Re: OT question about let's encrypt

2023-06-01 Thread Tim via users
Tim:
>> No, I sanitised it.  I've found, in the past, that exposing real
>> addresses gets it abused (extra spam and hacking attempts), since such
>> people harvest mailing lists and newsgroups.

Samuel Sieb:
> Then that was a very misleading post...  I assumed that it was some sort 
> of check that your DNS was functioning properly.  But if it's actually 
> the domain you're trying to create the certificate for, then that makes 
> a very different situation.  If you're making up names, you should at 
> least say that's what you're doing.

Sorry, forgot to mention it at the time.

To explain the situation again, properly:

I have a real domain name, cpanel's auto-ssl renewal system was
using let's encrypt for the certificates, I stripped my domain name out
of my posting.  I don't know how the hosting service actually handles
it, there's no configuration files I can actually see, I only get to
see the cpanel interface.  The site works (has for many years), the
certificates work (has for many years), they get renewed.

Recently my hosting service either changed to using let's encrypt - or
changed how they interact with them.

I was wondering if anyone had seen similar bogus error messages that
something might have been wrong, or maybe not, but nothing is wrong
afterwards.  Patrick, also using let's encrypt, said he hadn't.  So I'm
assuming it's some peculiarity with how my hosting service is doing
things.  Rather than let's encrypt, itself.

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Re: OT question about let's encrypt

2023-06-01 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2023-06-02 at 00:46 +0930, Tim via users wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone had seen similar bogus error messages that
> something might have been wrong, or maybe not, but nothing is wrong
> afterwards.  Patrick, also using let's encrypt, said he hadn't.  So
> I'm
> assuming it's some peculiarity with how my hosting service is doing
> things.  Rather than let's encrypt, itself.

To be clear, my use of LetsEncrypt is fairly recent, so I won't have
had any certificate renewals yet. I don't know if that's where the
problem arises.

poc
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Re: OT question about let's encrypt

2023-06-01 Thread Tim via users
On Thu, 2023-06-01 at 11:15 +0930, Tim via users wrote:
> Trying to find decent and affordable hosting in my country is an
> exercise in frustration.  Trying to find one that's actually in my
> country is difficult

Realising, after the fact, I hadn't mentioned I'm in Australia, during
this thread...

There's a couple of aspects to wanting local hosting service, apart
from the obvious of wanting to deal with locals and no overseas call
centres.  Google will consider my site is Australian if I have an
Australian IP address, or an Australian top-level domain name.  And can
return my site as an answer for queries that want local answers,
instead of discarding it as overseas.

I don't have a .au TLD.  You can get personal id.au domain names
without too many hurdles to jump through, but I don't want one of them
(a website in my own name).  All the other .au (com.au, net.au, org.au)
domain names required an Australian Business Number, or other similar
business registration, I don't have one of them, nor want to get one. 
So having an Australian IP address is the only way to make Google thing
my .com address is Australian.

Most people around here don't understand the purpose of these various
top-level subdomains and think that most sites are either simply
.com.au or .com, so bucking that trend works against you.

While it's a good thing that our name registration system knuckled down
and insisted that .com.au was only used for commercial sites, likewise
with .net.au for business, there's asn.au & .org.au for non-profit
associations and charitable organisations, etc.  Using them for their
intended purposes.  It's a shame that they didn't have the foresight to
have a general-purpose top domain, having .net.au simply for something
that's on the net would have been a good idea.

Only recently (end of last year) they seem to be opening up .au by
itself for uncategorised purposes, but registrars are price gouging it.
 
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Re: Fedora USB live: not lively. [SOLVED]

2023-06-01 Thread Stephen P. Carrier
You can also use dd to copy the usb stick back to a file, and compare the
two files with cmp.  (The original iso file should be an initial segment of
the stick copy.) Maybe you can use cmp to directly compare the iso and the
usb device, but I've never done it that way.  --Stephen

On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 1:44 PM Go Canes  wrote:

> On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 4:05 PM home user  wrote:
> > 2. I used Fedora Media Writer to put
> Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-37-1.7.iso" on stick_1; no hint of trouble.
> I tested it in the left USB-3 port; it failed.  I tested it in the right
> port; it succeeded.
>
> Instead of Media Writer, you could try using dd to write the iso to
> the stick - something like "lsblk" to identify the device for the USB
> stick and then "sudo dd if=Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-37-1.7.iso
> of=/dev/sdX bs=1m" where /dev/sdX is the USB stick.  I've always used
> dd like this and I have never had a problem booting off of the
> resulting USB stick.
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a lot of small files under /var/log/journal/

2023-06-01 Thread old sixpack13
since update to F38 Beta I see a lot of small (~4.5 MB) files under 
/var/log/journal/

in the journal:
Monotonic clock jumped backwards relative to last journal entry, rotating.
or
Realtime clock jumped backwards relative to last journal entry, rotating.

just me ???
and
Bios battery damaged/empty ?
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F38: pipewire -> pulseaudio

2023-06-01 Thread Frank Elsner via users
Hello all,

I've done 
  sudo dnf swap --allowerasing pipewire-pulseaudio pulseaudio

But even after login pipewire seems still to be active:

# ps -ef | grep -E "pulse|pipe"
frank  19848   19503  3 18:19 ?00:00:47 /usr/bin/pipewire
frank  19850   19503  4 18:19 ?00:00:56 /usr/bin/pipewire-pulse

and 

# pactl stat
Connection failure: Connection refused
pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused


Regards, Frank

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Re: OT question about let's encrypt

2023-06-01 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Thu, Jun 1, 2023 at 11:44 AM Tim via users
 wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2023-06-01 at 11:15 +0930, Tim via users wrote:
> > Trying to find decent and affordable hosting in my country is an
> > exercise in frustration.  Trying to find one that's actually in my
> > country is difficult
>
> Realising, after the fact, I hadn't mentioned I'm in Australia, during
> this thread...
>
> There's a couple of aspects to wanting local hosting service, apart
> from the obvious of wanting to deal with locals and no overseas call
> centres.  Google will consider my site is Australian if I have an
> Australian IP address, or an Australian top-level domain name.  And can
> return my site as an answer for queries that want local answers,
> instead of discarding it as overseas.

I checked with Ionos support. They said they have a presence in
Australia. I pointed out Australia was not listed in the location
drop-down to select a datacenter. There's probably an internal process
to select Australia for your datacenter.

> I don't have a .au TLD.  You can get personal id.au domain names
> without too many hurdles to jump through, but I don't want one of them
> (a website in my own name).  All the other .au (com.au, net.au, org.au)
> domain names required an Australian Business Number, or other similar
> business registration, I don't have one of them, nor want to get one.
> So having an Australian IP address is the only way to make Google thing
> my .com address is Australian.
>
> Most people around here don't understand the purpose of these various
> top-level subdomains and think that most sites are either simply
> .com.au or .com, so bucking that trend works against you.
>
> While it's a good thing that our name registration system knuckled down
> and insisted that .com.au was only used for commercial sites, likewise
> with .net.au for business, there's asn.au & .org.au for non-profit
> associations and charitable organisations, etc.  Using them for their
> intended purposes.  It's a shame that they didn't have the foresight to
> have a general-purpose top domain, having .net.au simply for something
> that's on the net would have been a good idea.
>
> Only recently (end of last year) they seem to be opening up .au by
> itself for uncategorised purposes, but registrars are price gouging it.

OpenSRS charges $12.50 USD for the various *.au names. I don't know
about the vanity domain names based on ccTLDs, however.

It may be worthwhile to get an OpenSRS reseller account. I have one
because I got tired of companies trying to gouge me in the US. Now I
handle my own registrations for a fraction of the cost.

Jeff
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Re: F38: pipewire -> pulseaudio

2023-06-01 Thread Roger Heflin
I am not sure what you are attempting to do by trying to replace
pipewire with pulse, but you only removed the pipewire to pulseaudio
module, you did not erase any of the actual pipewire rpms, just the
module that provides pulseaudio compatibility.

What exactly did the dnf swap command say it did?

rpm -qa | grep -E "pulse|pipe" should show the current installed state.


On Thu, Jun 1, 2023 at 11:46 AM Frank Elsner via users
 wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I've done
>   sudo dnf swap --allowerasing pipewire-pulseaudio pulseaudio
>
> But even after login pipewire seems still to be active:
>
> # ps -ef | grep -E "pulse|pipe"
> frank  19848   19503  3 18:19 ?00:00:47 /usr/bin/pipewire
> frank  19850   19503  4 18:19 ?00:00:56 /usr/bin/pipewire-pulse
>
> and
>
> # pactl stat
> Connection failure: Connection refused
> pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused
>
>
> Regards, Frank
>
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Re: a lot of small files under /var/log/journal/

2023-06-01 Thread Barry Scott


> On 1 Jun 2023, at 17:39, old sixpack13  wrote:
> 
> since update to F38 Beta I see a lot of small (~4.5 MB) files under 
> /var/log/journal/
> 
> in the journal:
> Monotonic clock jumped backwards relative to last journal entry, rotating.
> or
> Realtime clock jumped backwards relative to last journal entry, rotating.
> 
> just me ???
> and
> Bios battery damaged/empty ?

That is normal and expected. There is a recent discussion on systemd devel list
about this and possibly cleaning up the log.

Its nothing to worry about. journalctl knows how to join the records in the 
separate
files together into a seamless log stream.

barry

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Re: F38: pipewire -> pulseaudio

2023-06-01 Thread Barry Scott


> On 1 Jun 2023, at 17:46, Frank Elsner via users 
>  wrote:
> 
> # pactl stat
> Connection failure: Connection refused
> pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused

I have pipewire and its pulse adapter installed (the default I think)
and pactl stat works without that error.

I assume that you have logged into your desktop and are running as the
user and not root.

Barry

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Re: a lot of small files under /var/log/journal/

2023-06-01 Thread old sixpack13
> That is normal and expected. There is a recent discussion on systemd devel 
> list
> about this and possibly cleaning up the log.
> 
> Its nothing to worry about. journalctl knows how to join the records in the 
> separate
> files together into a seamless log stream.
> 
> barry

aha
thanks for lightning fast support
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VMs under VirtualBox didn't start anymore (maybeufter upgrade)

2023-06-01 Thread ogio.spam
Hi all,
I had a VirtualBox environment working in Fedora 38 using RPM Fusion
package.

Today I needed to start a VM and it hangs on starting at 20%
I thought it was a disk full, but it's not the case.

I rebooted my PC and tryed with a different VM but the result was the
same.

So I removed virtualbox and installed it with virtualbox.repo instead.
Same result.

There is someone had my similar problem?

Tnx
 Ogio
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Re: F38: pipewire -> pulseaudio

2023-06-01 Thread Frank Elsner via users
On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 11:57:57 -0500 Roger Heflin wrote:
> I am not sure what you are attempting to do by trying to replace
> pipewire with pulse, but you only removed the pipewire to pulseaudio
> module, you did not erase any of the actual pipewire rpms, just the
> module that provides pulseaudio compatibility.

I simply want to use pulseaudio.

> What exactly did the dnf swap command say it did?
> 
> rpm -qa | grep -E "pulse|pipe" should show the current installed state.

Sorry, dnf output no more available.

After rebooting the system sound works. I'll investigate the case in the
next day in detail.


Thanks so far, Frank
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Re: F38: pipewire -> pulseaudio

2023-06-01 Thread Barry Scott


> On 1 Jun 2023, at 19:28, Frank Elsner via users 
>  wrote:
> 
> I simply want to use pulseaudio.

In case you are not aware.

There are design problems in pulseaudio that pipewire fixes.

Also there is no new work going into pulseaudio all the effort
is going into pipewire.

Barry


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Missing "standard" headers in FC37 arm (aarch64) C/C++ cross-compiler RPMs ??

2023-06-01 Thread ron flory via users
Hi- am hopefully missing something dumb/obvious here---

 Am trying to cross-compile for raspberry-pi, but some basic headers appear to 
be missing, or not redirecting to 'generics'. 

-
Install the cross-compiler(s):
dnf install gcc-aarch64-linux-gnu  gcc-c++-aarch64-linux-gnu

-
Compile hello_world sample:
aarch64-linux-gnu-gcc  hello_world.cpp -o hello_world

Results:
hello_world.c:1:10: fatal error: stdio.h: No such file or directory
1 | #include 
  |  ^
compilation terminated.

-
Hello_world sample consists of:

#include 
#include 

int main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
printf("Hello World\n");
return(0);
}
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Re: Fedora USB live: not lively. [SOLVED]

2023-06-01 Thread George N. White III
On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 5:05 PM home user  wrote:

> (replying to Tim and George)
>
> Thank-you Tim and George.
>
> On 5/29/23 7:01 AM, George N. White III wrote:
>
> > Early USB-3 was problematic.  Have you used USB memory sticks before?
>  There have been cheap USB sticks that advertise a much higher
> > capacity than they actually provide.
>
> I've been using USB sticks for several years, and USB-3.0 sticks for a few
> years.  For this, I'm using 32 GB Samsung USB-3.1 sticks.  Samsung
>
is one of the good brands, right?
>

The crooks copy name-brand packaging.  Bogus USB drives can be introduced
anywhere in the supply chain, so the problem
is usually discovered only when it refuses to hold advertised capacity.
Some reports say they silently discard data past the
physical capacity and fill reads with garbage, so casually transferring a
large file will appear to work until you actually check the
contents.


>
> On 5/28/23 10:21 PM, Tim via users wrote:
>
> > It could just be /that/ USB stick.  Did you have another to try?
>
> After posts from Tim and George, I did more "experiments":
>
> 0. At the start, stick_1 has "mt86plus_6.20_64.iso" on it.  stick_2 has
> "Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-37-1.7.iso" on it, but in pieces.
>
> 1. I used Fedora Media Writer to put "mt86plus_6.20_64.iso" on stick_2; no
> hint of trouble.  I tested it in both USB-3 ports; it worked fine.
>
> 2. I used Fedora Media Writer to put
> Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-37-1.7.iso" on stick_1; no hint of trouble.
> I tested it in the left USB-3 port; it failed.  I tested it in the right
> port; it succeeded.
>
> 3. I used Fedora Media Writer to put "mt86plus_6.20_64.iso" on stick_1; no
> hint of trouble.  I tested it in both USB-3 ports; it worked fine.
>
> 4. I used Fedora Media Writer to put
> Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-37-1.7.iso" on stick_2; no hint of trouble.
> I tested it in the left USB-3 port; it failed.  I tested it in the right
> port; it succeeded.
>
> It seems that the problem is not /that/ stick.  memtest consistently
> working in both ports and on both sticks suggests to me that neither the
> ports nor the sticks are at fault.  But Fedora Live behaves inconsistently.
>

USB3 uses frequencies higher than USB2, so other devices can be affected by
poor shielding at the ports, and
kinked cables or excessively long leads connecting port to system board
cause deterioration of the signals.  Are
both ports soldered neatly to the system board with short leads?  Consider
adding a USBC card to an older desktop.

>
> All that entropy talk in the user's list recently: might some of that
> entropy be infecting Fedora Live?
> (just kidding)
>
> On 5/29/23 7:01 AM, George N. White III wrote:
>
> > ... You can mount the iso Linux
> > and use cmp to check for files that differ between .iso and USB.
>
> My Downloads directory (from which the copy to the sticks comes) has one
> .iso file; the stick has a few folders and several files.  How would I do
> that cmp?
>
> With Fedora Live apparently working adequately if the stick is in the
> right port, the original goal is satistied.
>


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Re: find command problems

2023-06-01 Thread ogio.spam
Hello

Il giorno lun, 29/05/2023 alle 00.02 +0100, Barry ha scritto:
> 
> 
> > On 28 May 2023, at 16:18, ogio.spam  wrote:
> > 
> > find . -type f -iname "*pdf" -exec tar -Azvf
> >  /var/tmp/SomeArchive.tgz {} \;
> 
> find . -type f -iname "*pdf" -exec tar -Azvf
>  /var/tmp/SomeArchive.tgz {} +
> 
> Using + means that as many filenames as can be passed are passed to
> tar.
> This reduces the number of time tar is invoked.
> Usually a big speed up.

Good to know that.
We can learn everytime.
Bye
 Ambrogio

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Re: OT question about let's encrypt

2023-06-01 Thread Peter Boy


> Am 01.06.2023 um 17:44 schrieb Tim via users :
> 
> On Thu, 2023-06-01 at 11:15 +0930, Tim via users wrote:
>> Trying to find decent and affordable hosting in my country is an
>> exercise in frustration.  Trying to find one that's actually in my
>> country is difficult
> 
> Realising, after the fact, I hadn't mentioned I'm in Australia, during
> this thread...
> 
> There's a couple of aspects to wanting local hosting service, apart
> from the obvious of wanting to deal with locals and no overseas call
> centres.  Google will consider my site is Australian if I have an
> Australian IP address, or an Australian top-level domain name.  And can
> return my site as an answer for queries that want local answers,
> instead of discarding it as overseas.
> 
> I don't have a .au TLD.  You can get personal id.au domain names
> without too many hurdles to jump through, but I don't want one of them
> (a website in my own name).  All the other .au (com.au, net.au, org.au)
> domain names required an Australian Business Number, or other similar
> business registration, I don't have one of them, nor want to get one. 
> So having an Australian IP address is the only way to make Google thing
> my .com address is Australian.
> 
> Most people around here don't understand the purpose of these various
> top-level subdomains and think that most sites are either simply
> .com.au or .com, so bucking that trend works against you.
> 
> While it's a good thing that our name registration system knuckled down
> and insisted that .com.au was only used for commercial sites, likewise
> with .net.au for business, there's asn.au & .org.au for non-profit
> associations and charitable organisations, etc.  Using them for their
> intended purposes.  It's a shame that they didn't have the foresight to
> have a general-purpose top domain, having .net.au simply for something
> that's on the net would have been a good idea.
> 
> Only recently (end of last year) they seem to be opening up .au by
> itself for uncategorised purposes, but registrars are price gouging it.


Two ideas:

(a) The message says .. domain failed DCV (Domain Control Validation) … Even if 
the domain worked previously, it may be worthwhile to check the DNS entry.

(b) If you suspect a problem with the certificate handling by certbot or your 
hosters administrative tools, did you try Apache md module 
(https://httpd.apache.org/docs/trunk/mod/mod_md.html)? Then Apache would handle 
the certificate directly. You would to have to add to your host configuration 
something like 
# Letsencrypt certificate management via Apache mod_md
# By default, automatically all alternative names get included.
MDContactEmail  j...@example.com
MDCertificateAgreement accepted
MDomain example.com  

   (Your configure here)

And comment out the

#SSLCertificateFile  /etc/letsencrypt/live/example.com/cert.pem
#SSLCertificateKeyFile   /etc/letsencrypt/live/example.com/privkey.pem
#SSLCertificateChainFile /etc/letsencrypt/live/example.com/chain.pem





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Re: OT question about let's encrypt

2023-06-01 Thread Tim via users
On Fri, 2023-06-02 at 00:39 +0200, Peter Boy wrote:
> (a) The message says .. domain failed DCV (Domain Control Validation)
> … Even if the domain worked previously, it may be worthwhile to check
> the DNS entry.

So far as I can tell, there's nothing wrong with my DNS records.  Of
course reverse lookups will fail, it's virtual hosting.  Every one of
the hosts' client IP will resolve to the host service name.


> (b) If you suspect a problem with the certificate handling by certbot
> or your hosters administrative tools, did you try Apache md module

No.  They use LightSpeed not Apache.  And while LightSpeed claim's its
a drop-in replacement, it's not.  And it's cpanel controlled, so no
access to conf files.
 
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Re: Fedora USB live: not lively. [SOLVED]

2023-06-01 Thread Tim via users
On Thu, 2023-06-01 at 18:38 -0300, George N. White III wrote:
> USB3 uses frequencies higher than USB2, so other devices can be
> affected by poor shielding at the ports, and kinked cables or
> excessively long leads connecting port to system board cause
> deterioration of the signals.  Are both ports soldered neatly to the
> system board with short leads?

That reminds me of an old problem, regardless of which version of USB:

On many PCs the front panel USB sockets have a really poor quality
flylead from the front panel to USB header pins on the motherboard. 
While this was often not a problem with the original slowest USB
speeds, it sometimes was, and very unreliable with faster speeds.

And I wish USB stick manufacturers would stop making silly designs, I
was asked to copy a file to one the other day, and it was too fat to
fit into the socket with other things plugged in next to it.

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Re: OT question about let's encrypt

2023-06-01 Thread Mike Wright

On 6/1/23 17:37, Tim via users wrote:

On Fri, 2023-06-02 at 00:39 +0200, Peter Boy wrote:

(a) The message says .. domain failed DCV (Domain Control Validation)
… Even if the domain worked previously, it may be worthwhile to check
the DNS entry.


So far as I can tell, there's nothing wrong with my DNS records.  Of
course reverse lookups will fail, it's virtual hosting.  Every one of
the hosts' client IP will resolve to the host service name.

Have you requested a PTR record?  I use two different hosting companies 
and both of them have accommodated me for whichever VMs I have spun up.

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follow-up - Re: /boot problem. [SOLVED]

2023-06-01 Thread home user

On 5/18/23 4:21 PM, home user wrote:

(f37 stand-alone dual-boot workstation)

During this afternoon's patching (via dnf), a warning GUI popped up saying 
/boot is full.  It offered me the option to move /boot files to trash, but no 
option to delete anything.  I tried moving the rescue file to trash, but the 
GUI said it couldn't.  After the dnf patching finished, I removed the rescue 
file via the rm command.  But when I rebooted, the rescue option was still in 
the grub menu.

I'm comfortable using rm in regular hard drive areas like /home.  But I'm 
neither a trained nor a professional sys.admin.  I'm seriously uneasy about 
simply rm-ing files in /boot.  What should I clear out of /boot, and what's the 
best-practice way?

Please tell me what specific information you need to help me so I can provide 
it.

thanks,
Bill.


I did my weekly patches this morning.  It was the cleanest I've experienced in 
a few weeks.
* the grub menu now includes a current rescue kernel.
* there are now 3 regular kernels in the grub menu.
* /boot is 69% used; I saw nothing in it that didn't belong (was too old).
* no more akmods-shutdown.service during shutdown.

One more kernel update is needed to make sure the weekly patches does not keep 
too many kernels, and that the rescue kernel is updated.
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Re: Fedora USB live: not lively. [SOLVED]

2023-06-01 Thread home user

On 5/31/23 2:44 PM, Go Canes wrote:

On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 4:05 PM home user  wrote:

2. I used Fedora Media Writer to put Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-37-1.7.iso" 
on stick_1; no hint of trouble.  I tested it in the left USB-3 port; it failed.  I 
tested it in the right port; it succeeded.


Instead of Media Writer, you could try using dd to write the iso to
the stick - something like "lsblk" to identify the device for the USB
stick and then "sudo dd if=Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-37-1.7.iso
of=/dev/sdX bs=1m" where /dev/sdX is the USB stick.  I've always used
dd like this and I have never had a problem booting off of the
resulting USB stick.


Tried this yesterday evening.  It failed.  It did not like the "bs=1m" at the end of the command.  
After looking at the man page, I guessed that you meant "1M" rather than "1m".  Tried 
again.  The copy (dd) apparently worked (no errors or warnings), but the boot failed.

I did my weekly patches today.  Then tried this (with "1M") again a few times.  
I got inconsistent results:
* two failures to boot.
* once it booted ok, but attempts to launch Firefox, a terminal, and the system 
monitor failed.
* twice it booted ok, but Firefox apparently locked up after a few minutes.
* once it booted ok, and the few applications I tried did work.
Results suggest that the sticks are ok, and the sockets are ok.  Something else 
is bad; I don't know what.

I'll look more closely at George's post tomorrow.
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