Re: F33 setting search domain permanently

2020-12-02 Thread Jouk
Unfortunately for the VLAN om which my servers reside my university does not 
provide a DHCP server, so this is not an option for me.
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Re: F33 setting search domain permanently

2020-12-02 Thread Jouk
Thank, I'l try this
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Re: Differences between versions of wine on FC31 and FC32? 5.19/5.22

2020-12-02 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 12/2/20 2:22 AM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:

Question: Doesn't the dnf process use the cache feature of the disk??


Not really, since it's mostly writing new data.  It's not going to avoid 
the cache, but the use of the cache is completely up to the drive.


Know that the higher number is actually the speed of accessing the ram 
buffer of the disk. But the lower number is the physical speed of the 
disk.


I was slight wrong about that benchmark info, but it's still not a 
useful measurement.


> hdparm -Tt /dev/sda
>
> /dev/sda:
>   Timing cached reads:   10030 MB in  1.99 seconds = 5031.74 MB/sec

This has nothing to do with the drive at all.  It's measuring the 
throughput of the Linux buffering system.  It doesn't touch the drive at 
all.


>   Timing buffered disk reads: 412 MB in  3.01 seconds = 136.93 MB/sec

This is a sequential read measurement and it's not a bad number, but 
it's completely irrelevant to dnf.  You need to measure write speed and 
random read/write access times.


Just know that I started process at about after 11pm, and the 
download only took about 25 minutes for the 5.4G of files it reported.

It was just the update.


Yes, it's the updating part that takes a long time because that's when 
it's doing lots of random reads and writes of the disk.



Perhaps an SSD drive would change things.


It would drastically change things.  They have virtually no seek time, 
so it's all read/write speed and for reference, this is my laptop SSD:

Timing buffered disk reads: 1518 MB in  3.00 seconds = 505.41 MB/sec
A write speed test gave me 467 MB/s
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Re: mysterious/suspicious internet activity.

2020-12-02 Thread Ed Greshko

On 03/12/2020 12:16, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 12/2/20 8:11 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 03/12/2020 00:09, home user wrote:

(I sent this to the list three times in the past two days; it apparently never 
arrived, and it did not bounce.)

I rebooted, and did a few netstat's and an iftop while the workstation was 
"quiet".  I pasted output from 2 netstat runs into a text file.


I think this would be easier for you to capture network traffic at this 
time..

With a quite system, open a terminal and as root use the following to capture 
some packets

tcpdump -c 500 port 22 -w cap.pcap

This will capture 500 packets and then exit.  Post the cap.pcap file.


That will only capture ssh traffic.  What if it's not that?  Also, the capture 
file could contain some information that shouldn't be publicly shared.


I specifically chose to capture only ssh at this point.  Sensitive info such as 
passwords would not appear.
I picked ssh due to some of the output he already provided and the info he gave 
about those types
of brute force attacks being stopped by the firewall and my suspicion that may 
not be always the case.

I suppose if one is paranoid about posting their ip addresses they may be 
concerned.

Feel free to give your own suggestion.

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Re: mysterious/suspicious internet activity.

2020-12-02 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 12/2/20 8:11 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 03/12/2020 00:09, home user wrote:
(I sent this to the list three times in the past two days; it 
apparently never arrived, and it did not bounce.)


I rebooted, and did a few netstat's and an iftop while the workstation 
was "quiet".  I pasted output from 2 netstat runs into a text file.


I think this would be easier for you to capture network traffic at this 
time..


With a quite system, open a terminal and as root use the following to 
capture some packets


tcpdump -c 500 port 22 -w cap.pcap

This will capture 500 packets and then exit.  Post the cap.pcap file.


That will only capture ssh traffic.  What if it's not that?  Also, the 
capture file could contain some information that shouldn't be publicly 
shared.

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Re: mysterious/suspicious internet activity.

2020-12-02 Thread Ed Greshko

On 03/12/2020 00:09, home user wrote:

(I sent this to the list three times in the past two days; it apparently never 
arrived, and it did not bounce.)

I rebooted, and did a few netstat's and an iftop while the workstation was 
"quiet".  I pasted output from 2 netstat runs into a text file.


I think this would be easier for you to capture network traffic at this 
time..

With a quite system, open a terminal and as root use the following to capture 
some packets

tcpdump -c 500 port 22 -w cap.pcap

This will capture 500 packets and then exit.  Post the cap.pcap file.

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Re: Can't control Dell laptop fan anymore

2020-12-02 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 1:51 PM Fulko Hew  wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 12:57 Chris Murphy,  wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 9:39 AM Fulko Hew  wrote:
>> >
>> > It's been a bad week for me.
>> > First my disk drive died, and now I've replaced it
>> > and installed F33 (up from F26)
>> >
>> > After running it for a while it started running flaky,
>> > I hadn't installed gkrellm yet.
>> > When I did, I noticed that it was reporting a fan speed of 0 RPM.
>> > True, it wasn't spinning. Maybe it was overheating that that's why it was 
>> > getting flaky.
>> >
>> > [I ran the Dell BIOS hardware test routines, and they spun up the
>> >  fan and reported no errors.]
>> >
>> > So I know the fan works, and presumably thats why the hw test
>> > spun it up and spun it down again.
>> > What I'd like to do is to manually control the fan and look at it's
>> > sensor directly (like the Dell hw test does), but I don't know how.
>> >
>> > Laptop is a Dell Inspiron 5567.
>> > I'm not sure where to go next.
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Here's a snippet from running 'sensors':
>> >
>> > $ sensors
>> > dell_smm-virtual-0
>> > Adapter: Virtual device
>> > Processor Fan:0 RPM
>> > CPU:+36.0°C
>> > Ambient:+34.0°C
>> > SODIMM: +34.0°C
>> > GPU:+30.0°C
>> > ...
>>
>> Quite a lot of thermal management is split up into different areas:
>> CPU itself, ACPI, logic board firmware, kernel, and user space.
>>
>> I suggest making sure the logic board firmware is up to date as a first step.
>>
>> sensors isn't a default package. New in Fedora 33, thermald is
>> installed and enabled by default. I'd give that a chance to work (or
>> fail) on it's own without anything else competing. It's expected that
>> thermald improves thermal management, but at least to not do worse
>> than not using it. If the thermal behavior isn't correct with thermald
>> enabled in a default configuration, then the next test is to disable
>> thermald and see if the same behavior still happens. If that fixes the
>> problem, I suggest a thermald bug report. If it doesn't fix the
>> problem, then we need to look at a possible kernel regression.
>>
>> There are some user space tools that can directly manipulate fans if
>> none of the above works out of the box, but I'd consider that a
>> fallback
>
>
> I'm not at the machine at the moment, but can you name some of those user 
> space tools ?

lm_sensors is fairly generic I think, but I don't use it. There's
thinkfan and mbpfan, those are Thinkpad and Macbook specific I
suppose.


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Re: Can't control Dell laptop fan anymore

2020-12-02 Thread Fulko Hew
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 8:34 PM George N. White III  wrote:

> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 12:39, Fulko Hew  wrote:
>
>> It's been a bad week for me.
>> First my disk drive died, and now I've replaced it
>> and installed F33 (up from F26)
>>
>
> Two failures in a short period means you should investigate possible links.
>

The only correlation is that I've been running Folding@Home
24/7 since March, and the laptop was running at high temps.

> Is it possible a cable was dislodged while replacing the drive?
>

There is a remote chance, but the fan was far away from
the drive, and I didn't even see a cable during my brief
look at the fan.  I will re-disassemble the laptop tomorrow.

But the Dell HW diag software can and does spin up the fan during FAN tests.
So why wouldn't Fedora spin it up too (even if it WAS reading back 0 RPM).

> Some laptops monitor disk drive temperatures, older models used a sensor
> attached to the drive, newer models may have custom drives with built-in
> sensors (current models use SSD's).   A mismatched or missing sensor
> could confuse temperature management software.
>

No, this has nothing to do with the drive.
Fedora would have to have a major fault to be able to confuse
an Intel sensor driver operation with SATA/SMART information.

> Many laptops collect dust in the cooling fins and passages.  Did you check
> for dust?
>

That was the very first thing I did.

> Have you run S.M.A.R.T. tests or vendor diagnostics on the "failed" drive
> to confirm a hardware failure as opposed to corrupt filesystems?
>

Dell Hw diagnostics reported it as a failed drive.
I will attempt to check it independently though.
But the drive is the least of my problems at the moment.

>  Multiple component issues are often caused by a bad power supply.
> Laptop batteries are also suspects.
>

I know, but for the only thing to be bad is the FAN RPM
sensor under Fedora, but the Dell HW diagnostic sw CAN
spin the CPU fan up and down makes a bad supply/battery
a very unlikely possibility.

Again, that's where I'm looking for some independent sw
that can control the fan, and view RPM independently of
Fedora and yet similar to Dell diagnostics (because the
Dell sw IS controlling the fan!)
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Re: Can't control Dell laptop fan anymore

2020-12-02 Thread George N. White III
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 12:39, Fulko Hew  wrote:

> It's been a bad week for me.
> First my disk drive died, and now I've replaced it
> and installed F33 (up from F26)
>

Two failures in a short period means you should investigate possible links.

Is it possible a cable was dislodged while replacing the drive?
Some laptops monitor disk drive temperatures, older models used a sensor
attached to the drive, newer models may have custom drives with built-in
sensors (current models use SSD's).   A mismatched or missing sensor
could confuse temperature management software.

Many laptops collect dust in the cooling fins and passages.  Did you check
for dust?

Have you run S.M.A.R.T. tests or vendor diagnostics on the "failed" drive
to confirm a hardware failure as opposed to corrupt filesystems?

Multiple component issues are often caused by a bad power supply.
Laptop batteries are also suspects.

>
> After running it for a while it started running flaky,
> I hadn't installed gkrellm yet.
> When I did, I noticed that it was reporting a fan speed of 0 RPM.
> True, it wasn't spinning. Maybe it was overheating that that's why it was
> getting flaky.
>
> [I ran the Dell BIOS hardware test routines, and they spun up the
>  fan and reported no errors.]
>
> So I know the fan works, and presumably thats why the hw test
> spun it up and spun it down again.
> What I'd like to do is to manually control the fan and look at it's
> sensor directly (like the Dell hw test does), but I don't know how.
>
> Laptop is a Dell Inspiron 5567.
> I'm not sure where to go next.
> Thanks
>
> Here's a snippet from running 'sensors':
>
> $ sensors
> dell_smm-virtual-0
> Adapter: Virtual device
> Processor Fan:0 RPM
> CPU:+36.0°C
> Ambient:+34.0°C
> SODIMM: +34.0°C
> GPU:+30.0°C
> ...
>
>
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Re: mysterious/suspicious internet activity.

2020-12-02 Thread Ed Greshko

On 03/12/2020 00:02, home user wrote:

(I sent this to the list three times in the past two days; it apparently never 
arrived, and it did not bounce.)

I rebooted, and did a few netstat's and an iftop while the workstation was 
"quiet".  I pasted output from 2 netstat runs into a text file.

I paused the iftop display many times to grab line pairs of interest, and 
pasted those into the text file that has the netstat runs.

The text file is attached.

Most of the entries in the iftop display involve comcast, my internet service 
provider.  Quite a few unexpected addresses also show up in iftop.  A few 
questions come to mind...

A few years ago, I saw in the system journal numerous log-in attempts by 
outsiders from all over the world, and opened a thread about that.  Now such 
attempts are blocked by the firewall.  If an outsider tries to communicate with 
my workstation, and the firewall blocks the attempt, will the attempt show up 
in the network activity panel of ksysguard? Will that attempt show up in the 
iftop display?


Well, it is really difficult to determine the source of those small packets.

You may want to run iftop with -Pn to make sure the port numbers are listed.

Thing suchs as

c-98-245-12-4.hsd1.co.comcast.net    => no-mans-land.m247.com 0b     54b     14b

are meaningless without a port.  Also, if one does a lookup they would see...

[egreshko@meimei etc]$ host no-mans-land.m247.com
Host no-mans-land.m247.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)

So, what is the real IP address of that hostname?  And how did your system come 
up with that name

The best tool for this is "wireshark" and capturing network activity with 
filters on maybe one IP address which
appears most often.

Also, go back and run "lastb" to make sure your firewall is actually blocking 
incoming logins.

It also makes things difficult for others to diagnose without a clear 
understanding of your network
topology.  Is the host directly connected to the Internet with public IP 
addresses?  Running IPv4 and IPv6?
Is the host behind a router and using NAT?  etc


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Re: mysterious/suspicious internet activity.

2020-12-02 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 12/2/20 3:06 PM, Tim via users wrote:

All normal stuff, although they're listening to any address, rather
than only listening to local addresses.  That could be tightened up for
some things, at least.  I see no reason for CUPS to listen outside of
your LAN, for instance.


I assume you're referring to the lines like this:
tcp0  0 0.0.0.0:ipp 0.0.0.0:* 
LISTEN  root   22447  947/cupsd


That foreign address is just a placeholder. Nothing is actually 
connected.  The process is listening for a connection and will accept 
one from anywhere.  It's up to the firewall to restrict that.

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Re: mysterious/suspicious internet activity.

2020-12-02 Thread Tim via users
On Wed, 2020-12-02 at 16:09 +, home user wrote:
> --- begin text file ---
> Active Internet connections (servers and established)
> Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address   Foreign Address State 
>   User   Inode  PID/Program name
> tcp0  0 coyote:domain   0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN
>   root   31188  1084/dnsmasq
> tcp0  0 0.0.0.0:ipp 0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN
>   root   22447  947/cupsd
> tcp0  0 localhost:smtp  0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN
>   root   39031  1680/sendmail: acce
> tcp6   0  0 [::]:ipp[::]:*  LISTEN
>   root   22448  947/cupsd
> udp0  0 0.0.0.0:mdns0.0.0.0:* 
>   avahi  22058  748/avahi-daemon: r
> udp0  0 coyote:domain   0.0.0.0:* 
>   root   31187  1084/dnsmasq
> udp0  0 0.0.0.0:bootps  0.0.0.0:* 
>   root   31184  1084/dnsmasq
> udp0  0 c-98-245-12-4.hs:bootpc denv01dhcp-ho-02:bootps 
> ESTABLISHED root   29795  862/NetworkManager
> udp0  0 localhost:323   0.0.0.0:* 
>   root   25199  763/chronyd
> udp0  0 0.0.0.0:58501   0.0.0.0:* 
>   avahi  22060  748/avahi-daemon: r
> udp6   0  0 [::]:mdns   [::]:*
>   avahi  22059  748/avahi-daemon: r
> udp6   0  0 localhost:323   [::]:*
>   root   25200  763/chronyd
> udp6   0  0 coyote:dhcpv6-client[::]:*
>   root   30632  862/NetworkManager
> udp6   0  0 [::]:33746  [::]:*
>   avahi  22061  748/avahi-daemon: r

If you look at the last column, you can see what's involved with those
things:  DNSmasq (your local DNS server), CUPSD (your local printer
server), sendmail (your local mail server), AVAHI-DAEMON (part of your
local networking, finding out your IP address, finding other things in
your network), NETWORK MANAGER (handling your network), CHRONYD (your
local time server managing your clock).

All normal stuff, although they're listening to any address, rather
than only listening to local addresses.  That could be tightened up for
some things, at least.  I see no reason for CUPS to listen outside of
your LAN, for instance.

LANs are chatty, especially when you throw CUPS and mDNS into the mix. 
CUPS advertises itself, and looks for printers.  AVAHI, etc., are
always on the lookout for other things on your LAN.  It's next to
impossible to stop the LEDs blinking on your network port in a LAN.

And there's always going to be loads of DNS lookups while things are
being used by you.  When you browse a webpage, the page is made up of
content dragged in from all over the place, text, graphics, scripts,
etc., the browser has to find them.  You can get the same kind of thing
with HTML mail, too.

Regarding the other set of data with all the comcast addresses, I can't
comment, as I have no idea what the data is in the adjacent columns.  I
hate programs which spew out data without titling what it is.

If, however, it is like Stan said (people scanning for exploitable
ports within comcast), then my opinion is that you report that to
comcast, and suggest that they either deal with their customers who are
nefariously scanning their network, or fix their firewall to stop
outsiders scanning their network.  Either way, that's *their* job.

But first, confirm it is exploit scanning.  I can't tell from the data
you provided.

Looking at some of the domain names, I would have thought you'd logged
this while you're using your web browser.
 
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Re: F33 setting search domain permanently

2020-12-02 Thread Tim via users
On Wed, 2020-12-02 at 13:10 +0100, Jouk Jansen wrote:
> I would like to set the search domian permanently. I can set it with
>   resolvectl domain device domain.nl
> but after a restart the definition is gone. How do I set it
> permanently?

If you have a DHCPD server, I would have set it there.  That's what I
do.  Though I have a proper DHCP server, I don't use the half-arsed one
built into my ISP's router.

And network manager lets you set overrides, too.

Does it need manually setting, though?  I thought your own domain name
would be automatically used.
 
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Re: Discover

2020-12-02 Thread Ed Greshko

On 03/12/2020 05:29, Kostas Sfakiotakis wrote:

Greetings ,

As am browsing the internet category ( for example ) looking if there is 
anything interesting ( usually there are a lot  ) i find that
programs like Viber,Skype, Anydesk are offered to be installed although there 
are alread installed on my computer . Well up
to a point at least Discover seems to know which programs are already installed 
on my computer and just offer the option to remove
them , BUT in some cases it would seem that it makes mistakes . Have i 
forgotten to configure / update something ( possibly a
database Discover is looking ) ??? Is simpy Discover making a few mistakes 
every now and then as to which programs are already
installed or am  Discover is unaware of the software installed and am simply 
supposed to do the thing myself ??


If i may ask , who tells Discover what is already installed and what not ?? Am 
i correct to assume that Discover offers a wast
range of programs in various categories regardless of the way they are packaged 
( rpm or otherwise ) ??


Am using Fedora 33 upgraded from Fedora 32 ( which was upgraded from Fedora 31 
) .



If you look in "settings" of Discover you'll see where it looks (sources/repos) 
for what is available.
You may see multiple copies of applications (firefox being one) which are 
available in the standard
Fedora repos as well as from Flatpak.

Discover uses the rpmdb to determine what is installed as well as whatever 
Flatpak uses to keep
track of what has been installed from there.  Note, I'm not very familiar with 
Flatpak.

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locale LC_CTYPE wrong...?

2020-12-02 Thread Iosif Fettich
After a fresh install of Fedora 33, I see occasional errors popping up in
the console, similar to

$ locale
locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8,LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_PAPER="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_NAME="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_ADDRESS="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_ALL=

Anyone else seeing this behavior? Note the strange value for LC_CTYPE.
After putting
export LC_CTYPE=C
in my .bash_profile I'm fine and the errors seem gone, however I'm unsure
if that is a bug that should be reported within any of the Fedora packages
or just something I might have wrong in some setting.
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Re: Lost the UEFI boot info that my BIOS shows

2020-12-02 Thread Fulko Hew
On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:45 AM Jorge Fábregas 
wrote:

> On 11/29/20 10:06 AM, Fulko Hew wrote:
> > Have I reached a dead end, and am stuck with a re-install now?
>

Turns out that the disk drive had some sort of failure mode.
I could read it fine, so I backed up my files, but...
something messed up the UEFI boot, and when I tried a fresh
install, it failed.

So I took the laptop apart and installed one of my backup drives
and did a fresh install.  I had to.

> Well you're long overdue for a fresh installation :)
>

I'm always reluctant to upgrade let alone a fresh installation.

Both involve dealing with migrating configurations, and dealing
with the features I liked, that would now, no longer be available.
The fresh installation is all of the above plus finding where
all the apps hide their configs and data, and migrating them
to the new install.  That used to involve a 2nd disk drive, but now,
these new laptops no longer have easily accessible drives,
and that just makes it all the more difficult and tedious.

P.S. Now that I have the new install, I'm seeing that my CPU fan
is no longer spinning.  The Dell/BIOS test program can control
the fan, but Fedora doesn't.  I have another thread going on that
discussion.

Thanks for your help
Fulko
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Discover

2020-12-02 Thread Kostas Sfakiotakis

Greetings ,

As am browsing the internet category ( for example ) looking if there is 
anything interesting ( usually there are a lot  ) i find that
programs like Viber,Skype, Anydesk are offered to be installed although 
there are alread installed on my computer . Well up
to a point at least Discover seems to know which programs are already 
installed on my computer and just offer the option to remove
them , BUT in some cases it would seem that it makes mistakes . Have i 
forgotten to configure / update something ( possibly a
database Discover is looking ) ??? Is simpy Discover making a few 
mistakes every now and then as to which programs are already
installed or am  Discover is unaware of the software installed and am 
simply supposed to do the thing myself ??



If i may ask , who tells Discover what is already installed and what not 
?? Am i correct to assume that Discover offers a wast
range of programs in various categories regardless of the way they are 
packaged ( rpm or otherwise ) ??



Am using Fedora 33 upgraded from Fedora 32 ( which was upgraded from 
Fedora 31 ) .



Kind Regards,
  Kostas
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Re: mysterious/suspicious internet activity.

2020-12-02 Thread Barry Scott


> On 30 Nov 2020, at 21:03, Ed Greshko  wrote:
> 
> On 01/12/2020 04:57, home user wrote:
>> How do I check that?  And how do I change it?  By the way, I power down 
>> every night; and power up every morning.
> 
> Along with watching the output of wireshark, you should run "netstat -atuevp" 
> and see what connections
> are "established".

You should be using ss not netstat as netstat is slower and is deprecated.

ss -atuep

Barry


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Re: mysterious/suspicious internet activity.

2020-12-02 Thread Barry Scott


> On 30 Nov 2020, at 17:57, home user  wrote:
> 
> 3. My .bash_profile sources my .bashrc, sets PATH, and launches xeyes.  My 
> .bashrc sources /etc/bashrc, sets PS1 and PATH, and defines aliases.

Set PATH in your .bash_profile not .bashrc.

This is because if you set it in .bashrc you cannot override PATH for sub 
shells.

Barry

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Re: Can't control Dell laptop fan anymore

2020-12-02 Thread Fulko Hew
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 12:57 Chris Murphy,  wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 9:39 AM Fulko Hew  wrote:
> >
> > It's been a bad week for me.
> > First my disk drive died, and now I've replaced it
> > and installed F33 (up from F26)
> >
> > After running it for a while it started running flaky,
> > I hadn't installed gkrellm yet.
> > When I did, I noticed that it was reporting a fan speed of 0 RPM.
> > True, it wasn't spinning. Maybe it was overheating that that's why it
> was getting flaky.
> >
> > [I ran the Dell BIOS hardware test routines, and they spun up the
> >  fan and reported no errors.]
> >
> > So I know the fan works, and presumably thats why the hw test
> > spun it up and spun it down again.
> > What I'd like to do is to manually control the fan and look at it's
> > sensor directly (like the Dell hw test does), but I don't know how.
> >
> > Laptop is a Dell Inspiron 5567.
> > I'm not sure where to go next.
> > Thanks
> >
> > Here's a snippet from running 'sensors':
> >
> > $ sensors
> > dell_smm-virtual-0
> > Adapter: Virtual device
> > Processor Fan:0 RPM
> > CPU:+36.0°C
> > Ambient:+34.0°C
> > SODIMM: +34.0°C
> > GPU:+30.0°C
> > ...
>
> Quite a lot of thermal management is split up into different areas:
> CPU itself, ACPI, logic board firmware, kernel, and user space.
>
> I suggest making sure the logic board firmware is up to date as a first
> step.
>
> sensors isn't a default package. New in Fedora 33, thermald is
> installed and enabled by default. I'd give that a chance to work (or
> fail) on it's own without anything else competing. It's expected that
> thermald improves thermal management, but at least to not do worse
> than not using it. If the thermal behavior isn't correct with thermald
> enabled in a default configuration, then the next test is to disable
> thermald and see if the same behavior still happens. If that fixes the
> problem, I suggest a thermald bug report. If it doesn't fix the
> problem, then we need to look at a possible kernel regression.
>
> There are some user space tools that can directly manipulate fans if
> none of the above works out of the box, but I'd consider that a
> fallback
>

I'm not at the machine at the moment, but can you name some of those user
space tools ?
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Cups outputting deleted printers

2020-12-02 Thread ToddAndMargo via users

Hi All,

Fedora 33

# rpm -qa cups\*
cups-pk-helper-0.2.6-10.fc33.x86_64
cups-pdf-3.0.1-10.fc33.x86_64
cups-libs-2.3.3-18.fc33.x86_64
cups-client-2.3.3-18.fc33.x86_64
cups-ipptool-2.3.3-18.fc33.x86_64
cups-filesystem-2.3.3-18.fc33.noarch
cups-2.3.3-18.fc33.x86_64
cups-libs-2.3.3-18.fc33.i686
cups-filters-libs-1.28.5-3.fc33.x86_64
cups-filters-1.28.5-3.fc33.x86_64

I clean up a bunch of my unused printers.

Problem: printers with the same long name, except for
the end still show is certain programs.

$ lpstat -a
B4350 accepting requests since Thu 29 Oct 2020 01:36:30 PM PDT
Cups-PDF accepting requests since Tue 30 Apr 2019 04:05:39 PM PDT
Virtual_PDF_Printer accepting requests since Tue 29 Sep 2020 
03:13:17 AM PDT


Which is the way it is suppose to be.


But programs using reading printers using cupsGetDests2,
still get the old deleted printers:

The text: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=167701

The Binary: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=167702

   #include 
   #include 

   int main() {
   cups_dest_t* dests;
   int nCount = cupsGetDests2(CUPS_HTTP_DEFAULT, &dests);

   for (int i = 0; i < nCount; i++) {
   cups_dest_t dest = dests[i];
   std::cout << dest.name << std::endl;
   }
   }

$ list-printers
B4350
Cups-PDF
Cups_PDF_rn6   <-- deleted
Oki_B4350_on_dev_lp0_rn6   <-- deleted
Virtual_PDF_Printer
Virtual_PDF_Printer_rn6<-- deleted


Programs without the problem (a sampling):

Brave Browser, Firefox, Vivaldi, Water Fox,
Leafpad, Simple scan, Gimp, Inkscape, Thunderbird,
Geany, Shotwell, PDF Studio 2019

Programs with the problem (also a sampling):

Wine, Libre Office, Free Office, Master PDF Editor

Any ideas? Is cupsGetDests2 not the proper way of dong this?

-T
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Re: mysterious/suspicious internet activity.

2020-12-02 Thread stan via users
A non expert response.

On Wed, 02 Dec 2020 16:09:16 -
"home user"  wrote:

> A few years ago, I saw in the system journal numerous log-in attempts
> by outsiders from all over the world, and opened a thread about that.
>  Now such attempts are blocked by the firewall.  If an outsider tries
> to communicate with my workstation, and the firewall blocks the
> attempt, will the attempt show up in the network activity panel of
> ksysguard? Will that attempt show up in the iftop display?

I don't know about ksysguard, but I think they should show up in iftop,
as they make it through the hardware connection (ethernet or wireless).

> --- begin text file ---
[snip]

These all appear to be OK.
> -
> some captured iftop lines
> -

These appear to be from someone looking for open ports in the comcast
range, so they can try exploits.  The firewall seems to be stopping them
dead. I think you might be able to configure your router so that these
are rejected there instead of making it through to the firewall.  You
would have to log in and then go to whatever configuration it has for an
internal firewall, and disable them there, if it is even possible.  It's
been a long time since I configured mine, but I don't see these
attempts on my ISP's range in my firewall, though I used to.  However,
my ISP might now be actively blocking such attempts, while comcast
isn't.

Most of the attempts I used to see were for window's exploits, though
there were a considerable number of attempts to use ssh.  Do you have
sshd disabled if you are not using it?  As root,
systemctl status sshd
It should be inactive (dead) if it is not being used.  I keep it masked
so that updates don't reactivate it from disabled state.
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Re: Can't control Dell laptop fan anymore

2020-12-02 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 9:39 AM Fulko Hew  wrote:
>
> It's been a bad week for me.
> First my disk drive died, and now I've replaced it
> and installed F33 (up from F26)
>
> After running it for a while it started running flaky,
> I hadn't installed gkrellm yet.
> When I did, I noticed that it was reporting a fan speed of 0 RPM.
> True, it wasn't spinning. Maybe it was overheating that that's why it was 
> getting flaky.
>
> [I ran the Dell BIOS hardware test routines, and they spun up the
>  fan and reported no errors.]
>
> So I know the fan works, and presumably thats why the hw test
> spun it up and spun it down again.
> What I'd like to do is to manually control the fan and look at it's
> sensor directly (like the Dell hw test does), but I don't know how.
>
> Laptop is a Dell Inspiron 5567.
> I'm not sure where to go next.
> Thanks
>
> Here's a snippet from running 'sensors':
>
> $ sensors
> dell_smm-virtual-0
> Adapter: Virtual device
> Processor Fan:0 RPM
> CPU:+36.0°C
> Ambient:+34.0°C
> SODIMM: +34.0°C
> GPU:+30.0°C
> ...

Quite a lot of thermal management is split up into different areas:
CPU itself, ACPI, logic board firmware, kernel, and user space.

I suggest making sure the logic board firmware is up to date as a first step.

sensors isn't a default package. New in Fedora 33, thermald is
installed and enabled by default. I'd give that a chance to work (or
fail) on it's own without anything else competing. It's expected that
thermald improves thermal management, but at least to not do worse
than not using it. If the thermal behavior isn't correct with thermald
enabled in a default configuration, then the next test is to disable
thermald and see if the same behavior still happens. If that fixes the
problem, I suggest a thermald bug report. If it doesn't fix the
problem, then we need to look at a possible kernel regression.

There are some user space tools that can directly manipulate fans if
none of the above works out of the box, but I'd consider that a
fallback position.

-- 
Chris Murphy
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Can't control Dell laptop fan anymore

2020-12-02 Thread Fulko Hew
It's been a bad week for me.
First my disk drive died, and now I've replaced it
and installed F33 (up from F26)

After running it for a while it started running flaky,
I hadn't installed gkrellm yet.
When I did, I noticed that it was reporting a fan speed of 0 RPM.
True, it wasn't spinning. Maybe it was overheating that that's why it was
getting flaky.

[I ran the Dell BIOS hardware test routines, and they spun up the
 fan and reported no errors.]

So I know the fan works, and presumably thats why the hw test
spun it up and spun it down again.
What I'd like to do is to manually control the fan and look at it's
sensor directly (like the Dell hw test does), but I don't know how.

Laptop is a Dell Inspiron 5567.
I'm not sure where to go next.
Thanks

Here's a snippet from running 'sensors':

$ sensors
dell_smm-virtual-0
Adapter: Virtual device
Processor Fan:0 RPM
CPU:+36.0°C
Ambient:+34.0°C
SODIMM: +34.0°C
GPU:+30.0°C
...
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Re: mysterious/suspicious internet activity.

2020-12-02 Thread home user
(I sent this to the list three times in the past two days; it apparently never 
arrived, and it did not bounce.)

I rebooted, and did a few netstat's and an iftop while the workstation was 
"quiet".  I pasted output from 2 netstat runs into a text file.

I paused the iftop display many times to grab line pairs of interest, and 
pasted those into the text file that has the netstat runs.

The text file is at the bottom of this message.

Most of the entries in the iftop display involve comcast, my internet service 
provider.  Quite a few unexpected addresses also show up in iftop.  A few 
questions come to mind...

A few years ago, I saw in the system journal numerous log-in attempts by 
outsiders from all over the world, and opened a thread about that.  Now such 
attempts are blocked by the firewall.  If an outsider tries to communicate with 
my workstation, and the firewall blocks the attempt, will the attempt show up 
in the network activity panel of ksysguard? Will that attempt show up in the 
iftop display?

Bill. 

--- begin text file ---
Active Internet connections (servers and established)
Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address   Foreign Address State   
User   Inode  PID/Program name
tcp0  0 coyote:domain   0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN  
root   31188  1084/dnsmasq
tcp0  0 0.0.0.0:ipp 0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN  
root   22447  947/cupsd
tcp0  0 localhost:smtp  0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN  
root   39031  1680/sendmail: acce
tcp6   0  0 [::]:ipp[::]:*  LISTEN  
root   22448  947/cupsd
udp0  0 0.0.0.0:mdns0.0.0.0:*   
avahi  22058  748/avahi-daemon: r
udp0  0 coyote:domain   0.0.0.0:*   
root   31187  1084/dnsmasq
udp0  0 0.0.0.0:bootps  0.0.0.0:*   
root   31184  1084/dnsmasq
udp0  0 c-98-245-12-4.hs:bootpc denv01dhcp-ho-02:bootps ESTABLISHED 
root   29795  862/NetworkManager
udp0  0 localhost:323   0.0.0.0:*   
root   25199  763/chronyd
udp0  0 0.0.0.0:58501   0.0.0.0:*   
avahi  22060  748/avahi-daemon: r
udp6   0  0 [::]:mdns   [::]:*  
avahi  22059  748/avahi-daemon: r
udp6   0  0 localhost:323   [::]:*  
root   25200  763/chronyd
udp6   0  0 coyote:dhcpv6-client[::]:*  
root   30632  862/NetworkManager
udp6   0  0 [::]:33746  [::]:*  
avahi  22061  748/avahi-daemon: r
bash.5[~]: netstat -atuevp
Active Internet connections (servers and established)
Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address   Foreign Address State   
User   Inode  PID/Program name
tcp0  0 coyote:domain   0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN  
root   31188  1084/dnsmasq
tcp0  0 0.0.0.0:ipp 0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN  
root   22447  947/cupsd
tcp0  0 localhost:smtp  0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN  
root   39031  1680/sendmail: acce
tcp6   0  0 [::]:ipp[::]:*  LISTEN  
root   22448  947/cupsd
udp0  0 0.0.0.0:mdns0.0.0.0:*   
avahi  22058  748/avahi-daemon: r
udp0  0 coyote:domain   0.0.0.0:*   
root   31187  1084/dnsmasq
udp0  0 0.0.0.0:bootps  0.0.0.0:*   
root   31184  1084/dnsmasq
udp0  0 c-98-245-12-4.hs:bootpc denv01dhcp-ho-02:bootps ESTABLISHED 
root   29795  862/NetworkManager
udp0  0 localhost:323   0.0.0.0:*   
root   25199  763/chronyd
udp0  0 0.0.0.0:58501   0.0.0.0:*   
avahi  22060  748/avahi-daemon: r
udp6   0  0 [::]:mdns   [::]:*  
avahi  22059  748/avahi-daemon: r
udp6   0  0 localhost:323   [::]:*  
root   25200  763/chronyd
udp6   0  0 coyote:dhcpv6-client[::]:*  
root   30632  862/NetworkManager
udp6   0  0 [::]:33746  [::]:*  
avahi  22061  748/avahi-daemon: r
bash.6[~]:

-
some captured iftop lines
-

c-98-245-12-4.hsd1.co.comcast.net=> 172.86.179.85   
 0b   0b 15b
 <=

Re: mysterious/suspicious internet activity.

2020-12-02 Thread home user
(I sent this to the list three times in the past two days; it apparently 
never arrived, and it did not bounce.)


I rebooted, and did a few netstat's and an iftop while the workstation 
was "quiet".  I pasted output from 2 netstat runs into a text file.


I paused the iftop display many times to grab line pairs of interest, 
and pasted those into the text file that has the netstat runs.


The text file is attached.

Most of the entries in the iftop display involve comcast, my internet 
service provider.  Quite a few unexpected addresses also show up in 
iftop.  A few questions come to mind...


A few years ago, I saw in the system journal numerous log-in attempts by 
outsiders from all over the world, and opened a thread about that.  Now 
such attempts are blocked by the firewall.  If an outsider tries to 
communicate with my workstation, and the firewall blocks the attempt, 
will the attempt show up in the network activity panel of ksysguard? 
Will that attempt show up in the iftop display?


Bill.

bash.4[~]: netstat -atuevp
Active Internet connections (servers and established)
Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address   Foreign Address State   
User   Inode  PID/Program name
tcp0  0 coyote:domain   0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN  
root   31188  1084/dnsmasq
tcp0  0 0.0.0.0:ipp 0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN  
root   22447  947/cupsd
tcp0  0 localhost:smtp  0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN  
root   39031  1680/sendmail: acce
tcp6   0  0 [::]:ipp[::]:*  LISTEN  
root   22448  947/cupsd
udp0  0 0.0.0.0:mdns0.0.0.0:*   
avahi  22058  748/avahi-daemon: r
udp0  0 coyote:domain   0.0.0.0:*   
root   31187  1084/dnsmasq
udp0  0 0.0.0.0:bootps  0.0.0.0:*   
root   31184  1084/dnsmasq
udp0  0 c-98-245-12-4.hs:bootpc denv01dhcp-ho-02:bootps ESTABLISHED 
root   29795  862/NetworkManager
udp0  0 localhost:323   0.0.0.0:*   
root   25199  763/chronyd
udp0  0 0.0.0.0:58501   0.0.0.0:*   
avahi  22060  748/avahi-daemon: r
udp6   0  0 [::]:mdns   [::]:*  
avahi  22059  748/avahi-daemon: r
udp6   0  0 localhost:323   [::]:*  
root   25200  763/chronyd
udp6   0  0 coyote:dhcpv6-client[::]:*  
root   30632  862/NetworkManager
udp6   0  0 [::]:33746  [::]:*  
avahi  22061  748/avahi-daemon: r
bash.5[~]: netstat -atuevp
Active Internet connections (servers and established)
Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address   Foreign Address State   
User   Inode  PID/Program name
tcp0  0 coyote:domain   0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN  
root   31188  1084/dnsmasq
tcp0  0 0.0.0.0:ipp 0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN  
root   22447  947/cupsd
tcp0  0 localhost:smtp  0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN  
root   39031  1680/sendmail: acce
tcp6   0  0 [::]:ipp[::]:*  LISTEN  
root   22448  947/cupsd
udp0  0 0.0.0.0:mdns0.0.0.0:*   
avahi  22058  748/avahi-daemon: r
udp0  0 coyote:domain   0.0.0.0:*   
root   31187  1084/dnsmasq
udp0  0 0.0.0.0:bootps  0.0.0.0:*   
root   31184  1084/dnsmasq
udp0  0 c-98-245-12-4.hs:bootpc denv01dhcp-ho-02:bootps ESTABLISHED 
root   29795  862/NetworkManager
udp0  0 localhost:323   0.0.0.0:*   
root   25199  763/chronyd
udp0  0 0.0.0.0:58501   0.0.0.0:*   
avahi  22060  748/avahi-daemon: r
udp6   0  0 [::]:mdns   [::]:*  
avahi  22059  748/avahi-daemon: r
udp6   0  0 localhost:323   [::]:*  
root   25200  763/chronyd
udp6   0  0 coyote:dhcpv6-client[::]:*  
root   30632  862/NetworkManager
udp6   0  0 [::]:33746  [::]:*  
avahi  22061  748/avahi-daemon: r
bash.6[~]:

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some captured iftop lines
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c-98-245-12-4.hsd1.co.comcast.net=> 172.86.179.85   
 0b   0b 15b
 <=  

Problem with bluetooth on Fedora 33

2020-12-02 Thread José Abílio Matos
Hi,
  in this laptop I am unable to have bluetooth running.

I have followed the instruction at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Bluetooth_problems 

# hciconfig
hci0:   Type: Primary  Bus: USB
BD Address: xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx  ACL MTU: 1021:6  SCO MTU: 255:12
DOWN 
RX bytes:1566 acl:0 sco:0 events:170 errors:0
TX bytes:35258 acl:0 sco:0 commands:170 errors:0

Trying to bring it to a working state does not work either:

# hciconfig up

shows the same output as above.

# lsusb | grep -i blue
Bus 003 Device 002: ID 13d3:3548 IMC Networks Bluetooth Radio

This pair shows up in drivers/bluetooth/btusb.c


Yet something seems to go awry since:

# systemctl status bluetooth
● bluetooth.service - Bluetooth service
 Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/bluetooth.service; enabled; 
vendor preset: enabled)
 Active: active (running) since Wed 2020-12-02 07:02:48 WET; 7h ago
   Docs: man:bluetoothd(8)
   Main PID: 842 (bluetoothd)
 Status: "Running"
  Tasks: 1 (limit: 37766)
 Memory: 1.6M
CPU: 58ms
 CGroup: /system.slice/bluetooth.service
 └─842 /usr/libexec/bluetooth/bluetoothd -d

Dec 02 14:29:03 griffin bluetoothd[842]: src/agent.c:agent_ref() 
0x55fc8419fac0: ref=1
Dec 02 14:29:03 griffin bluetoothd[842]: src/agent.c:register_agent() agent :
1.3771
Dec 02 14:29:25 griffin bluetoothd[842]: src/agent.c:agent_disconnect() Agent 
:1.3771 disconnected
Dec 02 14:29:25 griffin bluetoothd[842]: src/agent.c:agent_destroy() agent :
1.3771
Dec 02 14:29:25 griffin bluetoothd[842]: src/agent.c:agent_unref() 
0x55fc8419fac0: ref=0
Dec 02 14:29:42 griffin bluetoothd[842]: src/agent.c:agent_ref() 
0x55fc8419fac0: ref=1
Dec 02 14:29:42 griffin bluetoothd[842]: src/agent.c:register_agent() agent :
1.3775
Dec 02 14:29:59 griffin bluetoothd[842]: src/agent.c:agent_disconnect() Agent 
:1.3775 disconnected
Dec 02 14:29:59 griffin bluetoothd[842]: src/agent.c:agent_destroy() agent :
1.3775
Dec 02 14:29:59 griffin bluetoothd[842]: src/agent.c:agent_unref() 
0x55fc8419fac0: ref=0


Any help is appreciated. :-)
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Re: F33 setting search domain permanently

2020-12-02 Thread Kevin Becker
On Wed, 2020-12-02 at 13:10 +0100, Jouk Jansen wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I would like to set the search domian permanently. I can set it with
>   resolvectl domain device domain.nl
> but after a restart the definition is gone. How do I set it
> permanently?

There are probably multiple ways to do it, but I would use nm-
connection-editor to add it in the "additional search domains" box in
the IPV4 tab.


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F33 setting search domain permanently

2020-12-02 Thread Jouk Jansen
Hi All,

I would like to set the search domian permanently. I can set it with
  resolvectl domain device domain.nl
but after a restart the definition is gone. How do I set it permanently?

   Regards
  Jouk


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Re: Differences between versions of wine on FC31 and FC32? 5.19/5.22

2020-12-02 Thread Michael D. Setzer II via users
On 2 Dec 2020 at 0:55, Samuel Sieb wrote:

Subject:Re: Differences between versions of wine on FC31 and
FC32? 5.19/5.22
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
From:   Samuel Sieb 
Date sent:  Wed, 2 Dec 2020 00:55:10 -0800
Send reply to:  Community support for Fedora users


> On 12/2/20 12:43 AM, José Abílio Matos wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:39:38 AM WET Samuel Sieb wrote:
> >
> >  > Notebook hard drives are really slow now, but I've never seen one take
> >
> >  > that long.
> >
> > I saw. :-)
> >
> > [Oh, wait let me change that emoji to :-( ;-)]
> >
> >  > This is why I put SSDs in everything.
> >
> > And as you correctly point this is the main issue. A SSD in an old
> > computer will make the computer fly because in some cases the
> > performance bottleneck is the I/O component, and that clearly is the
> > case when installing/updating thousand of packages.
>
> At one point I was upgrading a whole bunch of laptops to the next Fedora
> release and this was before I put SSDs in them.  There was one laptop
> that was at least 5 years older than the rest and it took half the time
> to do the upgrade than the new ones.

This notebook is an Aspire E1-731-4699. The original hard drive was a
500G, but upgraded it to the 1Tb drive years ago. Everything else seems
to run just fine. Do have a very old IBM thinkpad R60, and it did
upgrade a lot faster than this one, but it has a few less packages installed.

Question: Doesn't the dnf process use the cache feature of the disk??
Know that the higher number is actually the speed of accessing the ram
buffer of the disk. But the lower number is the physical speed of the
disk. Just know that I started process at about after 11pm, and the
download only took about 25 minutes for the 5.4G of files it reported.
It was just the update.

The first few enties:
[ 1713.583866] dnf[683]:   Running scriptlet: libgcc-10.2.1-6.fc32.x86_64   
 1/1
[ 1714.786807] dnf[683]:   Upgrading: libgcc-10.2.1-6.fc32.x86_64   
 1/10017
[ 1720.550349] dnf[683]:   Running scriptlet: libgcc-10.2.1-6.fc32.x86_64   
 1/10017
[ 1721.024442] dnf[683]:   Upgrading: 
javapackages-filesystem-5.3.0-9.fc32.noarch
2/10017
[ 1722.464974] dnf[683]:   Upgrading: 
fonts-filesystem-2.0.3-1.fc32.noarch   3/10017
[ 1722.991203] dnf[683]:   Upgrading: 
kf5-filesystem-5.75.0-1.fc32.x86_644/10017
[ 1725.740344] dnf[683]:   Upgrading: 
linux-firmware-whence-20201022-113.fc32.noar
5/10017
[ 1726.414571] dnf[683]:   Upgrading: fedora-logos-30.0.2-4.fc32.x86_64 
 6/10017

the last few and then clean up starts
[29154.072094] dnf[683]:   Upgrading: 
gstreamer1-plugins-base-1.16.2-3.fc32.i686
5002/10017
[29173.893098] dnf[683]:   Upgrading: libFAudio-20.10-1.fc32.i686   
  5003/10017
[29196.157601] dnf[683]:   Upgrading: wine-core-5.22-1.fc32.i686
  5004/10017
[29217.288364] dnf[683]:   Upgrading: wine-5.22-1.fc32.x86_64   
  5005/10017
[29234.820825] dnf[683]:   Upgrading: wine-devel-5.22-1.fc32.i686   
  5006/10017
[29242.109709] dnf[683]:   Upgrading: nss-3.58.0-3.fc32.i686
  5007/10017
[29244.808671] dnf[683]:   Running scriptlet: nss-3.58.0-3.fc32.i686
  5007/10017
[29246.645428] dnf[683]:   Upgrading: brotli-1.0.9-3.fc32.i686  
  5008/10017
[29252.598328] dnf[683]:   Cleanup  : 
python3-samba-2:4.11.14-0.fc31.x86_64
5009/10017
[29253.238475] dnf[683]:   Running scriptlet: firefox-82.0.2-1.fc31.x86_64  
  5010/10017
[29253.238634] dnf[683]:   Cleanup  : firefox-82.0.2-1.fc31.x86_64  
  5010/10017
[29258.067048] dnf[683]:   Running scriptlet: firefox-82.0.2-1.fc31.x86_64  
  5010/10017
[29258.225288] dnf[683]:   Running scriptlet: 
samba-client-2:4.11.14-0.fc31.x86_64
5011/10017
[29258.252223] dnf[683]:   Cleanup  : 
samba-client-2:4.11.14-0.fc31.x86_64
5011/10017
[29267.404067] dnf[683]:   Running scriptlet: 
samba-client-2:4.11.14-0.fc31.x86_64
5011/10017
[29274.681484] dnf[683]:   Running scriptlet: samba-2:4.11.14-0.fc31.x86_64
5012/10017
[29274.682893] dnf[683]:   Cleanup  : samba-2:4.11.14-0.fc31.x86_64 
  5012/10017

The lines from the boot.log about the upgrade are 31624 in total
[47054.579629] dnf[683]: Complete!
[47054.580819] dnf[683]: Cleaning up downloaded data...

Well thanks for the time.
My first computer was a Heathkit H-120 with dual cpus. 8080 and an
8mzh 8088. Would only use one or other, not both at same time. Had
768K RAM and 192k video board. Much nicer than IBM PC. 20M hard
disk was an option, but was an extra $2000 on top of the $2349 for the
kit. So, ran it on dual 360K flop

Re: mysterious/suspicious internet activity.

2020-12-02 Thread Ralf Corsepius

On 12/1/20 1:18 AM, home user wrote:

(on Mon, 2020-11-30 at 23:56 +, Ed wrote)
 > I thought you said your system was "quiet"?
 >
 > For your "network activity" issue the lines of interest are those
 > which include "ESTABLISHED" as the state.
 >
 > It shows both "thunderbird" and "firefox" are both running and connected
 > to hosts.  So, one would expect some network activity

When I opened the thread this morning (hours ago), my system was quiet. 
When, several minutes ago, I did the netstat -atuevp whose output I 
attached to my reply to you and Tim, yes, Thunderbird and Firefox were 
running.


Check these packages' "Preferences->Privacy & Security" settings.

IIRC, Fedora's Mozilla packages have Mozilla's espionage (IMHO: mis-) 
features (aka. "telemetry", "data collection") enabled by default and 
therefore are phoning home under "the hood".


Ralf

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Re: Differences between versions of wine on FC31 and FC32? 5.19/5.22

2020-12-02 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 12/1/20 11:45 PM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:

hdparm -Tt /dev/sda

/dev/sda:
  Timing cached reads:   10030 MB in  1.99 seconds = 5031.74 MB/sec
  Timing buffered disk reads: 412 MB in  3.01 seconds = 136.93 MB/sec


Those are actually particularly unhelpful benchmarks for this purpose as 
they are measuring cached and buffered reads.  You would need to run a 
benchmark for random read and write.  But it doesn't really matter. 
Laptop hard drives are really slow, so it's expected to take a long 
time, although the time yours took does seem a bit excessive.

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Re: Differences between versions of wine on FC31 and FC32? 5.19/5.22

2020-12-02 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 12/2/20 12:43 AM, José Abílio Matos wrote:

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:39:38 AM WET Samuel Sieb wrote:

 > Notebook hard drives are really slow now, but I've never seen one take

 > that long.

I saw. :-)

[Oh, wait let me change that emoji to :-( ;-)]

 > This is why I put SSDs in everything.

And as you correctly point this is the main issue. A SSD in an old 
computer will make the computer fly because in some cases the 
performance bottleneck is the I/O component, and that clearly is the 
case when installing/updating thousand of packages.


At one point I was upgrading a whole bunch of laptops to the next Fedora 
release and this was before I put SSDs in them.  There was one laptop 
that was at least 5 years older than the rest and it took half the time 
to do the upgrade than the new ones.

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Re: Differences between versions of wine on FC31 and FC32? 5.19/5.22

2020-12-02 Thread José Abílio Matos
On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:39:38 AM WET Samuel Sieb wrote:
> Notebook hard drives are really slow now, but I've never seen one take
> that long.

I saw. :-)

[Oh, wait let me change that emoji to :-( ;-)]

> This is why I put SSDs in everything.

And as you correctly point this is the main issue. A SSD in an old computer 
will make the computer fly because in some cases the performance bottleneck is 
the I/O component, and that clearly is the case when installing/updating 
thousand of packages.
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