Missing icons in Fedora 14 Xfce

[Christoph Wickert]

Hello world,

as you may already have noticed there are a lot of missing icons in the
Xfce desktop on Fedora 14.

The reason is that we are using gnome-icon-theme by default and it
switched to the 'new' XDG icon naming spec [1] a while back. In Fedora
13 GNOME had a lot of missing icons too and therefor the icon theme
included a lot of symlinks for backwards compatibility. These were now
removed.

We feel that following the XDG naming spec is the only way to go,
otherwise you cannot choose your icon theme freely but are stuck with
the outdated xfce4-icon-theme (no update since Xfce 4.4.something).

In order to move to the new icon spec we need your help. Please help us
to finding missing icons. So far we have identified:
  * Thunar and xfce4-places-plugin lack the 'Trash' icons, see 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=647734
An update is available at
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/Thunar-1.0.2-4.fc14
  * thunar-volman, both in the menu ('Removable Drives and Media')
and the preferences dialog. Update at
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/thunar-volman-0.3.80-5.fc14
  * xfce4-panel in the "Add new launcher" dialog
  * Thunar:
  * Main menu -> Preferences -> File manager
  * Thunar's Copy/Move progress dialog
  * Lots of mime types missing
  * xfdesktop: Left click on an image -> "Set as wallpaper"

Please report any missing icons you spot in F14 Xfce. Use the mailing
lists or Bugzilla at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=650504

Sorry for the inconvenience,
Christoph

[1]
http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html


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Re: Missing icons in Fedora 14 Xfce

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Sonntag, den 07.11.2010, 13:26 +0100 schrieb Christoph Wickert:
> Hello world,
> 
> as you may already have noticed there are a lot of missing icons in the
> Xfce desktop on Fedora 14.
> 
> The reason is that we are using gnome-icon-theme by default and it
> switched to the 'new' XDG icon naming spec [1] a while back. In Fedora
> 13 GNOME had a lot of missing icons too and therefor the icon theme
> included a lot of symlinks for backwards compatibility. These were now
> removed.

Instead of fixing all packages individually, we suggest you install the
gnome-icon-theme-legacy package to get the symlinks back. I have just
pushed an Update for libxfcegui4 that will pull in the additional
package.

If you see any missing icons in the meantime, please report them to us.
We want to help Xfce upstream to fix everything in time for Xfce 4.8,
which will be included in Fedora 15.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Regards,
Christoph

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Re: Final release of RHEL 6

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Donnerstag, den 02.12.2010, 18:33 +0530 schrieb Jatin K:

> may be it means Centos 6 will be released soon ... is it ?

You can follow the latest updates at http://twitter.com/centos

Regards,
Christoph

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Re: enabling Bluetooth in Fedora

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Montag, den 20.12.2010, 18:29 -0600 schrieb Ranjan Maitra:
> On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 18:18:32 -0600 Rick Stevens  wrote:
> 
> > On 12/20/2010 03:46 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> > > I am a complete novice in this so pardon the naivete of the question. I
> > > was wondering if there is an easy way to enable Bluetooth in F14. I
> > > have a Thinkpad T61 and a Dell Latitude 5400 laptop apiece, and my hope
> > > is to use the Bluetooth to use my GPRS phone as well as wireless mobile
> > > while I am traveling. The providers do not seem to be excited about
> > > Linux support.
> > 
> > If you had a bluetooth dongle or something in your system when you
> > installed, it should already be enabled.  If you're using Gnome, look in
> > the right third of the top menu bar and you should see a bluetooth
> > symbol.  Right click on it and you can set things up.
> > ---
> 
> Thanks, Rick. I have been using LXDE: any suggestions on that? I will
> also post this to the LXDE Fedora mailing list to see if someone there
> has suggestions.

LXDE does not yet have a bluetooth program but you can install
gnome-bluetooth and it works just fine as Rick described. Make sure the
gnome-bluetooth-applet is enabled in lxsession-edit so it gets loaded
when you login to LXDE. Then click on the icon, add your mobile and
follow the wizard. At the end it will ask you if you want to use your
mobile for dial-up and then start the wizard of network-manager.

Regards,
Christoph


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Re: terminal bell pc speaker

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Mittwoch, den 05.01.2011, 10:30 -0600 schrieb Chris Adams:
> Once upon a time, Mike Zingale  said:
> > Hi, I just installed Fedora 14 on my machine.  There is no beep
> > through the pc speaker from terminal events.  This worked previously
> > in Fedora 10 on this machine.  I tried loading the pcspkr module, but
> > that did not fix the problem.  Any ideas on how to get the terminal
> > bell/pc speaker working?
> 
> AFAIK there is no way to get the PC speaker to beep anymore in X; the
> PulseAudio author decided nobody should use that anymore. 

.. but nevertheless for those who still want it, he provided a module
that can be installed with 

# yum install pulseaudio-module-x11

to get the old behavior back.

Regards,
Christoph

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Re: LXDM themes?

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Dienstag, den 22.03.2011, 10:42 -0600 schrieb Jake Peavy:
> hey all,
> 
> I recently installed the LXDE spin of F14 and the login screen is
> hideous.  I've done a bunch of Googling but haven't found much
> constructive on other themes other than Industrial.
> 
> I don't know much about LXDM, can someone point me in the right
> direction?  I just want a very basic login screen, with no bubble
> writing and a solid background, although I do like being able to
> choose username from the list.

I am not aware of any LXDM themes other than Industrial and the one that
Ubuntu ships. I am thinking about to do a Fedora one for F-15.

Theming LXDM is pretty easy. You can set the wallpaper
in /etc/lxdm.conf. The themes itself are glade files, you can edit them
with glade3.Take /usr/share/lxdm/themes/Industrial/greeter.ui as a
starting point.

Regards,
Christoph

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Re: installing gnome-bluetooth on LXDE spin brings in host of packages

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Samstag, den 30.04.2011, 07:49 -0500 schrieb Ranjan Maitra:
> Hi,
> 
> I am running the LXDE spin with a host of other packages and I tried to
> bring in gnome-bluetooth. 
> 
> %sudo yum install gnome-bluetooth
> Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit, remove-
>   : with-leaves
> Adding en_US to language list
> Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
>  * fedora: fedora.mirror.iweb.ca
>  * rpmfusion-free: mirror.hiwaay.net
>  * rpmfusion-free-updates: mirror.hiwaay.net
>  * updates: fedora.mirror.iweb.ca
> Setting up Install Process
> Resolving Dependencies
> --> Running transaction check
> ---> Package gnome-bluetooth.x86_64 1:2.32.0-1.fc14 set to be installed
> --> Processing Dependency: bluez >= 4.42 for package: 
> 1:gnome-bluetooth-2.32.0-1.fc14.x86_64
> --> Processing Dependency: control-center for package: 
> 1:gnome-bluetooth-2.32.0-1.fc14.x86_64
> --> Processing Dependency: obexd for package: 
> 1:gnome-bluetooth-2.32.0-1.fc14.x86_64
> --> Processing Dependency: gvfs-obexftp for package: 
> 1:gnome-bluetooth-2.32.0-1.fc14.x86_64
> --> Processing Dependency: pulseaudio-module-bluetooth for package: 
> 1:gnome-bluetooth-2.32.0-1.fc14.x86_64
> --> Running transaction check
> ---> Package bluez.x86_64 0:4.77-1.fc14 set to be installed
> ---> Package control-center.x86_64 1:2.32.0-1.fc14 set to be installed
> --> Processing Dependency: control-center-filesystem = 1:2.32.0-1.fc14 for 
> package: 1:control-center-2.32.0-1.fc14.x86_64
> --> Processing Dependency: gnome-settings-daemon >= 2.21.91-3 for package: 
> 1:control-center-2.32.0-1.fc14.x86_64
> --> Processing Dependency: gnome-desktop >= 2.30 for package: 
> 1:control-center-2.32.0-1.fc14.x86_64
> --> Processing Dependency: fprintd for package: 
> 1:control-center-2.32.0-1.fc14.x86_64
> --> Processing Dependency: libgnome-desktop-2.so.17()(64bit) for package: 
> 1:control-center-2.32.0-1.fc14.x86_64
> --> Processing Dependency: libgnomekbdui.so.4()(64bit) for package: 
> 1:control-center-2.32.0-1.fc14.x86_64
> --> Processing Dependency: libgnomekbd.so.4()(64bit) for package: 
> 1:control-center-2.32.0-1.fc14.x86_64
> --> Processing Dependency: libebook-1.2.so.10()(64bit) for package: 
> 1:control-center-2.32.0-1.fc14.x86_64
> --> Processing Dependency: libxklavier.so.16()(64bit) for package: 
> 1:control-center-2.32.0-1.fc14.x86_64
> --> Processing Dependency: libmetacity-private.so.0()(64bit) for package: 
> 1:control-center-2.32.0-1.fc14.x86_64
> ---> Package gvfs-obexftp.x86_64 0:1.6.6-1.fc14 set to be installed
> --> Processing Dependency: obex-data-server >= 0.3.4-6 for package: 
> gvfs-obexftp-1.6.6-1.fc14.x86_64
> ---> Package obexd.x86_64 0:0.29-1.fc14 set to be installed
> ---> Package pulseaudio-module-bluetooth.x86_64 0:0.9.21-7.fc14 set to be 
> installed
> --> Processing Dependency: pulseaudio = 0.9.21-7.fc14 for package: 
> pulseaudio-module-bluetooth-0.9.21-7.fc14.x86_64
> --> Processing Dependency: libpulsecore-0.9.21.so()(64bit) for package: 
> pulseaudio-module-bluetooth-0.9.21-7.fc14.x86_64
> --> Running transaction check
> ---> Package control-center-filesystem.x86_64 1:2.32.0-1.fc14 set to be 
> installed
> ---> Package evolution-data-server.x86_64 0:2.32.2-1.fc14 set to be installed
> --> Processing Dependency: libgweather.so.1()(64bit) for package: 
> evolution-data-server-2.32.2-1.fc14.x86_64
> --> Processing Dependency: libgdata.so.7()(64bit) for package: 
> evolution-data-server-2.32.2-1.fc14.x86_64
> ---> Package fprintd.x86_64 0:0.2.0-2.fc14 set to be installed
> --> Processing Dependency: libfprint.so.0()(64bit) for package: 
> fprintd-0.2.0-2.fc14.x86_64
> ---> Package gnome-desktop.x86_64 0:2.32.0-2.fc14 set to be installed
> --> Processing Dependency: system-backgrounds-gnome for package: 
> gnome-desktop-2.32.0-2.fc14.x86_64
> ---> Package gnome-settings-daemon.x86_64 0:2.32.1-1.fc14 set to be installed
> --> Processing Dependency: libpulse-mainloop-glib.so.0(PULSE_0)(64bit) for 
> package: gnome-settings-daemon-2.32.1-1.fc14.x86_64
> --> Processing Dependency: libpulse-mainloop-glib.so.0()(64bit) for package: 
> gnome-settings-daemon-2.32.1-1.fc14.x86_64
> ---> Package libgnomekbd.x86_64 0:2.32.0-1.fc14 set to be installed
> ---> Package libxklavier.x86_64 0:5.0-1.fc13 set to be installed
> ---> Package metacity.x86_64 0:2.30.3-1.fc14 set to be installed
> ---> Package obex-data-server.x86_64 1:0.4.5-1.fc13 set to be installed
> ---> Package pulseaudio.x86_64 0:0.9.21-7.fc14 set to be installed
> --> Running transaction check
> ---> Package laughlin-backgrounds-gnome.noarch 0:14.1.0-1.fc14 set to be 
> installed
> ---> Package libfprint.x86_64 0:0.3.0-1.fc14 set to be installed
> ---> Package libgdata.x86_64 0:0.6.4-4.fc14 set to be installed
> ---> Package libgweather.x86_64 0:2.30.3-1.fc14 set to be installed
> ---> Package pulseaudio-libs-glib2.x86_64 0:0.9.21-7.fc14 set to be installed
> --> Finished Dependency Resolution
> 
> Dependencies Resolved
> 
> =

Re: Yum update from Fedora 14 -> 15 WARNING!

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Montag, den 30.05.2011, 09:11 +0100 schrieb n2xssvv.g02gfr12930:
> To anyone trying to upgrade from Fedora 14 to Fedora 15, DON'T EVEN
> TRY!!!

After reading this thread I still don't know what exactly you did to
upgrade your system. Can you please give us more details ? What commands
did you run and what repos were enabled?

This is what I did yesterday:

# rpm -Uvh \
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/15/Fedora/x86_64/os/Packages/fedora-release-15-1.noarch.rpm
 \
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/15/Fedora/x86_64/os/Packages/fedora-release-rawhide-15-1.noarch.rpm
# yum clean all
# yum update yum
# yum --releasever=15 distro-sync
# reboot

Worked like a charm. Next time, please follow the instructions from the
wiki, namely http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq and
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq#Fedora_14_-.3E_Fedora_15

Regards,
Christoph

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Re: Why is xfconfd running?

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Sonntag, den 05.06.2011, 13:59 -0400 schrieb Tom Horsley:
> I just switched my system to use fedora 15 by default
> with my custom X session that runs fvwm and (mostly) saves
> me from the incessant changes of gnome and kde.
> 
> Almost as soon as I'd started my first login session
> I got a popup identifying itself as some xfce program
> and telling me updates were available.
> 
> Running ps, I find I'm running /usr/lib64/xfce4/xfconf/xfconfd,
> which I certainly didn't start with any kind of deliberate
> action. I find a org.xfce.Xfconf.service file defined
> among the /usr/share/dbus-1/services/, but I thought that
> stuff only started on request (there are about 90 services
> defined in there, and xfconfd is the only one I find running).
> 
> Who the devil would have requested that this service start?

xfce4-notifyd

it gets installed if something needs a notification-daemon (e.g.
firefox).

Regards,
Christoph

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Re: sylpheed plugins for F16

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Samstag, den 28.01.2012, 11:27 +0100 schrieb Michael Schwendt:
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 23:24:38 -0600, RM (Ranjan) wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I have a question with regard to the sylpheed installation in F16. I
> > was wondering where the plugins are? (Specifically, the  According to
> > the source file, the plugins are to be installed by make install-plugin,
> > however the created .so file(s) do not appear to be there. Does that
> > mean that the rpm was created without using this? If so, is this
> > something that should be bugzilla'd?
> 
> That could be true. You seem to be familiar enough with Sylpheed
> to file a bug report: http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/sylpheed
> 
> In the build log found here,
>   http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=262597
> one can observe how it builds an "attachment_tool.so" plugin, but
> doesn't install it during "make install". Further, on x86_64 it builds
> the plugin with -DPLUGINDIR=\""/usr/lib/sylpheed/plugins"\  which
> isn't correct. The plugin directory entry is not included in the
> package either. If a separate "make install-plugin" is needed, that
> could be a packaging bug indeed.

Good catch, Michael!

I know I had looked into this earlier but decided to not do it because
by that time there only was the 'test' plugin.

I have issued an update with plugins now. Find it at
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/sylpheed-3.2.0-0.3.beta5.fc16

Regards,
Christoph


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Re: selinux is a pain

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Dienstag, den 20.09.2011, 08:14 -0300 schrieb Martín Marqués:

> My question is, how many people are using selinux?

60,8% [1]

Regards,
Christoph

[1] http://smolts.org/static/stats/stats.html

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Re: selinux is a pain

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Dienstag, den 20.09.2011, 20:13 +0200 schrieb Christoph Wickert:
> Am Dienstag, den 20.09.2011, 08:14 -0300 schrieb Martín Marqués:
> 
> > My question is, how many people are using selinux?
> 
> 60,8% [1]

Sorry, the actual percentage of people who 'use' it is 79.8% and 68.6%
have it in enforcing mode.

Sorry for the typo,
Christoph

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Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 08:40 +0200 schrieb Erik P. Olsen:
> On 11/10/11 03:02, Jared K. Smith wrote:
> 
> > The Fedora 16 release name is: Beefy Miracle
> 
> Childish.

Why?

Beefy Miracle has a long history in Fedora, in fact it dates back to the
days of Red Hat Linux and as a tribute to one of the greatest Red Hat
releases ever it's just fair to have Fedora named "Beefy Miracle" 10
years later.

Just my 2 cents,
Christoph


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Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 00:32 -0400 schrieb Chris Kloiber:
> On 10/10/2011 10:57 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> > - Original message -
> >> Actually, I have to believe this is a joke email    if it is true,
> >> then all I can wonder is if Fedora naming is under the control of 13
> >> year olds just learning about wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
> >>
> >> It is so wrong ... its actually a bit replusive
> > I voted a 0 on this name. Did anyone else complaining even vote? There was 
> > low voter turnout.
> 
> I'm not a developer, therefore no vote.

You don't need to be a developer, you just need to have a FAS Account.

Regards,
Christoph


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Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 13:25 +0200 schrieb Michael Schwendt:
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:23:15 +0200, CW (Christoph) wrote:
> 
> > Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 08:40 +0200 schrieb Erik P. Olsen:
> > > On 11/10/11 03:02, Jared K. Smith wrote:
> > > 
> > > > The Fedora 16 release name is: Beefy Miracle
> > > 
> > > Childish.
> > 
> > Why?
> 
> Well, try to explain it to the users without talking in riddles.

Have we ever explained names like Tettnang or Zod?

Regards,
Christoph


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Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 19:25 +0800 schrieb Ed Greshko:
> I frankly (no pun intended) don't think "Beefy Miracle" is a name to be 
> proud of.

I do. Even though I am vegetarian.

Regards,
Christoph


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Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 14:21 +0200 schrieb Michael Schwendt:
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:07:50 +0200, CW (Christoph) wrote:
> 
> > Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 13:25 +0200 schrieb Michael Schwendt:
> > > On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:23:15 +0200, CW (Christoph) wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 08:40 +0200 schrieb Erik P. Olsen:
> > > > > On 11/10/11 03:02, Jared K. Smith wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > The Fedora 16 release name is: Beefy Miracle
> > > > > 
> > > > > Childish.
> > > > 
> > > > Why?
> > > 
> > > Well, try to explain it to the users without talking in riddles.
> > 
> > Have we ever explained names like Tettnang or Zod?
> 
> Of course, except that early Fedora release names have been decided on
> without voting.
> 
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/History_of_Fedora_release_names
> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora-_und_Red-Hat-Versionsnamen

None of these links explains the actual choices, they just explain how
the games works and what the connections are. 

Explaining the *name* doesn't mean to explain that Heidelberg is a City
in the German state of Baden-Württemberg but why Heidelberg was chosen
in favor of any other city in Baden-Württemberg.

> The Fedora Release name process has become much more open compared with
> Red Hat Linux ( http://www.smoogespace.com/documents/behind_the_names.html ).
> 
> Even during the RHL era. Red Hat Linux users that tried to figure out
> the connection between consecutive release names.

You see: You are again explaining the rules rather than the choices.
While I have to admit that the connection is a little week this time,
the name itself is easy to explain. It is more related to Fedora than
any other name before.

Regards,
Christoph

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Re: Persistent WIFI connection

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Mittwoch, den 26.10.2011, 21:39 -0700 schrieb Weydson Lima:
> Hey there,
> 
> I have a portable 4G device which is my main device to connect to the
> Internet. Whenever I return home with my device I have to manually
> connect all my Fedora boxes to my 4G device as they are not able to
> connect automatically. What's the proper way to set my boxes to
> connect automatically when my device is in range? I have already
> checked the setting to connect automatically in the
> gnome-control-center tool, but it doesn't seem to do anything in my
> case.

Make sure to also check "Available to all users", otherwise the
connection only will be established when the user that configured the
connection actually logs in.

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Re: Fedora - time to blink-XFCE question

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Donnerstag, den 24.11.2011, 11:13 -0600 schrieb Aaron Konstam:

> Why does XFCE insist you mount a Audio CD before you play it since we
> all know that Audio CDs are not mounted in the usual meaning of the
> term?

It doesn't, exo-mount even refuses to mount it. What player are you
referring to?

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Re: Midnight commander: ALT+ENTER does no longer work

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Donnerstag, den 01.12.2011, 16:28 +0100 schrieb suvayu ali:
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 15:51, Heinz Diehl  wrote:
> > Does anybody know what's happened here?
> 
> Its a faulty update. Downgrade your gtk2.
> 

Or upgrade vte to the packages of Thomas linked in 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=626792

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Re: disable desktop background in fedora 13 (LXDE)

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Donnerstag, den 26.08.2010, 22:18 -0500 schrieb Ranjan Maitra:
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:03:14 -0500 Yorvyk
>  wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 07:50:45 -0500
> > Ranjan Maitra  wrote:
> > 
> > > On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:11:35 -0500 john wendel 
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On 08/25/2010 01:42 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I was wondering how one does it: I have been looking at the 
> > > > > Preferences
> > > > > ->  Desktop but I can not find a way to have it take nothing as the
> > > > > background. Previously, in F10,11,12, I recall that there was a button
> > > > > somewhere which said no background. I can not find it here.

This is due to the changes in pcmanfm.

> > > > Select wallpaper screen, type in "none" for the filename. Presto ...
> > > 
> > > Thanks, John! In my case, there is a drop down menu. I chose a file that 
> > > is not a jpg
> > > and now get a black background. However, I can not get xplanet running
> > > in the background to show up. Any ideas?

Edit /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart and change the line that reads 

@pcmanfm --desktop --profile lxde

to 

@pcmanfm --d --profile lxde

or remove it completely. Instead add a line for xplanet

@xplanet

Commands prefixed with @ will be restarted by lxsession if they crash.

You also need to apply the same changes in
~/.config/lxsession/LXDE/autostart if you have customized your session
settings. (This is a bug, it should be sufficient to edit only the
latter file).

> > > Where should a bug report be submitted? Fedora? Or LXDE?

The bug that per-user autostart is overwritten by the global autostart
file is already known and will be fixed in the next release of
lxsession. The rest is no bug but simply a change in the behavior. You
might want to file a bug for getting back the old behavior of pcmanfm
where one could enable desktop icons independently from the wallpaper.
Please use the feature request tracker (!) of pcmanfm at
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=156956&atid=801867

Last bug not least I suggest to ask this question on the Fedora LXDE
mailing list [1]. The list is very low traffic and I wouldn't have
missed your mail. 

Regards,
Christoph

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Re: Open Xange 2010 have been released !

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Mittwoch, den 13.01.2010, 11:06 + schrieb linuxdigital.org (A.
Paulo Santos):
> Dear Srs, 
> 
> 
> Open Xange 2010 , the very best of Xange , a Fedora + KDE base distro,
> only with Open Source software, have been released: 

According to the website it includes:
Sun Java
Adobe 9
Google Gadgets
Skype

Only with Open Source?

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Re: how to use koji

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Samstag, den 16.01.2010, 14:23 +0100 schrieb Michal:

> what to do now

Koji is a client-server-system and to use it, you ether have to setup a
kijo server of your own or become a Fedora packager to use Fedora's koji
server.

I suggest to use mock instead. Mock will rebuild packages locally in a
chroot. Just download the F13 srpm packages you need from koji and then
rebuild them them locally.

mock -r fedora-12-i686 your-package-1.0.src.rpm

The chroots are defined in /etc/mock/. Please keep in mind that the in
order to rebuild foo against the new bar package, you need to have it
available in koji. So you put the new bar package into a folder and run
createrepo in that folder to generate the metadata. Then you make that
repo available for koji by adding it to /etc/mock/fedora-12-i386.cfg:

[my-mock]
name=my-mock
baseurl=file:///home/michal/my-repo
enabled=1

Beware, the dependency chain might be very long and you need to do the
steps again after every build that is required be the next on in the
chain.

When you are done, you can add your "my-mock" repo to yum and update the
packages.

Regards,
Christoph

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Re: how to use koji

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Samstag, den 16.01.2010, 10:52 -0430 schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan:
> On Sat, 2010-01-16 at 16:20 +0100, Christoph Wickert wrote:
> > > what to do now
> > 
> > Koji is a client-server-system and to use it, you ether have to setup
> > a kijo server of your own or become a Fedora packager to use Fedora's
> > koji server.
> 
> That's not entirely true. You can download individual packages from Koji
> using wget for example, as long as you're willing to do your own
> dependancy resolution.

The new boost includes a change of the soname, so your own dependency
resolution wont work as long as you don't rebuild everything locally.
BTW: The packages haven't even fully been rebuilt in rawhide.

> poc

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Re: Add Xfce desktop & apps in Fedora 12

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Donnerstag, den 21.01.2010, 02:04 +0530 schrieb Jay_Linux:
> Sorry that should be the Xfce desktop for Fedora 12 (not Xubuntu).

Hi,

as others already mentioned, you will get Xfce with 
yum groupinstall XFCE

I suggest to use the graphical "Add/Remove Software" tool because It
will also show you optional Xfce components you can install.

Next time you install Fedora, you might want to try our Xfce Spin, so
you don't have to install Gnome first. It features a very complete Xfce
desktop with even more Xfce packages than Xubuntu. Get it at
http://spins.fedoraproject.org/xfce/

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Re: Add Xfce desktop & apps in Fedora 12

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Mittwoch, den 20.01.2010, 18:54 -0800 schrieb Suvayu Ali:

> I use Xubuntu in our lab, and F11 with XFCE at home. I love my home 
> Fedora XFCE desktop 100 times better. :)

You ain't seen the F12 Xfce Spin yet! ;) It's way better than the F11
one.

> Thank you Christoph for maintaining this.

You are welcome. :) It's not only me but a few other guys as well, for
example Kevin and Adam.

If you are interested in Xfce, feel free to join us. Join our new Fedora
Xfce mailing list [1] and the Xfce Special Interest Group [2]. No need
to be a package maintainer pro, testing and feedback is very welcome
too.

Have fun,
Christoph

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Re: System-config-display won't Execute.

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Montag, den 25.01.2010, 14:19 -0500 schrieb Jim:
> FC12-x86_64/KDE
> 
> system-config-display won't execute.
> 
> 
> # system-config-display
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py", line 378, in 
>  dialog = xConfigDialog.XConfigDialog(hardware_state, xconfig, 
> videocard.VideoCardInfo())
>File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xConfigDialog.py", line 640, 
> in __init__
>  if len(self.xconfig.layout[0].adjacencies) > 1:
> IndexError: index out-of-bounds

This is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505972

Are you using any proprietary video drivers? If so, disable them and try
again.

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Re: System-config-display won't Execute.

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Montag, den 25.01.2010, 18:55 -0500 schrieb Jim:
> On 01/25/2010 02:38 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote:
> > Am Montag, den 25.01.2010, 14:19 -0500 schrieb Jim:
> >
> >> FC12-x86_64/KDE
> >>
> >> system-config-display won't execute.
> >>
> >>
> >> # system-config-display
> >> Traceback (most recent call last):
> >> File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py", line 378, in
> >>   dialog = xConfigDialog.XConfigDialog(hardware_state, xconfig,
> >> videocard.VideoCardInfo())
> >> File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xConfigDialog.py", line 640,
> >> in __init__
> >>   if len(self.xconfig.layout[0].adjacencies)>  1:
> >> IndexError: index out-of-bounds
> >>  
> > This is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505972
> >
> > Are you using any proprietary video drivers? If so, disable them and try
> > again.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Christoph
> >
> >
> >
> No I don't think so Chris, crazy as it may sound , as long as there is 
> xorg.conf
> system-config-display won't excute. Try it, with a xorg.conf in /etc/X11.
> and then delete the xorg.conf file and you will see that 
> system-config-display
> will execute.

I cannot confirm this observation, just tried it. For me it executes
with a xorg.conf I made with s-c-d.

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Re: Between F11 and F12, which would you choose?

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Freitag, den 29.01.2010, 01:17 -0700 schrieb r...@dwf.com:
> I have a half dozen machines updated to F11, and one to F12.
> Im wondering if I should update the F11s to F12 or leave well enough alone.
> 
> I realize that the F11 distribution has reached a 'stable' status, and
> the F12 distribution will probably take a couple more months to reach
> that status, but would be interested in hearing what other users have
> to say about the pair.

It depends on your definition of "stable":
If you define stable as "everything works", then I'd say go for F12. F12
is one of the best releases we ever had, it was already rock solid when
it was still the beta or release candidate.
But when you define stable as feature complete, no API changes and only
a few updates, then it's F11. There is still a lot of updates coming for
F12 while F11 has calmed down.

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Re: Add Xfce desktop & apps in Fedora 12

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Donnerstag, den 11.02.2010, 12:20 +0530 schrieb Jay_Linux:

> I install from the DVD; since the Fedora 12 DVD has additional space
> (DVD is about 3 GB), it might be possible to add the Xfce desktop and
> application packages to the Fedora DVD itself so it can be installed
> during installation/upgrade of Fedora ?

I will ask the release-engineering if this is possible. Thanks for your
suggestion!

Regards,
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Re: Setting GDM Login Screen Background

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Montag, den 22.02.2010, 08:10 +0530 schrieb Sawrub:
>
> I tried putting a symbolic link under the directory 
> /usr/share/backgrounds/ pointing to the directory that hosts my desired 
> picture. Added the same as desktop background and made it default, but 
> no success.

I guess that the gdm user running gdm has no privileges to access the
location where you placed it.

Regards,
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Re: Sorbet on Fedora's future

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Samstag, den 20.03.2010, 01:30 -0400 schrieb Marcel Rieux:
> For a while, I've been arguing with very knowledgeable people here
> that there are way too many bugs in Fedora, 

I can only speak for myself or the packages I maintain, but IMO there
are only a few bugs. In LXDE and Xfce we have many bugs fixed even
before release that still affect other distributions.

[snipped]

> (1) The only option available in my Gigabyte MA770T-UD3P's BIOS
> offering only options for entering passwords, for exemple.

Sorry, I don't understand what you are trying to tell us. What does your
BIOS have to do with the OS?

> (2) For instance, "New File" entering the clipboard every time a new
> file is created.

I cannot reproduce this bug here, could you explain a little more in
detail? I created a new file in nautilus, thunar and pcmanfm and never
had "New File" in my paste buffer. Do you have a cliboard manager
running, preferably parcellite with the option to "synchronize
clipboards"? If so, the behavior is correct: "New file" was the primary
selection and is getting synced to the clipboard.

> In Linux Weekly News, Mr Sorbet... err, make this Corbet, has written
> a nonetheless delightful article on the matter of what is causing this
> avalanche of bugs in so-called "stable" Fedora releases. 

First of all you need to understand that the term "stable" has nothing
to do with "bug free". Stable in this context means that APIs don't
change.

> To me, the
> sorbet of the whole article pretty much freezes down to this:

Do you have and indications that any of the bugs you name are specific
to Fedora or that the number of bugs in Fedora is higher than in other
distributions so it is actually justified to speak of a "avalanche" 

[snipped]

> And rightly so, since not breaking stable releases is the most
> fundamental Fedora rule, as expressed here in the Stable release
> update vision:
> 
> "The update repositories for stable releases of the Fedora
> distribution should provide our users with a consistent and high
> quality stream of updates."

The word "vision" indicates that it's somehing we strive for but not
simething that is yet in place. The fact that we are not doing well in
testing updates doesn't mean that we cannot do better.

> If this is the Fedora's game, I'm wishing to play. Otherwise, I'll
> move to Ubuntu 

If Fedora is going have less and better tested updates, you are going to
switch to Ubuntu because Ubuntu has less updates?

> or, as security is important to me, CentOS or
> Scientific Linux, soon as RHEL 6 is released.

What makes you think that CentOS cares more about security than Fedora?

> So, one might ask, what will the contribution of non-geeks to Fedora
> be? Well, as I said, I have a problem with my mobo. I also can't get
> sound through HDMI to my TV. A recent update has made playing DVDs
> impossible... except with Kplayer! (not KMplayer) Etc.

I think the first contribution in your case is to file bugs, so we can
actually look at your problems. Please try to be detailed as possible.

> So, if there was a place where I could report those bugs without
> registering to 10,000 different bugzillas and dealing with
> don't-give-a-shit geeks, I certainly would fill them and would be more
> than interested in trying packages in update-testing to see if the fix
> works. 

Have you already registered at bugzilla.redhat.com? It's just one
registration.
Or have you already given feedback to an update in bodhi? You don't even
need to register.

Last but not least: Can you give us an example of developers not giving
a shit?

> But I'm certainly not interested in enabling update-testing
> just to see if new stuff i don't need works, and possibly break my
> system.

Again you are contradicting yourself again. You say you want to test
updates from testing... but you don't want to test them. Huh?
And what prevents you from installing particular updates from updates
testing instead of enabling it globally?

I am convinced that I you invest the same amount of time into filing bug
and testing updates as you put into writing mails on this list, it would
surely help us to fix bugs and make Fedora a better distribution.

Regards,
Christoph

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Re: midori in LXDE/F-12 spin

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Samstag, den 20.03.2010, 17:08 -0500 schrieb Ranjan Maitra:
> Hi,
> 
> I have been using LXDE since the F-12 spin and it has been working
> great. 

Nice to hear that.

> I have also been using midori which seems to also work fine, but
> I got concerned recently when I got a message from some site saying that
> my browser did not support 128- (or was it 256-)bit strong encryption.
> Reading about it some more, it appears that midori suffers from IMO a
> fatal flaw, namely that it does not tell the user when security works
> and when it does not. See this bug report here:
> 
> http://www.twotoasts.de/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=743

I think this is something different or at least I don't consider this a
fatal flaw. IMHO indicating https in some way would be nice, but it's
not strictly necessary.

The more fundamental problem is that midori doesn't support
authentication with certificates, only with password. This makes some
websites impossible to access.

> I wonder if the default choice of midori to ship with the LXDE spin
> should not be reconsidered? There is no easy alternative for an answer:
> should it be Big-bloated Firefox or chromium?

Chronium is no alternative until it is in Fedora as a proper package.
And this will take some time, see
http://spot.livejournal.com/312320.html

This leaves us with Firefox but I'm not sure if I'm happy with it. I am
aware of the fact that I cannot make everybody happy, so my intention
was to offer the LXDE spin as kind of a starting point. After the
installation users can easily install the additional software they need.

This might work in most cases, but I'm not sure if it works with the
browser. A browser is fundamental and if somebody installs firefox
because midori lacks some features, he ends up with having two browsers
installed. Even if he uninstalls midori he will probably have some
packages left over that were installed as deps of midori.

Another problem is that midori doesn't support the java plugin, that's
why I left java out of the LXDE Spin. This problem could be addressed
with firefox too. 

I still don't know if I like switching, but I'm open to suggestions.
Feedback is very welcome.

> Ranjan

Regards,
Christoph

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Re: Sorbet on Fedora's future

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Sonntag, den 21.03.2010, 02:04 -0400 schrieb Marcel Rieux:
> On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Christoph Wickert
>  wrote:
> > Am Samstag, den 20.03.2010, 01:30 -0400 schrieb Marcel Rieux:
> 
> >> (1) The only option available in my Gigabyte MA770T-UD3P's BIOS
> >> offering only options for entering passwords, for exemple.
> >
> > Sorry, I don't understand what you are trying to tell us. What does your
> > BIOS have to do with the OS?
> 
> See my answer to charles zeitler. I suppose he'd be more apt then me
> to answer this question.

No he's not. As you were the one who claimed there is a connection
between BIOS and OS you should be able to answer that. It was not
Charles who stated this.
> 
> >> (2) For instance, "New File" entering the clipboard every time a new
> >> file is created.
> 
> > I cannot reproduce this bug here
> 
> Try the GNOME desktop.

I did try nautilus which is "the GNOME desktop".

> , could you explain a little more in
> > detail? I created a new file in nautilus, thunar and pcmanfm and never
> > had "New File" in my paste buffer. Do you have a cliboard manager
> > running, preferably parcellite
> 
> I installed parcellite. 

There you go, I already guessed that and explained why the behavior is
normal then.

> When you have more than a screenful of
> entries, you have to scroll up the list to the first entry. This
> disqualifies parcelite for me. 

So where is your bug report or feature request. Parcellite is hosted on
Google Code and you already have a Google account. Hooray, you don't
have to register your 1001th bug tracker account!

> As for the rest, you'll have to excuse me, it's getting late, here.

As I cannot comment on the rest of your mail because I don't use KDE,
please let me ask you again: Where are your feature requests, bug
reports or where is your feedback on updates. You seem to complaining a
lot, but this is not how Linux or Fedora work. A community based project
depends on what the community does and suffers from what is not getting
done. You have do decide if you want to go on complaining or actually
help improving things.

It's up to you! :)

Regards,
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Re: midori in LXDE/F-12 spin

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Samstag, den 20.03.2010, 23:26 -0500 schrieb Ranjan Maitra:

> Yes, LXDE has been fabulous, as has been Fedora, no question. I don't
> know what the occasional rants are about.

What rants? I hope I didn't miss anything?! I'm trying to follow this
list for at least all Xfce and LXDE issues or whatever affects my
packages.

> I find midori to be a pretty good option, fast and
> lightweight. But security is a major issue, especially for the user
> who will not be installing much more beyond the basic system. Just my
> thoughts.

I think security is not so much a concern as usability.
 
> > Another problem is that midori doesn't support the java plugin, that's
> > why I left java out of the LXDE Spin. This problem could be addressed
> > with firefox too. 
> > 
> > I still don't know if I like switching, but I'm open to suggestions.
> > Feedback is very welcome.
> > 
> 
> On a different point, I was wondering how to include xosview into the
> panel? The trouble with xload (the load monitor) is that it does not
> show me what the multiple cores/CPUS are doing at a time. However, I
> can not figure out how to put in xosview in the panel so that it would
> show me the CPU, memory and swap usage. Do you know? 

You could try alltray to get xload into the tray of lxpanel. However it
will require a large panel I guess.

> I think
> other users may also benefit, so something similar to this could be
> considered for inclusion in the default LXDE spin for F13?

I think this is a very special case. There already is the cpu-monitor
plugin in lxpanel which should be sufficient for most users.

> Despite my suggestion(s) here, I also wonder if we can make the spin
> smaller by getting rid of redundant gnome/xfce packages. As LXDE
> matures, this should be more possible.

Currently there is not much we can do. There are no Xfce packages in the
spin, but some GNOME ones such as NetworkManager-gnome and all it's
deps. I'm afraid there currently is no alternative. wicd for example
uses more resources and has less functionality. LXNM is not working and
is going to be completely rewritten from scratch.

I'll be more than happy to use any GNOME alternative there is, but for
NM I don't think there is an alternative. Suggestions are welcome
though, not only for NM but also for other packages.

> Thanks again for the great work!! Keep it up!

Thanks!
Christoph

> Best wishes,
> Ranjan


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Re: midori in LXDE/F-12 spin

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Montag, den 22.03.2010, 11:05 + schrieb Alan Cox:
> > I'll be more than happy to use any GNOME alternative there is, but for
> > NM I don't think there is an alternative. Suggestions are welcome
> > though, not only for NM but also for other packages.
> 
> Moblin uses conman which is also worth looking at and serves a similar
> functionality.

Conman is dead, moblin switched to network-manager-netbook which is even
worse: In addition to the typical suspects (GConf, gnome-keyring etc.)
it requires mutter, so we would have the third window manager in the
spin.

> Alan

Regards,
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Re: midori in LXDE/F-12 spin

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Montag, den 22.03.2010, 11:12 + schrieb Fred Williams:
> On 22 March 2010 11:05, Alan Cox  wrote:
> > I'll be more than happy to use any GNOME alternative there
> is, but for
> > NM I don't think there is an alternative. Suggestions are
> welcome
> > though, not only for NM but also for other packages.
> 
> Moblin uses conman which is also worth looking at and serves a
> similar
> functionality.
>
> Might I suggest WicD? I don't think it has as many gnome dependencies,
> and (I think) provides a better means of handling networking.

Please read my previous post, I already explained why wicd it not an
option. It's true that it has less dependencies, but it requires way
more RAM and CPU, especially when automatic scanning vor wireless
networks is turned on. IMHO this is more critical than diskspace.

Regards,
Christoph

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Re: Where's Fedora Security Spin ISO

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Freitag, den 26.03.2010, 15:42 +0100 schrieb Athmane Madjoudj:
> Hello everyone;
> 
> I'm very interested in Fedora Security Lab/Spin because i dislike
> backtrack 4 after the switch from SLAX to Ubuntu, after googling i
> found Fedora Security Lab Spin at
> http://spins.fedoraproject.org/security/ but download page does not
> contain any download link or torrent
> 
> so anyone can point me to the iso link ?

The Security Spin is targeted for F13, so there is no official version
yet. Grab a nightly from 
http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/security/

The artwork isn't finished yet and there still is an issue with the
login manager LXDM and ConsoleKit.

Regards,
Christoph


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Re: Klipper now works in GNOME!

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Montag, den 05.04.2010, 17:17 -0400 schrieb Marcel Rieux:
> On the brighter side, an upgrade has arrived since I noticed that
> Klipper only worked properly in GNOME after Parcellite was installed
> and functional. The upgarde caused problems selecting text. I removed
> Parcellite and now Klipper works perfectly in GNOME.

Klipper has always worked in GNOME I already told you what that the
behavior you saw with parcellite was intended, at least if you configure
parcellite this way.

> Glipper is still unavailable.

I already told you that Glipper was orphaned because it has some severe
bugs that are not going to be fixed because the project is dead
upstream. Please be so kind as to read what other people write.

Thanks,
Christoph

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Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Montag, den 05.04.2010, 17:09 -0400 schrieb Marcel Rieux:

> I can't figure how the figures I see there are compatible with
> developers working for Red Hat for free... Ooops! I meant
> "contributing their work" for free.

Red Hat has a lot of payed employees. What figures are you talking
about?

> So, no problem and no solution: everything is fine.
> 
> Meanwhile, back on the farm, Mark Shuttleworth pays his developers and
> doesn't get a cent back... for now.

On the other hand, Ubuntu also has a large community of volunteers.
Where is the difference? Ubuntu even has way a larger percentage of
volunteers compared to payed developers than Red Hat.

Regards,
Christoph

P.S.: Please stop spreading FUD. Your subject "what is the real story?"
already implies that article you were referring to and Paul's mail or
blog post are *not* the real story.


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Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Donnerstag, den 08.04.2010, 19:47 -0400 schrieb Marcel Rieux:


> Now, of course, we heard that Fedora 13 will have KDE as its default
> desktop.

April fool's joke?

> What I'm personaly sure of is that if RHF doesn't come more
> transparent, ...

What is RHF? There is Red Hat and there is Fedora, but there is no "Red
Hat Fedora" or alike.

> RHF: is the administration transparent enough on who gets the money?

The Fedora community budget is available on the wiki:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Community_Architecture_expenses

Is this transparent enough?

Christoph


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Re: Best Tool for desktop search

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Freitag, den 16.04.2010, 10:56 -0700 schrieb Suvayu Ali:
> On Friday 16 April 2010 08:48 AM, Angel Natan Villegas Vicencio wrote:
> >
> > Please let me know what desktop search package your use it.
> >
> 
> Althoug I don't use desktop search any more, but for the short time I 
> was using it I liked tracker. It comes as standard with the XFCE desktop.

It used to be part of the Xfce Spin, but we removed it in favor of
catfish in F-11 I think. Nevertheless tracker is the tool I'd would
recommend for people who really need a desktop search with indexing.

Regards,
Christoph

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Re: Preupgrade??

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Montag, den 26.04.2010, 20:18 -0400 schrieb Ted Roche:
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Paolo Galtieri  wrote:
> >>
> > The question is will F13 resize /boot on an upgrade or will the 500Mb
> > /boot appear only if you do a fresh install?  I really don't want to
> > have to re-install to get the bigger /boot.
> >
> 
> Doesn't look like it made it into this version, at least not yet:
> 
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F13_bugs#Preupgrade_doesn.27t_work_with_default-sized_.2Fboot_partition
> 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=573451
Fix is in 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=573451#c21

Regards,
Christoph

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