Re: Fwd: Monitor mode (w. TP-Link WN722N & Fedora)

[Samuel Sieb]

On 9/28/20 8:38 PM, Fulko Hew wrote:
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 8:47 PM Samuel Sieb > wrote:

On 9/28/20 5:08 PM, Fulko Hew wrote:
 > It looks good, so I start Wireshark (v 2.28) (Fedora 26),

If that's the version you're using, there's no point asking here for
help.  Why are you using something so old?

Because that's what I currently have installed, and (rightly or wrongly)
I'm afraid to do a 'dnf upgrade'.  I've only ever done full installs
and reloads... so I'm afraid of the unknown.


It's "dnf system-upgrade" now and it works great.  However, you're so 
far behind now that you might as well just do a re-install.



you want to control the device.  Otherwise you will have that problem
where the interface gets taken away from Wireshark.  I will assume that
"wlp0s20f0u3" is your device.

nmcli dev set wlp0s20f0u3 managed off

yes, as per my previous message, I did turn 'manage' off.


I don't see anything in your first message about that.  Is there another 
thread going on the wireshark list?

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Re: Paste into GnuCash problem

[Samuel Sieb]

On 9/28/20 6:43 PM, Garry T. Williams wrote:

On Monday, September 28, 2020 9:07:32 PM EDT Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 9/28/20 5:59 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

only 2 selection buffers. :-)


There are four.

:-)  :-)


Fine, you made me look it up.  I was partially wrong.  The used buffers
are CLIPBOARD and PRIMARY instead of PRIMARY and SECONDARY as I stated.
No one uses SECONDARY.  So still only two used, but there is a third
that no one uses.


Perhaps he was making a reference to a Star Trek TNG episode?

(The smileys gave it away.)


Ah, yes, that is certainly possible.  Well, it gave me enough motivation 
to look it up anyway.

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Re: Fwd: Monitor mode (w. TP-Link WN722N & Fedora)

[Fulko Hew]

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 8:47 PM Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 9/28/20 5:08 PM, Fulko Hew wrote:
> > I'm trying to sniff my Wifi for a project, so I purchased a TP-Link
> > WN722N USB adapter
> > and followed the various instructions I've found on the Web.
> > When I plugged the adapter in I saw a new device 'wlp0s20f0u3' in
> addition
> > to my internal adapter 'wlps20'.
>
> > It looks good, so I start Wireshark (v 2.28) (Fedora 26),
>
> If that's the version you're using, there's no point asking here for
> help.  Why are you using something so old?
>

Because that's what I currently have installed, and (rightly or wrongly)
I'm afraid to do a 'dnf upgrade'.  I've only ever done full installs
and reloads... so I'm afraid of the unknown.

I do have another box running F32, that I could test on.
It would be a different configuration, but I could try it.

> and look at Wireshark's 'capture options' table, it shows the interface,
> > but under the heading 'Mon Mode', it shows disabled.
>
> In current Wireshark, that's a checkbox that you can click to turn
> monitor mode on or off.
>
> I will give you instructions for current Fedora, but I can't help with
> any issues caused by what you're running.
>
> Run "nmcli dev" to find out what the device is called.  In my case I get
> a line like:
> wlo1   wifi  connected Auto myssid
> If it doesn't say "unmanaged", then you need to tell NetworkManager that
> you want to control the device.  Otherwise you will have that problem
> where the interface gets taken away from Wireshark.  I will assume that
> "wlp0s20f0u3" is your device.
>
> nmcli dev set wlp0s20f0u3 managed off
>

yes, as per my previous message, I did turn 'manage' off.

> Now, just run Wireshark, check the monitor box for the interface and
> you're done.
>

OK, I'll try testing with the other box tomorrow.
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Re: WD Mycloud -

[Tim via users]

On Mon, 2020-09-28 at 15:44 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> I have  some JPEG files on a Western Digital My cloud drive that I
> would like to extract. I regret ever getting involved with it but now
> I need to get the files off it and the software they provide to do
> that is for Windows. Has anyone found a way to do this with Fedora,
> F-32 preferably?

I have done it in the past, though I've usually used such devices with
a Mac (which handle them easily, but the WD Cloud is crap at individual
users owning their own files).

If the device is set up properly (there's user-account options
available in its webpage interface), then they support Samba (SMB) and
can support NFS, can support FTP.  Some may even have a rudimentary
file browser in their webpage interface.

If you're at the end of your tether, you can disassemble the cloud
device, and plug the hard drive into a spare SATA port on your
computer, or use one of those SATA to USB adaptors, and just mount the
drive.  I've done that with a cloud that bricked itself, plugged it
into my Linux box, and double-clicked the icon that appeared on the
desktop for the large partition, and the system mounted it for me.

-- 
 
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Linux 3.10.0-1127.19.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Aug 25 17:23:54 UTC 2020 x86_64
 
Boilerplate:  All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted.
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Re: Paste into GnuCash problem

[Garry T. Williams]

On Monday, September 28, 2020 9:07:32 PM EDT Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 9/28/20 5:59 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> >> only 2 selection buffers. :-)
> > 
> > There are four.
> > 
> > :-)  :-)
> 
> Fine, you made me look it up.  I was partially wrong.  The used buffers 
> are CLIPBOARD and PRIMARY instead of PRIMARY and SECONDARY as I stated. 
> No one uses SECONDARY.  So still only two used, but there is a third 
> that no one uses.

Perhaps he was making a reference to a Star Trek TNG episode?

(The smileys gave it away.)

-- 
Garry T. Williams


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Re: Paste into GnuCash problem

[Samuel Sieb]

On 9/28/20 5:59 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-09-28 17:23, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 9/28/20 4:47 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-09-28 15:33, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 9/28/20 3:07 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-09-28 12:10, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 9/28/20 4:24 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

The primary clipboard (select and middle click) did not
work either.  RATS!

I have not tried the other two clipboards because I can
never remember how to use them


I've never heard of more than two.


Here is a nice article on them.   The article is on the
"The Secondary Selection" clipboard, but he video goes
into all four.

http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~lindsec/secondary-selection.html

I do not know if they are all active in Weyland as
I am using Xfce


As far as I can tell, he is somewhat confused.  By default, 
Copy/Paste uses the primary selection and highlighting goes to the 
secondary selection.  Some applications do work differently and 
there are tools to put content into each of those buffers.  The only 
4 I could find in the video was the list of ways to copy and paste 
text.


Oh they are all there.  I have figured it out several
times but keep forgetting.  But it is a bunch to take
in at once and I had to listen several times


If you figure it out again, then reply.  But until then, there are 
only 2 selection buffers. :-)


There are four.

:-)  :-)


Fine, you made me look it up.  I was partially wrong.  The used buffers 
are CLIPBOARD and PRIMARY instead of PRIMARY and SECONDARY as I stated. 
No one uses SECONDARY.  So still only two used, but there is a third 
that no one uses.

https://specifications.freedesktop.org/clipboards-spec/clipboards-latest.txt
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Re: Paste into GnuCash problem

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2020-09-28 17:23, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 9/28/20 4:47 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-09-28 15:33, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 9/28/20 3:07 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-09-28 12:10, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 9/28/20 4:24 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

The primary clipboard (select and middle click) did not
work either.  RATS!

I have not tried the other two clipboards because I can
never remember how to use them


I've never heard of more than two.


Here is a nice article on them.   The article is on the
"The Secondary Selection" clipboard, but he video goes
into all four.

http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~lindsec/secondary-selection.html

I do not know if they are all active in Weyland as
I am using Xfce


As far as I can tell, he is somewhat confused.  By default, 
Copy/Paste uses the primary selection and highlighting goes to the 
secondary selection.  Some applications do work differently and there 
are tools to put content into each of those buffers.  The only 4 I 
could find in the video was the list of ways to copy and paste text.


Oh they are all there.  I have figured it out several
times but keep forgetting.  But it is a bunch to take
in at once and I had to listen several times


If you figure it out again, then reply.  But until then, there are only 
2 selection buffers. :-)


There are four.

:-)  :-)


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Re: Fwd: Monitor mode (w. TP-Link WN722N & Fedora)

[Samuel Sieb]

On 9/28/20 5:08 PM, Fulko Hew wrote:
I'm trying to sniff my Wifi for a project, so I purchased a TP-Link 
WN722N USB adapter

and followed the various instructions I've found on the Web.
When I plugged the adapter in I saw a new device 'wlp0s20f0u3' in addition
to my internal adapter 'wlps20'.



It looks good, so I start Wireshark (v 2.28) (Fedora 26),


If that's the version you're using, there's no point asking here for 
help.  Why are you using something so old?



and look at Wireshark's 'capture options' table, it shows the interface,
but under the heading 'Mon Mode', it shows disabled.


In current Wireshark, that's a checkbox that you can click to turn 
monitor mode on or off.


I will give you instructions for current Fedora, but I can't help with 
any issues caused by what you're running.


Run "nmcli dev" to find out what the device is called.  In my case I get 
a line like:

wlo1   wifi  connected Auto myssid
If it doesn't say "unmanaged", then you need to tell NetworkManager that 
you want to control the device.  Otherwise you will have that problem 
where the interface gets taken away from Wireshark.  I will assume that 
"wlp0s20f0u3" is your device.


nmcli dev set wlp0s20f0u3 managed off

Now, just run Wireshark, check the monitor box for the interface and 
you're done.

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Re: Paste into GnuCash problem

[Samuel Sieb]

On 9/28/20 4:47 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-09-28 15:33, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 9/28/20 3:07 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-09-28 12:10, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 9/28/20 4:24 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

The primary clipboard (select and middle click) did not
work either.  RATS!

I have not tried the other two clipboards because I can
never remember how to use them


I've never heard of more than two.


Here is a nice article on them.   The article is on the
"The Secondary Selection" clipboard, but he video goes
into all four.

http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~lindsec/secondary-selection.html

I do not know if they are all active in Weyland as
I am using Xfce


As far as I can tell, he is somewhat confused.  By default, Copy/Paste 
uses the primary selection and highlighting goes to the secondary 
selection.  Some applications do work differently and there are tools 
to put content into each of those buffers.  The only 4 I could find in 
the video was the list of ways to copy and paste text.


Oh they are all there.  I have figured it out several
times but keep forgetting.  But it is a bunch to take
in at once and I had to listen several times


If you figure it out again, then reply.  But until then, there are only 
2 selection buffers. :-)

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Fwd: Monitor mode (w. TP-Link WN722N & Fedora)

[Fulko Hew]

F.Y.I. I also sent this to the Wireshark user's list to see if someone
there can help me.

--

I'm trying to sniff my Wifi for a project, so I purchased a TP-Link WN722N
USB adapter
and followed the various instructions I've found on the Web.
(I don't know if it's a Wireshark issue, a driver issue, or a Fedora issue.)

ip link set wlan0 down
iw wlan0 set monitor none
ip link set wlan0 up

When I plugged the adapter in I saw a new device 'wlp0s20f0u3' in addition
to my internal adapter 'wlps20'.

Using the instructions, it failed:
# iw set wlp0s20f0u3 down
# iw wlp0s20f0u3 set monitor none
command failed: No such device (-19)

-->   I don't know why?

So now that I have 2 adapters, I enabled the TPLink as my network
connection (successfully) and tried to put my on-board adapter
into monitor mode, instead:

# iw wlp2s0 set monitor none
# iwconfig
wlp2s0IEEE 802.11  Mode:Monitor  Tx-Power=22 dBm
  Retry short limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
  Power Management:on
# iplink set wlp2s0 up
#

It looks good, so I start Wireshark (v 2.28) (Fedora 26),
and look at Wireshark's 'capture options' table, it shows the interface,
but under the heading 'Mon Mode', it shows disabled.
(I also have 'Use promiscuous mode on all interfaces' enabled.)

--> Why does it show disabled?
--> Is it really disabled ?
--> How do I know which frequencies (or bands) it might be listening on?

I started sniffing, but it doesn't capture anything.

... And after about 2 minutes, I get a pop-up error message from Wireshark
saying:
 "The network adapter on which the capture was being
  done is no longer running; the capture has stopped."

Where to start ?

Thanks
Fulko
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Re: Paste into GnuCash problem

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2020-09-28 15:33, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 9/28/20 3:07 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-09-28 12:10, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 9/28/20 4:24 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

The primary clipboard (select and middle click) did not
work either.  RATS!

I have not tried the other two clipboards because I can
never remember how to use them


I've never heard of more than two.


Here is a nice article on them.   The article is on the
"The Secondary Selection" clipboard, but he video goes
into all four.

http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~lindsec/secondary-selection.html

I do not know if they are all active in Weyland as
I am using Xfce


As far as I can tell, he is somewhat confused.  By default, Copy/Paste 
uses the primary selection and highlighting goes to the secondary 
selection.  Some applications do work differently and there are tools to 
put content into each of those buffers.  The only 4 I could find in the 
video was the list of ways to copy and paste text.


Oh they are all there.  I have figured it out several
times but keep forgetting.  But it is a bunch to take
in at once and I had to listen several times
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Same issue...

[Robert]

Hi
  I have been experiencing issues with Firefox 80.0.1 on a Lenovo Laptop, which 
also has a Ryzen processor in it.  I have had to resort to using Chrome Browser 
as it is to unreliable.
Not sure this is the appropriate method to respond to the Email I received 
below but I thought I would give it a try.
Robert

"

I started to get frequent tabs crashes from the moment I
recently moved to new laptop.
Lenovo E14 Gen 2 with Ryzen 4500U has Firefox tab crash
often with the same 16GB which had no problems on oldish
Dell Latitude with Intel Gen 6th.

cheers, L.

On 18/05/2020 20:00, Max Pyziur wrote:


Greetings,

Lately, I've noticed that different tabs that I have open
in Firefox are crashing. This seems to have started
recently. They can be restored easily, but there's a
nuisance factor here.

Anyone else?

Hardware/Software basic deets:
Dell XPS 13 L322X laptop, vintage circa 2013.
1TB Samsung Solid state drive
8GB RAM
F32 - everything has been updated

Max Pyziur
p...@brama.com

"
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Re: Paste into GnuCash problem

[Samuel Sieb]

On 9/28/20 3:07 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-09-28 12:10, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 9/28/20 4:24 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

The primary clipboard (select and middle click) did not
work either.  RATS!

I have not tried the other two clipboards because I can
never remember how to use them


I've never heard of more than two.


Here is a nice article on them.   The article is on the
"The Secondary Selection" clipboard, but he video goes
into all four.

http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~lindsec/secondary-selection.html

I do not know if they are all active in Weyland as
I am using Xfce


As far as I can tell, he is somewhat confused.  By default, Copy/Paste 
uses the primary selection and highlighting goes to the secondary 
selection.  Some applications do work differently and there are tools to 
put content into each of those buffers.  The only 4 I could find in the 
video was the list of ways to copy and paste text.

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Re: Reload kernel?

[Tom H]

On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 12:56 AM Ed Greshko 
wrote:
> On 2020-09-27 04:47, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Sat, 2020-09-26 at 18:31 +, J.Witvliet--- via users wrote:
>>>
>>> This is exactly a selling item for SLES.
>>> Reloading the kernel without rebooting.
>>
>> A reference would be useful.
>
> Probably this.  https://www.suse.com/products/live-patching/

Ubuntu and RHEL provide a similar service.
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Re: Paste into GnuCash problem

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2020-09-28 12:10, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 9/28/20 4:24 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

The primary clipboard (select and middle click) did not
work either.  RATS!

I have not tried the other two clipboards because I can
never remember how to use them


I've never heard of more than two.



Here is a nice article on them.   The article is on the
"The Secondary Selection" clipboard, but he video goes
into all four.

http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~lindsec/secondary-selection.html

I do not know if they are all active in Weyland as
I am using Xfce

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Re: WD Mycloud -

[Mark C. Allman]

On 9/28/20 3:44 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
I have  some JPEG files on a Western Digital My cloud drive that I 
would like to extract. I regret ever getting involved with it but now 
I need to get the files off it and the software they provide to do 
that is for Windows. Has anyone found a way to do this with Fedora, 
F-32 preferably?


Bob

I had one several years ago. I used ssh access along with mounting via 
NFS,  A quick web search turned up: 
https://community.wd.com/t/documentation-for-using-ssh/218556



*Mark C. Allman, PMP, CSM, SSM*
Founder, See How You Ski, www.seehowyouski.com 
Sr. Project Manager/Scrum Master, Allman Professional Consulting, Inc., 
www.allmanpc.com 
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WD Mycloud -

[Bob Goodwin]

I have  some JPEG files on a Western Digital My cloud drive that I would 
like to extract. I regret ever getting involved with it but now I need 
to get the files off it and the software they provide to do that is for 
Windows. Has anyone found a way to do this with Fedora, F-32 preferably?


Bob

--
Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
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Re: Firefox stability?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 5/18/20 12:00 PM, Max Pyziur wrote:
Lately, I've noticed that different tabs that I have open in Firefox are 
crashing. This seems to have started recently. They can be restored 
easily, but there's a nuisance factor here.


I recently had a user with a similar problem.  Her gmail tab kept 
crashing.  I upgraded her Firefox from 79 to 80 and it didn't happen again.

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Re: Paste into GnuCash problem

[Samuel Sieb]

On 9/28/20 4:24 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

The primary clipboard (select and middle click) did not
work either.  RATS!

I have not tried the other two clipboards because I can
never remember how to use them


I've never heard of more than two.
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Re: [LibrePlanet]: New Presentation

[Dave Stevens]

On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:08:20 -0700
"Doug H."  wrote:

> And the feedback is...
> 
> Not Found

confirmed
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Re: [LibrePlanet]: New Presentation

[Doug H.]

On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, at 9:49 PM, Goo Goo Knox via users wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I am planning to apply for a session in upcoming LibrePlanet 
> conference, to present a topic on this project.
> 
> Here is the self-shot version of the presentation, 
> https://fs333.gounlimited.to/tea5ur5c2h2qzxfffn4yv5jg53piwzbdni5tp7o7twot3lgjhc2w5gxv2g5a/v.mp4
> 
> Please leave me a feedback. :-)


And the feedback is...

Not Found

The requested URL was not found on this server.


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Re: Reload kernel?

[Matthew Miller]

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 01:51:59AM -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> Somewhere I read that they were working on the ability
> to  start a new kernel after a dnf upgrde without rebooting.

The reason we want to do this is to avoid the need to re-enter your disk
encryption passphrase. It'll still mean everything restarts in this case.

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Re: Reload kernel?

[Jonathan Billings]

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 04:11:33PM -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> FC 32, x64
> Ext4
> Xfce 4.14
> 
> Occasionally, my computers slows down.  I have not been
> able to pin down why.  Top shows very little memory usage.
> 
> A 1 hour, 12 minute dump (dump/restore) takes 15 hours
> when this happens.  Pop up menus start to lag behind
> the mouse
> 
> I am trying to get around the reboot thing.
> 
> -T
> 
> A reboot ALWAYS fixes the issue.

Brendan Gregg has written several good talks and documents about
various Linux performance measurement tools.  You might want to see
what the kernel is doing when you see sluggish behavior.  

http://brendangregg.com/linuxperf.html

It does require some deep spelunking into the kernel internals, but it
is actually quite amazing what the kernel has for monitoring its
activities.  I use it quite often to debug filesystem behavior, just
poke around /sys/kernel/debug/tracing/events/.

https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v5.8/trace/events.html

From my experience, as an end user providing feedback, the kernel
developers really like it when you can point out a particular syscall
from the trace output that is misbehaving. 

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Re: Firefox stability?

[lejeczek via users]

I started to get frequent tabs crashes from the moment I
recently moved to new laptop.
Lenovo E14 Gen 2 with Ryzen 4500U has Firefox tab crash
often with the same 16GB which had no problems on oldish
Dell Latitude with Intel Gen 6th.

cheers, L.

On 18/05/2020 20:00, Max Pyziur wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> Lately, I've noticed that different tabs that I have open
> in Firefox are crashing. This seems to have started
> recently. They can be restored easily, but there's a
> nuisance factor here.
>
> Anyone else?
>
> Hardware/Software basic deets:
> Dell XPS 13 L322X laptop, vintage circa 2013.
> 1TB Samsung Solid state drive
> 8GB RAM
> F32 - everything has been updated
>
> Max Pyziur
> p...@brama.com
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Re: Reload kernel?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2020-09-28 03:41, Tim via users wrote:

On Sun, 2020-09-27 at 21:40 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

although Firefox is slow to open tabs, by what is new about that?


How many do you have open?



Varies all over the place.  The issue occurs even when
Firefox was never run.
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Re: Paste into GnuCash problem

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2020-09-28 03:20, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Mon, 2020-09-28 at 01:45 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Anyone know a workaround?   Any way to make GnuCash think I
am typing and not pasting?


At least on X11 (not sure about Wayland) there are two independent ways
of doing copy-paste.

One way is the familiar Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V combo (as in Windows).

The other way is simply to select the text, move the cursor to the
point of insertion, and click the middle mouse button.

I've often found that the select+click method will work where the Ctrl-
C/Ctrl-V way won't. I think this is because it's handled directly by
the window manager rather than by the application.

poc


The primary clipboard (select and middle click) did not
work either.  RATS!

I have not tried the other two clipboards because I can
never remember how to use them
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Re: Reload kernel?

[Tim via users]

On Sun, 2020-09-27 at 21:40 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> although Firefox is slow to open tabs, by what is new about that?

How many do you have open?

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Re: Paste into GnuCash problem

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2020-09-28 at 01:45 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> Anyone know a workaround?   Any way to make GnuCash think I
> am typing and not pasting?

At least on X11 (not sure about Wayland) there are two independent ways
of doing copy-paste.

One way is the familiar Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V combo (as in Windows).

The other way is simply to select the text, move the cursor to the
point of insertion, and click the middle mouse button.

I've often found that the select+click method will work where the Ctrl-
C/Ctrl-V way won't. I think this is because it's handled directly by
the window manager rather than by the application.

poc
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Re: Flatpak - Part 2

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2020-09-27 at 21:23 -0500, David wrote:
> My plan as stated before,  is simply to show people who have never used
> Fedora or Rawhide, how to get started, the pro & cons, the pitfalls, and
> most
> of all that you will be almost entirely on your own, and explain all that
> using
> newbie-language, street-talk, slang, vulgarities, comedy, metaphors, puns,
> etc.

Once again: this *the wrong place for that*. A mailing list is entirely
the wrong medium for what you say you want to do. People ask questions,
get help with issues, and move on. Despite it all being archived, it's
really not the way to establish a permanent set of recommendations or
guidance, especially for new users.

Get a blog, or participate in one of the on-line forums on Fedora.

poc
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Paste into GnuCash problem

[ToddAndMargo via users]

Hi All,

Fedora 32, x64
Xfce 4.14
gnucash-4.1-1.fc32.x86_64

I have a situation where I have the Date, Number, Description, Transfer, 
Payment, Charge loaded into the secondary clipboard ().  (Linux 
has four clipboards.)


When I paste (ctrl) into GnuCash, I can't get it to paste
across boundaries.  In other words everything goes into "date".

I have tried tabs and returns as delimiters.  (I can insert
anything I want if it is on the ascii table.)

When typing directly into GnuCash, a tabs moves you to the
next category.

Anyone know a workaround?   Any way to make GnuCash think I
am typing and not pasting?

Many thanks,
-T
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Re: flatpak question

[Andras Simon]

2020-09-28 4:06 UTC+02:00, Tim via users :

> The end of life just means what it says.  That Fedora 31 has run past
> the end of its life, it's now going to be ignored (no more updates
> produced for it) and you have to upgrade to the next release to stay
> current.

No, Fedora 31 is alive and well:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases
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Re: Reload kernel?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2020-09-28 00:13, j.witvl...@mindef.nl wrote:

Just another thought:
I observed (totally different conditions), that the system became 
sluggish beyond usable.
In most of those cases it was a lame dns-server that was to blame: 
active, but not resolving.


That would not slow down the local backups
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Re: Reload kernel?

[J.Witvliet--- via users]

Just another thought:
I observed (totally different conditions), that the system became sluggish 
beyond usable.
In most of those cases it was a lame dns-server that was to blame: active, but 
not resolving.


From: "Roger Heflin" mailto:rogerhef...@gmail.com>>
Date: Sunday, 27 September 2020 at 13:41:32
To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org>>
Cc: "ToddAndMargo" mailto:toddandma...@zoho.com>>
Subject: Re: Reload kernel?

>From the vmstat, all of the time is idle, you do not have any wait,
generally if you have a disk having issues the iowait will go up, but
you have zero.

Also from vmstat, the system time is low.

So the gui gets slow, a reboot clears it, does it clear up?

You might want to include a messages file from +=5 minutes of the the
issue happening.

Weird kernel bugs causing kernel lock issues would produce this
behavior, and would don't usually show on vmstat, but they can be seen
in the messages file.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 7:51 PM ToddAndMargo via users
 wrote:
>
>  >> On 2020-09-26 03:20, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>  >>> On Sat, 2020-09-26 at 01:45 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
>   On 2020-09-26 01:41, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>  > On Sat, 2020-09-26 at 00:38 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
>  >> Hi All,
>  >>
>  >> Is there a way to reload or restart the kernel without
>  >> having to reboot?
>  >
>  > No.
>  >
>  > poc
>
>
>   Poop!
>  
>   Thank you for the confirmation.
>  
>   Is the file system part of the kernel?  If not, is there
>   a way to restart it without rebooting?
>
>
>  >>> Depends what you mean by "the file system". Some filesystems are
>  >>> reloadable (either as a module or as FUSE), but others aren't. The
>  >>> underlying filesystem layer is a fixed part of the kernel.
>  >>>
>  >>> Maybe if you explained what you're trying to do, someone might be able
>  >>> to help.
>  >>>
>  >>> poc
>
>  >>
>  >> FC 32, x64
>  >> Ext4
>  >> Xfce 4.14
>  >>
>  >> Occasionally, my computers slows down.  I have not been
>  >> able to pin down why.  Top shows very little memory usage.
>  >>
>  >> A 1 hour, 12 minute dump (dump/restore) takes 15 hours
>  >> when this happens.  Pop up menus start to lag behind
>  >> the mouse
>  >>
>  >> I am trying to get around the reboot thing.
>  >>
>  >> -T
>  >>
>  >> A reboot ALWAYS fixes the issue.
>
> On 2020-09-26 16:22, Roger Heflin wrote:
>  > Usually that slow down is swapping.  Have you checked to see how much
>  > swap is in use?
>
> top - 17:39:41 up  1:55,  1 user,  load average: 0.26, 0.37, 0.37
>
> Tasks: 245 total,   2 running, 243 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
>
> %Cpu(s):  3.6 us,  0.8 sy,  0.0 ni, 95.2 id,  0.2 wa,  0.2 hi,  0.1 si,
> 0.0 st
>
> MiB Mem :  15896.7 total,  11478.9 free,   1867.8 used,   2550.0 buff/cache
>
> MiB Swap:   8031.0 total,   8031.0 free,  0.0 used.  1.0 avail Mem
>
>
>  >
>  > I have machines with 10gb of ram and that is not enough and used to
>  > get slowdowns prior to me setting up earlyoom.  With earlyoom it
>  > generally kills sets of firefox tabs and generally works ok, but I
>  > have had things get bad enough that it keeps killing the tab I want to
>  > view and then I have to find someone else to kill so I have enough
>  > ram.
>
> When it happens, it is instant
>
>  > if you have sysstat / sar installed it would have data you could view
>  > with sar -S that would tell you if it is swapping/paging.
>  >
>  > vmstat 1
>  >   swpd column, that is the numberof kb swapped, the higher it gets the
>  > uglier it gets.
>
> $ vmstat 1
> procs ---memory-- ---swap-- -io -system--
> --cpu-
>   r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   sobibo   in   cs us sy
> id wa st
>   1  0  0 11738732 150112 2474552007021  289  516  3
>   2 95  0  0
>   0  0  0 11749568 150112 246246400 0 0  615 1458  1
>   1 97  0  0
>   0  0  0 11749708 150112 246246400 0 0  488 1016  1
>   1 98  0  0
>   1  0  0 11749820 150128 246246400 0   296  478 1185  1
>   1 98  0  0
>   0  0  0 11749820 150128 246248000 0 0  477 1068  2
>   1 98  0  0
>   0  0  0 11749568 150128 246246400 0 8  480 1043  1
>   1 99  0  0
>   0  0  0 11749048 150144 246246400 0   244  693 1425  2
>   1 97  0  0
>
>
>  >
>  > And if it is the most likely memory usage, rebooting the kernel would
>  > not fix anything as memory consumption is mostly a userspace problem.
>
> Also, the mouse chasing the pop up menues has nothing
> to do with the file system.
>
>
> I am at a loss.  If it was a hardware issue, a reboot would not fix it.
>
> And my almost identical shop computer does not do this.
>
>
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