Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On 8/13/20 1:48 AM, Todd Chester via users wrote: On 2020-08-12 16:16, Doug McGarrett wrote: Please tell me the difference between Free Office and SoftMaker Standard. std is version 2021 Free is version 2018 Thank you. --doug ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On 8/12/20 10:50 PM, Todd Chester via users wrote: Do you have any idea how much arguing I had to do to get LO to move that out of paragraph? I didn't know it was ever in there, but I agree that it shouldn't be. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On 2020-08-12 15:48, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 8/12/20 12:15 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 2020-08-11 23:13, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 8/11/20 9:24 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 2020-08-11 21:07, Samuel Sieb wrote: "Intuitive" is almost completely dependent on your previous experience. You are very forgiving. It belongs in Format-> page. NOT Insert->page breaks->More Breaks->manual breaks->Page Style. The reason it's there is because in order to change the page format you have to start a new page. And it's not really there anyway. The actual landscape setting is part of the style. Format->Page modifies the page settings for the currently active style. If you switch to the "Landscape" style, then Format->Page will show that you are in landscape. I guess you have to understand that LO operates at a higher level than just basic typing. You can do that, but you shouldn't, at least if you're writing something more than just a really basic memo. If you use styles properly, then you can make global layout and formatting changes easily. True. And since when do I need to be a rocket scientist to figure out. That is the issue. It should be in page format, period. I should not have to learn" what is under the hood to be able to use the thing. It's very clear in the documentation. A quick search for "landscape" gave me: https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/swriter/guide/pageorientation.html Oh and on what planet is the orientation of the page a "paragraph" format? Are you referring to LO or something else? In LO, the page orientation is in the page format right where it should be. Sam, Do you have any idea how much arguing I had to do to get LO to move that out of paragraph? -T ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On 2020-08-12 16:16, Doug McGarrett wrote: Please tell me the difference between Free Office and SoftMaker Standard. std is version 2021 Free is version 2018 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On 2020-08-13 10:10, Doug McGarrett wrote: > > > On 8/12/20 7:23 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 2020-08-13 07:16, Doug McGarrett wrote: >>> Please tell me the difference between Free Office and SoftMaker Standard. I >>> am going to install one or the other on my new computer running Linux >> You could use a google search to find >> >> https://www.softmaker.com/en/comparison-freeoffice-softmaker-office >> > I quote Todd and Margo: > > "SoftMaker Office has two types of licensing policies, SoftMaker Office NX > (subscription) and _SoftMaker Office 2021 Professional or Standard (lifetime > licenses_)." > > When I read "lifetime licenses" I do NOT read an annual fee for using the > software. Perhaps I'm wrong. I hope Todd and Margo will clarify this for me > and the > other interested parties who have been commenting on this subject. I would > actually rather just _buy_ the Professional version, one time, and have full > capabilities (and the authorization to use it on two or three machines at my > house, if possible) rather than settle for a watered-down version like Free > Office. > The old policy of offering free answers to simple questions for what was (I > thought) good for the life of the purchased software--i.e., at least until a > new version > was issued, was very attractive to me, and would still be. I am unhappy with > what amounts to a rental agreement, subject to eviction if you don't cough up > a > renewal fee every year. > > If you look at that page you will see (at least I see) 2 large boxes. One labeled "Subscribe" the other "Purchase". If you want to "Purchase", that is the one-time fee option. I can't quote you in your currency since my location gives it to me in NT$ and I don't think you're in Taiwan. Standard is NT$2,599 and Professional NT$3,299 for a one time purchase. -- The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Looking for help to install python kivy
On 13Aug2020 01:46, Paul Smith wrote: >I am trying to install kivy on Fedora 32, but I cannot find a rpm and >pip runs into errors. > >Could someone please help me to install kivy on Fedora 32? I haven't a Fedora box to hand, but I just ran this on the local Ubuntu box: [~]borg*> pip3 install kivy + exec /home/cameron/bin-cs/python3 -m pip install kivy Collecting kivy Downloading Kivy-1.11.1-cp37-cp37m-manylinux2010_x86_64.whl (28.3 MB) || 28.3 MB 242 kB/s Collecting pygments Downloading Pygments-2.6.1-py3-none-any.whl (914 kB) || 914 kB 2.7 MB/s Collecting Kivy-Garden>=0.1.4 Downloading kivy-garden-0.1.4.tar.gz (6.8 kB) Collecting docutils Downloading docutils-0.16-py2.py3-none-any.whl (548 kB) || 548 kB 3.5 MB/s Collecting requests Downloading requests-2.24.0-py2.py3-none-any.whl (61 kB) || 61 kB 490 kB/s Requirement already satisfied: certifi>=2017.4.17 in ./var/venv/3.7.5-ubuntu/lib/python3.7/site-packages (from requests->Kivy-Garden>=0.1.4->kivy) (2020.6.20) Collecting chardet<4,>=3.0.2 Downloading chardet-3.0.4-py2.py3-none-any.whl (133 kB) || 133 kB 3.3 MB/s Requirement already satisfied: urllib3!=1.25.0,!=1.25.1,<1.26,>=1.21.1 in ./var/venv/3.7.5-ubuntu/lib/python3.7/site-packages (from requests->Kivy-Garden>=0.1.4->kivy) (1.25.9) Collecting idna<3,>=2.5 Downloading idna-2.10-py2.py3-none-any.whl (58 kB) || 58 kB 1.7 MB/s Building wheels for collected packages: Kivy-Garden Building wheel for Kivy-Garden (setup.py) ... done Created wheel for Kivy-Garden: filename=Kivy_Garden-0.1.4-py3-none-any.whl size=4531 sha256=2fc31ccb2b56bf3da0de7a1283ce7519c1964a5b9b868a9b56984a0d97f1cfcd Stored in directory: /home/cameron/var/cache/pip/wheels/3f/43/e3/50289d555356f0421d1c388c82d052d5788f22a34d0cd8659d Successfully built Kivy-Garden Installing collected packages: pygments, chardet, idna, requests, Kivy-Garden, docutils, kivy Successfully installed Kivy-Garden-0.1.4 chardet-3.0.4 docutils-0.16 idna-2.10 kivy-1.11.1 pygments-2.6.1 requests-2.24.0 That's installing to a Python 3.7 virtualenv. I have no ideal if it runs. Can you transcribe your pip issues? Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On 8/12/20 7:23 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 2020-08-13 07:16, Doug McGarrett wrote: Please tell me the difference between Free Office and SoftMaker Standard. I am going to install one or the other on my new computer running Linux You could use a google search to find https://www.softmaker.com/en/comparison-freeoffice-softmaker-office I quote Todd and Margo: "SoftMaker Office has two types of licensing policies, SoftMaker Office NX (subscription) and _SoftMaker Office 2021 Professional or Standard (lifetime licenses_)." When I read "lifetime licenses" I do NOT read an annual fee for using the software. Perhaps I'm wrong. I hope Todd and Margo will clarify this for me and the other interested parties who have been commenting on this subject. I would actually rather just _buy_ the Professional version, one time, and have full capabilities (and the authorization to use it on two or three machines at my house, if possible) rather than settle for a watered-down version like Free Office. The old policy of offering free answers to simple questions for what was (I thought) good for the life of the purchased software--i.e., at least until a new version was issued, was very attractive to me, and would still be. I am unhappy with what amounts to a rental agreement, subject to eviction if you don't cough up a renewal fee every year. --doug ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On 8/12/20 7:16 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote: On 8/12/20 4:13 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 2020-08-11 16:13, Doug McGarrett wrote: On 8/11/20 4:53 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 2020-08-11 12:31, Doug McGarrett wrote: I like Softmaker Office I am seeing a 30 day trial (.rpm's, yippee) but no free version ___ It's been a while since I looked at the website. It turns out that there is now "FreeOffice" with a reasonably full text processor, that can write PDFs as well as text, and fairly limited spreadsheet and slide maker. As I'm going to have to put a word processor and spread-sheet reader (not writer) on this new machine, I will probably install Free Office. That's what i basically need. I occasionally get emailed a schedule for something I participate in, in spread-sheet format, and as long as I can read that and print it, it's enough for me. YMMV (If it turns out I have no choice for some reason, I'll pay the $49.95 per year. To me it would be worth it.) --doug Dear customer, SoftMaker Office has two types of licensing policies, SoftMaker Office NX (subscription) and SoftMaker Office 2021 Professional or Standard (lifetime licenses). Best regards, SoftMaker Team ___ Please tell me the difference between Free Office and SoftMaker Standard. I am going to install one or the other on my new computer running Linux, and I would prefer whichever is most nearly like the old SoftMaker Office that was free up to maybe 3 or 4 years ago, which I still have on another machine. Thanx! --doug I didn't read the whole thing! What's the difference between Professional, Standard, and Free Office? I won't mind a one-time charge, but I don't like the idea of being held hostage to something that expires every year. --doug ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On 2020-08-13 07:16, Doug McGarrett wrote: > Please tell me the difference between Free Office and SoftMaker Standard. I > am going to install one or the other on my new computer running Linux You could use a google search to find https://www.softmaker.com/en/comparison-freeoffice-softmaker-office -- The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Looking for help to install python kivy
Dear All, I am trying to install kivy on Fedora 32, but I cannot find a rpm and pip runs into errors. Could someone please help me to install kivy on Fedora 32? Thanks in advance, Paul ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: xsane and simple-scan
On 8/12/20 5:02 AM, Mike Flannigan wrote: I hadn't tried simple-scan until now. It doesn't automatically detect the scan size on my scanner, and I don't see a way to adjust for scan size. Otherwise it does work pretty good. Right-click, crop, select size. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On 8/12/20 4:13 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 2020-08-11 16:13, Doug McGarrett wrote: On 8/11/20 4:53 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 2020-08-11 12:31, Doug McGarrett wrote: I like Softmaker Office I am seeing a 30 day trial (.rpm's, yippee) but no free version ___ It's been a while since I looked at the website. It turns out that there is now "FreeOffice" with a reasonably full text processor, that can write PDFs as well as text, and fairly limited spreadsheet and slide maker. As I'm going to have to put a word processor and spread-sheet reader (not writer) on this new machine, I will probably install Free Office. That's what i basically need. I occasionally get emailed a schedule for something I participate in, in spread-sheet format, and as long as I can read that and print it, it's enough for me. YMMV (If it turns out I have no choice for some reason, I'll pay the $49.95 per year. To me it would be worth it.) --doug Dear customer, SoftMaker Office has two types of licensing policies, SoftMaker Office NX (subscription) and SoftMaker Office 2021 Professional or Standard (lifetime licenses). Best regards, SoftMaker Team ___ Please tell me the difference between Free Office and SoftMaker Standard. I am going to install one or the other on my new computer running Linux, and I would prefer whcihever is most nearly like the old SoftMaker Office that was free up to maybe 3 or 4 years ago, which I still have on another machine. Thanx! --doug PS--Didn't know that you two folks are reps for SoftMaker Office; are you in the US? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On 8/11/20 10:02 PM, Tim via users wrote: On Tue, 2020-08-11 at 19:59 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote: I have tried to copy and paste some received printed copy into Libre Office and it seems like I always get some big black rectangular objects in the copied file. One reason I don't use it. Never seen it do that. I've seen it, and when I do I use edit->paste special->past unformatted text. It takes out the formatting which removes the black objects. Of course, then it has to be reformatted. I've used openoffice and eventually libreoffice for a long time. About 10-12 years ago I wrote my PhD with openoffice. Soon after, I wrote my book with it. It was a steep learning curve at first, because I'd had no training in the kind of formatting expected by publishers. But I really learned to love how style sheets work, how easy it was to just change the stylesheet and have the text ready for another publisher to look at and so on. I use stylesheets all the time now, even though I rarely change them unless submitting an article for publication, or whatever. Rikke ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On 8/12/20 12:15 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 2020-08-11 23:13, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 8/11/20 9:24 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 2020-08-11 21:07, Samuel Sieb wrote: "Intuitive" is almost completely dependent on your previous experience. You are very forgiving. It belongs in Format-> page. NOT Insert->page breaks->More Breaks->manual breaks->Page Style. The reason it's there is because in order to change the page format you have to start a new page. And it's not really there anyway. The actual landscape setting is part of the style. Format->Page modifies the page settings for the currently active style. If you switch to the "Landscape" style, then Format->Page will show that you are in landscape. I guess you have to understand that LO operates at a higher level than just basic typing. You can do that, but you shouldn't, at least if you're writing something more than just a really basic memo. If you use styles properly, then you can make global layout and formatting changes easily. True. And since when do I need to be a rocket scientist to figure out. That is the issue. It should be in page format, period. I should not have to learn" what is under the hood to be able to use the thing. It's very clear in the documentation. A quick search for "landscape" gave me: https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/swriter/guide/pageorientation.html Oh and on what planet is the orientation of the page a "paragraph" format? Are you referring to LO or something else? In LO, the page orientation is in the page format right where it should be. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On Wed, 2020-08-12 at 12:19 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > On 2020-08-11 21:54, Tim via users wrote: > > On Tue, 2020-08-11 at 21:24 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > > > You are very forgiving. It belongs in Format-> page. > > > > That I can agree on. It's logical to have a format - page option > > format the current page. And it's logical for there to be a separate > > format - document option for the whole document. > > > > > > You should not have to be a programming genius to use a > word processor. And on what planet is page orientation > a "paragraph" feature? Test Maker suffers from this too. It's a mistake to think of a book as if it were simply a very long memo. Fully developed document formatting is much more than "word processing". Publishers have a "house style" which can be supplied to authors in the form of LaTeX files, or maybe even as Word files. What the author has to do is follow the style. Unfortunately, the word processor mentality acts against this and everybody becomes their own designer. > I wonder if "paragraph" means something different in British English > that it does in American English. Sort of like > in American English "college" is a university and in British > English it is a trade school. Eton College is not a trade school. All Souls College, Oxford is not a trade school. The Royal College of Surgeons is not a trade school. I could go on ... Paragraph means the same on both sides, despite the two countries being divided by a common language. poc (Systems analyst, Cambridge University Press, 1973, working on one of the first computerised book preparation systems on Data General minis programmed in BCPL :-) ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On 2020-08-11 16:13, Doug McGarrett wrote: On 8/11/20 4:53 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 2020-08-11 12:31, Doug McGarrett wrote: I like Softmaker Office I am seeing a 30 day trial (.rpm's, yippee) but no free version ___ It's been a while since I looked at the website. It turns out that there is now "FreeOffice" with a reasonably full text processor, that can write PDFs as well as text, and fairly limited spreadsheet and slide maker. As I'm going to have to put a word processor and spread-sheet reader (not writer) on this new machine, I will probably install Free Office. That's what i basically need. I occasionally get emailed a schedule for something I participate in, in spread-sheet format, and as long as I can read that and print it, it's enough for me. YMMV (If it turns out I have no choice for some reason, I'll pay the $49.95 per year. To me it would be worth it.) --doug Dear customer, SoftMaker Office has two types of licensing policies, SoftMaker Office NX (subscription) and SoftMaker Office 2021 Professional or Standard (lifetime licenses). Best regards, SoftMaker Team ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On 2020-08-12 12:28, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 2020-08-11 16:13, Doug McGarrett wrote: On 8/11/20 4:53 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 2020-08-11 12:31, Doug McGarrett wrote: I like Softmaker Office I am seeing a 30 day trial (.rpm's, yippee) but no free version ___ It's been a while since I looked at the website. It turns out that there is now "FreeOffice" with a reasonably full text processor, that can write PDFs as well as text, and fairly limited spreadsheet and slide maker. As I'm going to have to put a word processor and spread-sheet reader (not writer) on this new machine, I will probably install Free Office. That's what i basically need. I occasionally get emailed a schedule for something I participate in, in spread-sheet format, and as long as I can read that and print it, it's enough for me. YMMV (If it turns out I have no choice for some reason, I'll pay the $49.95 per year. To me it would be worth it.) --doug The spread sheet is loading my odx files a good 10 tines faster that LO Calc The word processor will not open password protected Libre Office odt's. Dang ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On 2020-08-11 16:13, Doug McGarrett wrote: On 8/11/20 4:53 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 2020-08-11 12:31, Doug McGarrett wrote: I like Softmaker Office I am seeing a 30 day trial (.rpm's, yippee) but no free version ___ It's been a while since I looked at the website. It turns out that there is now "FreeOffice" with a reasonably full text processor, that can write PDFs as well as text, and fairly limited spreadsheet and slide maker. As I'm going to have to put a word processor and spread-sheet reader (not writer) on this new machine, I will probably install Free Office. That's what i basically need. I occasionally get emailed a schedule for something I participate in, in spread-sheet format, and as long as I can read that and print it, it's enough for me. YMMV (If it turns out I have no choice for some reason, I'll pay the $49.95 per year. To me it would be worth it.) --doug The spread sheet is loading my odx files a good 10 tines faster that LO Calc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On 2020-08-11 21:54, Tim via users wrote: On Tue, 2020-08-11 at 21:24 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: You are very forgiving. It belongs in Format-> page. That I can agree on. It's logical to have a format - page option format the current page. And it's logical for there to be a separate format - document option for the whole document. You should not have to be a programming genius to use a word processor. And on what planet is page orientation a "paragraph" feature? Test Maker suffers from this too. I wonder if "paragraph" means something different in British English that it does in American English. Sort of like in American English "college" is a university and in British English it is a trade school. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On 2020-08-11 23:13, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 8/11/20 9:24 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 2020-08-11 21:07, Samuel Sieb wrote: "Intuitive" is almost completely dependent on your previous experience. You are very forgiving. It belongs in Format-> page. NOT Insert->page breaks->More Breaks->manual breaks->Page Style. The reason it's there is because in order to change the page format you have to start a new page. And it's not really there anyway. The actual landscape setting is part of the style. Format->Page modifies the page settings for the currently active style. If you switch to the "Landscape" style, then Format->Page will show that you are in landscape. I guess you have to understand that LO operates at a higher level than just basic typing. You can do that, but you shouldn't, at least if you're writing something more than just a really basic memo. If you use styles properly, then you can make global layout and formatting changes easily. True. And since when do I need to be a rocket scientist to figure out. That is the issue. It should be in page format, period. I should not have to learn" what is under the hood to be able to use the thing. Oh and on what planet is the orientation of the page a "paragraph" format? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On Wed, 2020-08-12 at 14:39 -0400, Temlakos wrote: > Then if no one you know uses LaTeX anymore, how does one render > mathematical equations other than by drawing the image of math and > embedding such images directly? > > Temlakos > > I sort of changed careers. I'm trained in medicine as a forensic pathologist and in computer science. Early in my career, I wrote visualization algorithms for 3D reconstruction of confocal microscopy images, ran a military scientific computer network, and did image analysis/image processing of images of forensic interest for the federal government. When I left the miltary, I transitioned into doing more conventional medicolegal death investigation and autopsy pathology. So, mostly I do death investigation now. Most of my later research had to do with the latter, and didn't require formatting equations. And now, I'm 16 months from retirement -- but who's counting? billo ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On 2020-08-12 01:53, Peter Boy wrote: Am 12.08.2020 um 00:39 schrieb ToddAndMargo via users : So I put him on LO. He is writing up a book or something. If he is really writing a book (i.e. more than 100 pages) he should really use LO. Much better support e.g. for a consistent page construction, consistent formatting using templates and other features extremely relevant for the composition of a book (at least if at a minimum semi-professional layout and typographic quality criteria should be fulfilled). I can only judge o how many times he calls me for help. Three times a week with LO; twice in two months with Word. One was not even a Word issue. I can't get anyone to adopt LO: too weird; too buggy. I use it, but am constantly pissed (American for angry, not drunk) at all the bugs and weird ways of doing things. I have to constantly stop my train of thought and look up how to do things and work around bugs I really do want to like LO, but ... ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 15:40, Temlakos wrote: > Then if no one you know uses LaTeX anymore, how does one render > mathematical equations other than by drawing the image of math and > embedding such images directly? > The internet has people who use LaTeX. You don't have to know them. LaTeX is used by R and other systems to format documentation, so many linux systems have texlive packages installed One of the contributions of TeX is a machine friendly way to encode maths. Many "word processors" and markup languages have menus of math symbols, but also allow you to enter equations using TeX markup. See: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math/Help:Formula for examples LaTeX and others (ConTeXt) support sections, chapters, bibliographies, indexes, etc. that are handled differently if at all by other processors and markups. -- George N. White III ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On 2020-08-11 22:01, Tim via users wrote: I've found users really pissed off with word, the oddball unexpected things it does, the unintuitive features that just cannot be used without deep explanation (that don't make sense when explained, either), the features that refuse to work as advertised. And the users that decided they'd use word at home, because they did at work, and found out that their version was nothing like the version they had at work, nor the version they took a course on, and the knowledge wasn't transferable because it was so different (different looking, differently arranged, behaved different). Ya, no debate there. Problem is that my customers still choose all the problems above over Libre Office (LO). Which makes LO worse. I do believe the users find the problems far sooner with LO that they do with M$O. M$ does not publish quality software. M$O 2003 was their last nice, pre-bloatware suite. I have customers still using it ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On 08/12/2020 12:39 PM, Temlakos wrote: Then if no one you know uses LaTeX anymore, how does one render mathematical equations other than by drawing the image of math and embedding such images directly? You can create and insert formulas in LO as you need. All you need is to go to the Help section and look it up. It's not exactly rocket surgery. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On 8/12/20 2:49 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 8/12/20 11:39 AM, Temlakos wrote: >> Then if no one you know uses LaTeX anymore, how does one render >> mathematical equations other than by drawing the image of math and >> embedding such images directly? > > LibreOffice has a decent equation editor. I'm guessing Word probably > has one too. > ___ And MediaWiki? Temlakos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On 8/12/20 11:39 AM, Temlakos wrote: Then if no one you know uses LaTeX anymore, how does one render mathematical equations other than by drawing the image of math and embedding such images directly? LibreOffice has a decent equation editor. I'm guessing Word probably has one too. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
Then if no one you know uses LaTeX anymore, how does one render mathematical equations other than by drawing the image of math and embedding such images directly? Temlakos On 8/12/20 10:50 AM, William Oliver wrote: > Wow. I didn't know people still used TeX/LaTeX a lot any more. I > remember having to use it all the time for stuff I wrote when in > graduate school in the 1980s, but I thought it had pretty much fallen > out of favor except for die-hard users. I haven't used it in years. > But what do I know. I still remember (and pine for) the keystroke > commands for WordStar. > > From reading this discussion, it seems that the primary complaints > against LibreOffice are larger scale layout issues. I may have missed > it, and if someone has mentioned it earlier, I apologize. What about > just importing into a publishing/layout program like Scribus? It seems > that this would make it trivial to do various orientations, etc. Of > course, just as word processing programs are not the best desktop > publshing systems, the desktop publishing apps tend to make poor word > processors... > > Another possibility might be to import the odt file into Libreoffice > Draw and use that for layout changes. > > billo > > > > On Wed, 2020-08-12 at 08:44 -0300, George N. White III wrote: >> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 02:12, Tim via users < >> users@lists.fedoraproject.org> >> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 2020-08-11 at 15:39 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: So I put him on LO. He is writing up a book or something. >>> A word processor, any word processor, is not a particularly good >>> choice >>> for writing a book. They've long since gone from being a "word >>> processor" to being a secretary's all-purpose convoluted typing >>> tool. >>> >>> They're not particularly conducive to writing paragraphs and pages >>> as >>> just paragraphs and pages, often horrible at very long documents, >>> and >>> not really good for doing page layout. Probably not a very useful >>> format if you were going to take a book to a printing house, >>> either. >>> >> Many print shops want standards compliant PDF's, some will accept >> Word. My wife once needed a fanfold handout, so I created a PDF >> using LaTeX. The printer remarked that it had been years since he >> had seen formatting of comparable quality. Now Word has a >> TeX engine. >> >> >>> Latex is the usual suggestion for real authors, but will be even >>> more >>> of a bastard to use if you're not into that kind of thing. >>> >> LaTeX doesn't have to be difficult if you are working with an >> academic >> publisher that supports it. Many of the people who found it >> difficult >> were following bad advice that is all too easy to find on the >> internet. >> >> LaTeX is designed to allow authors to focus on the logical structure >> of a document. Details of formatting are handled by a "document >> class", and scientific publishers usually provide a document class >> that conforms to the style of a particular book series. Authors >> need to learn some LaTeX markup commands, usually by >> imitating a sample document from the publisher or a colleague's >> previous published LaTeX file.At my former work dozens of >> students and postdocs who had been using Word were able to >> switch to LaTeX with minimal effort. There are sometimes >> glitches that need help from an experienced user. In academia >> such help is readily available, but there are also many online >> sources of help. Unfortunately, the internet also has many >> sites offering really bad advice for LaTeX users. >> >> Many non-science publishers contract out the final tweaking/editing >> and rarely contractors who use anything other than Word. >> >> It is worth noting that LaTeX originated on systems with ASCII >> character sets. There has been a big effort to support Unicode >> fonts, including work by a consortium of academic publishers and >> societies to develop high quality free Unicode fonts (STIX2) with >> comprehensive coverage of scientific symbols. Microsoft developed >> Cambria Math. These efforts also led to a new "TeX engine", LuaTeX, >> so those who need Unicode support are well advised to use LuaLaTeX. >> For linux, LuaLaTeX is provided by TeX Live, which is packaged by >> linux distros and also available from the TeX User Group (tug.org). >> >> ___ >> users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org >> Fedora Code of Conduct: >> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >> List Guidelines: >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >> List Archives: >> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On Wednesday, 12 August 2020 13.15.43 WEST Tony Nelson wrote: > Lyx. https://www.lyx.org/Features The list of user of LyX is quite varied. Quite surprising to me was that there were people from law, linguists and also for Hollywood and Broadway scripts. Regards, -- José Matos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 11:51, William Oliver wrote: > Wow. I didn't know people still used TeX/LaTeX a lot any more. I > remember having to use it all the time for stuff I wrote when in > graduate school in the 1980s, but I thought it had pretty much fallen > out of favor except for die-hard users. I haven't used it in years. > But what do I know. I still remember (and pine for) the keystroke > commands for WordStar. > I installed an old copy of Wordstar in the 1990's for use by visitors from Japan who came with Wordstar documents. We added TeX or LaTeX markup (LaTeX was a bit much for 8086 MSDOS systems). > From reading this discussion, it seems that the primary complaints > against LibreOffice are larger scale layout issues. I may have missed > it, and if someone has mentioned it earlier, I apologize. What about > just importing into a publishing/layout program like Scribus? It seems > that this would make it trivial to do various orientations, etc. Of > course, just as word processing programs are not the best desktop > publshing systems, the desktop publishing apps tend to make poor word > processors... > > Another possibility might be to import the odt file into Libreoffice > Draw and use that for layout changes. > Document creation has many use cases, with the result that there are many good specialized tools. Problems can be expected when you try to abuse an application to handle a use case that is outside the app's wheelhouse,. One reason a use case is fails on a given app is that people who have the same use case are working with a different app. If you can find examples from a similar use case, you may be able to ask the authors which app they like. -- George N. White III ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
Wow. I didn't know people still used TeX/LaTeX a lot any more. I remember having to use it all the time for stuff I wrote when in graduate school in the 1980s, but I thought it had pretty much fallen out of favor except for die-hard users. I haven't used it in years. But what do I know. I still remember (and pine for) the keystroke commands for WordStar. From reading this discussion, it seems that the primary complaints against LibreOffice are larger scale layout issues. I may have missed it, and if someone has mentioned it earlier, I apologize. What about just importing into a publishing/layout program like Scribus? It seems that this would make it trivial to do various orientations, etc. Of course, just as word processing programs are not the best desktop publshing systems, the desktop publishing apps tend to make poor word processors... Another possibility might be to import the odt file into Libreoffice Draw and use that for layout changes. billo On Wed, 2020-08-12 at 08:44 -0300, George N. White III wrote: > On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 02:12, Tim via users < > users@lists.fedoraproject.org> > wrote: > > > On Tue, 2020-08-11 at 15:39 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > > > So I put him on LO. He is writing up a book or something. > > > > A word processor, any word processor, is not a particularly good > > choice > > for writing a book. They've long since gone from being a "word > > processor" to being a secretary's all-purpose convoluted typing > > tool. > > > > They're not particularly conducive to writing paragraphs and pages > > as > > just paragraphs and pages, often horrible at very long documents, > > and > > not really good for doing page layout. Probably not a very useful > > format if you were going to take a book to a printing house, > > either. > > > > Many print shops want standards compliant PDF's, some will accept > Word. My wife once needed a fanfold handout, so I created a PDF > using LaTeX. The printer remarked that it had been years since he > had seen formatting of comparable quality. Now Word has a > TeX engine. > > > > Latex is the usual suggestion for real authors, but will be even > > more > > of a bastard to use if you're not into that kind of thing. > > > > LaTeX doesn't have to be difficult if you are working with an > academic > publisher that supports it. Many of the people who found it > difficult > were following bad advice that is all too easy to find on the > internet. > > LaTeX is designed to allow authors to focus on the logical structure > of a document. Details of formatting are handled by a "document > class", and scientific publishers usually provide a document class > that conforms to the style of a particular book series. Authors > need to learn some LaTeX markup commands, usually by > imitating a sample document from the publisher or a colleague's > previous published LaTeX file.At my former work dozens of > students and postdocs who had been using Word were able to > switch to LaTeX with minimal effort. There are sometimes > glitches that need help from an experienced user. In academia > such help is readily available, but there are also many online > sources of help. Unfortunately, the internet also has many > sites offering really bad advice for LaTeX users. > > Many non-science publishers contract out the final tweaking/editing > and rarely contractors who use anything other than Word. > > It is worth noting that LaTeX originated on systems with ASCII > character sets. There has been a big effort to support Unicode > fonts, including work by a consortium of academic publishers and > societies to develop high quality free Unicode fonts (STIX2) with > comprehensive coverage of scientific symbols. Microsoft developed > Cambria Math. These efforts also led to a new "TeX engine", LuaTeX, > so those who need Unicode support are well advised to use LuaLaTeX. > For linux, LuaLaTeX is provided by TeX Live, which is packaged by > linux distros and also available from the TeX User Group (tug.org). > > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On August 12, 2020 1:11:51 AM EDT, Tim via users wrote: >On Tue, 2020-08-11 at 15:39 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: >> So I put him on LO. He is writing up a book or something. > >A word processor, any word processor, is not a particularly good choice >for writing a book. ... >Latex is the usual suggestion for real authors, but will be even more >of a bastard to use if you're not into that kind of thing. Lyx. -- TonyN Android K-9 Mail. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
xsane and simple-scan
It is hard to argue that xsane is simple and intuitive, but it does do a good job after you learn it. Even the GOCR is respectable. I hadn't tried simple-scan until now. It doesn't automatically detect the scan size on my scanner, and I don't see a way to adjust for scan size. Otherwise it does work pretty good. Mike On 8/11/20 11:38 PM, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: Have use used xsane and simple-scan? One is a nightmare GUI and one is wonderfully done. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 02:12, Tim via users wrote: > On Tue, 2020-08-11 at 15:39 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > > So I put him on LO. He is writing up a book or something. > > A word processor, any word processor, is not a particularly good choice > for writing a book. They've long since gone from being a "word > processor" to being a secretary's all-purpose convoluted typing tool. > > They're not particularly conducive to writing paragraphs and pages as > just paragraphs and pages, often horrible at very long documents, and > not really good for doing page layout. Probably not a very useful > format if you were going to take a book to a printing house, either. > Many print shops want standards compliant PDF's, some will accept Word. My wife once needed a fanfold handout, so I created a PDF using LaTeX. The printer remarked that it had been years since he had seen formatting of comparable quality. Now Word has a TeX engine. > > Latex is the usual suggestion for real authors, but will be even more > of a bastard to use if you're not into that kind of thing. > LaTeX doesn't have to be difficult if you are working with an academic publisher that supports it. Many of the people who found it difficult were following bad advice that is all too easy to find on the internet. LaTeX is designed to allow authors to focus on the logical structure of a document. Details of formatting are handled by a "document class", and scientific publishers usually provide a document class that conforms to the style of a particular book series. Authors need to learn some LaTeX markup commands, usually by imitating a sample document from the publisher or a colleague's previous published LaTeX file.At my former work dozens of students and postdocs who had been using Word were able to switch to LaTeX with minimal effort. There are sometimes glitches that need help from an experienced user. In academia such help is readily available, but there are also many online sources of help. Unfortunately, the internet also has many sites offering really bad advice for LaTeX users. Many non-science publishers contract out the final tweaking/editing and rarely contractors who use anything other than Word. It is worth noting that LaTeX originated on systems with ASCII character sets. There has been a big effort to support Unicode fonts, including work by a consortium of academic publishers and societies to develop high quality free Unicode fonts (STIX2) with comprehensive coverage of scientific symbols. Microsoft developed Cambria Math. These efforts also led to a new "TeX engine", LuaTeX, so those who need Unicode support are well advised to use LuaLaTeX. For linux, LuaLaTeX is provided by TeX Live, which is packaged by linux distros and also available from the TeX User Group (tug.org). -- George N. White III ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
On Wed, 2020-08-12 at 14:41 +0930, Tim via users wrote: > On Tue, 2020-08-11 at 15:39 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > > So I put him on LO. He is writing up a book or something. > > A word processor, any word processor, is not a particularly good choice > for writing a book. They've long since gone from being a "word > processor" to being a secretary's all-purpose convoluted typing tool. > > They're not particularly conducive to writing paragraphs and pages as > just paragraphs and pages, often horrible at very long documents, and > not really good for doing page layout. Probably not a very useful > format if you were going to take a book to a printing house, either. > > Latex is the usual suggestion for real authors, but will be even more > of a bastard to use if you're not into that kind of thing. Agreed, though https://www.overleaf.com/ might be worth a look. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
> Am 12.08.2020 um 00:39 schrieb ToddAndMargo via users > : > > So I put him on LO. He is writing up a book or something. If he is really writing a book (i.e. more than 100 pages) he should really use LO. Much better support e.g. for a consistent page construction, consistent formatting using templates and other features extremely relevant for the composition of a book (at least if at a minimum semi-professional layout and typographic quality criteria should be fulfilled). ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
Hi Sam, I really do want to like Libre Office, but... I have installed it over the years across two counties and I hae yet to have a SINGLE customer that has stayed with it. It is just too counter intuitive and buggy. In that case, pleased to meet you. I’ve started to use StarOffice, when it was purchased by the magnificent SUN company. I was one of the people that did the porting of (by then) OpenOffice for HP-UX 10.20. After the unfortunate L.O.-fork, I jumped, and kept using LO ever since. Current employer prefers LO over word, and actively supports it, and advocates this to my (several tens of thousands) colleges. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Dit bericht kan informatie bevatten die niet voor u is bestemd. Indien u niet de geadresseerde bent of dit bericht abusievelijk aan u is toegezonden, wordt u verzocht dat aan de afzender te melden en het bericht te verwijderen. De Staat aanvaardt geen aansprakelijkheid voor schade, van welke aard ook, die verband houdt met risico's verbonden aan het elektronisch verzenden van berichten. This message may contain information that is not intended for you. If you are not the addressee or if this message was sent to you by mistake, you are requested to inform the sender and delete the message. The State accepts no liability for damage of any kind resulting from the risks inherent in the electronic transmission of messages. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?
Sorry to disagree... From: "Tim via users" mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org>> Date: Wednesday, 12 August 2020 at 07:12:26 To: "users@lists.fedoraproject.org" mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org>> Cc: "Tim" mailto:ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au>> Subject: Re: Any subs for Libreoffice? On Tue, 2020-08-11 at 15:39 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > So I put him on LO. He is writing up a book or something. A word processor, any word processor, is not a particularly good choice for writing a book. They've long since gone from being a "word processor" to being a secretary's all-purpose convoluted typing tool. They're not particularly conducive to writing paragraphs and pages as just paragraphs and pages, often horrible at very long documents, and not really good for doing page layout. Probably not a very useful format if you were going to take a book to a printing house, either. I’ve written several YA books (each 120K -150K words), all done with LibreOffice. For the proof-of-concept, I even did the complete cover and spine with LibreOffice. Without *any* adjustments it produced perfect paperbacks and hard-covers. After several edit-iterations, the publishing house kept it that way. Latex is the usual suggestion for real authors, but will be even more of a bastard to use if you're not into that kind of thing. That depends. I only once was forced to use Latex. When including a single formula, you still can do this with L.O. But once I turned my math notes into something more readable. For such purpose LO (or OO, ms-word or anything else) are totally unusable. Then you need context-free data entry. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1127.18.2.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 26 15:27:06 UTC 2020 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Dit bericht kan informatie bevatten die niet voor u is bestemd. Indien u niet de geadresseerde bent of dit bericht abusievelijk aan u is toegezonden, wordt u verzocht dat aan de afzender te melden en het bericht te verwijderen. De Staat aanvaardt geen aansprakelijkheid voor schade, van welke aard ook, die verband houdt met risico's verbonden aan het elektronisch verzenden van berichten. This message may contain information that is not intended for you. If you are not the addressee or if this message was sent to you by mistake, you are requested to inform the sender and delete the message. The State accepts no liability for damage of any kind resulting from the risks inherent in the electronic transmission of messages. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
