases the pause is fast enough that other processes don't stall.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:31 PM ToddAndMargo via users
 wrote:


$ grep -i dirty /proc/meminfo
Dirty:   344 kB

But it is working fine right now
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Re: booting problem

2020-06-03 Thread Douglas Lindquist

I booted from dvd.  I used it becuase it had the uefi files on it.  I used 
fdisk to check the install hd.  It was still set to gpt but i set it again 
anyway.  I could not find any way in the bios to switch between uefi and bios 
mode.  After I rebooted the normal settings were there but they were messed up. 
 
I chose the Centos 8 option and I got a grub menu listing Windows followed by 
Fedora 31.  I had upgraded to Fedora 32 several weeks ago and no longer had 
Fedora 31.
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Neverwinder Nights on linux (shot in the dark)

2020-06-03 Thread Richard Shaw

I've played the Original Neverwinter Nights since I used to run windows
while in college. My son has taken an interest (honestly one of the best
games ever). I haven't played it in some time and recently I tried but it
just hangs.

I have multiple other computers with nvidia or intel based graphics and it
just "works" after installing the required i686 packages, but on my system
with an AMD RX580, nothing.

I've tried strace but it didn't reveal anything useful, and gdb after
installing a few gigs of debuginfo packages there's some output but the
majority seems SDL or radeon. Since it works on other computers in the
house my guess is that's it's radion drive related.

Anyone have any luck playing it with an AMD based graphics card?

I am loathe to try the full amdgpu pro drivers as the entire reason I moved
from Nvidia to AMD was to avoid binary blobs...

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: No way to have graphics

Or of that holding process dying it will exit.Usually it will be
the last thing being started and won't have an &


On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 8:05 PM Roger Heflin  wrote:
>
> Do you have a process in xinit and/or xstart that runs forever?  You
> must have one that "holds" it open, otherwise X exits.
>
> Usually you do a window manager, or say some trivial program that you
> won't ever close, if you do close it X will exit.
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:40 PM Patrick Dupre  wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I do not understand.
> > This installation does not want to run in graphics mode anymore.
> > It seems that the X session starts correctly, but for some reasons, just
> > immediately leave the session.
> > I checked from another installation (also fc32), every thing is fine.
> >
> > I tried both in root mode and in user mode, no way.
> > I also tried by crating a new user.
> >
> > I did chroot on the installation which work, but startx says
> > xinit: giving up
> > unable to connect to X: server: Connection refused
> > server error
> >
> > xinit -- /usr/bin/Xvnc :1
> > says
> > xinit: XFree86_VT property unexpectedly has 0 items instead of 1
> > xinit: connection to X server lost
> >
> > This may have happen after I installed a font
> >
> > I run dnf update correctly.
> >
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Re: No way to have graphics

Do you have a process in xinit and/or xstart that runs forever?  You
must have one that "holds" it open, otherwise X exits.

Usually you do a window manager, or say some trivial program that you
won't ever close, if you do close it X will exit.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:40 PM Patrick Dupre  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I do not understand.
> This installation does not want to run in graphics mode anymore.
> It seems that the X session starts correctly, but for some reasons, just
> immediately leave the session.
> I checked from another installation (also fc32), every thing is fine.
>
> I tried both in root mode and in user mode, no way.
> I also tried by crating a new user.
>
> I did chroot on the installation which work, but startx says
> xinit: giving up
> unable to connect to X: server: Connection refused
> server error
>
> xinit -- /usr/bin/Xvnc :1
> says
> xinit: XFree86_VT property unexpectedly has 0 items instead of 1
> xinit: connection to X server lost
>
> This may have happen after I installed a font
>
> I run dnf update correctly.
>
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>  Tel: +33 (0)380395988
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Re: slow down problem

grep -i dirty /proc/meminfo

If that number gets high enough the machine will freeze all write io
(dirty_ratio/bytes) until it gets down to the
dirty_background_bytes/ratio.

If you hit this, how long that is is how long it takes to write out
(background_ratio - ratio) * ram

I have had good luck setting background_bytes to say 300 (3 MB)
and setting ditry_ratio to say (5MB).

With it being 2MB or a lower number than default (usually a % of ram)
the pause is so small you won't notice it, and
it some cases the pause is fast enough that other processes don't stall.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:31 PM ToddAndMargo via users
 wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Fedora 32
> Xfce 4.14
>
> Every so often, once every two weeks or so for no apparent
> reason or program, my computer slows down to about 1/5 speed.
> Typed letter take time to appear.  File system stuff is five
> times slower: tar, dump, etc..
>
> And I can't find anything wrong.  iotop and top both show
> hardly anything happening.  Here is a screenshot of atop:
>
> https://ibb.co/m8Gq1yQ
>
> I notice that when I am doing a tar or a dump, my hard drive
> light is on solid or constantly flashing.  When the slow
> down occurs, it will stay off for a solid five seconds,
> the flash a little, and back off again.
>
> And the tar and dumps always come out okay.  They just
> take five times longer.
>
> Any words of wisdom?
>
> Many thanks,
> -T
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Re: slow down problem

2020-06-03 Thread Tim via users

On Wed, 2020-06-03 at 17:28 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> Every so often, once every two weeks or so for no apparent
> reason or program, my computer slows down to about 1/5 speed.

CPU overheating?
 
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No way to have graphics

Hello,

I do not understand.
This installation does not want to run in graphics mode anymore.
It seems that the X session starts correctly, but for some reasons, just
immediately leave the session.
I checked from another installation (also fc32), every thing is fine.

I tried both in root mode and in user mode, no way.
I also tried by crating a new user.

I did chroot on the installation which work, but startx says
xinit: giving up
unable to connect to X: server: Connection refused
server error

xinit -- /usr/bin/Xvnc :1
says
xinit: XFree86_VT property unexpectedly has 0 items instead of 1
xinit: connection to X server lost

This may have happen after I installed a font

I run dnf update correctly.

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Re: USB drive -




On 2020-06-03 19:56, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:


You can always create a symbolic link to it
and place the link and call the link whatever
you want

°
Yes, I saw that in a google search, I also tried  mount --bind which 
worked.


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slow down problem


Hi All,

Fedora 32
Xfce 4.14

Every so often, once every two weeks or so for no apparent
reason or program, my computer slows down to about 1/5 speed.
Typed letter take time to appear.  File system stuff is five
times slower: tar, dump, etc..

And I can't find anything wrong.  iotop and top both show
hardly anything happening.  Here is a screenshot of atop:

https://ibb.co/m8Gq1yQ

I notice that when I am doing a tar or a dump, my hard drive
light is on solid or constantly flashing.  When the slow
down occurs, it will stay off for a solid five seconds,
the flash a little, and back off again.

And the tar and dumps always come out okay.  They just
take five times longer.

Any words of wisdom?

Many thanks,
-T
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Re: USB drive -


On 2020-06-03 15:02, Bob Goodwin wrote:



On 2020-06-03 17:06, Terry Polzin wrote:
I believe that gets generated at mount since the device UUID in 
embedded in the path

°
Ok, that was a clue, I had mounted it using the long "name" in my Thunar 
file manager. I unmounted that and foune that it was also listed in 
"mount" as /dev/sdc. That mounts:  mount /dev/sdc /media/mybook'  which 
is what I wanted to do at the outset of my exercise.


Thanks, Bob



You can always create a symbolic link to it
and place the link and call the link whatever
you want

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Re: no more graphics mode

Is there something wrong with this file?
The graphics mode start but nothing happen when I run:
X -config xorg.conf.new (generated by Xorg --configure)
xrandr say can't open display

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "X.org Configured"
Screen  0  "Screen0" 0 0
InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer"
InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Section "Files"
ModulePath   "/usr/lib64/xorg/modules"
FontPath "catalogue:/etc/X11/fontpath.d"
FontPath "built-ins"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load  "glx"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Keyboard0"
Driver  "kbd"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Mouse0"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "Protocol" "auto"
Option  "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
Option  "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier   "Monitor0"
VendorName   "Monitor Vendor"
ModelName"Monitor Model"
EndSection

Section "Device"
### Available Driver options are:-
### Values: : integer, : float, : "True"/"False",
### : "String", : " Hz/kHz/MHz",
### : "%"
### [arg]: arg optional
#Option "Accel" # []
#Option "AccelMethod"   # 
#Option "Backlight" # 
#Option "CustomEDID"# 
#Option "DRI"   # 
#Option "Present"   # []
#Option "ColorKey"  # 
#Option "VideoKey"  # 
#Option "Tiling"# []
#Option "LinearFramebuffer" # []
#Option "HWRotation"# []
#Option "VSync" # []
#Option "PageFlip"  # []
#Option "SwapbuffersWait"   # []
#Option "TripleBuffer"  # []
#Option "XvPreferOverlay"   # []
#Option "HotPlug"   # []
#Option "ReprobeOutputs"# []
#Option "XvMC"  # []
#Option "ZaphodHeads"   # 
#Option "VirtualHeads"  # 
#Option "TearFree"  # []
#Option "PerCrtcPixmaps"# []
#Option "FallbackDebug" # []
#Option "DebugFlushBatches" # []
#Option "DebugFlushCaches"  # []
#Option "DebugWait" # []
#Option "BufferCache"   # []
Identifier  "Card0"
Driver  "intel"
BusID   "PCI:0:2:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Card0"
Monitor"Monitor0"
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 1
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 4
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 8
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 15
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 16
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 24
EndSubSection
EndSection


> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 at 12:02 AM
> From: "Patrick Dupre" 
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Cc: "fedora" 
> Subject: Re: no more graphics mode
>
> I am attaching the log file
> 
> 
> >
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I cannot restart the graphics mode (fc32)
> > 
> > startx
> > 
> > xauth:  file /home/pdupre/.serverauth.2495 does not exist
> > 
> > 
> > X.Org X Server 1.20.8
> > X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
> > Build Operating System:  5.5.10-200.fc31.x86_64 
> > Current Operating System: Linux Teucidide 5.6.15-300.fc32.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri 
> > May 29 14:23:59 UTC 2020 x86_64
> > Kernel command line: 
> > BOOT_IMAGE=(lvmid/G99jyd-8w45-PWeO-2Oi0-leh4-grNm-RFEyL3/Noro38-PXZz-9l41-B5ZN-JbUZ-SGP3-etdnYp)/boot/vmlinuz-5.6.15-300.fc32.x86_64
> >  root=/dev/mapper/VolSys_1-root ro rd.lvm.lv=VolSys_1/root
> > Build Date: 30 March 2020  12:00:00AM
> > Build ID: xorg-x11-server 1.20.8-1.fc32 
> > Current version of pixman: 0.40.0
> > Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
> > to make sure that you have the latest version.
> > Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
> > (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
> > (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
> > (==) Log file: "/home/pdupre/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log", Time: Wed Jun  
> > 3 23:55:18 2020
> > (==) Using config director

Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

you might be able to do this:
echo 1 > /sys/block/sdX/device/delete

that will remove the sdX device, to get it back you would need to
reboot or do a"
echo "- - -" to the "scan" device under the device that controls it to
bring it back.

You may need to also use smartctl and/or hdparm (if this usb device
will pass the commands through)
to set the power down parameters on the disk so that it will power down.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 4:47 PM Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2020-06-03 at 11:24 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Wed, 2020-06-03 at 08:33 +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> > > On 02Jun2020 10:57, Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:
> > > > I have a powered USB dock with a couple of SATA drives configured as
> > > > RAID1, and used only for nightly backups. The (minimal) manual for the
> > > > dock tells me it will power down after 30 minutes idle time, however I
> > > > don't see this happening. I presume that something (such as the md
> > > > system) is touching the drives periodically.
> > > >
> > > > What is the fstab option to have the drives mounted only when accessed?
> > > > This used to be automount (or autofs) but with systemd getting its
> > > > fingers into everything I know longer know how to do this.
> > > >
> > > > Can the drive be automatically unmounted if not in use? I presume this
> > > > would stop md from trying to check it and hence prevent the dock from
> > > > keeping it powered on.
> > >
> > > My own solution, here and at a client, is to have the backup script do
> > > the mount and umount. This has the advantage that the backups aren't
> > > even available for mangling the rest of the time. A script like this:
> > >
> > > if mount /the/backup/volume
> > > then
> > >   ... run the backup ...
> > >   umount /the/backup/volume
> > > fi
> > >
> > > works nicely. The md stuff should, I expect, leave things alone except
> > > for the weekly(?) rescan.
> > >
> > > It also means that if you know the backup's over you can freely unplug
> > > them (eg put them on a shelf or in a drawer, or send one set off site).
> >
> > Good idea. I expect I'll want to use the drives for something else in
> > the future (they're nearly empty), which is why I wanted it to be
> > automatic, but for now it's a reasonable workaround.
>
> I've set that up and unmounted the drive, however the dock is not
> powering down as it's supposed to and 'lsblk' still shows the drives as
> present. It looks like something is keeping the USB socket powered up.
> I've tried using 'eject' on the drive units but I get 'Device or
> resource busy'. 'lsof' doesn't show any active processes.
>
> poc
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Re: Strange dnf behavior or UFU (user foul up)?

2020-06-03 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 6/3/20 1:41 PM, George R Goffe via users wrote:

Description of problem:

Attempting to upgrade this system. First try revealed errors with "nut" and "gnutls" so I
reran the command adding --exclude='nut-*' and --exclude='gnutls*'. This retry listed several other packages
with problems. Second try, adding --exclude='kdevelop*' and --exclude='python*'. This resulted in the
"protected packages" message.

It's clear that there's a bug here or (probably) I don't understand dnf as well
as I thought.

Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):
dnf-4.2.21-1.fc33.noarch

This is a rawhide system, so someone is certainly going to tell you that
you should post this on the test list instead. So there, I just did it. :-)

It is not unusual for rawhide to have periods of time where upgrades of
certain packages have issues because that's where development is
happening. I know there are two very large updates in progress, so
you're likely hitting an issue with one or both of those. I see a
reference to python3.9 in there, so very likely. Give it a few days to
settle down and try again. That's quite the combination of dnf options
you've put together, I'm not sure how well they all work together.

Maybe just try "--skip-broken" for now and if that doesn't work, try later.
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Re: USB drive -

2020-06-03 Thread Samuel Sieb


On 6/3/20 1:36 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
/I have an USB WD Mybook with data stored on it but it is at 
/run/media/bobg/bbdb9a5e-5003-4d4e-a18c-fb30a2488d98 /media/mybk


/I would like to change that long name to something shorter like 'mybk" 
but I don't know how and I don't want to make a mistake and render it 
inaccessible. Can that be done and what is the command for changing the 
name?**Bob


The easiest way is to label the filesystem.  Then that is what will be 
used as the mount point.

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Re: booting problem

2020-06-03 Thread Stephen Morris


On 4/6/20 12:53 am, Jonathan Billings wrote:

On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 12:52:05AM -0400, doug.lindqu...@atlanticbb.net wrote:

I recently tried to install Centos 8 on my 3tb uefi hd that already had
Fedora 32 and Windows 10 on it.  The Centos installation did not finish
because it could install the boot loader.  It ended up screwing up the uefi
boot because it will no longer boot to anything.  It looks like the bios
reset  to non uefi boot only.  My mb is Gigabyte B450 Auros with 64gb mem.

Did you install via an USB or CD/DVD?  Did you boot the installer via
legacy boot (extlinux) or UEFI (grub2)?  It'll install the bootloader
that was used to boot the install medium.
Just further to Jonathan's questions, if the motherboard bios has indeed 
switched from UEFI to legacy you should be able to go into the bios 
settings and change it back to UEFI, how this is done depends on the 
motherboard.
It also sounds like the Centos installer you are booting may be a legacy 
installer, in which case you might be better off obtaining a live cd/dvd 
of a Centos UEFI system.


regards,
Steve




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Re: USB drive -




On 2020-06-03 17:06, Terry Polzin wrote:
I believe that gets generated at mount since the device UUID in 
embedded in the path

°
Ok, that was a clue, I had mounted it using the long "name" in my Thunar 
file manager. I unmounted that and foune that it was also listed in 
"mount" as /dev/sdc. That mounts:  mount /dev/sdc /media/mybook'  which 
is what I wanted to do at the outset of my exercise.


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Re: no more graphics mode

I am attaching the log file


>
> Hello,
> 
> I cannot restart the graphics mode (fc32)
> 
> startx
> 
> xauth:  file /home/pdupre/.serverauth.2495 does not exist
> 
> 
> X.Org X Server 1.20.8
> X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
> Build Operating System:  5.5.10-200.fc31.x86_64 
> Current Operating System: Linux Teucidide 5.6.15-300.fc32.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri 
> May 29 14:23:59 UTC 2020 x86_64
> Kernel command line: 
> BOOT_IMAGE=(lvmid/G99jyd-8w45-PWeO-2Oi0-leh4-grNm-RFEyL3/Noro38-PXZz-9l41-B5ZN-JbUZ-SGP3-etdnYp)/boot/vmlinuz-5.6.15-300.fc32.x86_64
>  root=/dev/mapper/VolSys_1-root ro rd.lvm.lv=VolSys_1/root
> Build Date: 30 March 2020  12:00:00AM
> Build ID: xorg-x11-server 1.20.8-1.fc32 
> Current version of pixman: 0.40.0
>   Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
>   to make sure that you have the latest version.
> Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
>   (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
>   (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
> (==) Log file: "/home/pdupre/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log", Time: Wed Jun  3 
> 23:55:18 2020
> (==) Using config directory: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d"
> (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
> xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted)
> (II) modeset(0): Initializing kms color map for depth 24, 8 bpc.
> The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:
> > Internal error:   Could not resolve keysym XF86FullScreen
> Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server
> The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:
> > Internal error:   Could not resolve keysym XF86FullScreen
> Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server
> xinit: connection to X server lost
> 
> waiting for X server to shut down (II) Server terminated successfully (0). 
> Closing log file.
> 
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[   424.263]
X.Org X Server 1.20.8
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
[   424.263] Build Operating System:  5.5.10-200.fc31.x86_64
[   424.263] Current Operating System: Linux Teucidide 5.6.15-300.fc32.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri May 29 14:23:59 UTC 2020 x86_64
[   424.263] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=(lvmid/G99jyd-8w45-PWeO-2Oi0-leh4-grNm-RFEyL3/Noro38-PXZz-9l41-B5ZN-JbUZ-SGP3-etdnYp)/boot/vmlinuz-5.6.15-300.fc32.x86_64 root=/dev/mapper/VolSys_1-root ro rd.lvm.lv=VolSys_1/root
[   424.263] Build Date: 30 March 2020  12:00:00AM
[   424.263] Build ID: xorg-x11-server 1.20.8-1.fc32
[   424.263] Current version of pixman: 0.40.0
[   424.263] 	Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
	to make sure that you have the latest version.
[   424.263] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[   424.263] (==) Log file: "/home/pdupre/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log", Time: Wed Jun  3 23:55:18 2020
[   424.263] (==) Using config directory: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d"
[   424.263] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
[   424.263] (==) No Layout section.  Using the first Screen section.
[   424.263] (==) No screen section available. Using defaults.
[   424.263] (**) |-->Screen "Default Screen Section" (0)
[   424.263] (**) |   |-->Monitor ""
[   424.263] (==) No monitor specified for screen "Default Screen Section".
	Using a default monitor configuration.
[   424.263] (==) Automatically adding devices
[   424.263] (==) Automatically enabling devices
[   424.263] (==) Automatically adding GPU devices
[   424.263] (==) Automatically binding GPU devices
[   424.263] (==) Max clients allowed: 256, resource mask: 0x1f
[   424.263] (==) FontPath set to:
	catalogue:/etc/X11/fontpath.d,
	built-ins
[   424.263] (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib64/xorg/modules"
[   424.263] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices.
	If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable AutoAddDevices.
[   424.263] (II) Loader magic: 0x555fdbd14e20
[   424.263] (II) Module ABI versions:
[   424.263] 	X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
[   424.263] 	X.Org Video Driver: 24.1
[   424.263] 	X.Org XInput driver : 24.1
[   424.263] 	X.Org Server Extension : 10.0
[   424.264] (++) using VT number 1

[   424.265] (II) systemd-logind: took control of session /org/freedesktop/login1/session/_31
[   424.265] (II) xfree86: Adding drm device (/dev/dri/card0)
[   424.266] (II) systemd-logind: got fd for /dev/dri/card0 226:0 fd 13 paused 0
[   424.267] (--) PCI:*(0@0:2:0) 8086:5912:1043:8694 rev 4, Mem @ 0xf600/16777216, 0xe000/268435456, I/O @ 0xf000/6

no more graphics mode

Hello,

I cannot restart the graphics mode (fc32)

startx

xauth:  file /home/pdupre/.serverauth.2495 does not exist


X.Org X Server 1.20.8
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
Build Operating System:  5.5.10-200.fc31.x86_64 
Current Operating System: Linux Teucidide 5.6.15-300.fc32.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri May 
29 14:23:59 UTC 2020 x86_64
Kernel command line: 
BOOT_IMAGE=(lvmid/G99jyd-8w45-PWeO-2Oi0-leh4-grNm-RFEyL3/Noro38-PXZz-9l41-B5ZN-JbUZ-SGP3-etdnYp)/boot/vmlinuz-5.6.15-300.fc32.x86_64
 root=/dev/mapper/VolSys_1-root ro rd.lvm.lv=VolSys_1/root
Build Date: 30 March 2020  12:00:00AM
Build ID: xorg-x11-server 1.20.8-1.fc32 
Current version of pixman: 0.40.0
Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/home/pdupre/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log", Time: Wed Jun  3 
23:55:18 2020
(==) Using config directory: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d"
(==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted)
(II) modeset(0): Initializing kms color map for depth 24, 8 bpc.
The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:
> Internal error:   Could not resolve keysym XF86FullScreen
Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server
The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:
> Internal error:   Could not resolve keysym XF86FullScreen
Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server
xinit: connection to X server lost

waiting for X server to shut down (II) Server terminated successfully (0). 
Closing log file.

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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

On Wed, 2020-06-03 at 11:24 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Wed, 2020-06-03 at 08:33 +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> > On 02Jun2020 10:57, Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:
> > > I have a powered USB dock with a couple of SATA drives configured as
> > > RAID1, and used only for nightly backups. The (minimal) manual for the
> > > dock tells me it will power down after 30 minutes idle time, however I
> > > don't see this happening. I presume that something (such as the md
> > > system) is touching the drives periodically.
> > > 
> > > What is the fstab option to have the drives mounted only when accessed?
> > > This used to be automount (or autofs) but with systemd getting its
> > > fingers into everything I know longer know how to do this.
> > > 
> > > Can the drive be automatically unmounted if not in use? I presume this
> > > would stop md from trying to check it and hence prevent the dock from
> > > keeping it powered on.
> > 
> > My own solution, here and at a client, is to have the backup script do 
> > the mount and umount. This has the advantage that the backups aren't 
> > even available for mangling the rest of the time. A script like this:
> > 
> > if mount /the/backup/volume
> > then
> >   ... run the backup ...
> >   umount /the/backup/volume
> > fi
> > 
> > works nicely. The md stuff should, I expect, leave things alone except 
> > for the weekly(?) rescan.
> > 
> > It also means that if you know the backup's over you can freely unplug 
> > them (eg put them on a shelf or in a drawer, or send one set off site).
> 
> Good idea. I expect I'll want to use the drives for something else in
> the future (they're nearly empty), which is why I wanted it to be
> automatic, but for now it's a reasonable workaround.

I've set that up and unmounted the drive, however the dock is not
powering down as it's supposed to and 'lsblk' still shows the drives as
present. It looks like something is keeping the USB socket powered up.
I've tried using 'eject' on the drive units but I get 'Device or
resource busy'. 'lsof' doesn't show any active processes.

poc
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Re: Multiboot question

On Wed, 2020-06-03 at 20:21 +, Steven Usdansky via users wrote:
> > On Wed, 2020-06-03 at 12:07 +0930, Tim via users wrote:
> > 
> > Indeed, though I assume that some people are using the lame HK system
> > because they have no alternative (don't ask me why). Why else would
> > anyone use it?
> > 
> > poc
> Sorry. I just use my browser and wasn't aware of the need to quote to keep 
> things coherent. 

You could use an email client, including a webmail, but if you use HK
then you have to explicitly quote the part you're commenting on as the
default is to quote nothing, as often common happens on web forums.
It's a consequence of trying to force the square peg of a web forum
into the round hole of a mailing list.

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Re: USB drive -

2020-06-03 Thread Michael Hennebry


On Wed, 3 Jun 2020, Bob Goodwin wrote:

/I have an USB WD Mybook with data stored on it but it is at 
/run/media/bobg/bbdb9a5e-5003-4d4e-a18c-fb30a2488d98 /media/mybk


I would like to change that long name to something shorter like 'mybk" but I 
don't know how and I don't want to make a mistake and render it inaccessible.


I think that e2label or fatlabel will do what you want.

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Re: USB drive -

2020-06-03 Thread Terry Polzin

I believe that gets generated at mount since the device UUID in embedded in
the path


On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 4:57 PM Bob Goodwin  wrote:

> /I have an USB WD Mybook with data stored on it but it is at
> /run/media/bobg/bbdb9a5e-5003-4d4e-a18c-fb30a2488d98 /media/mybk
>
> I would like to change that long name to something shorter like 'mybk"
> but I don't know how and I don't want to make a mistake and render it
> inaccessible. Can that be done and what is the command for changing the
> name?   Bob
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USB drive -

/I have an USB WD Mybook with data stored on it but it is at 
/run/media/bobg/bbdb9a5e-5003-4d4e-a18c-fb30a2488d98 /media/mybk


I would like to change that long name to something shorter like 'mybk" 
but I don't know how and I don't want to make a mistake and render it 
inaccessible. Can that be done and what is the command for changing the 
name?   Bob


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Strange dnf behavior or UFU (user foul up)?

2020-06-03 Thread George R Goffe via users

Hi,

I'm trying to upgrade a system here and am having some difficulty with dnf. 
Could I get some help or tips or suggestions please?

Below is what I would enter in a bugzilla.redhat.com bug report. I thought I'd 
check here first in case I've done something stupid.

Thanks,

George...

Description of problem:

Attempting to upgrade this system. First try revealed errors with "nut" and 
"gnutls" so I reran the command adding --exclude='nut-*' and 
--exclude='gnutls*'. This retry listed several other packages with problems. 
Second try, adding --exclude='kdevelop*' and --exclude='python*'. This resulted 
in the "protected packages" message.

It's clear that there's a bug here or (probably) I don't understand dnf as well 
as I thought.

Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):
dnf-4.2.21-1.fc33.noarch

How reproducible:
always for now

Steps to Reproduce:
1.see below
2.
3.

Actual results:
see below

Expected results:
clean and successful system upgrade

Additional info:

fc33-bash 5.0 /donez# /usr/bin/dnf -y --noautoremove --refresh --skip-broken 
--best --allowerasing --exclude='gnutls-*' --exclude='nut*' upgrade
Fedora 33 openh264 (From Cisco) - x86_64
   1.6 kB/s | 986  B 00:00    
Fedora - Rawhide - Developmental packages for the next Fedora release   
    32 kB/s |  14 kB 00:00    
Error:
 Problem 1: cannot install the best update candidate for package 
thonny-3.2.7-2.fc32.noarch
  - problem with installed package thonny-3.2.7-2.fc32.noarch
  - nothing provides python3.9dist(asttokens) >= 1.1.10 needed by 
thonny-3.2.7-3.fc33.noarch
 Problem 2: cannot install the best update candidate for package 
pdfarranger-1.5.3-1.fc33.noarch
  - problem with installed package pdfarranger-1.5.3-1.fc33.noarch
  - nothing provides python3.9dist(pikepdf) >= 1.7 needed by 
pdfarranger-1.5.3-2.fc33.noarch
 Problem 3: cannot install the best update candidate for package 
kdevelop-libs-9:5.5.1-1.fc33.x86_64
  - problem with installed package kdevelop-libs-9:5.5.1-1.fc33.x86_64
  - nothing provides libprocesscore.so.9()(64bit) needed by 
kdevelop-libs-9:5.5.1-2.fc33.x86_64
  - nothing provides libprocessui.so.9()(64bit) needed by 
kdevelop-libs-9:5.5.1-2.fc33.x86_64
 Problem 4: cannot install the best update candidate for package 
kdevelop-9:5.5.1-1.fc33.x86_64
  - problem with installed package kdevelop-9:5.5.1-1.fc33.x86_64
  - package kdevelop-9:5.5.1-2.fc33.x86_64 requires kdevelop-libs(x86-64) = 
9:5.5.1-2.fc33, but none of the providers can be installed
  - nothing provides libprocesscore.so.9()(64bit) needed by 
kdevelop-libs-9:5.5.1-2.fc33.x86_64
  - nothing provides libprocessui.so.9()(64bit) needed by 
kdevelop-libs-9:5.5.1-2.fc33.x86_64
 Problem 5: cannot install the best update candidate for package 
gnutls-3.6.13-3.fc33.x86_64
  - cannot install both gnutls-3.6.13-6.fc33.x86_64 and 
gnutls-3.6.13-3.fc33.x86_64
  - package gnutls-c++-3.6.13-3.fc33.x86_64 requires gnutls(x86-64) = 
3.6.13-3.fc33, but none of the providers can be installed
  - problem with installed package gnutls-c++-3.6.13-3.fc33.x86_64
 Problem 6: cannot install the best update candidate for package 
gnutls-3.6.13-3.fc33.i686
  - cannot install both gnutls-3.6.13-6.fc33.i686 and gnutls-3.6.13-3.fc33.i686
  - package gnutls-c++-3.6.13-3.fc33.i686 requires gnutls(x86-32) = 
3.6.13-3.fc33, but none of the providers can be installed
  - problem with installed package gnutls-c++-3.6.13-3.fc33.i686
 Problem 7: cannot install the best update candidate for package 
python3-3.8.3-1.fc33.x86_64
  - cannot install both python3-3.9.0~b1-4.fc33.x86_64 and 
python3-3.8.3-1.fc33.x86_64
  - python3-3.8.3-1.fc33.i686 has inferior architecture
  - package nut-client-2.7.4-27.fc32.x86_64 requires python(abi) = 3.8, but 
none of the providers can be installed
  - problem with installed package nut-client-2.7.4-27.fc32.x86_64
 Problem 8: cannot install the best update candidate for package 
python3-devel-3.8.3-1.fc33.x86_64
  - problem with installed package python3-devel-3.8.3-1.fc33.x86_64
  - package python3-devel-3.9.0~b1-4.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with python3 < 
3.9.0~b1-4.fc33 provided by python3-3.8.3-1.fc33.x86_64
  - package nut-client-2.7.4-27.fc32.x86_64 requires python(abi) = 3.8, but 
none of the providers can be installed
  - cannot install the best update candidate for package 
python3-3.8.3-1.fc33.i686
  - cannot install both python3-3.9.0~b1-4.fc33.i686 and 
python3-3.8.3-1.fc33.i686
  - package nut-2.7.4-27.fc32.x86_64 requires libupsclient.so.4()(64bit), but 
none of the providers can be installed
  - problem with installed package nut-2.7.4-27.fc32.x86_64
  - package nut-client-2.7.4-30.fc33.x86_64 is filtered out by exclude filtering

fc33-bash 5.0 /donez# /usr/bin/dnf -y --noautoremove --refresh --skip-broken 
--best --allowerasing --exclude='gnutls-*' --exclude='nut*' 
--exclude='kdevelop*' --exclude='python*' upgrade
Fedora 33

USB drive -

/I have an USB WD Mybook with data stored on it but it is at 
/run/media/bobg/bbdb9a5e-5003-4d4e-a18c-fb30a2488d98 /media/mybk


/I would like to change that long name to something shorter like 'mybk" 
but I don't know how and I don't want to make a mistake and render it 
inaccessible. Can that be done and what is the command for changing the 
name?**Bob

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Re: Multiboot question

2020-06-03 Thread Steven Usdansky via users

> On Wed, 2020-06-03 at 12:07 +0930, Tim via users wrote:
> 
> Indeed, though I assume that some people are using the lame HK system
> because they have no alternative (don't ask me why). Why else would
> anyone use it?
> 
> poc
Sorry. I just use my browser and wasn't aware of the need to quote to keep 
things coherent. 
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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

2020-06-03 Thread Jonathan Billings

On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 11:37:51AM -0500, Roger Heflin wrote:
>
> It is not much of a useful security measure, since root can su - user
> and take a look see anyway.

It's more for protecting against root-level services and not a
malicious admin running as root.

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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

It is not much of a useful security measure, since root can su - user
and take a look see anyway.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 10:13 AM Jonathan Billings  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jun 02, 2020 at 04:38:17PM +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > $ sudo lsof /raid
> > lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfsd-fuse file system /run/user/1000/gvfs
> >   Output information may be incomplete.
> > lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.portal file system /run/user/1000/doc
> >   Output information may be incomplete.
> >
> > Not sure why I'm getting gvfs errors. I do seem to be running some GVFS
> > stuff for some reason (my desktop is KDE though I do have some GTK
> > programs such as Firefox):
>
> This is just a red herring.  lsof, running as root, can't poke around
> in the gvfs mounts for a user.  The FUSE mounts for gvfs is locked
> down so only users can get at them, as a security measure.  lsof looks
> at all processes, including the gvfs ones.
>
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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

2020-06-03 Thread Roberto Ragusa


On 2020-06-03 17:11, Jonathan Billings wrote:


This is just a red herring.  lsof, running as root, can't poke around
in the gvfs mounts for a user.  The FUSE mounts for gvfs is locked
down so only users can get at them, as a security measure.  lsof looks
at all processes, including the gvfs ones.

This is one of the most bizarre things ever done to
the Unix philosophy: root getting errors on these files.
Annoying whenever you run lsof, find, rsync, grep -r, ...


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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

On Wed, 2020-06-03 at 11:11 -0400, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 02, 2020 at 04:38:17PM +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > $ sudo lsof /raid
> > lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfsd-fuse file system /run/user/1000/gvfs
> >   Output information may be incomplete.
> > lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.portal file system /run/user/1000/doc
> >   Output information may be incomplete.
> > 
> > Not sure why I'm getting gvfs errors. I do seem to be running some GVFS
> > stuff for some reason (my desktop is KDE though I do have some GTK
> > programs such as Firefox):
> 
> This is just a red herring.  lsof, running as root, can't poke around
> in the gvfs mounts for a user.  The FUSE mounts for gvfs is locked
> down so only users can get at them, as a security measure.  lsof looks
> at all processes, including the gvfs ones.

OK, good to know, thanks.

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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

2020-06-03 Thread Jonathan Billings

On Tue, Jun 02, 2020 at 04:38:17PM +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> $ sudo lsof /raid
> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfsd-fuse file system /run/user/1000/gvfs
>   Output information may be incomplete.
> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.portal file system /run/user/1000/doc
>   Output information may be incomplete.
> 
> Not sure why I'm getting gvfs errors. I do seem to be running some GVFS
> stuff for some reason (my desktop is KDE though I do have some GTK
> programs such as Firefox):

This is just a red herring.  lsof, running as root, can't poke around
in the gvfs mounts for a user.  The FUSE mounts for gvfs is locked
down so only users can get at them, as a security measure.  lsof looks
at all processes, including the gvfs ones.

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Re: booting problem

2020-06-03 Thread Jonathan Billings

On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 12:52:05AM -0400, doug.lindqu...@atlanticbb.net wrote:
> I recently tried to install Centos 8 on my 3tb uefi hd that already had
> Fedora 32 and Windows 10 on it.  The Centos installation did not finish
> because it could install the boot loader.  It ended up screwing up the uefi
> boot because it will no longer boot to anything.  It looks like the bios
> reset  to non uefi boot only.  My mb is Gigabyte B450 Auros with 64gb mem.

Did you install via an USB or CD/DVD?  Did you boot the installer via
legacy boot (extlinux) or UEFI (grub2)?  It'll install the bootloader
that was used to boot the install medium.


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Re: perl-Math-GSL

2020-06-03 Thread George N. White III

On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 at 08:12, Patrick Dupre  wrote:

> Yes,
> Thanks.
> It works.
>
> This is the only option that I found to deploy my package.
> I could not fix perl-Math-GSL-0.40 to have it matches GSL 2.6
>
> Probably Leto will fix the issue sometimes
>
> Indeed, there are plenty of perl packages that are not maintained for
> fedora, this is really annoying.
>

I started avoiding perl a few years ago because it was too much effort
to keep things working and because recent hires and students in workshops
our lab ran had never encountered perl.

Check conda-forge perl .   For some
use cases, e.g., multi-lab project
where participants are on different platforms,  conda-forge provides
a common configuration.   It also gives you the option to continue with
an older configuration where a recent distro has patchy coverage.

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Re: perl-Math-GSL

Yes,
Thanks.
It works.

This is the only option that I found to deploy my package.
I could not fix perl-Math-GSL-0.40 to have it matches GSL 2.6

Probably Leto will fix the issue sometimes

Indeed, there are plenty of perl packages that are not maintained for
fedora, this is really annoying.

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> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2020 at 1:00 PM
> From: "Michael Schwendt" 
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Re: perl-Math-GSL
>
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 11:21:43 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> 
> > I could not compile perl-Math-GSL-0.40 because this package does not deal
> > with gsl 2.6
> > Thus, I installed gsl 2.5 independently of gsl 2.6 (gsl-2.6-2.fc32.x86_64)
> > and I was able to build the rpm package which requires libgsl.so.23
> > 
> > I put a link to this library (provided by gsl 2.5) in /usr/lib64
> > and run ldconfig
> > 
> > But
> > dnf install 
> > /home/pdupre/rpmbuild/RPMS/x86_64/perl-Math-GSL-0.40-1.fc32.x86_64.rpm
> > 
> > is not happy
> > Last metadata expiration check: 1:53:24 ago on Wed 03 Jun 2020 09:26:44 AM 
> > CEST.
> > Error: 
> >  Problem: conflicting requests
> >   - nothing provides libgsl.so.23()(64bit) needed by 
> > perl-Math-GSL-0.40-1.fc32.x86_64
> > 
> > 
> > How can I bypass this issue?
> 
> Unless you have created and installed an RPM package for GSL 2.5, no RPM
> dependency data exists for libgsl.so.23()(64bit). If you are brave and
> curious, you could choose to ignore dependencies by installing with
> "rpm --nodeps ...", but be warned since it's quite a big hammer.
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Re: perl-Math-GSL

2020-06-03 Thread Michael Schwendt

On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 11:21:43 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:

> I could not compile perl-Math-GSL-0.40 because this package does not deal
> with gsl 2.6
> Thus, I installed gsl 2.5 independently of gsl 2.6 (gsl-2.6-2.fc32.x86_64)
> and I was able to build the rpm package which requires libgsl.so.23
> 
> I put a link to this library (provided by gsl 2.5) in /usr/lib64
> and run ldconfig
> 
> But
> dnf install 
> /home/pdupre/rpmbuild/RPMS/x86_64/perl-Math-GSL-0.40-1.fc32.x86_64.rpm
> 
> is not happy
> Last metadata expiration check: 1:53:24 ago on Wed 03 Jun 2020 09:26:44 AM 
> CEST.
> Error: 
>  Problem: conflicting requests
>   - nothing provides libgsl.so.23()(64bit) needed by 
> perl-Math-GSL-0.40-1.fc32.x86_64
> 
> 
> How can I bypass this issue?

Unless you have created and installed an RPM package for GSL 2.5, no RPM
dependency data exists for libgsl.so.23()(64bit). If you are brave and
curious, you could choose to ignore dependencies by installing with
"rpm --nodeps ...", but be warned since it's quite a big hammer.
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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

On Wed, 2020-06-03 at 08:33 +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> On 02Jun2020 10:57, Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:
> > I have a powered USB dock with a couple of SATA drives configured as
> > RAID1, and used only for nightly backups. The (minimal) manual for the
> > dock tells me it will power down after 30 minutes idle time, however I
> > don't see this happening. I presume that something (such as the md
> > system) is touching the drives periodically.
> > 
> > What is the fstab option to have the drives mounted only when accessed?
> > This used to be automount (or autofs) but with systemd getting its
> > fingers into everything I know longer know how to do this.
> > 
> > Can the drive be automatically unmounted if not in use? I presume this
> > would stop md from trying to check it and hence prevent the dock from
> > keeping it powered on.
> 
> My own solution, here and at a client, is to have the backup script do 
> the mount and umount. This has the advantage that the backups aren't 
> even available for mangling the rest of the time. A script like this:
> 
> if mount /the/backup/volume
> then
>   ... run the backup ...
>   umount /the/backup/volume
> fi
> 
> works nicely. The md stuff should, I expect, leave things alone except 
> for the weekly(?) rescan.
> 
> It also means that if you know the backup's over you can freely unplug 
> them (eg put them on a shelf or in a drawer, or send one set off site).

Good idea. I expect I'll want to use the drives for something else in
the future (they're nearly empty), which is why I wanted it to be
automatic, but for now it's a reasonable workaround.

poc
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Re: Mount options for mostly-offline drives

On Wed, 2020-06-03 at 06:12 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 2020-06-02 23:38, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Tue, 2020-06-02 at 10:17 -0500, Roger Heflin wrote:
> > > you might want to
> > > 
> > > run a lsof and see if anything has open files on it, and if nothing
> > > 
> > > has open files on it, then it may something monitoring say space.
> > $ sudo lsof /raid
> > lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfsd-fuse file system /run/user/1000/gvfs
> >   Output information may be incomplete.
> > lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.portal file system /run/user/1000/doc
> >   Output information may be incomplete.
> > 
> > Not sure why I'm getting gvfs errors. I do seem to be running some GVFS
> > stuff for some reason (my desktop is KDE though I do have some GTK
> > programs such as Firefox):
> > 
> > $ pgrep -fl gvfs
> > 2364 gvfsd
> > 2372 gvfsd-fuse
> > 2656 gvfsd-metadata
> > 3509 gvfs-udisks2-vo
> > 3528 gvfs-goa-volume
> > 3548 gvfs-mtp-volume
> > 3561 gvfs-gphoto2-vo
> > 3574 gvfs-afc-volume
> > 
> > Possibly the '...-volume' stuff is touching the disks, but there are no
> > man pages for most of these things.
> 
> Those are "user units".
> 
> Since you're running KDE you can bring up System Settings and scroll down to 
> systemd and find the units
> in the user tab and stop them.  Then see if that makes a difference.

Fascinating, I'd never noticed that. However as I replied to Roger,
even stopping all GVFS processes (and logging out of KDE) makes no
difference.

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perl-Math-GSL

Hello,

I could not compile perl-Math-GSL-0.40 because this package does not deal
with gsl 2.6
Thus, I installed gsl 2.5 independently of gsl 2.6 (gsl-2.6-2.fc32.x86_64)
and I was able to build the rpm package which requires libgsl.so.23

I put a link to this library (provided by gsl 2.5) in /usr/lib64
and run ldconfig

But
dnf install 
/home/pdupre/rpmbuild/RPMS/x86_64/perl-Math-GSL-0.40-1.fc32.x86_64.rpm

is not happy
Last metadata expiration check: 1:53:24 ago on Wed 03 Jun 2020 09:26:44 AM CEST.
Error: 
 Problem: conflicting requests
  - nothing provides libgsl.so.23()(64bit) needed by 
perl-Math-GSL-0.40-1.fc32.x86_64


How can I bypass this issue?

Thanks.

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Re: Multiboot question