Re: Best video card with native drivers?

2021-03-07 Thread Tim via users
On Sun, 2021-03-07 at 20:57 -0500, Alex wrote:
> but only 2GB RAM? Won't that affect the maximum resolution?

Yes, but...  It's going to depend on how the card works.

4k resolution is 3840 × 2160 pixels = 8,294,400 addressable pixels.

8,294,400 addresses × 3 (red, green, & blue colours) = 24,883,200
memory locations to store one screen of image data.

Depending on how many bits per colour, then the whole screen uses this
much memory for one static screen:

 × 8 bits:  199,065,600 bits (24,883,200 bytes, or 25 MB)
× 16 bits:  398,131,200 bits (49,766,400 bytes, or 50 MB)
× 32 bits:  796,262,400 bits (99,532,800 bytes, or 100 MB)

That's assuming a simple bitmap of the screen display, as opposed to
compressed image handling (such as a 100 × 100 blue square being
defined mathematically rather than just being a memory dump of the
contents).

The things that are harder to calculate are how it handles moving
images.  How many frames does it need to be able to hold in memory? 
How does it do other rendering tricks (3D, for instance)?  Does it
decode compressed video itself (e.g. the computer hands over compressed
MP4 video data to the graphics card to decompress back to RGB, passing
over a small amount of data to a graphics processor with oodles of RAM
all to itself).

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[389-users] Re: Chain on Update problem

2021-03-07 Thread Grant Byers
Confirmed. I made the following simple change and it allows cb_ping_farm to 
work with anonymous binds only enabled for rootdse;


diff -urN a/ldap/servers/plugins/chainingdb/cb_conn_stateless.c 
b/ldap/servers/plugins/chainingdb/cb_conn_stateless.c
--- a/ldap/servers/plugins/chainingdb/cb_conn_stateless.c   2020-03-17 
04:52:57.0 +1000
+++ b/ldap/servers/plugins/chainingdb/cb_conn_stateless.c   2021-03-08 
14:04:48.413647052 +1000
@@ -883,7 +883,7 @@
 /* NOTE: This will fail if we implement the ability to disable
anonymous bind */
-rc = ldap_search_ext_s(ld, NULL, LDAP_SCOPE_BASE, "objectclass=*", attrs, 
1, NULL,
+rc = ldap_search_ext_s(ld, "", LDAP_SCOPE_BASE, "objectclass=*", attrs, 1, 
NULL,
NULL, , 1, );
 if (LDAP_SUCCESS != rc) {
 slapi_ldap_unbind(ld);


I don't believe this will break any functionality, but since we're running 
RHEL7, i'll raise this with Red Hat directly and they can review and/or push 
upstream.

Regards,
Grant


From: Grant Byers 
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 12:27 PM
To: 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org <389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Subject: Re: [389-users] Re: Chain on Update problem

Thanks.

I have tested various combinations of the tuning params without success. I've 
done further debugging and confirmed that it always starts after a bind 
operation timeout. Looking into the chaining plugin code, I see that on 
operation timeout results in a call to cb_ping_farm to see if we can find 
another server in the pool that is available. However, it performs this 
operation (the comment is telling);

/* NOTE: This will fail if we implement the ability to disable
   anonymous bind */
rc = ldap_search_ext_s(ld, NULL, LDAP_SCOPE_BASE, "objectclass=*", attrs, 
1, NULL,
   NULL, , 1, );
if (LDAP_SUCCESS != rc) {
slapi_ldap_unbind(ld);
cb_update_failed_conn_cpt(cb);
return LDAP_SERVER_DOWN;
}

So basically, because we've disallowed anonymous bind for anything but rootdse, 
it will always fail to find another available server. I have confirmed this by 
allowing anonymous bind on our masters while the issue was present, then 
subsequent binds on the consumers start working again.

I would think it more appropriate for that code to do a search against the 
rootdse instead. Is there any good reason why it shouldn't? If not, I might 
test modifying it.


Thanks,
Grant



From: William Brown 
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 3:52 PM
To: 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org <389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Subject: [389-users] Re: Chain on Update problem

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> On 5 Mar 2021, at 12:03, Grant Byers  wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Version: 1.3.10
>
> In our environment, we'd like to use a chaining backend to push BIND 
> operations up to masters by way of the consumer (rather than client 
> referral). We'd like to do this to ensure password lockout attributes are 
> propagated to all consumers equally via our standard replication agreements. 
> This is described here - 
> https://directory.fedoraproject.org/docs/389ds/howto/howto-chainonupdate.html.
>
> NOTE, we do not have hubs in our topology. Just masters and consumers, so no 
> intermediate chaining.
>
> We tested this process in our environment and it worked beautifully until we 
> took it to production. Currently, we have just 2 masters and they are both 
> sitting on some over-subscribed hardware that suffers from I/O starvation at 
> certain times of the day. The plan is to scale out our masters eventually, 
> but we're a little hamstrung with other projects and priorities. It worked 
> extremely well until that time of day when masters suffered from I/O 
> starvation, and hence, very long I/O wait times. This is generally short 
> lived and happens at alternate times of the day for each of the masters. 
> However, it seems that once both nsfarmservers have "failed", there is never 
> any attempt by the consumer to retry them. This leads to bind errors as 
> follows;
>
> ldapwhoami -x -D "" -W
> Enter LDAP Password:
> ldap_bind: Operations error (1)
> additional info: FARM SERVER TEMPORARY UNAVAILABLE
>
> Except it is not temporary. It never recovers, even though all members of 
> nsfarmservers are now healthy again (and are never unhealthy at the same 
> time). We can confirm this by performing binds from the consumers directly 
> against the masters. I thought that setting nsConnectionLife to something 
> larger than 0 (indefinite) would help this, but it has not.

The chain on update appears to use the chaining plugin timeouts, so you could 
look at adjusting these parameters which may help.

nsBindTimeout
nsOperationTimeout
nsBindRetryLimit
nsMaxResponseDelay
nsMaxTestResponseDelay



>
> Is this by design, a bug, or an implementation fault on my behalf? 
> Configuration below;
>
> Thanks,
> Grant
>
>
>
> ## On 

Re: Best video card with native drivers?

2021-03-07 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 3/7/21 6:44 PM, Alex wrote:

Hi,


I did see one card online at the store I usually buy from.  It's a
Radeon™ Pro WX 2100 for $200CAD that supports up to 3 4K monitors.  This
isn't a recommendation because I haven't done any research or
comparisons, but you might be able to find something.


Looks like about $140 USD on amazon here - but only 2GB RAM? Won't
that affect the maximum resolution?


No.  The actual display data for 3 4K monitors is less than 100MB.  The
rest of the memory is used for buffers and 3D rendering stuff.  Even if
you don't play games, the 3D rendering hardware is used by compositors
like Gnome Shell and video playback.


Am I going to notice a big difference between a 2GB card and a 4GB
card if I don't use it to play games?


Not likely.  Very similar to how CPUs are now as well.


I believe the card I have now only has 1GB (it may be more than ten
years old, lol), but I would like to invest in something that's going
to last a while...


It will last.  But look around a bit.  That one was just the only AMD 
card that was in stock at the store I checked and was a reasonable 
price.  You might be able to find one with a bit more memory for a bit 
more money.  I personally think that it will work just fine for your 
use, but don't be surprised if someone asks you why you have such a 
low-end outdated card. :-)

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Re: Best video card with native drivers?

2021-03-07 Thread Alex
Hi,

> >> I did see one card online at the store I usually buy from.  It's a
> >> Radeon™ Pro WX 2100 for $200CAD that supports up to 3 4K monitors.  This
> >> isn't a recommendation because I haven't done any research or
> >> comparisons, but you might be able to find something.
> >
> > Looks like about $140 USD on amazon here - but only 2GB RAM? Won't
> > that affect the maximum resolution?
>
> No.  The actual display data for 3 4K monitors is less than 100MB.  The
> rest of the memory is used for buffers and 3D rendering stuff.  Even if
> you don't play games, the 3D rendering hardware is used by compositors
> like Gnome Shell and video playback.

Am I going to notice a big difference between a 2GB card and a 4GB
card if I don't use it to play games?

I believe the card I have now only has 1GB (it may be more than ten
years old, lol), but I would like to invest in something that's going
to last a while...
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[389-users] Re: Chain on Update problem

2021-03-07 Thread Grant Byers
Thanks.

I have tested various combinations of the tuning params without success. I've 
done further debugging and confirmed that it always starts after a bind 
operation timeout. Looking into the chaining plugin code, I see that on 
operation timeout results in a call to cb_ping_farm to see if we can find 
another server in the pool that is available. However, it performs this 
operation (the comment is telling);

/* NOTE: This will fail if we implement the ability to disable
   anonymous bind */
rc = ldap_search_ext_s(ld, NULL, LDAP_SCOPE_BASE, "objectclass=*", attrs, 
1, NULL,
   NULL, , 1, );
if (LDAP_SUCCESS != rc) {
slapi_ldap_unbind(ld);
cb_update_failed_conn_cpt(cb);
return LDAP_SERVER_DOWN;
}

So basically, because we've disallowed anonymous bind for anything but rootdse, 
it will always fail to find another available server. I have confirmed this by 
allowing anonymous bind on our masters while the issue was present, then 
subsequent binds on the consumers start working again.

I would think it more appropriate for that code to do a search against the 
rootdse instead. Is there any good reason why it shouldn't? If not, I might 
test modifying it.


Thanks,
Grant



From: William Brown 
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 3:52 PM
To: 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org <389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Subject: [389-users] Re: Chain on Update problem

[External Mail]


> On 5 Mar 2021, at 12:03, Grant Byers  wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Version: 1.3.10
>
> In our environment, we'd like to use a chaining backend to push BIND 
> operations up to masters by way of the consumer (rather than client 
> referral). We'd like to do this to ensure password lockout attributes are 
> propagated to all consumers equally via our standard replication agreements. 
> This is described here - 
> https://directory.fedoraproject.org/docs/389ds/howto/howto-chainonupdate.html.
>
> NOTE, we do not have hubs in our topology. Just masters and consumers, so no 
> intermediate chaining.
>
> We tested this process in our environment and it worked beautifully until we 
> took it to production. Currently, we have just 2 masters and they are both 
> sitting on some over-subscribed hardware that suffers from I/O starvation at 
> certain times of the day. The plan is to scale out our masters eventually, 
> but we're a little hamstrung with other projects and priorities. It worked 
> extremely well until that time of day when masters suffered from I/O 
> starvation, and hence, very long I/O wait times. This is generally short 
> lived and happens at alternate times of the day for each of the masters. 
> However, it seems that once both nsfarmservers have "failed", there is never 
> any attempt by the consumer to retry them. This leads to bind errors as 
> follows;
>
> ldapwhoami -x -D "" -W
> Enter LDAP Password:
> ldap_bind: Operations error (1)
> additional info: FARM SERVER TEMPORARY UNAVAILABLE
>
> Except it is not temporary. It never recovers, even though all members of 
> nsfarmservers are now healthy again (and are never unhealthy at the same 
> time). We can confirm this by performing binds from the consumers directly 
> against the masters. I thought that setting nsConnectionLife to something 
> larger than 0 (indefinite) would help this, but it has not.

The chain on update appears to use the chaining plugin timeouts, so you could 
look at adjusting these parameters which may help.

nsBindTimeout
nsOperationTimeout
nsBindRetryLimit
nsMaxResponseDelay
nsMaxTestResponseDelay



>
> Is this by design, a bug, or an implementation fault on my behalf? 
> Configuration below;
>
> Thanks,
> Grant
>
>
>
> ## On masters, create a dedicated user for chaining backend
> dn: cn=proxy,cn=config
> objectClass: person
> objectClass: top
> cn: proxy
> sn: admin
>
> ## On all consumers, create chaining backend;
> dn: cn=chainbe1,cn=chaining database,cn=plugins,cn=config
> objectclass: top
> objectclass: extensibleObject
> objectclass: nsBackendInstance
> nsslapd-suffix: 
> nsfarmserverurl: ldaps://:636 :636/
> nsMultiplexorBindDN: >
> nsMultiplexorCredentials: 
> nsCheckLocalACI: on
> nsConnectionLife: 30
> cn: chainbe1
>
> ## On all consumers, add the backend and repl_chain_on_update function
> dn: cn="",cn=mapping tree,cn=config
> changetype: modify
> add: nsslapd-backend
> nsslapd-backend: chainbe1
> -
> add: nsslapd-distribution-plugin
> nsslapd-distribution-plugin: libreplication-plugin
> -
> add: nsslapd-distribution-funct
> nsslapd-distribution-funct: repl_chain_on_update
>
> ## On all servers, enable global pasword policy
> dn: cn=config
> changetype: modify
> replace: passwordIsGlobalPolicy
> passwordIsGlobalPolicy: on
>
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Re: Best video card with native drivers?

2021-03-07 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 3/7/21 5:57 PM, Alex wrote:

I mentioned earlier on, but probably should have been more clear, that
I'm not really interested in it for gaming. This is my everyday
desktop that I use for a Windows VM and office work. Hmm... are these
games on Linux that people are playing, anyway?


You did say that.  You seemed to be surprised about the price, so I was 
just pointing out that it's a typical price range for a gaming card. 
And yes, gaming on Linux has greatly increased, particularly since a lot 
more games are cross-platform now and even more so since Steam supports 
running a lot of windows games on Linux as well.



How about this card? It says it's on sale, but is it really?
https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-radeon-rx-5500-xt-gv-r55xtoc-4gd/p/N82E16814932239

This has three DisplayPort connectors - my current monitors do support
displayport, although I'll need new cables.


I have no idea, you'll have to look around and compare prices.  And yes, 
you'll need to order display to hdmi adapters.  They should be cheap, 
don't get tricked by the very expensive ones.  (It's really only pin 
conversions between the different connectors.)  Note that the card I 
pointed out has one regular displayport and two mini displayport 
connectors, so pick your card before ordering adapters.



I did see one card online at the store I usually buy from.  It's a
Radeon™ Pro WX 2100 for $200CAD that supports up to 3 4K monitors.  This
isn't a recommendation because I haven't done any research or
comparisons, but you might be able to find something.


Looks like about $140 USD on amazon here - but only 2GB RAM? Won't
that affect the maximum resolution?


No.  The actual display data for 3 4K monitors is less than 100MB.  The 
rest of the memory is used for buffers and 3D rendering stuff.  Even if 
you don't play games, the 3D rendering hardware is used by compositors 
like Gnome Shell and video playback.

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Re: Best video card with native drivers?

2021-03-07 Thread Alex
Hi,

> >>> - native open source drivers
> >>> - supports at least three monitors
> >>> - PCIe x16
> >>> - support for 4K
> >>> - HDMI output
> >>> - audio not necessary
> >>
> >> AMD cards are going to be your only options here, because the two choices
> >> for open source drivers are AMD and Intel, and Intel doesn't make
> >> stand-alone cards with multi-monitor support. (With some laptop models, you
> >> can drive the internal display plus one with the built-in external HDMI 
> >> plus
> >> one over thunderbolt, for a total of three displays, but that doesn't sound
> >> like what you're looking for.)
> >>
> >> I personally have been very happy with AMD cards (previously, a Vega 56 and
> >> now a Radeon Pro W5700) on Fedora Workstation -- they basically just work,
> >> and provide a great gaming experience.
> >
> > Those are in a completely different range from what I was thinking.
> > $800 for a video card? And only using the open source driver?
>
> That seems to be a typical price for a gaming video card.

I mentioned earlier on, but probably should have been more clear, that
I'm not really interested in it for gaming. This is my everyday
desktop that I use for a Windows VM and office work. Hmm... are these
games on Linux that people are playing, anyway?

How about this card? It says it's on sale, but is it really?
https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-radeon-rx-5500-xt-gv-r55xtoc-4gd/p/N82E16814932239

This has three DisplayPort connectors - my current monitors do support
displayport, although I'll need new cables.

> I did see one card online at the store I usually buy from.  It's a
> Radeon™ Pro WX 2100 for $200CAD that supports up to 3 4K monitors.  This
> isn't a recommendation because I haven't done any research or
> comparisons, but you might be able to find something.

Looks like about $140 USD on amazon here - but only 2GB RAM? Won't
that affect the maximum resolution?
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Re: Best video card with native drivers?

2021-03-07 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 3/7/21 5:28 PM, Alex wrote:

Hi,


- native open source drivers
- supports at least three monitors
- PCIe x16
- support for 4K
- HDMI output
- audio not necessary


AMD cards are going to be your only options here, because the two choices
for open source drivers are AMD and Intel, and Intel doesn't make
stand-alone cards with multi-monitor support. (With some laptop models, you
can drive the internal display plus one with the built-in external HDMI plus
one over thunderbolt, for a total of three displays, but that doesn't sound
like what you're looking for.)

I personally have been very happy with AMD cards (previously, a Vega 56 and
now a Radeon Pro W5700) on Fedora Workstation -- they basically just work,
and provide a great gaming experience.


Those are in a completely different range from what I was thinking.
$800 for a video card? And only using the open source driver?


That seems to be a typical price for a gaming video card.


My comment about using an open source driver was based on the need for
stability, but if the binary driver provides better support for the
card, and is still stable, then I would consider that as well.


AMD cards work great and are supported out of the box.  The NVidia cards 
require you to manage the proprietary drivers.


I haven't done any research, but with a quick look around, as someone 
else said, this appears to be a terrible time to buy a video card. 
Almost everything is expensive and out of stock.


I did see one card online at the store I usually buy from.  It's a 
Radeon™ Pro WX 2100 for $200CAD that supports up to 3 4K monitors.  This 
isn't a recommendation because I haven't done any research or 
comparisons, but you might be able to find something.

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Re: Best video card with native drivers?

2021-03-07 Thread Alex
Hi,

> > - native open source drivers
> > - supports at least three monitors
> > - PCIe x16
> > - support for 4K
> > - HDMI output
> > - audio not necessary
>
> AMD cards are going to be your only options here, because the two choices
> for open source drivers are AMD and Intel, and Intel doesn't make
> stand-alone cards with multi-monitor support. (With some laptop models, you
> can drive the internal display plus one with the built-in external HDMI plus
> one over thunderbolt, for a total of three displays, but that doesn't sound
> like what you're looking for.)
>
> I personally have been very happy with AMD cards (previously, a Vega 56 and
> now a Radeon Pro W5700) on Fedora Workstation -- they basically just work,
> and provide a great gaming experience.

Those are in a completely different range from what I was thinking.
$800 for a video card? And only using the open source driver?

My comment about using an open source driver was based on the need for
stability, but if the binary driver provides better support for the
card, and is still stable, then I would consider that as well.
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Re: dnf update of wine shows error??

2021-03-07 Thread Michael D. Setzer II via users
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> 010c:err:process:exec_process failed to load 
> L"C:\\windows\\syswow64\\rundll32.exe" error c018
> wine: configuration in L"H:\\.wine" has been updated.
> 

Turned out the entire syswow64 directory was missing on 
2 of my 4 Fedora 32 machines after update?
Found that doing a dnf reinstall wine* 
and then doing wine notepad seemed to restore the 
directory?? Now have all machines with wine and 
syswow64? 



> Just ran dnf update and it installed updates to wine.
> Then ran wine notepad to test, and noticed this error 
> come up??
> 
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dnf update of wine shows error??

2021-03-07 Thread Michael D. Setzer II via users
010c:err:process:exec_process failed to load 
L"C:\\windows\\syswow64\\rundll32.exe" error c018
wine: configuration in L"H:\\.wine" has been updated.

Just ran dnf update and it installed updates to wine.
Then ran wine notepad to test, and noticed this error 
come up??

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Re: Using WD MYCloud Ultra NAS

2021-03-07 Thread George N. White III
On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 at 01:44, Robert McBroom via users <
users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> Added a WD Mycloud Ultra NAS to my local network. Some variant of NFS is
> used. There are two shares, one designated as public for access by all
> systems on the network and one with a user and password.
>
> Both are accessible on Windows systems on the network. The public share
> can be mounted on Fedora 33 with the command--
>
> -
>
> ~]# mount -t nfs 192.168.1.248:/mnt/HD/HD_a2/Public /mnt/Public
>
> Created symlink
> /run/systemd/system/remote-fs.target.wants/rpc-statd.service →
> /usr/lib/systemd/system/rpc-statd.service.
>
> -
>
> If the same type of command is used for the other share
>
> -
>
> ~]# mount -t nfs 192.168.1.248:/mnt/HD/HD_a2/mcstuffy /mnt/mcstuffy
> Created symlink
> /run/systemd/system/remote-fs.target.wants/rpc-statd.service →
> /usr/lib/systemd/system/rpc-statd.service.
> mount.nfs: Protocol not supported
>

> -
>
NFS may not be enabled for the other share.   Use
"showmount -e " on the client.  You can "-v" to
get more information from the mount command.

>

>
> I don't see anyway to specify the user/password. Things I find with
> search seem to be quite out of date.
>

NFS may rely on the client system's user authentication.   In the
past it was necessary to assign consistent ID's (user and group)
across machines, now there is ID mapping on some systems, but
I have never used it.

>
> Another mode of access is supposedly
>
> nfs://192.168.1.248/nfs/mcstuffy
>
> using this in a mount command gets NFS URL not supported. dolphin and
> konqueror do not see it either.
>

This form was used at one time on macOS (my last contact with macOS was
several years ago).


>
> Any help would be appreciated
>

Some internet posts say you can log in an "admin" via ssh, but that you
don't
get full "root" privileges.   You can check for a "sudo" command, see if
you are allowed to view log files, and maybe figure out what OS is used .

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Re: Best video card with native drivers?

2021-03-07 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sun, Mar 07, 2021 at 09:14:22AM -0500, Alex wrote:
>  I use my desktop for basic photo editing, playing videos, and basic
> office/browser work. What recommendations do you have? Here's my
> requirements:
> 
> - native open source drivers
> - supports at least three monitors
> - PCIe x16
> - support for 4K
> - HDMI output
> - audio not necessary

AMD cards are going to be your only options here, because the two choices
for open source drivers are AMD and Intel, and Intel doesn't make
stand-alone cards with multi-monitor support. (With some laptop models, you
can drive the internal display plus one with the built-in external HDMI plus
one over thunderbolt, for a total of three displays, but that doesn't sound
like what you're looking for.)

I personally have been very happy with AMD cards (previously, a Vega 56 and
now a Radeon Pro W5700) on Fedora Workstation -- they basically just work,
and provide a great gaming experience.


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Re: Best video card with native drivers?

2021-03-07 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sun, Mar 07, 2021 at 09:55:54AM -0500, Alex wrote:
> Yeah, great point. I actually forgot about that - I'm using the radeon
> driver, which I think is also from rpmfusion.

Radeon and AMDGPU open source drivers are included in Fedora Linux
directly... no need for third-party repos.

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Re: Best video card with native drivers?

2021-03-07 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 13:20:22 -0400
George N. White III wrote:

> I just installed
> 5.11.0-0.rc6.141.vanilla.1.fc33.x86_64 and it has gone an hour without
> a crash.

As is my tradition, I'll given them another chance when I
upgrade to fedora 34 in a few months, but the first freeze
I'll install nvidia again.
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Re: Best video card with native drivers?

2021-03-07 Thread George N. White III
On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 at 10:52, Tom Horsley  wrote:

> In my experience the only reliable open source drivers are the
> ones for Intel, and Intel doesn't make a stand alone video
> card, just on board video for Intel motherboards.
>
> For several releases now I've given the nouveau drivers a chance
> on each new fedora install, and within a week (usually within
> two hours) I've had the desktop freeze up hard, so I install the
> rpmfusion binary nvidia drivers and never have any more trouble.
>

There was a series of kernels for which nouveau drivers with many
older Nvidia cards would freeze as you describe.

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=976788
upstream: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/nouveau/-/issues/14

For Fedora, 5.8.18 was the last kernel that worked.  Patches are
available and expected to be integrated into 5.11 kernels.  I just installed
5.11.0-0.rc6.141.vanilla.1.fc33.x86_64 and it has gone an hour without
a crash.

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Re: Best video card with native drivers?

2021-03-07 Thread Joe Wulf via users
 Alex,
In order to support two monitors today, and the addition of a 3rd 4K monitor in 
the futureyou'll need a video card which supports 3+ video ports and at 
least one of those ports must also support 4k output, i.e. 3840x2160 
resolution, at a minimum.
I research/review products, especially all the details in the SPECS, at the 
manufacturers webpage, and that's usually after searching/comparing/contrasting 
similar products on sites like MicroCenter, NewEgg, Amazon, as well as the 
former FRYs Electronics.
The Radeon RX 560 Richard Shaw suggested, has 3 video-out ports (1xHDMI 2.0b; 
1xDisplayPort 1.4; 1xDL-DVI-D) and supports resolutions up to 4096x2160 
(check!).  Newegg has it for a price within your range.  I suggest reviewing 
the graphic card power supply requirements versus the rest of the equipment in 
your desktop (i.e. total up all the watt's consumed) and ensure your desktop 
power supply sufficiently exceeds that capacity.

I purchased a pair of 4K monitors early last year to use with my new desktop.  
I choose the Samsung - UJ59.  Great 4k resolution at 32" in size, shop around 
for price as you should be able to secure one for $300-$400.
As for native open source drivers on Radeon equipment I cannot speak to that.  
My preference is for something out of the nVidia family of products as their 
drivers for Linux (Fedora, Red Hat, Centos) have just worked whereever I've 
used them (at work and at home; physical systems and virtual).  One card to 
consider would be the GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1050 TI N105TOC; it is very close to 
within your price range, has 3 video ports like the Radeon RX 560 card and 
outputs resolution up to 7680 x4320.
Thank you.
R,-Joe Wulf



On Sunday, March 7, 2021, 9:15:04 AM EST, Alex  
wrote:  
 
 Hi,
I have about $300 to spend on a new video controller for my desktop.
I'm using f33 with Xwayland and GNOME. I currently have two 27"
monitors and plan to get a third 32" 4K in the coming months. I have
an i7-8700 3.2Ghz on an Asus PRIME Z370-A with 64GB.
https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/All-series/PRIME-Z370-A/

 I use my desktop for basic photo editing, playing videos, and basic
office/browser work. What recommendations do you have? Here's my
requirements:

- native open source drivers
- supports at least three monitors
- PCIe x16
- support for 4K
- HDMI output
- audio not necessary

What other specs should I consider? I currently have an old Radeon
HD-5770 but I'm starting to find playing video within a browser is
less than fluid.

$ lspci -k | grep -A 2 -E "(VGA|3D)"
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
[AMD/ATI] Juniper XT [Radeon HD 5770]
        Subsystem: PC Partner Limited / Sapphire Technology Device e147
        Kernel driver in use: radeon

Thanks,
Alex
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Re: Best video card with native drivers?

2021-03-07 Thread Richard Shaw
On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 8:56 AM Alex  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > In my experience the only reliable open source drivers are the
> > ones for Intel, and Intel doesn't make a stand alone video
> > card, just on board video for Intel motherboards.
> >
> > For several releases now I've given the nouveau drivers a chance
> > on each new fedora install, and within a week (usually within
> > two hours) I've had the desktop freeze up hard, so I install the
> > rpmfusion binary nvidia drivers and never have any more trouble.
>
> Yeah, great point. I actually forgot about that - I'm using the radeon
> driver, which I think is also from rpmfusion.
>

I had very few problems running akmods with Nvidia drivers from RPM Fusion,
but then again, I also was the maintainer for quite some time :) However,
you mentioned FOSS drivers so I didn't mention it. You shouldn't need the
radeon drivers with the newer AMD cards, which is why I mentioned the RX
5XX series, they run well out of the box. I only installed the amdgpu
drivers for OpenCL support.

If you can find the RX  4XX card they're nearly identical, the 5XX series
have a little higher clock speed.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: Best video card with native drivers?

2021-03-07 Thread Richard Shaw
On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 8:54 AM Alex  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> >> I have about $300 to spend on a new video controller for my desktop.
> >> I'm using f33 with Xwayland and GNOME. I currently have two 27"
> >> monitors and plan to get a third 32" 4K in the coming months. I have
> >> an i7-8700 3.2Ghz on an Asus PRIME Z370-A with 64GB.
> >>
> https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/All-series/PRIME-Z370-A/
> >
> >
> > With the caveat that right now is a TERRIBLE time to buy a video card...
>
> Do you mean because of manufacturing problems, or some other reason?
> Is it all about cryptomining?
>

There's multiple issues, silicon shortage, more demand from staying at
home, and yes mining.

I've even seen used cards going for more than what I paid new. I can
occasionally find okay deals on Facebook Marketplace, then there's people
trying to sell ancient cards for $100...

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: Best video card with native drivers?

2021-03-07 Thread Alex
Hi,

> In my experience the only reliable open source drivers are the
> ones for Intel, and Intel doesn't make a stand alone video
> card, just on board video for Intel motherboards.
>
> For several releases now I've given the nouveau drivers a chance
> on each new fedora install, and within a week (usually within
> two hours) I've had the desktop freeze up hard, so I install the
> rpmfusion binary nvidia drivers and never have any more trouble.

Yeah, great point. I actually forgot about that - I'm using the radeon
driver, which I think is also from rpmfusion.

As long as it doesn't create the instability problems that it did years ago
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Re: Best video card with native drivers?

2021-03-07 Thread Alex
Hi,

>> I have about $300 to spend on a new video controller for my desktop.
>> I'm using f33 with Xwayland and GNOME. I currently have two 27"
>> monitors and plan to get a third 32" 4K in the coming months. I have
>> an i7-8700 3.2Ghz on an Asus PRIME Z370-A with 64GB.
>> https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/All-series/PRIME-Z370-A/
>
>
> With the caveat that right now is a TERRIBLE time to buy a video card...

Do you mean because of manufacturing problems, or some other reason?
Is it all about cryptomining?

I'll check out the 580, but some of them are in the $800 range!
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Re: Best video card with native drivers?

2021-03-07 Thread Tom Horsley
In my experience the only reliable open source drivers are the
ones for Intel, and Intel doesn't make a stand alone video
card, just on board video for Intel motherboards.

For several releases now I've given the nouveau drivers a chance
on each new fedora install, and within a week (usually within
two hours) I've had the desktop freeze up hard, so I install the
rpmfusion binary nvidia drivers and never have any more trouble.
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Re: Best video card with native drivers?

2021-03-07 Thread Richard Shaw
On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 8:15 AM Alex  wrote:

> Hi,
> I have about $300 to spend on a new video controller for my desktop.
> I'm using f33 with Xwayland and GNOME. I currently have two 27"
> monitors and plan to get a third 32" 4K in the coming months. I have
> an i7-8700 3.2Ghz on an Asus PRIME Z370-A with 64GB.
>
> https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/All-series/PRIME-Z370-A/
>
>
With the caveat that right now is a TERRIBLE time to buy a video card...

I'm very happy with my AMD RX 580 8GB but I don't mind buying previous
generation hardware. I got it before the mining boom for $145 new, now
they're almost $400 if you can find them.

If you're not doing any gaming then a 560/570 would work as well.

Thanks,
Richard
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Best video card with native drivers?

2021-03-07 Thread Alex
Hi,
I have about $300 to spend on a new video controller for my desktop.
I'm using f33 with Xwayland and GNOME. I currently have two 27"
monitors and plan to get a third 32" 4K in the coming months. I have
an i7-8700 3.2Ghz on an Asus PRIME Z370-A with 64GB.
https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/All-series/PRIME-Z370-A/

 I use my desktop for basic photo editing, playing videos, and basic
office/browser work. What recommendations do you have? Here's my
requirements:

- native open source drivers
- supports at least three monitors
- PCIe x16
- support for 4K
- HDMI output
- audio not necessary

What other specs should I consider? I currently have an old Radeon
HD-5770 but I'm starting to find playing video within a browser is
less than fluid.

$ lspci -k | grep -A 2 -E "(VGA|3D)"
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
[AMD/ATI] Juniper XT [Radeon HD 5770]
Subsystem: PC Partner Limited / Sapphire Technology Device e147
Kernel driver in use: radeon

Thanks,
Alex
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