Re: Radeon 7750 as a successor to R7 240/340

[Samuel Sieb]

On 1/12/22 14:38, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Does anyone have any experience with a video card based on a Radeon HD 
7750 chipset under X? It's a shame about the R7 chipset, that chipset 
had VGA, DVI, and HDMI ports, while the 7750 has two HDMI ports. I'll 
just have to get a dongle for my VGA and DVI monitors, no big deal.


Do you need to get a discrete GPU?  You don't mention what the CPU is, 
but if you're getting an AMD CPU, you can get an APU model with the 
graphics built-in.  The motherboards usually have a VGA and DVI port.

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Re: More memory

[Tim via users]

Patrick O'Callaghan
>> You might consider the Tab Session Manager extension. It
>> periodically (or on demand) saves your current tabs and windows and
>> can restore them again on startup, but optionally not actually load
>> each page until you decide to visit it.

Andras Simon:
> I believe that this is the default behaviour of Firefox. I mean the
> "not actually loading until you switch to it" part. The restore part
> is not the default, just an option. But neither needs an extension.

I might give the manager thing a try and see what it offers me.

I've noticed the same thing, that when you fire-up Firefox, only the
currently selected tab actually loads.  Mine is set up to remember and
restore the previous session.  I do shut down the browser, and log off
the computer.

Perhaps other people are leaving their browser running 24/7?  I'm not
sure what Firefox does with pages on unselected tabs when the browser
is always running.  I suspect *anything* running on those tabs will
keep on running, because I know I can switch away from tabs playing
YouTube videos and the sound keeps going.  I'm not at all surprised
that something bad might romp through all the RAM.
 
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Re: Wayland and Xfce

[Sam Varshavchik]

George N. White III writes:

On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 at 18:48, Sam Varshavchik mr...@courier-mta.com> wrote:



   Tim via users writes:

   > Sam Varshavchik:
   > > Sadly, I expect that Fedora at some point will become exclusively
   > > Gnome and KDE, because only these stacks will support Wayland, in
   > > order to ditch X, and also target the same userbase. This won't
   > > happen anytime soon, but it will happen.
   >
   > I'm still not convinced Wayland's a great idea.  The old X had a ton of
   > features that people wanted, but Wayland doesn't.  *If* they
   > reimplement them, how's Wayland going to be different from X?  If they
   > don't reimplement them, why would those people want to use it?

   I couldn't agree more. Wayland is a solution in search of problems.



Read
https://www.kernel.org/doc/ols/2004/ols2004v1- 
pages-227-238.pdf>https://www.kernel.org/doc/ols/2004/ols2004v1- 
pages-227-238.pdf



This paper describes the problems Wayland is trying to solve.


I skimmed through it. I didn't read anything that precludes an  
implementation as an X protocol revision. Ditch last century's baggage  
(colormaps, fonts); use RENDER exclusively; replace the archaic  
COMPOUND_TEXT with UTF-8; etc…





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Re: Wayland and Xfce

[George N. White III]

On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 at 18:48, Sam Varshavchik  wrote:

> Tim via users writes:
>
> > Sam Varshavchik:
> > > Sadly, I expect that Fedora at some point will become exclusively
> > > Gnome and KDE, because only these stacks will support Wayland, in
> > > order to ditch X, and also target the same userbase. This won't
> > > happen anytime soon, but it will happen.
> >
> > I'm still not convinced Wayland's a great idea.  The old X had a ton of
> > features that people wanted, but Wayland doesn't.  *If* they
> > reimplement them, how's Wayland going to be different from X?  If they
> > don't reimplement them, why would those people want to use it?
>
> I couldn't agree more. Wayland is a solution in search of problems.


Read
https://www.kernel.org/doc/ols/2004/ols2004v1-pages-227-238.pdf

This paper describes the problems Wayland is trying to solve.


> The
> stated problems with X, that were the purported drivers for Wayland -- I
> just can't find those problems, myself.
>

Other people can.   Just because X works for you doesn't mean Wayland
doesn't make linux suitable for use cases where X fails.


>
> But it's painfully obvious that every effort is being made to ditch X in
> favor of the Next Greatest Thing. It's a path well trodden by Gnome 3 and
> systemd. I'm just a realist here, and I see the handwriting on the wall.
>

Real money is being spent to develop Wayland because the need for
better linux graphics justifies the effort.


>
> The only thing that will keep X in business is a popular widget set or a
> desktop that does not get ported to Wayland. I'm keeping my fingers
> crossed
> that xfce will be enough to keep X around. Maybe not in Fedora, but in
> other
> distributions.
>

Most likely scenario is a new lightweight DE using Wayland, maybe stealing
code from xfce or maybe completely written from scratch.

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Re: Radeon 7750 as a successor to R7 240/340

[Mauricio Tavares]

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 5:39 PM Sam Varshavchik  wrote:
>
> I had to put aside sourcing a build for a new server, last year. I just
> picked this up again. I originally sized up a system with a Radeon R7
> 240/340 chipset, but it's not widely available any more. I see just one hit
> on Amazon, but it's not listed on pcpartpicker, which I use to check for
> compatibility.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with a video card based on a Radeon HD 7750
> chipset under X? It's a shame about the R7 chipset, that chipset had VGA,
> DVI, and HDMI ports, while the 7750 has two HDMI ports. I'll just have to
> get a dongle for my VGA and DVI monitors, no big deal.
>
  Going a bit on a tangent, do AMD GPUs still have that issue
where they do not get gracefully removed from a VM, and as result made
available for other uses, after said VM is shut down?
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Re: Radeon 7750 as a successor to R7 240/340

[George N. White III]

On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 at 18:39, Sam Varshavchik  wrote:

> I had to put aside sourcing a build for a new server, last year. I just
> picked this up again. I originally sized up a system with a Radeon R7
> 240/340 chipset, but it's not widely available any more. I see just one
> hit
> on Amazon, but it's not listed on pcpartpicker, which I use to check for
> compatibility.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with a video card based on a Radeon HD
> 7750
> chipset under X? It's a shame about the R7 chipset, that chipset had VGA,
> DVI, and HDMI ports, while the 7750 has two HDMI ports. I'll just have to
> get a dongle for my VGA and DVI monitors, no big deal.
>

There are Radeon HD 7750 based cards with DVI, but don't know if they are
actually available for purchase at reasonable prices. Phoronix.com
has used Radeon HD 7750 in tests/comparisons under Ubuntu 16.04.


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Re: Thunderbird only shows 24 hour time OT

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 1/12/22 11:12, Sbob wrote:

All;


Sorry for the Off Topic post, as of Thunderbird 91 on Fedora 34 I only 
see 24 hour time in the email / inbox list. Anyone know how to change it?




Hi Sbob,

Try starting it with

  bash -c "LC_TIME=en_US thunderbird"

-T


$ LC_TIME=C date
Wed Jan 12 17:34:19 PST 2022

$ LC_TIME=en_US date
Wed Jan 12 05:34:51 PM PST 2022
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Re: Wayland and Xfce

[Sam Varshavchik]

Tim via users writes:


Sam Varshavchik:
> Sadly, I expect that Fedora at some point will become exclusively
> Gnome and KDE, because only these stacks will support Wayland, in
> order to ditch X, and also target the same userbase. This won't
> happen anytime soon, but it will happen.

I'm still not convinced Wayland's a great idea.  The old X had a ton of
features that people wanted, but Wayland doesn't.  *If* they
reimplement them, how's Wayland going to be different from X?  If they
don't reimplement them, why would those people want to use it?


I couldn't agree more. Wayland is a solution in search of problems. The  
stated problems with X, that were the purported drivers for Wayland -- I  
just can't find those problems, myself.


But it's painfully obvious that every effort is being made to ditch X in  
favor of the Next Greatest Thing. It's a path well trodden by Gnome 3 and  
systemd. I'm just a realist here, and I see the handwriting on the wall.


The only thing that will keep X in business is a popular widget set or a  
desktop that does not get ported to Wayland. I'm keeping my fingers crossed  
that xfce will be enough to keep X around. Maybe not in Fedora, but in other  
distributions.




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Radeon 7750 as a successor to R7 240/340

[Sam Varshavchik]

I had to put aside sourcing a build for a new server, last year. I just  
picked this up again. I originally sized up a system with a Radeon R7  
240/340 chipset, but it's not widely available any more. I see just one hit  
on Amazon, but it's not listed on pcpartpicker, which I use to check for  
compatibility.


Does anyone have any experience with a video card based on a Radeon HD 7750  
chipset under X? It's a shame about the R7 chipset, that chipset had VGA,  
DVI, and HDMI ports, while the 7750 has two HDMI ports. I'll just have to  
get a dongle for my VGA and DVI monitors, no big deal.




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Re: Where is PATH stored these days ? Why isn't .bash_profile executed in F35 ?

[Cameron Simpson]

On 12Jan2022 18:35, Stephen J. Turnbull  wrote:
>Running a new shell under the old one is always safe (since the old
>shell is still there when you exit this one), and if you need "login"
>behavior, "bash -l" gives you that.

+100 for this. Ashamed that I forgot to suggest it. Thanks, Cameron
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Re: More memory

[Andras Simon]

2022-01-12 13:21 UTC+01:00, Patrick O'Callaghan :
> On Wed, 2022-01-12 at 12:46 +0100, Andras Simon wrote:
>> 2022-01-12 12:09 UTC+01:00, Patrick O'Callaghan
>> :
>>
>> > You might consider the Tab Session Manager extension. It
>> > periodically
>> > (or on demand) saves your current tabs and windows and can restore
>> > them
>> > again on startup, but optionally not actually load each page until
>> > you
>> > decide to visit it.
>>
>> I believe that this is the default behaviour of Firefox. I mean the
>> "not actually loading until you switch to it" part. The restore part
>> is not the default, just an option. But neither needs an extension.
>
> While I haven't looked closely, I can only say that the behaviour with
> the extension is different from that without it, e.g. it's possible to
> avoid loading even the favicon.
>
> The restore option is also more flexible and less buggy than the
> default behaviour, which is the real reason I installed it (rather than
> the performance aspect).

I don't recall running into bugs related to this, but then you're
probably visiting different sites, etc. I have a few hundred tabs
open, but almost all of them are static pages, so maybe I'm exercising
this part of Firefox less.
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Re: sudo / su with GUI apps - ?

[lejeczek via users]

On 11/01/2022 19:54, C Linus Hicks wrote:

Making some assumptions about your requirements:

1. Make sure xauth is installed
2. Your DISPLAY environment variable is likely: ":0" - just verify it is set
3. Run the command: "xauth list"
4. Copy the line that has "/unix:", all three parts
5. Use su - or sudo to get an interactive session for alternate user
6. Run xauth command with no arguments
7. Type "list" at the prompt
8. Assuming this user currently doesn't have permission (no entry for 
host/display):
9. Type "add" and then paste the line you copied from step 4
10. Type "exit" command from xauth
11. Firefox should now be able to use the display, and your addition is 
persistent




oughh.. It turns out that

export XAUTHORITY=...

is redundant and I had it in .bash_profile of my 'regular', 
sudo/su from_user. Nor it's needed for sudo/su to_user.
Leave it vanilla default and 'firefox-wayland' works 
beautifully in F35, at least with 'su'


many thanks everybody, L.
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Re: Fedora 35 and Intel Iris XE Graphics

[Gordon Messmer]

On 1/12/22 10:33, Sbob wrote:
Does anyone know if Fedora 35 works well with the Intel Iris XE Graphics? 



I have a Dell XPS 13 9310 with Iris XE.  Initially, there were problems, 
mostly observed as the screen not updating some regions.  I worked 
around that by adding "i915.enable_psr=0" to the kernel command line.  I 
keep meaning to remove that option to see if there are still issues, but 
I haven't yet.

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Re: Fedora 35 and Intel Iris XE Graphics

[alan]

> All;
>
>
> Does anyone know if Fedora 35 works well with the Intel Iris XE Graphics?

I have an HP Spectre x360 14 with Tiger Lake and Xe graphics. It works
fine with Wayland.

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Thunderbird only shows 24 hour time OT

[Sbob]

All;


Sorry for the Off Topic post, as of Thunderbird 91 on Fedora 34 I only 
see 24 hour time in the email / inbox list. Anyone know how to change it?



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Re: Wayland and Xfce

[Wolfgang Pfeiffer]

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 04:46:16PM -0800, Samuel Sieb wrote:


[  ]

I am a technical user.  I've been using Linux since Redhat 5.  I've
used many different window managers and I was skeptical about the big
Gnome 3 change, but I tried it out.  I think I switched from KDE at
that time. I'm *very happy* with how Gnome works.  I'm not an
"apologist" for Gnome, I'm just really sick of people making such
disgusting comments about it and the people developing it (and other
software in the stack as well).  Just because you happen to not like
it for whatever reasons doesn't mean that it's not good for many other
people.  No one is forcing you to use it.


+1

And yes: I'm certainly not a Fedora aficionado. There are lots of
things I don't like on this OS, or on other Linux systems. I won't go
into details, for one simple reason: I'm free to use something else,
if I don't like what I have. Plus: admittedly I never was a convinced
Linux user. The reason I started Linux around 2000 first time was the
fact I didn't have - or better: know - anything else that came close
to my interests for software, which were - still are - Unix-like
systems.

But I find it sometimes puzzling, annoying, sometimes even boring,
when people who really could know better, complain that Linux isn't
the *nix-like, light-weight or whatever system that it probably was some
decades ago. Especially in a situation where there are other software
options out there.

Actually I'm even sort of grateful that Linux changed the way it did
over the last few years, up to the point when I more or less had to
look around for - and in the end find - some different from a modern
Linux system.

One last thing. There are people out there who seem to like ad hominem
attacks in threads like this one. Could you guys please stop that? As
Grandma' reportedly once put it:
"If you can't say it nicely, don't say anything at all."

Regards,
Wolfgang
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Fedora 35 and Intel Iris XE Graphics

[Sbob]

All;


Does anyone know if Fedora 35 works well with the Intel Iris XE Graphics?


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Re: More memory

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2022-01-12 at 08:40 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> 
> 
> On 1/12/22 06:09, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Wed, 2022-01-12 at 20:25 +1030, Tim via users wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2022-01-11 at 16:58 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> > > > what is 'earlyoom'?
> > > OOM is an out-of-memory condition, earlyoom is something that's
> > > supposed to jump in and manage the memory use (somehow) before
> > > you
> > > run
> > > out of free memory.
> > > 
> > > I'm not surprised at Firefox being a problem.  It's a behemoth of
> > > a
> > > program, all feature-full web browsers are, and there's a lot of
> > > bad
> > > websites (intentional or not).
> > > 
> > > Just the other day I spent over an hour pruning all the tabs I'd
> > > left
> > > open of things I had/hadn't finished researching over the last
> > > year.
> > > There was a lot of, close tab I've read that, close the tab
> > > because
> > > the
> > > site has vanished (always download anything you consider vital),
> > > and
> > > bookmark it for later and close the tab.
> > You might consider the Tab Session Manager extension. It
> > periodically
> > (or on demand) saves your current tabs and windows and can restore
> > them
> > again on startup, but optionally not actually load each page until
> > you
> > decide to visit it.
> 
> I seem to get that behavior now out of the box with Ff 95 in Fed35?
> 
> Just yesterday, to clean memory up, I  firefox. Waited a
> while 
> until top reported all those "Isolated web" processes ended,
> restarted 
> Firefox, and all my windows and tabs restored.  The tabs were there,
> but 
> no 'content' until I switched to said tab and THEN the content was
> received.

I used to rely on this behaviour, but it frequently didn't work
properly. I don't know if it's because I use KDE rather than Gnome, but
the extension has proved more reliable though still not perfect.

poc
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Redshift and geoclue problems

[ToddAndMargo via users]

Hi All,

Fedora 35
redshift-1.12-13.fc35.x86_64
geoclue2-2.5.7-6.fc35.x86_64

If I manually start geoclue

# systemctl start geoclue.service

as root, redshift can communicate with
geoclue2 and redshift works fine.

But redshift can not start geoclue,
unless geoclue was started as root first:

 $ redshift
 Waiting for initial location to become available...
 Unable to start GeoClue client:
 GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied:
 disallowed, no agent for UID 500.
 Access to the current location was denied by GeoClue!
 Make sure that location services are enabled and that
 Redshift is permitted to use location services. See
https://github.com/jonls/redshift#faq for more information.
 Unable to get location from provider.

can not start geoclue as a standard user
(group = 500 or users).

I have redshift in /etc/geoclue/geoclue.conf:

[redshift]
allowed=true
system=false
users=

Redshift is "suppose" to be able to start geoclue
manually as a user.

What gives?

Many thanks,
-T


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Re: More memory

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 1/12/22 06:09, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Wed, 2022-01-12 at 20:25 +1030, Tim via users wrote:

On Tue, 2022-01-11 at 16:58 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

what is 'earlyoom'?

OOM is an out-of-memory condition, earlyoom is something that's
supposed to jump in and manage the memory use (somehow) before you
run
out of free memory.

I'm not surprised at Firefox being a problem.  It's a behemoth of a
program, all feature-full web browsers are, and there's a lot of bad
websites (intentional or not).

Just the other day I spent over an hour pruning all the tabs I'd left
open of things I had/hadn't finished researching over the last year.
There was a lot of, close tab I've read that, close the tab because
the
site has vanished (always download anything you consider vital), and
bookmark it for later and close the tab.

You might consider the Tab Session Manager extension. It periodically
(or on demand) saves your current tabs and windows and can restore them
again on startup, but optionally not actually load each page until you
decide to visit it.


I seem to get that behavior now out of the box with Ff 95 in Fed35?

Just yesterday, to clean memory up, I  firefox. Waited a while 
until top reported all those "Isolated web" processes ended, restarted 
Firefox, and all my windows and tabs restored.  The tabs were there, but 
no 'content' until I switched to said tab and THEN the content was received.


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Re: Wayland and Xfce

[George N. White III]

On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 at 05:30, Tim via users 
wrote:

> On Tue, 2022-01-11 at 08:49 -0400, George N. White III wrote:
> > Complaining that Gnome is horrible only serves to trash the
> > reputation of linux and linux users.
>
> It wouldn't get the complaints if it weren't...
>
> And for a tangential example, it wasn't the people complaining about
> the crappiness of Windows that were trashing its reputation, Microsoft
> trashed its own reputation by inflicting their bad decisions on
> everyone (even those who don't use their systems).
>

There are constructive complaints that point out specific things that
should be
changed, but too many vague "Gnome is horrible" complaints.  Describing why
Xfce, etc are better for some use cases may encourage someone to start work
on a new DE.   That someone may be an experienced wayland dev
or someone just starting out and looking for a project.

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Re: More memory

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2022-01-12 at 12:46 +0100, Andras Simon wrote:
> 2022-01-12 12:09 UTC+01:00, Patrick O'Callaghan
> :
> 
> > You might consider the Tab Session Manager extension. It
> > periodically
> > (or on demand) saves your current tabs and windows and can restore
> > them
> > again on startup, but optionally not actually load each page until
> > you
> > decide to visit it.
> 
> I believe that this is the default behaviour of Firefox. I mean the
> "not actually loading until you switch to it" part. The restore part
> is not the default, just an option. But neither needs an extension.

While I haven't looked closely, I can only say that the behaviour with
the extension is different from that without it, e.g. it's possible to
avoid loading even the favicon.

The restore option is also more flexible and less buggy than the
default behaviour, which is the real reason I installed it (rather than
the performance aspect).

poc
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Re: More memory

[Andras Simon]

2022-01-12 12:09 UTC+01:00, Patrick O'Callaghan :

> You might consider the Tab Session Manager extension. It periodically
> (or on demand) saves your current tabs and windows and can restore them
> again on startup, but optionally not actually load each page until you
> decide to visit it.

I believe that this is the default behaviour of Firefox. I mean the
"not actually loading until you switch to it" part. The restore part
is not the default, just an option. But neither needs an extension.
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Re: More memory

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2022-01-12 at 20:25 +1030, Tim via users wrote:
> On Tue, 2022-01-11 at 16:58 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> > what is 'earlyoom'?
> 
> OOM is an out-of-memory condition, earlyoom is something that's
> supposed to jump in and manage the memory use (somehow) before you
> run
> out of free memory.
> 
> I'm not surprised at Firefox being a problem.  It's a behemoth of a
> program, all feature-full web browsers are, and there's a lot of bad
> websites (intentional or not).
> 
> Just the other day I spent over an hour pruning all the tabs I'd left
> open of things I had/hadn't finished researching over the last year. 
> There was a lot of, close tab I've read that, close the tab because
> the
> site has vanished (always download anything you consider vital), and
> bookmark it for later and close the tab.

You might consider the Tab Session Manager extension. It periodically
(or on demand) saves your current tabs and windows and can restore them
again on startup, but optionally not actually load each page until you
decide to visit it.

poc
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[389-users] Re: Running dscontainer as a non-root user

[Steve F]

Awesome!

In regards to starting the dscontainer service as a non root user, do you have 
any guidance?

I tried running dscontainer as a non root user in my Dockerfile, but it 
basicially instantly fails initializing the instance, as it can't write to some 
directories. 

e.g. 
sed: couldn't open temporary file 
/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/lib389/sedoCUEr6:
Permission denied
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Re: More memory

[Tim via users]

On Tue, 2022-01-11 at 14:58 -0700, linux guy wrote:
> I have 75 Windows with 550 tabs.  Across 5 desktops and 4
> activities.   My machine has 64GB of RAM.   It is always responsive.

Okay, we're all coming around to your place to use your computer, then.
;-)
 
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Re: More memory

[Tim via users]

On Tue, 2022-01-11 at 16:58 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> what is 'earlyoom'?

OOM is an out-of-memory condition, earlyoom is something that's
supposed to jump in and manage the memory use (somehow) before you run
out of free memory.

I'm not surprised at Firefox being a problem.  It's a behemoth of a
program, all feature-full web browsers are, and there's a lot of bad
websites (intentional or not).

Just the other day I spent over an hour pruning all the tabs I'd left
open of things I had/hadn't finished researching over the last year. 
There was a lot of, close tab I've read that, close the tab because the
site has vanished (always download anything you consider vital), and
bookmark it for later and close the tab.
 
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Re: sudo / su with GUI apps - ?

[Tim via users]

Hi L,

> How do you get your Firefox to run/work with different user?
> I'm thinking obvious - sudo, su - kind of 'runas' with 
> windows OS.

Seeing as no-one has said this, yet:

*** Running things as root is ill-advised. ***

While running a file manager as root to deal with some user file
permission/ownership problems is one of those be very careful what
you're doing exercises that we *sometimes* do instead of using the
command line, as it's very easy to accidentally stuff up your system.

Do not EVER run a web browser as root.  It's not just your own mistakes
you have to be wary of, it's outsider's deliberate attempts to cause
you grief that you're exposing yourself to.  You didn't write their
website, you don't know what they're going to try to do.  We do know
that the world is full of people who want to steal your money, trash
your computer, and commit crimes on your computer that make it look
like you did them.

Running things as another user is a better idea, and can be done,
sometimes with more ease than others.

I can open a command line, "su - testuser" and login as them, then run
things as them (including firefox).  Though various programs may want
to you re-authenticate as that user, because normally authentication
was handled during the graphical desktop login.  e.g. I might have to
supply that user's password(s) when I run their email program.

But depending on what desktop and server you use (Gnome, Mate, KDE,
Wayland, X, etc), you may find some things don't work (e.g. no sound),
or you get a plethora of error messages (some of which can be ignored,
because it went through trying a series of things that didn't work
before it got to one that did).

If you don't want to run two users concurrently on the same screen
(e.g. like if you were collaborating some files between two users), you
can fire up a second graphical session and log in as them separately
(e.g. such as if you wanted to check someone else's mail, then go back
to your own work).  On X, you can lock the screen with the screen
saver, then click the "switch user" button.  I dunno if Wayland
supports that.

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Re: Where is PATH stored these days ? Why isn't .bash_profile executed in F35 ?

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Cameron Simpson writes:

 > >How does one get the bash environment reloaded without logging out and
 > >logging in ?   $source  ?  $exec bash ?  ./bash ?
 > 
 > If your terminals run login shells, opening a new terminal will do. For 
 > that terminal, of course.
 > 
 > Or you can source your .profile (or separate script):
 > 
 > . ~/.bash_profile

Be very careful with sourcing.  These scripts are likely to set things
in your environment or start processes that are appropriate at
initialization, but will trash your current environment.  For example,
typically these scripts set PATH to a literal string.  If you have
added anything to PATH, you'll lose the additions.  In other cases,
they may add stuff or run stuff that you don't want done twice.

Running a new shell under the old one is always safe (since the old
shell is still there when you exit this one), and if you need "login"
behavior, "bash -l" gives you that.

Other than that, I'd give Cameron high marks for "Everything You
Wanted to Know about Bash Initialization, But Were -- Rightly! --
Afraid to Ask".  Good balance between what you should know if you're
gonna mess with it and just plagiarizing the whole man page. :-)
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Re: Wayland and Xfce

[Tim via users]

On Tue, 2022-01-11 at 08:49 -0400, George N. White III wrote:
> Complaining that Gnome is horrible only serves to trash the 
> reputation of linux and linux users.

It wouldn't get the complaints if it weren't...

And for a tangential example, it wasn't the people complaining about
the crappiness of Windows that were trashing its reputation, Microsoft
trashed its own reputation by inflicting their bad decisions on
everyone (even those who don't use their systems).
 
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Re: Wayland and Xfce

[Tim via users]

Tim,

>> Yeah, right.  Slowly opening menus, slowly spinning desktop cubes,
>> hover and wait before continuing, splash screens and other
>> animations that delay me doing something "make it work better"?

Sam Varshavchik:
> I agree. Having said that: if Gnome wants to target the power user,
> with the latest high-end video hardware, the kind who follows the
> latest UI trends, then I see nothing wrong with that, with Gnome
> becoming a boutique, specialty UI that targets a specific userbase.

It was possible to add those features without making the underlying
system sluggish, it was done before.  Now, you have a behemoth that you
can turn off the whizzy bits, but still uses too much grunt to show the
desktop in a basic manner.

> Sadly, I expect that Fedora at some point will become exclusively
> Gnome and KDE, because only these stacks will support Wayland, in
> order to ditch X, and also target the same userbase. This won't
> happen anytime soon, but it will happen.

I'm still not convinced Wayland's a great idea.  The old X had a ton of
features that people wanted, but Wayland doesn't.  *If* they
reimplement them, how's Wayland going to be different from X?  If they
don't reimplement them, why would those people want to use it?
 
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