Re: Risc-v computer with Fedora on it?

2024-06-22 Thread Ryan Bach via users
So far I have found: https://milkv.io/pioneer but it isn't cheap
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Re: Risc-v computer with Fedora on it?

2024-06-22 Thread Geoffrey Leach
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 04:33:46 -
Ryan Bach via users  wrote:

> > On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 01:44:18 -
> > Ryan Bach via users  > 
> > 
> > It's not clear which "this" you're referring to, but, FWIW,
> > Framework has announced a development-level risc-v mainboard from
> > DeepComputing. As Fedora40 is one of their supported environments,
> > I would expect that it will be available there, in due course.
> > 
> > https://frame.work/products/deep-computing-risc-v-mainboard  
> Any idea on the cost?
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conventional boards. Should give an indication.
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Re: Risc-v computer with Fedora on it?

2024-06-22 Thread Ryan Bach via users
Waiting for a Desktop equivalent, good info. 
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Re: Risc-v computer with Fedora on it?

2024-06-22 Thread Ryan Bach via users
> On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 01:44:18 -
> Ryan Bach via users  
> 
> It's not clear which "this" you're referring to, but, FWIW, Framework
> has announced a development-level risc-v mainboard from DeepComputing.
> As Fedora40 is one of their supported environments, I would expect that
> it will be available there, in due course.
> 
> https://frame.work/products/deep-computing-risc-v-mainboard
Any idea on the cost?
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Re: Risc-v computer with Fedora on it?

2024-06-22 Thread Philip Rhoades via users

Geoffrey,


On 2024-06-23 14:02, Geoffrey Leach wrote:

On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 01:44:18 -
Ryan Bach via users  wrote:


I can't wait until this is real.
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It's not clear which "this" you're referring to, but, FWIW, Framework
has announced a development-level risc-v mainboard from DeepComputing.
As Fedora40 is one of their supported environments, I would expect that
it will be available there, in due course.

https://frame.work/products/deep-computing-risc-v-mainboard



Yes, I think this will replace my old ZenBook (which has always been 
used for Fedora anyway).


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Re: Risc-v computer with Fedora on it?

2024-06-22 Thread Geoffrey Leach
On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 01:44:18 -
Ryan Bach via users  wrote:

> I can't wait until this is real.
> --

It's not clear which "this" you're referring to, but, FWIW, Framework
has announced a development-level risc-v mainboard from DeepComputing.
As Fedora40 is one of their supported environments, I would expect that
it will be available there, in due course.

https://frame.work/products/deep-computing-risc-v-mainboard
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Re: Firefox foul ups

2024-06-22 Thread home user

On 6/22/24 9:57 AM, home user wrote:

On 6/22/24 9:16 AM, Steve Underwood wrote:

Is anyone else having problems with Firefox on FC39 with XFCE recently? After 
rock solid operation for a long time, in the last 2 or 3 weeks the UI has been 
fouling up every day or two when I do some seemingly mundane operation in 
Firefox. A couple of times Firefox has crashed after a few seconds. The foul 
ups sometimes only affect the Firefox windows, and other windows still work OK. 
Sometimes the whole desktop fouls up, and I have to switch to a text only 
screen and kill Firefox. That restores normal desktop operation for all the 
other windows.

Steve


I don't know if it's related or not, but yesterday evening on my workstation (f39, gnome) Firefox 
was maxing out one cpu for minutes.  I exited Firefox.  The maxing out of a cpu continued.  
ksysguard showed a Firefox process at the top of the process list (sorted by cpu usage), even long 
after exiting Firefox.  I had to kill that process manually.  This all repeated a second time.  
Also curious, I saw a several processes with names containing "akonadi" and strings 
relating to e-mail/calendar.  After exiting Firefox again and exiting Thunderbird, the maxing out 
of a cpu stopped and has not since recurred, though I see 19 different akonadi processes now in a 
"ps" output.  Firefox is the only browser I use, and Thunderbird is the only e-mail 
client and calendar that I use.  I do not access e-mail via browser.

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Re: Kernel 6.9.5-200.fc40 throws me into grub prompt on reboot

2024-06-22 Thread Frank Bures

On 2024-06-22 20:59, Frank Bures wrote:

Hi,

I just did a kernel update and after reboot I ended up in a grub prompt.

I booted from USB F40 and followed instructions at

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/grub2-bootloader/#_restoring_the_bootloader_using_the_live_disk

However, whatever I did I was not able to successfully boot.  I spent hours 
trying to figure it out before trying to boot to the old 6.9.4-200 kernel 
from the dreaded grub prompt and voila, the system happily came on.


My question now is:  How to restore my grub2 reliably so that I would not 
have to go through all these hoops again after next reboot.


This is what my efibootmgr returns:

root@ryzen:/# efibootmgr
BootCurrent: 0002
Timeout: 1 seconds
BootOrder: 0002,,0001
Boot  Fedora 
HD(1,GPT,e8838c34-c364-4347-afb7-1c516782b114,0x800,0x12c000)/\EFI\FEDORA\SHIMX64.EFI
Boot0001  Fedora 
HD(1,GPT,e8838c34-c364-4347-afb7-1c516782b114,0x800,0x12c000)/\EFI\FEDORA\SHIM.EFI424f
Boot0002* Fedora 
HD(1,GPT,e8838c34-c364-4347-afb7-1c516782b114,0x800,0x1f4000)/\EFI\FEDORA\SHIM.EFI424f


I have no idea where the *424f files came from or why one of them has the 
highest priority.


Frank



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Re: Risc-v computer with Fedora on it?

2024-06-22 Thread Philip Rhoades via users

Ryan,


On 2024-06-23 11:44, Ryan Bach via users wrote:

I can't wait until this is real.



Me too!

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Risc-v computer with Fedora on it?

2024-06-22 Thread Ryan Bach via users
I can't wait until this is real.
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Kernel 6.9.5-200.fc40 throws me into grub prompt on reboot

2024-06-22 Thread Frank Bures

Hi,

I just did a kernel update and after reboot I ended up in a grub prompt.

I booted from USB F40 and followed instructions at

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/grub2-bootloader/#_restoring_the_bootloader_using_the_live_disk

However, whatever I did I was not able to successfully boot.  I spent hours 
trying to figure it out before trying to boot to the old 6.9.4-200 kernel 
from the dreaded grub prompt and voila, the system happily came on.


My question now is:  How to restore my grub2 reliably so that I would not 
have to go through all these hoops again after next reboot.


Any pointer would be gratefully appreciated :-)

Cheers
Frank



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Re: crond

2024-06-22 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Tim  said:
> On Sat, 2024-06-22 at 23:02 +0200, Patrick Dupre via users wrote:
> > Even if I remove the x right ?
> 
> That kind of thing will always depend on how a script is handled.

They do need to be executable for run-parts to run them.  There are a
handful of filenames that are skipped though:

*~
*,
*.cfsaved
*.rpmsave
*.rpmorig
*.rpmnew
*.swp
*,v

If you want to make a backup but not have extra runs, use something like
"foo.save~".
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Re: Firefox foul ups

2024-06-22 Thread richard emberson

Starting about 2 or 3 months ago, I started to 1) uses multiple Firefox 
profiles and 2) after using one of the profiles, exiting Firefox.
I have one profile where I do all my non-anonymous interactions (sites were I 
do not want to clear particular cookies
after each interactions) and the a couple other profiles (news sites; quick 
lookup/one or two tabs/single purpose; information
(web sites I've not finished looking at)). For "non-anonymous" profile, I every 
day or so remove all data associated with
all but a few selected sites. For all the "anonymous" profiles I do a 
shift-ctl-delete prior to exiting and remove all data.

For the past year? or so I had issues with (KDE) Wayland (new Wayland user): 
freezing, high cpu usages, etc. It turned out that all
the issues went away if I used Firefox sparingly: never let it run when I was 
not using it and clearing it all the time.
I also do a:
ps auxwww | grep firefox
maybe once a day just to make sure there is no Firefox process running in the 
background.

Richard

On 6/22/24 8:16 AM, Steve Underwood wrote:

Is anyone else having problems with Firefox on FC39 with XFCE recently? After 
rock solid operation for a long time, in the last 2 or 3 weeks the UI has been 
fouling up every day or two when I do some seemingly mundane operation in 
Firefox. A couple of times Firefox has crashed after a few seconds. The foul 
ups sometimes only affect the Firefox windows, and other windows still work OK. 
Sometimes the whole desktop fouls up, and I have to switch to a text only 
screen and kill Firefox. That restores normal desktop operation for all the 
other windows.

Steve

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Re: Firefox foul ups

2024-06-22 Thread Tim via users
On Sat, 2024-06-22 at 15:57 -0300, George N. White III wrote:
> I generally keep the number external sites connected at one time to a single 
> digit.
> I use No Script, and notice that, for many sites, the list of 3rd party sites 
> I have to 
> "temporarily trust" to make the site usable has grown to the point where I 
> need to 
> scroll down to see the full list.   We need to a list "resource hog" sites to 
> steer 
> people away from sites that are causing memory issues.

Unfortunately, it's the way people create websites, these days.  They
don't code them themselves, they incorporate scripts from a dozen other
websites.  Things they have no idea about, and no control over.

Trying to research something to buy, say a desklamp (i.e. nothing
special, at all), entails browsing dozens of sites that don't work if
you don't allow this jumble.

There's gallery scripts, comparison scripts, shopping cart scripts,
advertising scripts, tracking scripts...

I get peeved at banking sites that do that crap.  Firstly, they should
just stick to one job (such as letting you manage your personal
finances), steering completely away from advertising crap at you. 
Secondly, every third-party thing they add to their website is a
potential vector for a security breach.  You would think that banks, of
all services, might recognise that.

Also, it's *my* money that they're using to fund everything they do
(and every other account holder).  We should be being paid interest,
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Re: crond

2024-06-22 Thread Tim via users
On Sat, 2024-06-22 at 23:02 +0200, Patrick Dupre via users wrote:
> Even if I remove the x right ?

That kind of thing will always depend on how a script is handled.

If it's run directly by a shell, then the shell *may* care about
eXecute bit.  Likewise, if its *run* by a handler.  But if it's
essentially a *configuration* for some handler, it's probably ignored.

You can always test this.  Put a test script into cron.hourly without
the X bit set, and see if it runs.  I'd always prefer to test things
like this than take someone else's word for it.  Sometimes even man
files may lead you up the garden path.

If you have configuration scripts you want to keep, but want disabled,
it's safer (more predictable) to store them somewhere else than where
they're normally accessed.

You could move them into a /etc/cron.weekly.disabled/ directory.
 
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Re: crond

2024-06-22 Thread Patrick Dupre via users

> Subject: Re: crond
>
> On Jun 22, 2024, at 10:34, Patrick Dupre via users 
>  wrote:
> > 
> > ls -la /etc/cron.weekly/
> > 
> > drwxr-xr-x.   2 root root  4096 Jun 22 16:14 .
> > drwxr-xr-x. 248 root root 20480 Jun 22 16:04 ..
> > -rwxr-xr-x.   1 root root  1685 Jun  8 16:17 backup3
> > -rwxr-xr-x.   1 root root  3563 Jun  8 16:36 backup.cron
> > -rwxr-xr-x.   1 root root  3561 Jun  6 22:55 backup.cron.saved
> > 
> > 
> > Good, it seems that (during the update?), a backup.cron.saved has been 
> > created.
> > I guess that I can just moved to backup.cron_saved
> 
> The Cron daemon will not modify those files, and that’s not the naming suffix 
> that RPM updates will create, which would only happen if the file was a 
> package anyway.  You had to have created that file. Perhaps you forgot?
> 
> Also, renaming it to yet another suffix will not stop it from running along 
> side the backup.cron.  You need to remove it from the directory to get it to 
> stop executing a second cron job.


Even if I remove the x right ?


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Re: crond

2024-06-22 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Jun 22, 2024, at 10:34, Patrick Dupre via users 
 wrote:
> 
> ls -la /etc/cron.weekly/
> 
> drwxr-xr-x.   2 root root  4096 Jun 22 16:14 .
> drwxr-xr-x. 248 root root 20480 Jun 22 16:04 ..
> -rwxr-xr-x.   1 root root  1685 Jun  8 16:17 backup3
> -rwxr-xr-x.   1 root root  3563 Jun  8 16:36 backup.cron
> -rwxr-xr-x.   1 root root  3561 Jun  6 22:55 backup.cron.saved
> 
> 
> Good, it seems that (during the update?), a backup.cron.saved has been 
> created.
> I guess that I can just moved to backup.cron_saved

The Cron daemon will not modify those files, and that’s not the naming suffix 
that RPM updates will create, which would only happen if the file was a package 
anyway.  You had to have created that file. Perhaps you forgot?

Also, renaming it to yet another suffix will not stop it from running along 
side the backup.cron.  You need to remove it from the directory to get it to 
stop executing a second cron job.

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Re: Firefox foul ups

2024-06-22 Thread George N. White III
On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 1:44 PM Roger Heflin  wrote:

> [...]
>
The websites causing the ram issue were the same on both Windows and
> Linux.
>

I generally keep the number external sites connected at one time to a
single digit.
I use No Script, and notice that, for many sites, the list of 3rd party
sites I have to
"temporarily trust" to make the site usable has grown to the point where I
need to
scroll down to see the full list.   We need to a list "resource hog" sites
to steer
people away from sites that are causing memory issues.

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Re: Firefox foul ups

2024-06-22 Thread Roger Heflin
Steve's problem sounds like a Xorg/Wayland graphics issue/bug that
firefox somehow triggers.

My firefox has acted off for a while.  Typically is it seems to get
bogged down using a lot of ram (2-10GB for at least one firefox
process), but more recently I don't see the big memory usage but it
seems to go cpu bound and non-responsive in some tabs (reddit
usually).On the high ram usage killing the specific process in
about:performance fixes that, but the only fix for the cpu
bound/nonresponding seems to be to exit all of firefox and restart.

Firefox needs to stop working on new features and simply get it
stable.  And I had most of the exact same issues on windows 11, so
this is not a code issue specific to Linux.  I have multiple web sites
that seem to be able to make one or more tabs consume GB's of ram. The
websites causing the ram issue were the same on both Windows and
Linux.

On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 10:58 AM home user  wrote:
>
> On 6/22/24 9:16 AM, Steve Underwood wrote:
> > Is anyone else having problems with Firefox on FC39 with XFCE recently? 
> > After rock solid operation for a long time, in the last 2 or 3 weeks the UI 
> > has been fouling up every day or two when I do some seemingly mundane 
> > operation in Firefox. A couple of times Firefox has crashed after a few 
> > seconds. The foul ups sometimes only affect the Firefox windows, and other 
> > windows still work OK. Sometimes the whole desktop fouls up, and I have to 
> > switch to a text only screen and kill Firefox. That restores normal desktop 
> > operation for all the other windows.
> >
> > Steve
>
> I don't know if it's related or not, but yesterday evening on my workstation 
> (f39, gnome) Firefox was maxing out one cpu for minutes.  I exited Firefox.  
> The maxing out of a cpu continued.  ksysguard showed a Firefox process at the 
> top of the process list (sorted by cpu usage), even long after exiting 
> Firefox.  I had to kill that process manually.  This all repeated a second 
> time.  Also curious, I saw a several processes with names containing 
> "akonadi" and strings relating to e-mail/calendar.  After exiting Firefox 
> again and exiting Thunderbird, the maxing out of a cpu stopped and has not 
> since recurred, though I see 19 different akonadi processes now in a "ps" 
> output.  Firefox is the only browser I use, and Thunderbird is the only 
> e-mail client and calendar that I use.  I do not access e-mail via browser.
>
> Are my problems and Steve's related and/or connected?
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Re: Firefox foul ups

2024-06-22 Thread home user

On 6/22/24 9:16 AM, Steve Underwood wrote:

Is anyone else having problems with Firefox on FC39 with XFCE recently? After 
rock solid operation for a long time, in the last 2 or 3 weeks the UI has been 
fouling up every day or two when I do some seemingly mundane operation in 
Firefox. A couple of times Firefox has crashed after a few seconds. The foul 
ups sometimes only affect the Firefox windows, and other windows still work OK. 
Sometimes the whole desktop fouls up, and I have to switch to a text only 
screen and kill Firefox. That restores normal desktop operation for all the 
other windows.

Steve


I don't know if it's related or not, but yesterday evening on my workstation (f39, gnome) Firefox 
was maxing out one cpu for minutes.  I exited Firefox.  The maxing out of a cpu continued.  
ksysguard showed a Firefox process at the top of the process list (sorted by cpu usage), even long 
after exiting Firefox.  I had to kill that process manually.  This all repeated a second time.  
Also curious, I saw a several processes with names containing "akonadi" and strings 
relating to e-mail/calendar.  After exiting Firefox again and exiting Thunderbird, the maxing out 
of a cpu stopped and has not since recurred, though I see 19 different akonadi processes now in a 
"ps" output.  Firefox is the only browser I use, and Thunderbird is the only e-mail 
client and calendar that I use.  I do not access e-mail via browser.

Are my problems and Steve's related and/or connected?
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Firefox foul ups

2024-06-22 Thread Steve Underwood
Is anyone else having problems with Firefox on FC39 with XFCE recently? 
After rock solid operation for a long time, in the last 2 or 3 weeks the 
UI has been fouling up every day or two when I do some seemingly mundane 
operation in Firefox. A couple of times Firefox has crashed after a few 
seconds. The foul ups sometimes only affect the Firefox windows, and 
other windows still work OK. Sometimes the whole desktop fouls up, and I 
have to switch to a text only screen and kill Firefox. That restores 
normal desktop operation for all the other windows.


Steve

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Re: crond

2024-06-22 Thread Patrick Dupre via users
ls -la /etc/cron.weekly/

drwxr-xr-x.   2 root root  4096 Jun 22 16:14 .
drwxr-xr-x. 248 root root 20480 Jun 22 16:04 ..
-rwxr-xr-x.   1 root root  1685 Jun  8 16:17 backup3
-rwxr-xr-x.   1 root root  3563 Jun  8 16:36 backup.cron
-rwxr-xr-x.   1 root root  3561 Jun  6 22:55 backup.cron.saved


Good, it seems that (during the update?), a backup.cron.saved has been created.
I guess that I can just moved to backup.cron_saved


> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2024 at 4:25 PM
> From: "Doug Herr" 
> To: "Fedora Users" 
> Cc: "Patrick Dupre" 
> Subject: Re: crond
>
> On Sat, Jun 22, 2024, at 7:17 AM, Patrick Dupre via users wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have a backup launched by cron.weekly
> > However, since F40, after it has run a first time and ended, another backup
> > is started. This messed up the backup.
> >
> > When starting, the first crond
> > sent
> > (ps -aux | grep -i backup | mail -s Backup root@localhost.localdomain)
> > root   19672  0.0  0.0 228476  3136 ?S12:29   0:00
> > /bin/sh /etc/cron.weekly/backup.cron
> [snip]
> > and the second one
> >
> > root   29787  0.0  0.0 228476  3260 ?S14:55   0:00
> > /bin/sh /etc/cron.weekly/backup.cron.saved
>
>
> If you run:
>
> ls -la /etc/cron.weekly/
>
> I think you will find a "regular" and a ".saved" copy of your cron script.
>
>
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Re: crond

2024-06-22 Thread Doug Herr
On Sat, Jun 22, 2024, at 7:17 AM, Patrick Dupre via users wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have a backup launched by cron.weekly
> However, since F40, after it has run a first time and ended, another backup
> is started. This messed up the backup.
>
> When starting, the first crond
> sent
> (ps -aux | grep -i backup | mail -s Backup root@localhost.localdomain)
> root   19672  0.0  0.0 228476  3136 ?S12:29   0:00 
> /bin/sh /etc/cron.weekly/backup.cron
[snip]
> and the second one
>
> root   29787  0.0  0.0 228476  3260 ?S14:55   0:00 
> /bin/sh /etc/cron.weekly/backup.cron.saved


If you run:

ls -la /etc/cron.weekly/

I think you will find a "regular" and a ".saved" copy of your cron script.
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crond

2024-06-22 Thread Patrick Dupre via users
Hello,

I have a backup launched by cron.weekly
However, since F40, after it has run a first time and ended, another backup
is started. This messed up the backup.

When starting, the first crond
sent
(ps -aux | grep -i backup | mail -s Backup root@localhost.localdomain)
root   19672  0.0  0.0 228476  3136 ?S12:29   0:00 /bin/sh 
/etc/cron.weekly/backup.cron
root   19673  0.0  0.0 227904  2248 ?S12:29   0:00 sed 1i\ 
/etc/cron.weekly/backup.cron:\ 
root   19683  0.0  0.0 227752  2276 ?S12:30   0:00 grep -i 
backup
root   19684  0.0  0.0 238028  5352 ?S12:30   0:00 mail -s 
Backup root@localhost.localdomain

and at thz end

backup ended at Sat Jun 22 02:55:58 PM CEST 2024 /dev/sda10, /dev/sdb8 and 
/dev/sdc6 OK
and the second one

root   29787  0.0  0.0 228476  3260 ?S14:55   0:00 /bin/sh 
/etc/cron.weekly/backup.cron.saved
root   29788  0.0  0.0 227904  2176 ?S14:55   0:00 sed 1i\ 
/etc/cron.weekly/backup.cron.saved:\ 
root   29798  0.0  0.0 227752  2208 ?S14:55   0:00 grep -i 
backup
root   29799  0.0  0.0 238028  5428 ?S14:55   0:00 mail -s 
Backup root@localhost.localdomain



Here is the /etc/crontab
SHELL=/bin/bash
PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin
MAILTO=root

# For details see man 4 crontabs

# Example of job definition:
# . minute (0 - 59)
# |  .- hour (0 - 23)
# |  |  .-- day of month (1 - 31)
# |  |  |  .--- month (1 - 12) OR jan,feb,mar,apr ...
# |  |  |  |  . day of week (0 - 6) (Sunday=0 or 7) OR 
sun,mon,tue,wed,thu,fri,sat
# |  |  |  |  |
# *  *  *  *  * user-name  command to be executed
#22 23 * * * root run-parts /etc/cron.daily
#30 12 * * 3,6 root run-parts /etc/cron.weekly
30 12 * * 6 root run-parts /etc/cron.weekly
# cron.weekly is actually run by anacron
#*/12 * * * * /home/root/bin/periodic.sh


and the 
/etc/anacrontab
# See anacron(8) and anacrontab(5) for details.

SHELL=/bin/sh
PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin
MAILTO=root
# the maximal random delay added to the base delay of the jobs
RANDOM_DELAY=35
# the jobs will be started during the following hours only
START_HOURS_RANGE=3-22

#period in days   delay in minutes   job-identifier   command
1   5   cron.daily  nice run-parts /etc/cron.daily
#7  25  cron.weekly nice run-parts /etc/cron.weekly
@monthly 45 cron.monthlynice run-parts /etc/cron.monthly



Is there a conflict between cron and anacron ?

This machine is turned on and off  usually on a daily basis, but not necessary.

Thank for your lights


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Re: Fedora F40 Won't Power Off

2024-06-22 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2024-06-22 at 11:06 +1000, Stephen Morris wrote:
> > I use Evolution rather than Tbird, but sending in HTML with a plain
> > text alternative is fine.
> Thanks Patrick, I thought that was what the auto setting was supposed
> to 
> be doing, were you not seeing that?
> 

It seemed to be off in a couple of messages, which is why I commented,
but I am seeing most of them.

poc
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