Re: GPT Partition

2023-09-14 Thread Peter Boy


> Am 15.09.2023 um 04:57 schrieb Felix Miata :
> 
> BTRFS devs seem to
> think only one is somehow better due to its inclusion of LVM technology.

There is no „inclusion of LVM technology“ in BTRFS. LVM provides you with 
several separate filesystems, completely independent from each other. A file 
system failure in one LVM volume does not affect any of the other volumes. All 
data in other volumes are safe. In BTRFS, everything is a single huge file 
system, (sub)volumes are just logical groupings within a single, in the worst 
case faulty, file system. The advantage of BTRFS is greater flexibility and 
effectiveness of disk capacity usage, at the expense of data protection. 



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Re: OT: Inventory able to track racks, shelves and shelve sections?

2023-09-14 Thread Frederic Muller

On 15/09/2023 09:03, Tim via users wrote:

On Fri, 2023-09-15 at 00:47 +0700, Frederic Muller wrote:

I've been looking for a inventory free software to track the mess I have
in my workshop and haven't found anything able to "adequately" track
shelves numbers and sub-divisions.

It seemed to be something very obvious for me, imagining big warehouses
with shelves and cartons and people being easily able to find that
carton full of  that, in row 18, rack 99, shelve 3 inside section B.
Well it is not. In fact warehouses are often treated as "locations" with
nothing else in most cases.

Library software?  Book (box) title, contents, shelf...
  


Didn't think about that, will see what I can find.

Thank you.

Fred
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Re: GPT Partition

2023-09-14 Thread Felix Miata
Joe Zeff composed on 2023-09-14 20:49 (UTC-0600):

> Felix Miata wrote:

>> I always have my/home/  on a separate
>> filesystem.

My guess is it is an administrative thing. They probably get or think they get
more and/or wilder complaints about mal-sizing separate filesystems than they do
not making them separate. There's a BTRFS component to it too. BTRFS devs seem 
to
think only one is somehow better due to its inclusion of LVM technology.
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Re: GPT Partition

2023-09-14 Thread Joe Zeff

On 09/14/2023 08:17 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

I always have my/home/  on a separate
filesystem.


Same here.  I've never understood why Anaconda doesn't do that by default.
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Re: GPT Partition

2023-09-14 Thread Felix Miata
Bill Cunningham composed on 2023-09-14 21:15 (UTC-0400):

>      I am just starting to get into the UEFI with my newer computer. I 
> notice that f38's auto partitioning creates a partition and formats it 
> with xfs. I suppose manually ext4 could be used. This drive I don't 
> believe is too big for ext4. But it would take a little time to format.

>      My question is, using manual or "custom" partitioning would I want 
> a 250-500 MB partition with the ID 0xef00 and then an ext4 partition, 
> for use with linux? I know M$ adds all kinds of additions to the UEFI 
> spec. What is needed for linux in making a custom partition set up?

UEFI booting requires an ESP (Efi System Partition) whether you want one or not.
:) As little as 1 file on it can get Linux booted. UEFI Windows/Linux 
multibooters
get by fine with the original 100M ESP Windows creates by default, typically
having far more freespace on the ESP than used.

Some people like mixing the OS with user data (only one EXT4 or BTRFS), or 
keeping
it separate (at least 2 EXT4 or BTRFS). I always have my /home/ on a separate
filesystem. The OS doesn't really need backing up once you get intimate with the
installation process. It's easy enough to install afresh if the OS filesystem 
gets
too messed up. I don't give the OS partition even 20G. Most I don't even give 
10G,
though all my installations are at least initially minimalist. Right now I'm
running on 18G, 3 kernels are installed, and 75% is freespace.
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Re: OT: Inventory able to track racks, shelves and shelve sections?

2023-09-14 Thread Tim via users
On Fri, 2023-09-15 at 00:47 +0700, Frederic Muller wrote:
> I've been looking for a inventory free software to track the mess I have 
> in my workshop and haven't found anything able to "adequately" track 
> shelves numbers and sub-divisions.
> 
> It seemed to be something very obvious for me, imagining big warehouses 
> with shelves and cartons and people being easily able to find that 
> carton full of  that, in row 18, rack 99, shelve 3 inside section B. 
> Well it is not. In fact warehouses are often treated as "locations" with 
> nothing else in most cases.

Library software?  Book (box) title, contents, shelf...
 
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Re: GPT Partition

2023-09-14 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 9/14/23 18:15, Bill Cunningham wrote:
     I am just starting to get into the UEFI with my newer computer. I 
notice that f38's auto partitioning creates a partition and formats it 
with xfs. I suppose manually ext4 could be used. This drive I don't 
believe is too big for ext4. But it would take a little time to format.


You must be using the server edition, because otherwise the default is 
btrfs which I recommend.


     My question is, using manual or "custom" partitioning would I want 
a 250-500 MB partition with the ID 0xef00 and then an ext4 partition, 
for use with linux? I know M$ adds all kinds of additions to the UEFI 
spec. What is needed for linux in making a custom partition set up?


You need an EFI partition and probably an ext4 /boot partition if you're 
formatting the rest as btrfs.

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GPT Partition

2023-09-14 Thread Bill Cunningham
    I am just starting to get into the UEFI with my newer computer. I 
notice that f38's auto partitioning creates a partition and formats it 
with xfs. I suppose manually ext4 could be used. This drive I don't 
believe is too big for ext4. But it would take a little time to format.


    My question is, using manual or "custom" partitioning would I want 
a 250-500 MB partition with the ID 0xef00 and then an ext4 partition, 
for use with linux? I know M$ adds all kinds of additions to the UEFI 
spec. What is needed for linux in making a custom partition set up?


Bill

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Re: signature issue with recent dnf update (fc38) [resolved]

2023-09-14 Thread Eyal Lebedinsky


On 15/09/2023 10.22, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 10:08:25AM +1000, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote:

On 15/09/2023 06.37, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

...snip...

Are you running a fc6 system? Or where do you have this rpm?


I am not running fc6, I run fc38.


ok.


I'd strongly advise you to... not use a fc6 package at this point.


I am not using any. It is fluff left over after many upgrades since the early 
days of fedora.


Wow. You have a machine that you upgraded from fc6?
Congrats!


Both dnf and rpm say the package is not installed and I cannot remove it.
I see that all the files of this package are installed.

I downloaded the rpm, how can I use this to remove the package (without 
reinstalling it first)?


Try:

sudo rpm -e --nosignature tux


I tried many options already. Nevertheless, I tried again now and it did work. 
Go figure.

Thanks


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Re: signature issue with recent dnf update (fc38)

2023-09-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 10:08:25AM +1000, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote:
> On 15/09/2023 06.37, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
...snip...
> > Are you running a fc6 system? Or where do you have this rpm?
> 
> I am not running fc6, I run fc38.

ok.

> > I'd strongly advise you to... not use a fc6 package at this point.
> 
> I am not using any. It is fluff left over after many upgrades since the early 
> days of fedora.

Wow. You have a machine that you upgraded from fc6? 
Congrats!

> Both dnf and rpm say the package is not installed and I cannot remove it.
> I see that all the files of this package are installed.
> 
> I downloaded the rpm, how can I use this to remove the package (without 
> reinstalling it first)?

Try: 

sudo rpm -e --nosignature tux

kevin


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Re: Problem with mediawriter on old Fedora installation

2023-09-14 Thread Joe Zeff

On 09/14/2023 03:49 PM, Mike Wright wrote:

I can't answer about mediawriter.

dd works well for creating bootable devices.

dd if=f38.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1m (see note below about bs=)


I've always used mediawriter ever since it was available, and whatever 
came before that as well.  This is the first time I've ever had to use 
dd, and I can now tell you that your suggestion works, except for two 
little things: one, you need to do it as root, and second, that should 
be bs=1MB.  Thanx again!

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Re: signature issue with recent dnf update (fc38)

2023-09-14 Thread Eyal Lebedinsky



On 15/09/2023 06.37, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 12:29:56AM +1000, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote:

The below message shows, then the update proceeds to completion.
Is it a problem? Is there something I should do or is it something at the 
repository side (which one?).

I found articles suggested rebuilding the rpm db. However, since this problem 
happened on two machines
I find it unusual to have the same issue in the two databases.

[later] following a vague memory of looking into it before, I looked at an old 
package
tux.x86_64  3.2.18-9.fc6  @System

and then

$ rpm -V tux.x86_64
error: Verifying a signature using certificate 
CAB44B996F27744E86127CDFB44269D04F2A6FD2 (Fedora Project ):
   Key B44269D04F2A6FD2 invalid: not signing capable
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h#  61
Header V3 DSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 4f2a6fd2: BAD
Header SHA1 digest: OK
package tux.x86_64 is not installed

Is it related?? Why the error showing now?

TIA

=
Running transaction check
error: Verifying a signature using certificate 
CAB44B996F27744E86127CDFB44269D04F2A6FD2 (Fedora Project ):
   Key B44269D04F2A6FD2 invalid: not signing capable
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h#  61
Header V3 DSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 4f2a6fd2: BAD
Header SHA1 digest: OK
Transaction check succeeded.


This fc6 package (signed back in 2007) uses a SHA1 key thats no longer
acceptable to use on any recent Fedora version.

Are you running a fc6 system? Or where do you have this rpm?


I am not running fc6, I run fc38.


I'd strongly advise you to... not use a fc6 package at this point.


I am not using any. It is fluff left over after many upgrades since the early 
days of fedora.

Both dnf and rpm say the package is not installed and I cannot remove it.
I see that all the files of this package are installed.

I downloaded the rpm, how can I use this to remove the package (without 
reinstalling it first)?


kevin


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Re: Problem with mediawriter on old Fedora installation

2023-09-14 Thread Todd Zullinger
Mike Wright wrote:
> On 9/14/23 14:30, Joe Zeff wrote:
>> I know that there's a way to put the .iso onto the drive
>> with dd, but don't know the proper incantation as I've
>> never had to do it before.  If somebody can provide it,
>> I'd be grateful.
> 
> dd works well for creating bootable devices.
> 
> dd if=f38.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1m (see note below about bs=)
> 
> There are a lot of other options but that is the minimum and should work.
> 
> if = input file (your file.iso)
> of = output file (here you would use the whole unpartitioned device)
> bs = block size (how large of chunks at a time to transfer: little stuff 4k,
> big stuff 1m, 4m, 16m.  Bigger the chunks faster the copy.  Writable media
> is much better now days).  Good luck.
> 
> It's been a long time since I've done this but I think that's the basic way
> to do it.

Yep, good memory (and the dd method is pretty simple,
thankfully).

The official documentation is:


https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/creating-and-using-a-live-installation-image/#_using_a_direct_write_method

and uses:

dd if=/path/to/image.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=8M status=progress oflag=direct

Other than the addition of status and oflag, it's (more or
less) identical to yours.  Those just make it mildly nicer
to watch, largely.

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Re: Problem with mediawriter on old Fedora installation

2023-09-14 Thread Mike Wright

On 9/14/23 14:30, Joe Zeff wrote:
For a number of different reasons, my desktop is still on F25, and my 
laptop's hard drive has failed.  I need to make a bootable USB drive, 
first to install F38 on my laptop's new drive and second to get my 
desktop current.  Alas, when I try to run mediawriter, it failed with a 
Segmentation fault twice, at the same spot.  I know that there's a way 
to put the .iso onto the drive with dd, but don't know the proper 
incantation as I've never had to do it before.  If somebody can provide 
it, I'd be grateful.


Hi Joe,

I can't answer about mediawriter.

dd works well for creating bootable devices.

dd if=f38.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1m (see note below about bs=)

There are a lot of other options but that is the minimum and should work.

if = input file (your file.iso)
of = output file (here you would use the whole unpartitioned device)
bs = block size (how large of chunks at a time to transfer: little stuff 
4k, big stuff 1m, 4m, 16m.  Bigger the chunks faster the copy.  Writable 
media is much better now days).  Good luck.


It's been a long time since I've done this but I think that's the basic 
way to do it.

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Problem with mediawriter on old Fedora installation

2023-09-14 Thread Joe Zeff
For a number of different reasons, my desktop is still on F25, and my 
laptop's hard drive has failed.  I need to make a bootable USB drive, 
first to install F38 on my laptop's new drive and second to get my 
desktop current.  Alas, when I try to run mediawriter, it failed with a 
Segmentation fault twice, at the same spot.  I know that there's a way 
to put the .iso onto the drive with dd, but don't know the proper 
incantation as I've never had to do it before.  If somebody can provide 
it, I'd be grateful.

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Re: signature issue with recent dnf update (fc38)

2023-09-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 12:29:56AM +1000, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote:
> The below message shows, then the update proceeds to completion.
> Is it a problem? Is there something I should do or is it something at the 
> repository side (which one?).
> 
> I found articles suggested rebuilding the rpm db. However, since this problem 
> happened on two machines
> I find it unusual to have the same issue in the two databases.
> 
> [later] following a vague memory of looking into it before, I looked at an 
> old package
>   tux.x86_64  3.2.18-9.fc6  @System
> 
> and then
> 
> $ rpm -V tux.x86_64
> error: Verifying a signature using certificate 
> CAB44B996F27744E86127CDFB44269D04F2A6FD2 (Fedora Project ):
>   Key B44269D04F2A6FD2 invalid: not signing capable
> error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h#  61
> Header V3 DSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 4f2a6fd2: BAD
> Header SHA1 digest: OK
> package tux.x86_64 is not installed
> 
> Is it related?? Why the error showing now?
> 
> TIA
> 
> =
> Running transaction check
> error: Verifying a signature using certificate 
> CAB44B996F27744E86127CDFB44269D04F2A6FD2 (Fedora Project ):
>   Key B44269D04F2A6FD2 invalid: not signing capable
> error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h#  61
> Header V3 DSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 4f2a6fd2: BAD
> Header SHA1 digest: OK
> Transaction check succeeded.

This fc6 package (signed back in 2007) uses a SHA1 key thats no longer
acceptable to use on any recent Fedora version.

Are you running a fc6 system? Or where do you have this rpm?

I'd strongly advise you to... not use a fc6 package at this point.

kevin


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OT: Inventory able to track racks, shelves and shelve sections?

2023-09-14 Thread Frederic Muller

Hi!

I've been looking for a inventory free software to track the mess I have 
in my workshop and haven't found anything able to "adequately" track 
shelves numbers and sub-divisions.


It seemed to be something very obvious for me, imagining big warehouses 
with shelves and cartons and people being easily able to find that 
carton full of  that, in row 18, rack 99, shelve 3 inside section B. 
Well it is not. In fact warehouses are often treated as "locations" with 
nothing else in most cases.


So I am curious if anyone knows of any way (I thought of using the 
comment section but that's not really a great way to do it) to handle 
this, or any software if it exists?


Thank you very much for your insights.

Fred
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Re: Cloning disk with dd give me "Error while writing to /dev/sdc: Unit full"

2023-09-14 Thread Jon Ingason via users

Den 2023-09-14 kl. 18:24, skrev Chris Adams:

Once upon a time, Jon Ingason  said:

I am trying to clone /dev/sdb, Hitachi HTS545050A7E380, 465.76 GiB,
to /dev/sbc, Samsung SSD 870 EVO 500G, 465.76 GiB.

$ sudo dd if=/dev/sdb bs=4MB of=/dev/sbc bs=4MB conv=noerror,sync


Is it really "sbc", or is it "sdc"?  I expect it's the latter, and you
just wrote a new file called "sbc" in /dev, which is a special
filesystem (that's only 4M) and you just filled it up.


OOBS! I didn't see that.

It seems to work now. Just sitt and wait.

Thank you Chris Adams and Roger Heflin.
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Re: Cloning disk with dd give me "Error while writing to /dev/sdc: Unit full"

2023-09-14 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Jon Ingason  said:
> I am trying to clone /dev/sdb, Hitachi HTS545050A7E380, 465.76 GiB,
> to /dev/sbc, Samsung SSD 870 EVO 500G, 465.76 GiB.
> 
> $ sudo dd if=/dev/sdb bs=4MB of=/dev/sbc bs=4MB conv=noerror,sync

Is it really "sbc", or is it "sdc"?  I expect it's the latter, and you
just wrote a new file called "sbc" in /dev, which is a special
filesystem (that's only 4M) and you just filled it up.

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Re: Cloning disk with dd give me "Error while writing to /dev/sdc: Unit full"

2023-09-14 Thread Roger Heflin
I would not use the sync option, it may be the problem (especially
with the large blocksize) and it will significantly slow down
everything.  Likely the disk full is that it simply cannot handle a
sync 4M write.

And you only need bs once and I typically use bs=1M.  bs is for both streams.

On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 10:39 AM Jon Ingason via users
 wrote:
>
> I am trying to clone /dev/sdb, Hitachi HTS545050A7E380, 465.76 GiB, to
> /dev/sbc, Samsung SSD 870 EVO 500G, 465.76 GiB.
>
> $ sudo dd if=/dev/sdb bs=4MB of=/dev/sbc bs=4MB conv=noerror,sync
> dd: Error while writing to /dev/sdc: Unit full
> 2+0 records in
> 1+0 records out
> 4194304 bytes (4,2 MB, 4,0 MiB) copied, 0,144554 s, 29,0 MB/s
>
> What is wrong with this?
>
> --
>
> Regards
>
> Jon Ingason
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Cloning disk with dd give me "Error while writing to /dev/sdc: Unit full"

2023-09-14 Thread Jon Ingason via users
I am trying to clone /dev/sdb, Hitachi HTS545050A7E380, 465.76 GiB, to 
/dev/sbc, Samsung SSD 870 EVO 500G, 465.76 GiB.


$ sudo dd if=/dev/sdb bs=4MB of=/dev/sbc bs=4MB conv=noerror,sync
dd: Error while writing to /dev/sdc: Unit full
2+0 records in
1+0 records out
4194304 bytes (4,2 MB, 4,0 MiB) copied, 0,144554 s, 29,0 MB/s

What is wrong with this?

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signature issue with recent dnf update (fc38)

2023-09-14 Thread Eyal Lebedinsky

The below message shows, then the update proceeds to completion.
Is it a problem? Is there something I should do or is it something at the 
repository side (which one?).

I found articles suggested rebuilding the rpm db. However, since this problem 
happened on two machines
I find it unusual to have the same issue in the two databases.

[later] following a vague memory of looking into it before, I looked at an old 
package
tux.x86_64  3.2.18-9.fc6  @System

and then

$ rpm -V tux.x86_64
error: Verifying a signature using certificate 
CAB44B996F27744E86127CDFB44269D04F2A6FD2 (Fedora Project ):
  Key B44269D04F2A6FD2 invalid: not signing capable
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h#  61
Header V3 DSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 4f2a6fd2: BAD
Header SHA1 digest: OK
package tux.x86_64 is not installed

Is it related?? Why the error showing now?

TIA

=
Running transaction check
error: Verifying a signature using certificate 
CAB44B996F27744E86127CDFB44269D04F2A6FD2 (Fedora Project ):
  Key B44269D04F2A6FD2 invalid: not signing capable
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h#  61
Header V3 DSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 4f2a6fd2: BAD
Header SHA1 digest: OK
Transaction check succeeded.
=

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Re: auto update across releases question

2023-09-14 Thread Barry


> On 13 Sep 2023, at 21:47, ToddAndMargo via users 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Can auto updates be set to also update to
> the current release when it comes out?

No.

You have to decide to do a system-upgrade.

Of course you could use a management system to automate this.

I run a range of fedora systems and before I do the upgrade to the next
version I do a sanity check that each will boot the new system.
I use a usb-3 ssd to do this that has the new system installed.

Barry

> 
> Many thanks,
> -T
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