Re: Fedora 25 - Terminal - Utilities - Why is it hidden away?
That's the problem - just who do these developers cater for? Answer: The mythical beast of the newbie converting from Windows or OS X. They aren't coming in droves, especially not to Fedora. No love for the actual user base - skilled/technical users doing development or administration tasks. I will stop now and go back to wrangling F25. Cheers On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 12:23 PM, jd1008 <jd1...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 12/07/2016 07:00 PM, Dan Irwin wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Playing with Fedora 25. I'm shocked to see the terminal is still hidden >> away in the utilities group. >> >> I'm pretty sure near 100% of users add Terminal to the favorites >> immediately after install. >> >> Surely the #1 use case of Fedora on the desktop IS the terminal? >> >> Cheers, >> >> D >> >> :) :) > Perhaps Fedora and other Nuxes are trying hard to be Windows ?:) :) > Now that MS is a member of OSF, and on the board, perhaps Windows > and Linux will merge into a single OS - like ... WinLin, or LinWin, Winux ? > Argh!!! No mater how you name it, it sounds terrible! > > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Fedora 25 - Terminal - Utilities - Why is it hidden away?
Hi all, Playing with Fedora 25. I'm shocked to see the terminal is still hidden away in the utilities group. I'm pretty sure near 100% of users add Terminal to the favorites immediately after install. Surely the #1 use case of Fedora on the desktop IS the terminal? Cheers, D ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F21: why Fedora still has not alternative init?
I find the attitude of many of the senior fedora people quite disappointing. There is no freedom, there is ZERO choice on this issue. It's a dictatorship. My observations are that the systemd people are not the best people for the job. In fact, they are probably at the complete other end of the spectrum. They don't appear to listen to users. They appear to focus their effort on starting laptop computers, while ignoring the majority of linux use cases. systemd is not for servers. But apparently, it's not for embedded, mobile phone, or tablet either. In fact, systemd doesn't run on anything that doesn't run glibc. Now i know these are not relevant to fedora. Lately I have been questioning the relevance of fedora anyway. Mailing list volume has reduced to a trickle. Diminishing users. We really are only a beta for RHEL. Honestly, systemd is already irrelevant in the grand scheme of linux. It was a nice experiment, and has some great ideas. What was sold to us way back in 2010 is NOT what we have today. We were sold an init replacement. Instead, we have a madman taking over every aspect of the computer with lots of new, untested code, full of half baked ideas. It's not enterprise. And anyone who says it is clearly doesn't do enterprise linux for a living. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 3:13 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Allegedly, on or about 03 May 2015, Marko Vojinovic sent: Oooh, I see, writing buggy and ill-documented code is (ultimately) better for the market survival of the software company! Isn't that how Microsoft made their millions? -- All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. ZNQR LBH YBBX -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 21 server gnome install not starting
One really great reason to install Fedora server is that logging, using rsyslog, works out of the box. After learning this (this list, last week), I will be avoiding any desktop type installers, preferring the server image for workstation and laptop installs. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Pete Travis li...@petetravis.com wrote: On Mar 8, 2015 1:50 PM, Morgan Read mst...@read.org.nz wrote: Hello Folks I know there's many questions about 'no graphical environment on server', but I've install gnome and enabled it. After booting the display hangs following: [ OK ] Started GNOME Display Manager And, perhaps a few following such as starting virtualisation demon, waiting for plymouth to quit Following a server install I ran the following successfully: # yum groupinstall gnome --skip-broken # systemctl set-default graphical.target This this is what systemctl says: ]# systemctl status -l gdm.service ● gdm.service - GNOME Display Manager Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/gdm.service; enabled) Active: failed (Result: start-limit) since Sun 2015-03-08 17:51:35 GMT; 1min 29s ago Process: 1613 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/gdm (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) Main PID: 1613 (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) Mar 08 17:51:35 frontserver.lan systemd[1]: gdm.service: main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE Mar 08 17:51:35 frontserver.lan systemd[1]: Unit gdm.service entered failed state. Mar 08 17:51:35 frontserver.lan systemd[1]: gdm.service failed. Mar 08 17:51:35 frontserver.lan systemd[1]: start request repeated too quickly for gdm.service Mar 08 17:51:35 frontserver.lan systemd[1]: Failed to start GNOME Display Manager. Mar 08 17:51:35 frontserver.lan systemd[1]: Unit gdm.service entered failed state. Mar 08 17:51:35 frontserver.lan systemd[1]: gdm.service failed. Any pointers would be very much appreciated. Many thanks. Morgan -- Morgan Read Confused about DRM? Get all the info you need at: http://drm.info/ -- Hi Morgan, I'm asking out of personal curiosity, so please don't take this as a criticism. If you wanted a GNOME desktop, why did you install Fedora Server instead of Fedora Workstation? --Pete -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: rsyslog
Thank you Tom, you are helpful as always. On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 3 Mar 2015 13:46:43 +1000 Dan Irwin wrote: Hi all, What kind of secret voodoo does one need to use rsyslog on a systemd system? Is it even possible? From my notes on making fedora usable: rsyslog isn't installed by default, so you get no log files you can look at with normal tools. The systemd journal has taken over. To restore sanity: yum install rsyslog In /etc/systemd/journald.conf set: Storage=none ForwardToSyslog=yes Create a file named /etc/rsyslog.d/sd-socket.conf that contains: $AddUnixListenSocket /run/systemd/journal/syslog Having gotten real log files back, may need to also install logrotate. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: rsyslog
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Bill Oliver ven...@billoblog.com wrote: What I care about as a *user* is turning on my computer and being able to get my work done without making futzing with the box my primary focus. I want my *work* to be my primary focus. I prefer to admin my own machines for a number of reasons, but wanting to be an administrator first and a scientist second isn't it. This is quite an interesting comment. futzing is definitely one word that applies to fedora over recent years. Somehow I feel that many linux developers don't use linux for anything other than developing linux. So they don't actually know (or don't care) that their decisions have consequences for people that are real. Honestly, most people (as in net/sys admins) don't even use Linux anymore. They use Windows 7 or Macs. The volume of mail to this list is a fraction of what it once was. I can only assume that successive versions of Fedora have alienated users to the point they have just left. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
rsyslog
Hi all, What kind of secret voodoo does one need to use rsyslog on a systemd system? Is it even possible? I have installed it, and I only get kernel boot messages in /var/log/messages. I find journalctl to be fundamentally braindead, lacking features which we have taken for granted for decades in redhat/rhel/fedora/centos. (Seriously, whats the wisdom of keeping ALL logs around forever?, and in an easily corruptible format). I found something on the fedora web site which said to just install rsyslog... Clearly obsolete or invalid advice. Thank you. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
F21, authconfig-tui, system is unusable
Hi all, I just ran authconfig-tui to configure my F21 system for kerberos and ldap. When I reboot, Fedora gives me the firstboot screen EVERY TIME now. Prior to running authconfig-tui, my system was working fine, and had been for weeks. If i attempt to setup a new account, it hangs indefinetly. If i allow it to join my AD domain, it hangs indefinetly. Point: I just setup my machine to join the local kerberos realm and ldap directory. Now it's unusable. Why the hell would I now want to join my AD realm? And why is it even hanging? I could debug this, and open bugs, but history has shown that any bug too hard won't even be looked at. Do the developers of Linux actually use linux for anything other than to try and clone OS X, poorly? /rant - Dan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora-21 firewall advice?
Personally, I'm somewhat amused. So the iptables scripts were broken. We all know that. Instead of fixing them, let's make a whole new firewalld thing! On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 7:56 AM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: On 01/19/15 05:32, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 01/18/2015 04:44 AM, Heinz Diehl wrote: Opposed to what is written in this article, firewalld leaves the system open even after upgrading with --product=nonproduct, which I verified some minutes ago on a laptop upgraded from F20 to F21 yesterday evening. Use 'iptables -L -n -v'. You are probably mistaking the allow-all-on-lo rule for an entirely open rule. Firewalld's default is not open Yes. It is certainly *NOT OPEN* as has been suggested Trying to connect to sendmail on a newly minted F21 system from a F20 system [egreshko@meimei ~]$ telnet 192.168.1.222 25 Trying 192.168.1.222... telnet: connect to address 192.168.1.222: No route to host Then opening up the port... [egreshko@meimei ~]$ telnet 192.168.1.222 25 Trying 192.168.1.222... telnet: connect to address 192.168.1.222: Connection refused Since sendmail isn't listening on the port. -- If you can't laugh at yourself, others will gladly oblige. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: NV or AMD gfx for 4k?
Has anyone got any feedback on AMD/ATI graphics devices with uhd/4k? On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Dan Irwin rummymob...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Tom, that is valuable feedback. On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 15:09:54 +1000 Dan Irwin wrote: What is the current state of play? Who has the most stable drivers, either proprietary or in kernel? I've got an nvidia maxwell card driving my UHD display at work, and the nouveau driver doesn't work at all, and with the rpmfusion nvidia binaries I only get 2D, no open GL. I had hoped that on fedora 21 things would be better, but no such luck. Supposedly nouveau will work if only you can get firmware it can load, but my attempts to follow instructions about extracting firmware have been a bust as well. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: NV or AMD gfx for 4k?
Hi Tom, I see your other thread here, and the one over on rpmfusion. I think I feel better about buying nvidia hardware now :-) Thanks mate. On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: I've got an nvidia maxwell card driving my UHD display at work, and the nouveau driver doesn't work at all, and with the rpmfusion nvidia binaries I only get 2D, no open GL. I had hoped that on fedora 21 things would be better, but no such luck. I should mention that I finally tracked this down as a stupid error in a completely separate local tool rpm that was putting an incorrect entry in an ldconfig .conf file which wound up hiding the nvidia libgl.so files and friends. After fixing the bad .conf file, I now get 3d on my UHD display with my maxwell card. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
NV or AMD gfx for 4k?
So my 2013 dell can't quite drive my new 4k display. It's missing DP1.2 on the onboard intel gfx. (Well, actually, I can get it into 4k mode by toying with xrandr, but it won't drive a second sub-hd display i have laying about) I am personally leaning towards nvidia, because it's worked so well in the past on linux. Like 10+ years ago... What is the current state of play? Who has the most stable drivers, either proprietary or in kernel? Thanks. Dan. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: NV or AMD gfx for 4k?
Thanks Tom, that is valuable feedback. On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 15:09:54 +1000 Dan Irwin wrote: What is the current state of play? Who has the most stable drivers, either proprietary or in kernel? I've got an nvidia maxwell card driving my UHD display at work, and the nouveau driver doesn't work at all, and with the rpmfusion nvidia binaries I only get 2D, no open GL. I had hoped that on fedora 21 things would be better, but no such luck. Supposedly nouveau will work if only you can get firmware it can load, but my attempts to follow instructions about extracting firmware have been a bust as well. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: em1 down in nm, yet it has an IPv6 address
There are other fixes, like disconnecting the gige connection to my laptop docking station. Or maybe turn wifi off and use only the gige. But If i use the laptop away from my desk and come back, the problem will bite once more. Something else i find disconcerting. There must be very few users running Linux on a laptop, with IPv6, with wifi and gige connections. Maybe they just get pissed off and go elsewhere when things like google or facebook fail to load. My biggest problem is maintaining connections to the local kdc and various internal services which present as dual stack. I am seriously quite tempted to disable IPv6 on the subnets to which I connect. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: On 09/11/14 12:25, Dan Irwin wrote: Hi all, [ Reposted from NetworkManager list as it's kinda quiet over there right now ] Fedora 20 here. nm is 0.9.9.0-41.git20131003. (Old, I know) Network Manager shows em1 Wired as being down. I have em1 configured as down. Yet, I notice the following: # ip -6 r default via fe80::redacted dev wlp2s0 proto static metric 1024 default via fe80::redacted dev em1 proto ra metric 1024 expires 597sec # ifconfig em1 em1: flags=4163UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 1500 inet6 fe80::redacted prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x20link inet6 2001:redacted prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x0global ether redacted txqueuelen 1000 (Ethernet) RX packets 74900 bytes 5929479 (5.6 MiB) RX errors 0 dropped 862 overruns 0 frame 0 TX packets 9 bytes 762 (762.0 B) TX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 carrier 0 collisions 0 device interrupt 20 memory 0xf7e0-f7e2 Down means down, but only for IPv4. I have noticed this for several months, and occasionally, it causes a problem with IPv6 connectivity. Any pointers would be appreciated, before I disable IPv6 completely. Well, when I look at the above and see 4163UP,BROADCAST I get the feeling that NM isn't really marking the interface down. If you were to issue ip link set em1 down it would truly be down. But, that doesn't survive a reboot. -- If you can't laugh at yourself, others will gladly oblige. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: em1 down in nm, yet it has an IPv6 address
Dan Williams replied over on the NetworkManager list. He suggested rebuilding and installing NetworkManager from F21. This seems to work fine. No v6 addresses or routes for em1. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: On 09/11/14 14:37, Dan Irwin wrote: There are other fixes, like disconnecting the gige connection to my laptop docking station. Or maybe turn wifi off and use only the gige. But If i use the laptop away from my desk and come back, the problem will bite once more. Something else i find disconcerting. There must be very few users running Linux on a laptop, with IPv6, with wifi and gige connections. Maybe they just get pissed off and go elsewhere when things like google or facebook fail to load. My biggest problem is maintaining connections to the local kdc and various internal services which present as dual stack. I am seriously quite tempted to disable IPv6 on the subnets to which I connect. If you only want to disable it on your laptop and/or a given interface you can always edit /etc/sysctl.conf to include this line net.ipv6.conf.interfacename.disable_ipv6=1 -- If you can't laugh at yourself, others will gladly oblige. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
em1 down in nm, yet it has an IPv6 address
Hi all, [ Reposted from NetworkManager list as it's kinda quiet over there right now ] Fedora 20 here. nm is 0.9.9.0-41.git20131003. (Old, I know) Network Manager shows em1 Wired as being down. I have em1 configured as down. Yet, I notice the following: # ip -6 r default via fe80::redacted dev wlp2s0 proto static metric 1024 default via fe80::redacted dev em1 proto ra metric 1024 expires 597sec # ifconfig em1 em1: flags=4163UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 1500 inet6 fe80::redacted prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x20link inet6 2001:redacted prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x0global ether redacted txqueuelen 1000 (Ethernet) RX packets 74900 bytes 5929479 (5.6 MiB) RX errors 0 dropped 862 overruns 0 frame 0 TX packets 9 bytes 762 (762.0 B) TX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 carrier 0 collisions 0 device interrupt 20 memory 0xf7e0-f7e2 Down means down, but only for IPv4. I have noticed this for several months, and occasionally, it causes a problem with IPv6 connectivity. Any pointers would be appreciated, before I disable IPv6 completely. Thanks. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Even more yum breakage; this time with libreoffice
Hi all, It seems libreoffice depends on libcmis-0.4.so.4()(64bit), yet there is no libcmis-0.4.so.4()(64bit) in any fedora repo. I do see libcmis-0.3.1-8.fc20.x86_64, but this is in the os repo, and not in updates. I am going to assume this is a widespread problem, and not related to my machine's broken rpm database. I am yet to completely fix my system from the dupe packages/rpm scriptlet problem. And now I have no openoffice until someone pushes libcmis-0.4. Its been a rough week in fedoraland! Cheers, Dan. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Even more yum breakage; this time with libreoffice
Hi Ed, Great work. I knew the rpm would be out there. I could not remember koji's hostname. But I did know it existed. Thanks again. On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: On 02/24/14 09:55, Dan Irwin wrote: It seems libreoffice depends on libcmis-0.4.so.4()(64bit), yet there is no libcmis-0.4.so.4()(64bit) in any fedora repo. I do see libcmis-0.3.1-8.fc20.x86_64, but this is in the os repo, and not in updates. I am going to assume this is a widespread problem, and not related to my machine's broken rpm database. I am yet to completely fix my system from the dupe packages/rpm scriptlet problem. And now I have no openoffice until someone pushes libcmis-0.4. To get past the libreoffice problem Download what you need from here http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=499516 And then do yum localinstall whatever.rpm It will bring in the libreoffice as updates. Its been a rough week in fedoraland! Maybe for you :-) :-) -- Getting tired of non-Fedora discussions and self-serving posts -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
F20 Updates or yum broken?
Hello,
This morning while running yum update -y I noticed some problems.
It seems like abrt has some dependancy issues, and yum can't deal with this
on it's own.
I am also seeing a long list of erroneous messages like the following:
firewalld-0.3.9.2-1.fc20.noarch is a duplicate with
firewalld-0.3.9-1.fc20.noarch
firewalld-0.3.9.3-1.fc20.noarch is a duplicate with
firewalld-0.3.9.2-1.fc20.noarch
From talking to rpm I get this:
# rpm -q firewalld
firewalld-0.3.9-1.fc20.noarch
firewalld-0.3.9.2-1.fc20.noarch
firewalld-0.3.9.3-1.fc20.noarch
Looks like the rpmdb has become corrupted. I wouldn't expect 3 versions of
something like firewalld to be installed concurrently.
Dan
Output from yum:
-- Finished Dependency Resolution
Error: Package: abrt-addon-kerneloops-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64 (@updates)
Requires: abrt = 2.1.11-1.fc20
Removing: abrt-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64 (@updates)
abrt = 2.1.11-1.fc20
Updated By: abrt-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 (updates)
abrt = 2.1.12-2.fc20
Available: abrt-2.1.9-1.fc20.x86_64 (fedora)
abrt = 2.1.9-1.fc20
Error: Package: abrt-addon-pstoreoops-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64 (@updates)
Requires: abrt = 2.1.11-1.fc20
Removing: abrt-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64 (@updates)
abrt = 2.1.11-1.fc20
Updated By: abrt-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 (updates)
abrt = 2.1.12-2.fc20
Available: abrt-2.1.9-1.fc20.x86_64 (fedora)
abrt = 2.1.9-1.fc20
Error: Package: abrt-addon-xorg-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64 (@updates)
Requires: abrt = 2.1.11-1.fc20
Removing: abrt-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64 (@updates)
abrt = 2.1.11-1.fc20
Updated By: abrt-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 (updates)
abrt = 2.1.12-2.fc20
Available: abrt-2.1.9-1.fc20.x86_64 (fedora)
abrt = 2.1.9-1.fc20
Error: Package: abrt-addon-vmcore-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64 (@updates)
Requires: abrt = 2.1.11-1.fc20
Removing: abrt-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64 (@updates)
abrt = 2.1.11-1.fc20
Updated By: abrt-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 (updates)
abrt = 2.1.12-2.fc20
Available: abrt-2.1.9-1.fc20.x86_64 (fedora)
abrt = 2.1.9-1.fc20
Error: Package: abrt-addon-ccpp-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64 (@updates)
Requires: abrt = 2.1.11-1.fc20
Removing: abrt-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64 (@updates)
abrt = 2.1.11-1.fc20
Updated By: abrt-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 (updates)
abrt = 2.1.12-2.fc20
Available: abrt-2.1.9-1.fc20.x86_64 (fedora)
abrt = 2.1.9-1.fc20
You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem
** Found 59 pre-existing rpmdb problem(s), 'yum check' output follows:
1:NetworkManager-0.9.9.0-24.git20131003.fc20.x86_64 has missing requires of
NetworkManager-glib(x86-64) = ('1', '0.9.9.0', '24.git20131003.fc20')
1:NetworkManager-0.9.9.0-26.git20131003.fc20.x86_64 is a duplicate with
1:NetworkManager-0.9.9.0-24.git20131003.fc20.x86_64
1:NetworkManager-0.9.9.0-26.git20131003.fc20.x86_64 has missing requires of
NetworkManager-glib(x86-64) = ('1', '0.9.9.0', '26.git20131003.fc20')
1:NetworkManager-0.9.9.0-28.git20131003.fc20.x86_64 is a duplicate with
1:NetworkManager-0.9.9.0-26.git20131003.fc20.x86_64
abrt-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64 has missing requires of abrt-libs = ('0',
'2.1.11', '1.fc20')
abrt-addon-ccpp-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64 has missing requires of abrt-libs =
('0', '2.1.11', '1.fc20')
abrt-addon-ccpp-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 is a duplicate with
abrt-addon-ccpp-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64
abrt-addon-ccpp-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 has missing requires of abrt = ('0',
'2.1.12', '2.fc20')
abrt-addon-kerneloops-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64 has missing requires of
abrt-libs = ('0', '2.1.11', '1.fc20')
abrt-addon-kerneloops-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 is a duplicate with
abrt-addon-kerneloops-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64
abrt-addon-kerneloops-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 has missing requires of abrt =
('0', '2.1.12', '2.fc20')
abrt-addon-pstoreoops-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64 has missing requires of
abrt-libs = ('0', '2.1.11', '1.fc20')
abrt-addon-pstoreoops-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 is a duplicate with
abrt-addon-pstoreoops-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64
abrt-addon-pstoreoops-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 has missing requires of abrt =
('0', '2.1.12', '2.fc20')
abrt-addon-python-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 has missing requires of abrt = ('0',
'2.1.12', '2.fc20')
abrt-addon-vmcore-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 is a duplicate with
abrt-addon-vmcore-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64
abrt-addon-vmcore-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 has missing requires of abrt = ('0',
'2.1.12', '2.fc20')
abrt-addon-xorg-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 is a duplicate with
abrt-addon-xorg-2.1.11-1.fc20.x86_64
abrt-addon-xorg-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 has missing requires of abrt = ('0',
'2.1.12', '2.fc20')
abrt-dbus-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 has missing requires of abrt = ('0',
'2.1.12', '2.fc20')
abrt-desktop-2.1.12-2.fc20.x86_64 has missing requires of abrt = ('0',
Re: F20 Updates or yum broken?
Hello Joe, Thanks for the tip. I had forgotten about package-cleanup. However, running that shows some more issues: Is this ok [y/N]: y Downloading packages: Running transaction check ERROR with transaction check vs depsolve: libvirt-daemon = 1.1.3.3-5.fc20 is needed by (installed) libvirt-daemon-driver-network-1.1.3.3-5.fc20.x86_64 libvirt-daemon = 1.1.3.3-5.fc20 is needed by (installed) libvirt-daemon-driver-qemu-1.1.3.3-5.fc20.x86_64 libvirt-daemon = 1.1.3.3-5.fc20 is needed by (installed) libvirt-daemon-driver-secret-1.1.3.3-5.fc20.x86_64 libvirt-daemon = 1.1.3.3-5.fc20 is needed by (installed) libvirt-daemon-driver-nodedev-1.1.3.3-5.fc20.x86_64 libvirt-daemon = 1.1.3.3-5.fc20 is needed by (installed) libvirt-daemon-driver-nwfilter-1.1.3.3-5.fc20.x86_64 libvirt-daemon = 1.1.3.3-5.fc20 is needed by (installed) libvirt-daemon-driver-storage-1.1.3.3-5.fc20.x86_64 libvirt-daemon = 1.1.3.3-5.fc20 is needed by (installed) libvirt-daemon-driver-interface-1.1.3.3-5.fc20.x86_64 libvirt-daemon = 1.1.3.3-5.fc20 is needed by (installed) libvirt-daemon-kvm-1.1.3.3-5.fc20.x86_64 Complete! (1, []) If I try to remove libvirt-daemon, and its dependencies, I get the following error: # rpm -e libvirt... (and it's dependencies including gnome-boxes) warning: %postun(gnome-boxes-3.10.2-2.fc20.x86_64) scriptlet failed, exit status 127 error: %preun(libvirt-daemon-1.1.3.2-1.fc20.x86_64) scriptlet failed, exit status 127 error: libvirt-daemon-1.1.3.2-1.fc20.x86_64: erase failed It's beginning to look like a re-install is on the cards! Still, I'd love to know what caused this breakage. Cheers, Dan On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 02/18/2014 05:46 PM, Dan Irwin wrote: Looks like the rpmdb has become corrupted. I wouldn't expect 3 versions of something like firewalld to be installed concurrently. package-cleanup --cleandupes should fix that. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: IPv6 breakage in NetworkManager
I have had some success in identifying the root cause of this. Today, IPv6 broke again, and I had some spare time to debug it. It seems as though NetworkManager is setting up an IPv6 default route via em1, even though I had em1 disabled. Earlier, I had two default routes. One via em1, another via wlp2s0 (aka wlan0): default via fe80::d267:e5ff:feb5:235b dev wlp2s0 proto static metric 1024 default via fe80::d267:e5ff:feb5:235b dev em1 proto ra metric 1024 expires 593sec One appears to be static, the other is received via ra on the disabled interface. I can only imagine this means my default route in IPv6 land has been switching between the two interfaces. To me, this explains the dropped ssh sessions, web browsing timeouts, and other flaky behaviour which I am attributing to loss of IPv6 DNS packages. So, NetworkManager bug or kernel bug? I can only assume NetworkManager is responsible for this. Cheers On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Dan Irwin rummymob...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Wolfgang, I'm not using dhclient6, or dhcpv6 at all on the subnets I connect to. Checking my system I don't see dhclient6 running. Sounds like a similar problem though. I might try the updated policy package mentioned in your bz - but only if the changelog seems like it might help. Thanks On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wolfgang.ruppre...@gmail.com wrote: Dan Irwin rummymob...@gmail.com writes: Seeing significant issues with IPv6. After some time, IPv6 completely seems to stop working. IPv4 is unaffected. I'm seeing an IPv6 breakage in NetworkManager/dhclient6 too. At first it looked like an Selinux problem (there was an avc), but fixing that didn't stop the problem with NM not getting a working IPv6 address via dhclient6. BZ#1055226 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1055226 Re-connecting to wifi seems to restore IPv6 connectivity. Mine is via an ethernet connection to my cable modem which connects to Comcast. I can do a systemctl restart NetworkManager in order to get an ipv6 address. -wolfgang -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: IPv6 breakage in NetworkManager
Hi Wolfgang, I'm not using dhclient6, or dhcpv6 at all on the subnets I connect to. Checking my system I don't see dhclient6 running. Sounds like a similar problem though. I might try the updated policy package mentioned in your bz - but only if the changelog seems like it might help. Thanks On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wolfgang.ruppre...@gmail.com wrote: Dan Irwin rummymob...@gmail.com writes: Seeing significant issues with IPv6. After some time, IPv6 completely seems to stop working. IPv4 is unaffected. I'm seeing an IPv6 breakage in NetworkManager/dhclient6 too. At first it looked like an Selinux problem (there was an avc), but fixing that didn't stop the problem with NM not getting a working IPv6 address via dhclient6. BZ#1055226 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1055226 Re-connecting to wifi seems to restore IPv6 connectivity. Mine is via an ethernet connection to my cable modem which connects to Comcast. I can do a systemctl restart NetworkManager in order to get an ipv6 address. -wolfgang -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
IPv6 breakage in NetworkManager
Hi all, Seeing significant issues with IPv6. After some time, IPv6 completely seems to stop working. IPv4 is unaffected. Re-connecting to wifi seems to restore IPv6 connectivity. However, various things (ssh, firefox) stop working completely. Open ssh sessions freeze. Web page requests time out. At the same time, I can access IPv6 resources from other machines which do not run NetworkManager. Next time this occurs, I hope to have some time to diagnose this problem further. In the meantime, is anyone else seeing such breaking wrt IPv6? Something to note, I run numerous servers with IPv6, both physical and virtual. These servers run CentOS; None run NetworkManager, and all have working IPv6 connectivity. Cheers, Dan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Fix for bz 1043212 (/var/run/nologin) timeframe?
Hello, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1043212#c24 Being hit by the mysteriously appearing /var/run/nologin (Thanks, systemd...). Keen for a fix, seems one should be available now. Is anyone else actually seeing systemd-208-11 showing up? I only see systemd-208-9, which is broken. Does it fix the issue? (Oh and why am i not surprised, at all, that this is due to systemd? I will be happy when I install Fedora one day and realise systemd has been replaced by sysvinit or upstart or something else that is better and has some element of backwards compabaility) Cheers Dan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
F20 USB install broken?
Hi, I was trying to install Fedora 20 on a Dell Latitute e6530 using a USB stick. It doesn't work. Various errors occur. From USB device will not accept address during initial boot, to being dropped to a dracut shell with a similar error, to Cannot find a suitable stage1 device after the installer UI starts and I try to partition disks. At the very least, I have had to do the following: Boot fedora Switch to a shell Manually delete partitions using fdisk Reboot Still can't get fedora to install using USB Reboot Try again Give up. Surprisingly, my DVD drive popped opens when rebooting from a USB install. I have just burnt a F20 ISO, and it seems to be installing on my second attempt. It has actually recognized the fact I deleted partitions to free up space, where these didn't seem to be happening on USB installs. Yep, I probably should have used fedup, but this is how I have installed new releases of Redhat/Fedora since the 1990s. Clearly, USB installs of Fedora 20 have issues on modern Dell hardware. Thanks. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F20 USB install broken?
Hi Chris, Yes I did verify the ISO file checksum on download, but I did not do a media verification. Some further info, I could only get the installer UI when doing an EFI boot. Doing a legacy boot would not yeild a GUI at all, just a dracut shell, and complaints about USB devices not accepting addresses. I just rebooted to the same USB stick, and it PASSed media verification. So that rules out a corrupt install image. Cheers, Dan On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.comwrote: On Jan 15, 2014, at 8:16 PM, Dan Irwin rummymob...@gmail.com wrote: Clearly, USB installs of Fedora 20 have issues on modern Dell hardware. Without more information it seems doubtful as it's common hardware. It's more likely that this is a bad USB transfer. I've had all sorts of funky weird behavior with bad USB creation, and invariably when I shasum256 the squash.img, it doesn't have the correct hash. How did you create the USB stick? Did you verify the ISO download? Did you choose the media verification boot option? Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Fedora 18: Mouse regressions
The touchpad on my laptop is only good as a basic mouse. I can't use any gestures, and I can't see any options to enable them. Am I missing something? Also, Paint and paste (To borrow a term from an earlier thread here) is broken. In a terminal, I like to highlight text, and click to paste. This does not work, and I don't like it. Can anyone point me at any documentation on how to fix these things? And are these regressions, or has someone decided this functionality is no longer required? I know there has been debate by the fdo people about the multitude of clipboard mechanisms, and removing some. Hopefully the missing Paint and paste isnt the result of this. Thank you all. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Re: About that installer...
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 2:48 AM, Tony Camuso tcam...@redhat.com wrote: But, yes, if F17 installs to that partition and F18 does not, then it's a regression. Has the original poster filed a bugzilla on this yet? No he hasn't, for various reasons :-) Should I file one? I have nothing but a vague memory of the sequence of the problems/dialogs. So, an update. I just attempted to install F18 over the top of F17. And it seems to be working... I got the popup about not having enough free space, so I clicked to delete /boot and / from F17, pressed continue, and the installer liked it. Right now its probably 75% done installing packages. What is different now? sda3 and sda4 are formatted, operational, linux partitions. Before they were empty, unpartitioned space, or in one case, empty unformatted partitions. And in the time I have taken to type this email, the install is done. Seriously. Welcome screen done. One operational F18 laptop. Happy days. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: About that installer...
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: I see you've moved on from this now, but can you remember whether you tried the continue button at the bottom right of the destination screen please? http://imalone.fedorapeople.org/DSCN5493.JPG The screen would look like this: http://imalone.fedorapeople.org/partitioncustom.png I don't recall, but I think YES. The reason I say yes is the installer has driven me back to the hub screen numerous times, but continued to highlight the storage as needing attention before i could install. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: About that installer...
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: I think you should say *exactly* what you did with fdisk, each step. Because it still sounds like what you think is creating free space, probably isn't the same as what we might have done. What i did exactly with fdisk was this: Switch to a vc Delete /dev/sda3 Switch back to installer No difference in behaviour, reboot confirm no /dev/sda3 exists (fedora installer did not show /dev/sda3) would not auto partition the drive Afterwards, the following partitions existed: /dev/sda1 (Dell system) 30 MB or so /dev/sda2 (Dell recovery) 15 GB or so Thanks. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: About that installer...
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. eoconno...@gmail.com wrote: Only because you have data on there is why you're trying it this way? My sister had a similar problem, but the solution was so left-of-center that I just had to have her do it again on a spare machine JUST to see it for myself. Basically all she did was: Set the PC to get Fedora to boot from the CD-ROM drive Installed a standard version of Windows 7 on it. (Which created the MBR / NTFS files system etc The after it had finished, she installed Fedora 18 on the same machine (overwriting the Windows 7 of course!) and the machine formatted itself perfectly Don't know if there's something wonky with your HDD?...maybe you need to have it blown away using something like System Rescue CD?...or CloneZilla (I know..it says CLONE...but it's also got some disk formatting tools on it as well that might be useful!) I think all of these arguments are moot. The installer (specifically, partitioning) is badly broken in F18 compared to F17, F16, or pretty much any other fedora version. Fact is, F17 behaved as expected, and I didn't even need to review partitioning after telling it to resize /dev/sda3 (NTFS). The only thing wonky here is fedora or redhat's strategy to kill off old anaconda, and re-write it, without thoroughly testing it. Remember when debian replaced their installer? They beta tested it for years before it became the default installer (in what, debian 4 or 5?) Cheers -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: About that installer...
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: To be clear, you've wiped all the partitions on the disc, but the installer is refusing to allocate new ones? Not quite. I blew away the big windows partition, but I left the Dell system and recovery partitions. Which equates to about 15 gig of space. I imagine if I blew away those partitions too, then Fedora 18 would install. But I do like keeping the Dell stuff around, for emergencies. So with 100+ gig of free space and 2 system partitions, Fedora did not install. Have you tried booting the installer again? It may be the best way to ensure the partition table is re-read. Yep. Multiple times. At what point does it tell you 'error checking storage configuration' and what does fdisk -l on the disc show? This is on the main installer screen in F18. fdisk -l shows two partitions (Dell system and recovery). Thanks. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: About that installer...
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 08:36:18 +1000 Dan Irwin wrote: I imagine if I blew away those partitions too, then Fedora 18 would install. But I do like keeping the Dell stuff around, for emergencies. Why? The only thing the dell tools can recover is windows, and you blew that away already. Correct that I blew away Windows. The recovery partition should allow me to re-install windows, if I wanted to. I don't want to. The other partition probably contains diagnostic tools, but I havnt looked into that on this laptop. My old 2008 model certainly still has it's Dell system/recovery and windows partitions in tact. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: About that installer...
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: At what point does it tell you 'error checking storage configuration' and what does fdisk -l on the disc show? This is on the main installer screen in F18. The 'hub' model means I'm going to have to ask at which point, because you end up back at the main installer screen after configuring things, which can be done in any order so far as I know. So is this, for example, after configuring the installation destination or before? Will it even let you into the installation destination menus? I think, from memory, this hub screen appears with an indicator claiming that I need to do something about storage. So I click into it, do the delete/preserve stuff, and i get bumped back to the hub, where it again tells me I need to do something about storage. Going around in circles, I can progress further, but at no stage do I ever tell the installer where to install. I have attempted to manually make / and /home partitions using the installer. Doing so drops me back to the hub, again with the indicator telling me to fix storage... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: About that installer...
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Dan Irwin rummymob...@gmail.com wrote: The recovery partition should allow me to re-install windows, if I wanted to. I don't want to. So I re-installed Windows, which took about 5 minutes. Back to factory. Now I am installing Fedora 17 netinst iso, and so far I have: - booted - told it to resize sda3, which is the windows partition - told it *nothing* else about partitioning, or swap, or anything else, and it seems to be working just fine. Now for the tough question. Should I just stick with F17, or use this fedup to go to F18? I imagine the distro is probably pretty good, once past anaconda. Plenty of time to decide. Doing the netinst over a 3mbps dsl line... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
About that installer...
So I'm trying to get F18 onto my new Dell laptop (e6530). Not surprisingly, it's not working. The installer won't let me install. It won't find free space. It won't shrink partitions. I even dropped to a shell, and used fdisk to blow away my windows 7 partition, and the installer still doesn't work properly! I have now tried to manually partition, and the installer tells me Error checking storage configuration. I have not had issues like this installing Linux since the mid 1990s. And even then, I was able to complete and install. Today, in 2013, with all the knowledge and experience I have, I cannot seem to get F18 onto my laptop. In frustration, I went and installed a F18 VM on my old laptop. When the VM has an empty, unpartitioned disk, the install worked perfectly. Why has this been broken so bad? What was so bad about the old installer? The ability to manually create LVMs and partitions would is a panacea compared to this mess in F18. Seriously. This is pathetic. So, right now, I have a laptop without any OS. Useful! Notes: Yeah, I should have beta tested. But that was hard considering I only received my new laptop on Friday. I'm not blaming anyone for my deletion of my own OS. Fedora should not outright remove and replace features, and expect to have such features restorred within the usual 6 month release schedule. Who the hell signed off on this? Linux distros need to learn to not cater for novices. If you can't partition, you shouldn't be running Linux. As this has descended into rant material, I am going to choose to stop now. Come on Fedora, shape up. You can do better than this. Time to find a Fedora 17 ISO somewhere on my net... Cheers, Dan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: About that installer...
It might, if I had a Fedora 17 ISO or installer on my network. I am just downloading the netinst iso, in the hope I can get a working OS on this laptop. I do have a CentOS mirror locally, and noticed 6.4 has started to come in. That is my other option right now. On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Eddie O'Connor eoconno...@gmail.com wrote: What about installing F17 doing the fedup procedure?... might that work? On Mar 11, 2013 12:32 AM, Dan Irwin rummymob...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm trying to get F18 onto my new Dell laptop (e6530). Not surprisingly, it's not working. The installer won't let me install. It won't find free space. It won't shrink partitions. I even dropped to a shell, and used fdisk to blow away my windows 7 partition, and the installer still doesn't work properly! I have now tried to manually partition, and the installer tells me Error checking storage configuration. I have not had issues like this installing Linux since the mid 1990s. And even then, I was able to complete and install. Today, in 2013, with all the knowledge and experience I have, I cannot seem to get F18 onto my laptop. In frustration, I went and installed a F18 VM on my old laptop. When the VM has an empty, unpartitioned disk, the install worked perfectly. Why has this been broken so bad? What was so bad about the old installer? The ability to manually create LVMs and partitions would is a panacea compared to this mess in F18. Seriously. This is pathetic. So, right now, I have a laptop without any OS. Useful! Notes: Yeah, I should have beta tested. But that was hard considering I only received my new laptop on Friday. I'm not blaming anyone for my deletion of my own OS. Fedora should not outright remove and replace features, and expect to have such features restorred within the usual 6 month release schedule. Who the hell signed off on this? Linux distros need to learn to not cater for novices. If you can't partition, you shouldn't be running Linux. As this has descended into rant material, I am going to choose to stop now. Come on Fedora, shape up. You can do better than this. Time to find a Fedora 17 ISO somewhere on my net... Cheers, Dan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: empathy - is it for real?
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote: I've seen some Empathy crashes 6+ months ago, but nothing lately. Did you file bugs for the crashers? Have they've been handled / forwarded upstream? No, not yet. I was mainly fishing to see if anyone else has the problems i am seeing. Given the small number of replies, I can assume one of two things: 1) Not many people actually use empathy, or 2) Others are not seeing the problems I am. If i can pinpoint some consistent buggy/bad behaviour, I will submit some reports to bugzilla. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
empathy - is it for real?
Hi list, This is a bit of a rant about empathy. This has to be the buggiest, least user friendly application on Fedora. And we choose it as our default IM client. Why? I did a quick scan of the list, and I don't see much traffic about empathy. Surely It's not just me. Over several successive versions (Since Fedora 10), empathy has never just worked or worked right on my laptop. It will crash. Modules will crash. People will complain that I am signed in and ignoring them, when I don't appear to have empathy even running. While I have persisted with it, empathy seems exceptionally bad in Fedora 16. I have now removed all accounts from empathy, and gone back to pidgin. Result? IM which works, behaves, and seems sane. I think the concept of empathy/telepathy is great. The implementation is about as far from great as one could get. Surely I am not the only one who has these experiences and thoughts. Thanks for reading. Regards, Dan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
F13 OpenJDK bugs ?
Is anyone else seeing major stability issues with OpenJDK on F13? I can reliably kill Netbeans by repeatedly resizing any dialog window before swing gets a chance to repaint. This does not happen when using Sun 1.6.20. If anyone is interested, I used abrt to report this to bugzilla. See 603962. Regards, Dan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: EPEL clamav packages
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Felix Schwarz felix.schw...@oss.schwarz.eu wrote: Some also have security impact. Basically the problem is that it is extremly hard to provide the ABI/config stability for clamav. Combined with a few questionable decisions when it came to packaging + a not-so-active maintainer and we have a basically orphaned package in EPEL. This poses the question, is EPEL the ideal place for clamav when it's a constantly moving target? Maybe fedora/epel needs something akin to the debian volatile repo for things like clamav. (We probably already have this in conceptual terms from rpmforge) Regards, Dan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: EPEL clamav packages
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: I would guess that terming rpmforge as 'volatile' would depend upon who you ask - I doubt Dag would agree. I tend to think of rpmforge as necessary for running CentOS/RHEL servers and think of EPEL as more 'volatile' Sorry, I didn't actually say rpmforge is volatile. To clarify: EPEL requires that packages have consistent configuration and abi compatibility. This is a core requirement for inclusion into EPEL. Given that clamav is a constantly moving target, maybe EPEL isn't the best place for it. We do, however, have good packages for clamav from rpmforge. Obviously these packages are updated frequently, and don't have the configuration and abi compatibility required for EPEL. My comment regarding having a repo like debian volatile was to provide a repo for RHEL/CentOS users which contains packages which don't guarantee the required compatability. Which is basically what the clamav packages on rpmforge provide. Or we could let epel orphan clamav in EPEL6 and just use rpmforge... Dan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
EPEL clamav packages
Hello, I couldn't find a EPEL users list, so I'm posting here. The clamav packages in EPEL are quite broken, and don't work out of the box. I think this has been the case for many months. Is there a current maintainer for clamav in EPEL? If not, what is required to take this role over. I have the necessary skills, and I have a working clamav install based on the broken EPEL packages. I would like to contribute this work so next time I install a server with clamav, it just works. On the off chance I'm doing this wrong, is there a better source for clamav packages for RHEL/CentOS? Regards, Dan (Long time list subscriber and RH/Fedora user) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: EPEL clamav packages
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: yes, rpmforge Fedora/EPEL clamav seems to really lag behind releases Cool. I will look into this. I had forgotten about rpmforge for some reason. Cheers, Dan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Audio skips in rhythmbox, fine in other gnome apps
Hello, Is anyone else experiencing an issue where audio in rhythmbox skips way more then it should? For the record I don't think this is a pulseaudio issue. If I open a folder containing mp3s in gnome, and hover my mouse cursor over a file, the file plays flawlessly (I assume through gstreamer and pulseaudio). Playing the same file in rhythmbox can sometimes skip. I have also loaded up albums in vlc and played with skipping. I have loaded up songs in the gnome movie player, again without issue. This seems to be related to rhythmbox only, and is bloody hard to reproduce. Sometimes songs will skip, and If i restart rhythmbox, the same song will play without issue. Or should I just switch to amarok or another decent player? Cheers, Dan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Xorg 1.7.5, Xinerama, and LeftOf screens
I'm not sure what setup you have, but I can use tools inside gnome to
specify where each display sits (Preferences Display). Intel
graphics, dell laptop, using inbuilt lcd panel and external 22 inch
lcd over vga. This is using Fedora 12. I imagine most setups don't yet
work this easily in linux.
Cheers,
Dan
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:58 AM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote:
In case anyone else can benefit from this... I just spent 2-3 days
hacking on the X server to get a screen to the left of the main screen
working with Xinerama (no, I can't use Xrandr). Here's the patch
(yes, I'll mail it to xorg too).
--- xorg-server-1.7.5/dix/events.c 2010-02-28 20:41:58.0 -0500
+++ xorg-server-1.7.5.dj/dix/events.c 2010-02-28 20:56:52.0 -0500
@@ -765,5 +765,5 @@
if (pSprite-hotShape)
ConfineToShape(pDev, pSprite-hotShape, new.x, new.y);
- if ((pScreen != pSprite-hotPhys.pScreen) ||
+ if ((noPanoramiXExtension (pScreen != pSprite-hotPhys.pScreen)) ||
(new.x != pSprite-hotPhys.x) || (new.y != pSprite-hotPhys.y))
{
@@ -1164,6 +1164,6 @@
}
#endif
- pSprite-hotPhys.x = event-root_x;
- pSprite-hotPhys.y = event-root_y;
+ pSprite-hotPhys.x = (signed short)event-root_x;
+ pSprite-hotPhys.y = (signed short)event-root_y;
/* do motion compression, but not if from different devices */
if (tail
@@ -1314,5 +1314,5 @@
syncEvents.replayDev = (DeviceIntPtr)NULL;
- w = XYToWindow(replayDev, event-root_x, event-root_y);
+ w = XYToWindow(replayDev, (signed short)event-root_x, (signed
short)event-root_y);
for (i = 0; i replayDev-spriteInfo-sprite-spriteTraceGood; i++)
{
@@ -2821,6 +2821,6 @@
}
- pSprite-hot.x = ev-root_x;
- pSprite-hot.y = ev-root_y;
+ pSprite-hot.x = (signed short)ev-root_x;
+ pSprite-hot.y = (signed short)ev-root_y;
if (pSprite-hot.x pSprite-physLimits.x1)
pSprite-hot.x = pSprite-physLimits.x1;
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Re: Turning off ipv6
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:48 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: No doubt IP6 will eventually arrive because it will become necessary, but the chances of a significant number of end-users demanding it are close to zero And while none of the users who have a need ask (eg: yourself) the ISPs won't do anything about it. You appear to have a need (eg your OS supports it, but your lack of connectivity is the problem). as long as it provides no obvious benefit to them. And I include myself in that group. Clearly it provides a benefit. The existence of IPv6 in the kernel is obviously causing problems. Why fight the inevitable? The funny thing is, it's probably easier to connect to a tunnel broker than to try out all the things suggested in this thread. The last time I configured a network for IPv6, we already had IPv6 capable routers and switches. A five minute job on a cisco router, a two minute job on some L3 switches, and our network was able to connect to IPv6. Having done it before helps. Cheers, Dan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NetworkManager, dbus, 3G USB Modems and SMS
Hello, That looks like a good solution. The only problem I foresee that gammu won't be able to access /dev/ttyUSBn while NetworkManager has an active connection using the same device. Still, it looks like the best solution so far, even if I have to disconnect the broadband. My hope is that I can write something myself to talk to NetworkManager or ModemManager via dbus to work around the fact that /dev/ttyUSBn is locked. Cheers, Dan On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Nicolae Ghimbovschi xfreeb...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, You could try to use gammu to read/send sms-es. Here is a link on how to use it with a huawei e160 http://tensixtyone.com/perma/howto-send-sms-using-a-huawei-e160g-and-debian I tested with my huawei e180, and I was able to send/recieve sms-es, read/write contact book. There is an frontend for it, is called wammu. yum install gammu wammu -y On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:04, Dan Irwin rummymob...@gmail.com wrote: I'm pretty sure I'm not posting this question to the best place, but here goes. Can I write a program which will talk to NetworkManager or ModemManager over dbus to send and receive sms messages? Will this work while connected to a mobile broadband service on the same modem? Is anyone out there already working on something like this? I imagine the ideal solution is some kind of sms service provider, which itself could be accessed via dbus, with integration in email or IM clients. Rationale: I have a 3G usb modem which i use to connect to mobile broadband. This service is pretty much connected whenever I use my computer. Often my provider sends SMS messages to the number of the usb modem, for example, to give warnings about going over quota (which I recently did). I would love a way to access these messages while connected to mobile broadband. Cheers, Dan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 'R' statistics package install on Fedora 12
AFAIK It's already in Fedora 12. Obviously a yum search '*r*' will return meaningless results, but it is there. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Jay_Linux jaylinu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I would like to install the 'R' statistics package on Fedora 12 (x86), and checked the R-Project page (http://www.r-project.org/) for a Fedora 12 package, however there were only RPM's for Fedora 10 and 11 (http://www.stats.bris.ac.uk/R/, also at other d/l mirrors). How can one install 'R' on Fedora 12 ? Thanks, Jay -- Linux User 483705 @ http://counter.li.org/ (Linux Counter) Fedora 12 Smolt PC Hardware Profile: http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_943fc961-4f49-49a3-8bc1-d7a86e57ce3e -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
