Re: the separate /usr subthread
Matthew Miller mattdm at fedoraproject.org writes: On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 09:50:10AM -0700, Howard Howell wrote: It's important to realize that you *can* have a separate /usr -- it just really needs to be available at boot time. That means you can have separate mount options, filesystems, partition constraints, or whatever. It just doesn't work anymore to have it on a network share or (if anyone ever did this!) removable media added after initial boot. But in the modern business environment, users log in from multiple places. How does that work if the user directory is local? On modern Linux/Unix, the /usr directory holds system binaries and libraries -- it is not the user directory. On Fedora (and most Linux systems), that is /home. And there's no problem sharing that over the network. The funny thing is that back in the earliest days of Unix, /usr is where user directories lived. When KR ran out of room in / for programs, they looked to for a partition that had additional space available and it was /usr. Originally programs ended up in /usr/bin simply because there wasn't room for them in /bin; not for some usage reason. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Do any systemd devs actually use it on a server?
Tom Horsley horsley1953 at gmail.com writes: This bugzilla is absurd: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1043212 I've just added a new entry to it because last night's disruption corrupted the binary format journal files and sent rsyslogd into a 100% cpu loop even after a reboot. SNIP It seems pretty clear no testing of systemd has been done on systems that are up 24/7 and need to survive a run of cron.daily . Enterprise customers are gonna love RHEL 7... SARCASM But Tom, surely most desktop users of Fedora don't leave their systems up 24x7. The easy solution is to remove cron.d daily. After all, the scripts it runs will probably just try to e-mail the results and there's no MTA since desktop users don't need that either. /SARCASM Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Adding mail aliases
Robert Moskowitz rgm at htt-consult.com writes: So I have been taught it is not enough to edit /etc/aliases, you also have to run newaliases to update /etc/aliases.db. Both these files exist in the base install, along with mailx. But newaliases does NOT exist. A 'quick' yum whatprovides shows that newaliases is installed along with any of: exim, sendmail, postfix, or ssmtp :( So does mailx use /etc/aliases.db? If it does, why no newaliases, and how to install only newaliases, not a whole MTA? Well for now, I can quite live with root mail going to root's maildir. From the mailx man page: Personal and systemwide distribution lists It is also possible to create a personal distribution lists so that, for instance, the user can send mail to 'cohorts' and have it go to a group of people. Such lists can be defined by placing a line like alias cohorts bill ozalp jkf mark kridle@ucbcory in the file .mailrc in the user's home directory. The current list of such aliases can be displayed with the alias command in mailx. System wide distribution lists can be created by editing /etc/aliases, see aliases(5) and sendmail(8); these are kept in a different syntax. In mail the user sends, personal aliases will be expanded in mail sent to others so that they will be able to reply to the recipients. System wide aliases are not expanded when the mail is sent, but any reply returned to the machine will have the system wide alias expanded as all mail goes through sendmail. ~~~ So, the answer is that you can create aliases in mailx but these are different than /etc/aliases. Sounds like a historical artifact that came into existence when mailx was created as mail eXtended and it was reasonable to just want to send mail to folks who resided on the same system as you with no MTA involved. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix
Chris Murphy lists at colorremedies.com writes: On Jan 2, 2014, at 3:42 PM, Lars E. Pettersson lars at homer.se wrote: On 01/02/2014 11:31 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Yes, all critical notifications are supposed to stay persistent. That is the right model to alert desktop users about anything relevant enough to bother them with. Not emails. Works OK on a desktop, but how is the home server use case, where the user is not logged in on the computer, supposed to be handled? Regarding emails. I still have not gotten any response from anyone on how to handle the output from, as an example, cron, logwatch, etc. Hopefully someone could tell how that is supposed top be taken care of now that the MTA is removed. If you like the MTA method of being notified, install an MTA. Simple. You have been told this numerous times so don't say you haven't gotten any responses. That would involve both adding to the journal, and notify the user, and/or other actions. Shouldn't that have been addressed *before* removing the MTA? No because no one was getting messages with the MTA unless they went looking for them in the first place. And now they merely have one more step which is installing the MTA of their choice, which for a lot of Fedora users wasn't sendmail anyway. Sendmail was taking up space on the install media, on users computers, for no benefit for the vast majority of users. I don't know how many times this has to be said - look at the number of unique individuals involved in the conversation in this thread? It's less than a dozen. So we're talking thousands of users, and less than 12 give a crap whether an MTA is installed by default or not. It's really close to zero people care about it. Chris Murphy Chris - This is as close as I can get to the end of this discussion since I get the digest so it will have to do. I've seen you claim over and over that no one uses e-mail for system notifications. This is the exact opposite of my experience (30+ years with computers, 25+ years with Unix systems and 15+ years with Linux including currently working as a Linux/Unix engineer). Do you have *ANY* independently verifiable numbers to back up your claim? My experience has been that Linux newbies don't know about root e-mail and go whining on various discussion boards about how they didn't know that there was a problem until someone points them to root e-mail and e-mail aliases. If these are the no one uses e-mail people you're claiming is everyone then you're listening to the wrong people. Or is it just that these are the people you agree with? Personally, I find the Windows practice of hiding notifications behind an inscrutable event log interface to be far, far worse than getting e-mail notifications. I'll take logwatch e-mails any day over an event log since it also lets me watch for trends or anomalies that may not break a reporting threshold. Likewise, I compare the typical event API notification to being like the idiot lights most cars come with. You know, the over temperature light that comes one AFTER steam is coming out from under the hood or the tire pressure warning light that comes on as you pull off the road with a flat? I have not had the displeasure of trying F-20 without an MTA yet. When I do, I will install an MTA so I can monitor the system the same way I monitor my other systems. I just hope I don't have to write a perl script to take output from journalctl and e-mail me when something important happens. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f20 - gedit
Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan at gmail.com writes: On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Tom Horsley horsley1953 at gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 00:35:45 -0300 Germán A. Racca wrote: Anyway, it is safer to use something like VIM to edit files as root, I only tested gedit because I saw your email, but as root I use only VIM to edit files :) This again? Please give a link to the giant list of exploits that have actually happened because someone ran a GUI program as root. I keep seeing this warning, yet no one has ever provided an actual example of any kind of root exploit happening. IIRC most comments are about not running the desktop itself as root, rather than specific apps. poc I've found it isn't even something external or malicious. More along the lines of X won't start and one needs to edit xorg.conf (or its predecessors) to fix it using vim or emacs. I've seen people re-install because they couldn't fix X without a GUI editor or broke it worse because they totally jacked up xorg.conf using vi. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora's audience
Tim ignored_mailbox at yahoo.com.au writes: Allegedly, on or about 04 December 2013, Frank sent: Guess all the 'younger' members are afraid to reply :) Oi! insert some rude/nice/amusing old person insult I'm middle-aged. I've played with computers since before the PC days (sending punch cards in the post), ignored the C64 but used alternatives in the same era, had fun with the Amiga while avoiding the hideous DOS/Windows world that I saw at the school I worked at, got into Linux with Red Hat Linux 6 (the first one that would actually install on my hardware), then migrated over to Fedora when Red Hat changed the gameplan (and that did annoy a lot of people). I've dabbled with other Linuxes and BSD, enough to think they're much of a muchness (similar or balanced capabilities, limits, and annoyances), but different enough that I stuck with what I got used to. How about I'm 57 and started with Red Hat Linux 5.0 in 1998 as my first Linux install. Before that I worked on HP-UX, Solaris (and when it was still SunOS), CDCs, VAXen and IBM big iron. I still have a punch card around here some place. I run CentOS or Scientific Linux on the boxes I need stable and Fedora on more recent hardware or where I need something closer to bleeding edge. Dabbled with Ubuntu, Mint and Gentoo. Didn't like them. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: C programs and architectures (use on Fedora)
Mihai T. Lazarescu mtlagm at gmail.com writes: On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 05:55:37PM -0500, Ranjan Maitra wrote: Hi, I have obtained a set of open-source programs from http://petertoft.dk/PhD/Recon2D.tar.gz uncompressed, etc, and it all goes through fine. When I compile, the programs work fine on my old 32-bit machine (results make sense), however there is a segmentation fault on my 64-bit laptop. I compile using: gcc -c -I../include -O3 -finline-functions -Winline -Wall -falign-loops=2 -falign-jumps=2 -falign-functions=2 -Wstrict-prototypes . (Note that I had to fix the makefiles in there.) Btw, I don't know if this could have anything to do with it, but this set of programs were written in 1996 (when 64-bit probably did not even exist at all). Also, all the code uses single-precision (floats) rather than my preferred doubles. (Which makes me ask: is it possible to go into all the many files and convert all the floats into doubles using some command? ) You can add -m32 to gcc arguments. Mihai I have to second Mihai's advice. I'm currently doing some contract work porting a rather large and very crufty C application from Solaris to Linux for a national telecom. The program actually was running under OS/2 at one time and had it's roots on PrimOS. We initially started out also going to 64 bit and had to backtrack. See how your program runs on the 64 bit box when compiled as a 32 bit application. Then decide whether to change the floats to longs first or to port it to 64 bit. The other advice on debugging is spot on. Compile with -g and run it under the debugger of your choice. gdb works fine for this. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Laptop screen blank when using second monitor
Oliver Ruebenacker curoli at gmail.com writes: Hello, Until this morning, my Lenovo Thinkpad T430 running KDE on Fedora 19 was working fine sitting on a base with a second monitor attached. I removed it from the base and connected another second monitor (a projector) and things were still fine. When I put it back into the base, the laptop screen went blank, and it was using only the second screen. When I remove it from the base, it uses the built-in screen, but as soon as I put it into the base, it only uses the second screen. Interestingly, when I restart, it uses both screens properly until after I log in. Any advice? Thanks! SNIP I had an HP laptop that decided that the brightness of the built-in display should be set to zero when an external monitor was attached. Doesn't sound like the same thing because of the different behavior between KDE and Gnome. You might try hitting the hardware brightness up button a few times just to see though. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Mouse button debouncing
John Pilkington J.Pilk at tesco.net writes: On 19/08/13 21:22, David G. Miller wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan at gmail.com writes: I have a Logitech Bluetooth mouse which I'm fairly sure has a hardware problem. The left button frequently issues two click events in rapid succession when pressed only once. Is there a way to tell X that two such events in under some threshold should count as one? I've Googled and other people have had similar problems (not specifically with this mouse) but there are no clear answers. I'd rather not have to drop $50 or so on a new BT mouse. Using KDE 4.10 under Fedora 19, up to date as of today. poc Interesting. I have a USB Logitech mouse that I had assumed was just clicked out becuase it's doing the same thing. Really tired of doing things like deleting more than one e-mail at a time because the mouse is sending multiple button action events for what is supposed to be a single click. I've also had problems with drag and drop type actions (i.e., both a button down and a button up event appear to be sent even though I'm holding the button down) so just fixing the double click sensetivity isn't the end of your mouse problem. Replace or, as per the other response, repair it (I'd probably burn the house down if I went after it with a soldering iron so I'll replace mine). Cheers, Dave This sounds very much like what I have been seeing recently. It's almost as if clicks are being fed into a buffer in groups and counted out in groups of a different size; there seems to be something cyclical about it. I think it started around the time that I installed kde 4.10.5 on f17 immediately before f17 went EOL, in response to a plea for karma from Rex. Since then I've FedUp-ed to f18 and mouse control is still workable but irritatingly unpredictable. Gateway USB optical mouse, ~2006. John P Irritatingly unpredictable is exactly what I was seeing. It would work fine for a while and then switch to ptoducing a random number of button events for a given click. I could even see this if I was attempting to drag and drop something since the hand icon would litterally open and close even though the left button was being continuously held down. I would have to wait until it setlled into a button down state before dragging whatever it was. Even then it would sometimes randomly produce a button up event and the drag would end up someplace other than what I wanted. New mouse installed last night. Works great. A click is a click is a click It's some OEM brand I had never heard of but it was the only USB wired mouse that my local Best Buy had. I usually buy hardware at our local Micro Center but that is about 15 miles away and I couldn't see going that far just to save a couple of bucks and get their never heard of before brnad OEM mouse. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Mouse button debouncing
Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan at gmail.com writes: I have a Logitech Bluetooth mouse which I'm fairly sure has a hardware problem. The left button frequently issues two click events in rapid succession when pressed only once. Is there a way to tell X that two such events in under some threshold should count as one? I've Googled and other people have had similar problems (not specifically with this mouse) but there are no clear answers. I'd rather not have to drop $50 or so on a new BT mouse. Using KDE 4.10 under Fedora 19, up to date as of today. poc Interesting. I have a USB Logitech mouse that I had assumed was just clicked out becuase it's doing the same thing. Really tired of doing things like deleting more than one e-mail at a time because the mouse is sending multiple button action events for what is supposed to be a single click. I've also had problems with drag and drop type actions (i.e., both a button down and a button up event appear to be sent even though I'm holding the button down) so just fixing the double click sensetivity isn't the end of your mouse problem. Replace or, as per the other response, repair it (I'd probably burn the house down if I went after it with a soldering iron so I'll replace mine). Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts
Rick Stevens ricks at alldigital.com writes: On 07/23/2013 02:02 PM, Darryl L. Pierce issued this missive: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:52:06PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 23.07.2013 22:39, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 04:35:44PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: I'm snipping all of this tripe. Gang, can we PLEASE drop this thread? It's degenerated into a he said this, the other guy said that diatribe. It serves no useful purpose for the forum and simply wastes bandwidth. I, for one, am now adding a filter to /dev/null all messages with this subject. Hear! Hear! Gentle-people of the list, the problem of perceived ill behavior is probably as old as the original Usenet. Terms like flaming, flame war and flamebait were around long before Linus created his first program, let alone gave us Linux. There will always be responses you perceive as being rude, nasty and uncalled for. Some such behavior can be traced to cultural differences, some to miss-communication and. sometimes, some people just take pleasure in being a know-it-all jerk. If you get individual e-mails from the list, feel free to set up a rule in your mail client to route e-mails from people you perceive as fitting this last category to /dev/null. Please, do not ask the moderators to play God and distinguish a valid but harsh response from flamage. For those of us who receive the digest, I find a glass of wine or a beer helps when dealing with those who contribute too much noise and not enough content. Now, can we drop this thread? Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]
Fernando Lozano fernando at lozano.eti.br writes: Hi, [As I changed the subject, let me clear: IPv6 still compiled in the kernel. Just the network interfaces configs SNIP Perhaps Fedora is the wrong distribution for you. The whole idea behind Fedora is for it to be an engineering proving ground where new technologies (like IPv6) are rolled out for real world use. In the case of IPv6, this includes hopefully providing the tools required for users to be able to securely run a Fedora system with IPv6 enabled. If there is a problem with the tools provided then the answer is to fix the tools and/or provide additional tools; not pull back from a technology that IS coming. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Scanner recommendations needed
Philippe LeCavalier support at plecavalier.com writes: On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 8:00 AM, Tom Horsley horsley1953 at gmail.com wrote:I remember I once went through the entire list of supported scanners on the sane web site and searched for each one on the office depot and staples web sites. Not a single scanner in the supported list was actually sold in a store you could walk into and buy one from . +1 I was doing some work which required scanning and went through that same. I eventually just asked a buddy who owns a retail store and he grabbed one out of his graveyard of parts and I've relied on it ever since. People don't really buy standalone scanners anymore. Snicker. Using: [dave@waste ~]# cat /proc/scsi/scsi Attached devices: Host: scsi1 Channel: 00 Id: 02 Lun: 00 Vendor: HP Model: C5110A Rev: 3638 Type: ProcessorANSI SCSI revision: 02 Got it at what was for all intents and purposes a yard sale about 10 years ago for $10. Still works great using Xsane. Kind of goofy to still populate a box with an Adaptec SCSI adapter just so I can hang a scanner off of it. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
F19 xfce bug or SL6 KVM bug?
Just installed F19 as a KVM guest with Scientific Linux 6.4 as the host OS. Here's the oddity. The mouse cursor is invisible from the time the GUI comes until I start a terminal window. I can login with no problems since the login window gets focus on start up. I can make a reasonable guess at how I need to move the mouse to get to the start terminal icon and click it. Or I can move the mouse around until some other hot spot highlights and click that. So far no other application has caused the cursor to reveal itself. Once it's visible, it works fine. Same behavior after install F19 from the Xfce spin image and after doing a yum update. The cursor behaves normally when I boot from the spin iso. SL 6.4 host is current on updates. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Hard drive warning at boot time
Paul Smith phhs80 at gmail.com writes: On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 6:48 AM, David G. Miller dave at davenjudy.org wrote: Chiming in with some additional information that only *partially* contradicts certain things that have been said in this thread. First off though, the advice that drives are cheap and data is expensive is absolutely correct. Do NOT let anything I say talk you out of making sure any critical data on this drive is backed up. SNIP. Thanks, Dave, for your very clarifying answer. Should I conclude from your words that I have already some corrupted files? If so, is there some way to identify them? Paul Paul - Finding the files that may have been corrupted by a block going bad is a fairly long and involved process described here: http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/badblockhowto.html For almost anything other than text files, finding the file that has a corrupted block doesn't do you any good unless you have a backup copy. But, if you don't, at least you know which file is probably not usable anymore. For any installed application or OS files, you can always just re-install the package. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Hard drive warning at boot time
Chiming in with some additional information that only *partially* contradicts certain things that have been said in this thread. First off though, the advice that drives are cheap and data is expensive is absolutely correct. Do NOT let anything I say talk you out of making sure any critical data on this drive is backed up. Given that tee-up, smartctl/smartd reports that the disk has an uncorrectable bad sector when there is a read error from the drive for a sector. The error is uncorrectable because the sector cannot be read. Note that the detection of a bad read (or write) takes place at the physical and drive firmware level when the CRC is checked. The only thing that the drive has to work with is that there was an attempt to read a sector and that read resulted in a CRC error. The bad sector is part of a file and only you, the user, can make a determination as to whether the rest of the file is still good or if the bad sector is throwing a CRC error but the file is still usable. That's also why the error is uncorrctable. The drive doesn't have enough information to fix it and it can't silently remap the sector since it can't read the data. If it did, you would end up with a file with a null sector somewhere in it at the location that corresponds to the bad sector's data. Write errors the drive takes care of through the reallocation process mentioned earlier in the thread (since data is being written, any existing data is being replaced so the data can be written to a remapped sector). Read errors the drive can only report the problem since the read error implies that data cannot be retrieved. My advice: buy a new drive but run badblocks -w on the old drive once you have your data safely off of it. You will probably find that the badbloocks write test (-w) lets the drive see the bad sector being written to and then remaps the bad sector and you end up with a drive that is now completely usable again. Be absolutely sure you have your data off of the drive before running badblocks -w. It will overwrite any data on the drive. I have recovered several drives by doing this. I've also had some that threw errors all over the place. Those became targets. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Failure to boot .... This could happen to you.
Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko at greshko.com writes: This was a bizarre coincidence but given the lesson I thought I'd offer it up. I had not updated this one system for a while so I ran yum update. Noticed that the list of updates included a kernel update and x11-drivers. Upon rebooting the system stopped/hung at Starting GNOME display manager. Everything had been running perfectly fine prior to the update. So, of course, I assumed an update was to blame. It took a bit of time, but I finally tracked down the problem to the DVI cable which had been chewed on by one of my cats. (Doing dental impressions now to find the culprit.) Replaced cable, all is well. Need to wrap my cables in chain mail. Had a similar problem when I used point-to-point wireless for my internet connectivity. A squirrel chewed through the network cable that provided power and data connectivity to the antenna on our roof. The little beggar was smart enough to only chew through the data lines and not the power lines so my ISP could still talk to the processor for the antenna. They eventually came out and replaced the line at which time I painted the cable with an oil based extreme hot sauce called Gold Cap (hated to waste the hot sauce). It worked though. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Monitor turns off on normal boot
Anthony Papillion anthony at papillion.me writes: On 05/01/2013 09:57 AM, David G. Miller wrote: Anthony Papillionanthonyat papillion.me writes: Hello Everyone, I'm having trouble getting Fedora (or Ubuntu or Windows) to do a normal boot. When I try to boot Windows or Ubuntu in normal mode, it gets to a certain point then the monitor turns off and nothing more happens. SNIP Try the brightness adjust buttons on your laptop. You didn't say what brand of laptop you have but I used an HP laptop at my previous job that would set the brightness of the laptop's display to essentially off when it booted. Since there were no errors, there were no messages. I forget how I finally discovered I just needed to hit the brighter button a few times and the display was there. Hi Dave, It's not the brightness settings, already checked that as I'd run into something similar with a Debian install a few years ago. In my case, the monitor is going into power saving mode. I'm back to Fedora 14 and I'm having no problems there. But the minuite I upgrade to 17, it will go back to kicking the monitor into PS mode on boot. Any other ideas? Thanks, Anthony For some reason I was thinking laptop. Probably because I had the problem with mine. A different suggestion: let the system come up (just wait a while) and then request an alternate console with CTRL-ALT-F2 (or whatever you favorite alternate console number is). This should work around any video mode issues for a graphic display since you get a text console. If you get a text console then the issue is probably an incompatible video mode when running in graphical mode. If you don't get a text console then your video card isn't being recognized. I'm assuming you see normal POST activity before the OS boots. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Monitor turns off on normal boot
Anthony Papillion anthony at papillion.me writes: Hello Everyone, I'm having trouble getting Fedora (or Ubuntu or Windows) to do a normal boot. When I try to boot Windows or Ubuntu in normal mode, it gets to a certain point then the monitor turns off and nothing more happens. SNIP Try the brightness adjust buttons on your laptop. You didn't say what brand of laptop you have but I used an HP laptop at my previous job that would set the brightness of the laptop's display to essentially off when it booted. Since there were no errors, there were no messages. I forget how I finally discovered I just needed to hit the brighter button a few times and the display was there. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: How to configure yum to not check for free inodes?
Clemens Eisserer linuxhippy at gmail.com writes: Hi again, I found out that the issue is within rpm, not yum. When installing rpm packages with the --ignoresize option, rpm installs fine while otherwise it complains about not enough available inodes. What I am looking for is a way to make yum pass --ignoresize to rpm automatically. Is this possible somehow? Thank you in advance, Clemens 2013/4/24 Clemens Eisserer linuxhippy at gmail.com: SNIP As a workaround you can set rpm options through /etc/rpmrc. You'll have to do the research to find out how to set it but it would then be used for all rpm transactions. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: How to configure yum to not check for free inodes?
poma pomidorabelisima at gmail.com writes: On 24.04.2013 16:58, David G. Miller wrote: Clemens Eisserer linuxhippy at gmail.com writes: […] What I am looking for is a way to make yum pass --ignoresize to rpm automatically. Is this possible somehow? Thank you in advance, Clemens 2013/4/24 Clemens Eisserer linuxhippy at gmail.com: SNIP As a workaround you can set rpm options through /etc/rpmrc. You'll have to do the research to find out how to set it but it would then be used for all rpm transactions. Cheers, Dave rpmbuild != rpm :) poma Actually, /etc/rpmrc is used by rpm; not rpmbuild. Frpmthe rpm man page: FILES rpmrc Configuration /usr/lib/rpm/rpmrc /usr/lib/rpm/redhat/rpmrc /etc/rpmrc ~/.rpmrc and from /usr/lib/rpm/rpmrc: [root@bend ~]# cat /usr/lib/rpm/rpmrc #/*! \page config_rpmrc Default configuration: /usr/lib/rpm/rpmrc # \verbatim # # This is a global RPM configuration file. All changes made here will # be lost when the rpm package is upgraded. Any per-system configuration # should be added to /etc/rpmrc, while per-user configuration should # be added to ~/.rpmrc. # # Both rpm and rpmbuild use the same rc files. Probably not the best design but take it up with the rpm project folks. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F18 fails to install on Toshiba Satellite M860
Abu Attar Musharih abuattar.musharih at gmail.com writes: On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko at greshko.com wrote: Not very familiar with it since I've got older hardware But, can you try disabling EFI/UEFI booting in your BIOS? The EFI/UEFI boot is the boot option under the menu of advanced. Unfortunately, there is no option for disabling it. It is there as a single option, so can not be changed. Is there any other option to try? Thanks in advance for any help. Regards, AAM Try Google with: Toshiba Satellite disable uefi Lots of links; just none for the M860. Might give you a hint as to how to turn off EFI/UEFI. Your best bet is to look for instructions for another system that's as close as you can find to your M860. Went through the same thing on my wife's HP laptop with Windows 8. Finally found it and it runs F18 just fine from an external hard disk so she can keep her Windows installation. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Problem with cron
Joe Zeff joe at zeff.us writes: I have my computers registered with the Linux Counter, and my main desktop machine is supposed to update its status once a week, using a cron job: # added by lico-update.sh version 0.3.14 58 11 * * 4 /home/joe/bin/lico-update.sh -m The permissions on the script are right, and if run manually, it works. This worked fine under Fedora 16, but doesn't now that I'm running F 17. Does anybody know what's happened, or how to find out? From the crontab man page: The cron jobs could be allow or disallow for different users. For classical crontab there exists cron.allow and cron.deny files. If cron.allow file exists, then you must be listed therein in order to be allowed to use this command. Perchance you're not in crontab.allow? Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Creating an rpm from scratch
Bill Davidsen davidsen at tmr.com writes: I am happy to say the last rpm I had to create was back during 2.5 development testing days. Now I would find it convenient to roll another, and I'm hoping there's by now a better tools to help create an rpm from scratch, something more intuitive than the man page in one window and vi in the other. Is there? Maximum RPM is still the definitive work on how to build RPMs: http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/ Be aware that rpm tends to evolve over time and rpmbuild is not necessarily backwards compatible. You need to use the version of rpmbuild that matches the oldest distribution you want to install on. My last gig had a lot of people on RHEL 5.X so I had to build on an RHEL 5.X platform. The resulting rpm still worked on RHEL 6 and Fedora. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Multiboot question
Christopher Meng cickumqt at gmail.com writes: SNIP sd3. 55GB not parted sd4. 32GB not parted Now I want to install Fedora 17 on sd3 or sd4, but I don't know howto. From Anaconda I failed evrrytime for not enough space or some other reasons. So any hints availabe? I think two lvm is the way of installing dual Fedora, isn't it? I was hoping someone else who actually remembered how to do this would respond to your question. That hasn't happened so I'll give it my best shot. I run Fedora from a 400GB external hard disk for my laptop (long story). I more or less divide the disk between the current Fedora release and the previous release. That way, by the time the previous release is no longer supported, there is a new release to try and the current release is relatively stable. So, currently, I have FC 18 on one partition set and FC 17 on the other. It took several tries to find where the option is hidden but there is a button on option of some kind on the partition screen that allows you to install over existing partitions. Unfortunately, I don't remember exactly where it is or the label. I just remember that it wasn't at all obvious. Restart your installation. Poke around on the partitioning screen. There is a well hidden option for installing to existing partitions. Once you find that, you get the familiar installer partition tool for assigning partitions to mount points and the option to format the partition or not. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Odd Question, Wifi
Jim binarynut at comcast.net writes: Is there any way a Unsecure Wifi connection, one can determine how to contact the owner about his connection. I can't visualise how , but I just thought I would just ask. Use nmap to find the actual host IP addresses of systems on his network and then use the -M option of smbclient to try sending a Windows pop-up: -M|--message NetBIOS name This options allows you to send messages, using the WinPopup protocol, to another computer. Once a connection is established you then type your message, pressing ^D (control-D) to end. If the receiving computer is running WinPopup the user will receive the message and probably a beep. If they are not running WinPopup the message will be lost, and no error message will occur. The message is also automatically truncated if the message is over 1600 bytes, as this is the limit of the protocol. One useful trick is to pipe the message through smbclient. For example: smbclient -M FRED mymessage.txt will send the message in the file mymessage.txt to the machine FRED. You may also find the -U and -I options useful, as they allow you to control the FROM and TO parts of the message. Lots of ways this won't work but you get an actual pop-up window with the message if it does. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: util-linux /mount / df broken most of the time
may I suggest: rpm -q --whatprovides `which df` and let us know what comes back? Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: util-linux /mount / df broken most of the time
Reindl Harald h.reindl at thelounge.net writes: Am 04.02.2013 19:29, schrieb David G.Miller: may I suggest: rpm -q --whatprovides `which df` and let us know what comes back? Cheers, Dave [harry at srv-rhsoft:~]$ rpm -q --whatprovides `which /usr/bin/df` coreutils-8.17-8.fc18.x86_64 but since libraries may play in this game... Yes. So the next rpm command to try is: rpm -vv --verfiy coreutils | less You'll need to look through the relocations section and verify that df matches what coreutils rpm installed down in the list of programs. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: util-linux /mount / df broken most of the time
Michael Schwendt mschwendt at gmail.com writes: On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 22:42:20 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: coreutils is reinstalled and clean i found out that binutils was borked and ld not found anymore ld is OK after yum reinstall binutils but df still does not show the rootfs How is that different from bug 887763? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/887763 : The output of the command df (without any param) omits the line for the root filesystem Could be the same but interesting that not everyone (including me) sees it. The bug suggests looking at the output of: stat --printf %d\t%n\n / /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs If the numbers for both / and /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs are the same, df doesn't output a line for /. If they're different, no problem. Apparently, /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs has something to do with the implementation of nfs but just enabling an nfs export and starting the service doesn't cause the problem. I'll have to try rebooting the box with nfs server enabled at start up and see if I can reproduce the problem. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: what's with the 'i'?
Antonio Olivares wingators at inbox.com writes: And, on a more international note, if somebody just mentions the war, which war do you think of first? War between the States!(Civil War) I used to work with a gentleman who grew up in northern Virginia. He said it wasn't until he was in high school that he realized that the Civil War and The War of Northern Aggression were two different names for the same event. I'd swear that one of the most valuable contributions I make to any project I work on is making sure that all of the people involved have the same understanding of what we're doing and how we're going about doing it (frequently that even entails me changing my view of what that is). My vote is for anything that promotes clear communication and solidly against anything that makes clear communication more difficult. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: what's with the 'i'?
Joe Zeff joe at zeff.us writes: As an example, does anybody reading this know what I mean by an identical cousin? Yes and now I have the d**n jingle from the show going through my head but they're cousins, identical cousins... AAGGH! Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: what's with the 'i'?
Joe Zeff joe at zeff.us writes: On 01/31/2013 08:34 AM, Andras Simon wrote: I'd think it's the coolness thing. What's cool about looking like an ignoramus? I just go with these are the same people who aren't intelligent enough to operate a baseball cap so they end up wearing it backwards. (Not original. Don't recall who the comedian was that used this in a monologue). Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Holding down the power button when the systems freezes
Max Pyziur pyz at brama.com writes: On Tue, 29 Jan 2013, Paul Smith wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:24 AM, David G. Miller dave at davenjudy.org wrote: When the systems freezes, is it safe to hold down the power button to power off the machine? If not, what alternatives do you suggest? Simple test: if CapsLock and/or NumLock and/or ScrollLock still work (keyboard light reflects change in state), you have a shot at the Alt-SysReq-≤key stuff. SNIP Thanks, David and all other respondents. In case lights works, how can one get a console? Ok, I'll play. SNIP If you're running a LAN/home network and you have other machines on the network, and provided those machines have some ssh/telnet client software, and the (blanket-wrapped) frozen machine is running a telnet/ssh daemon and set to receive requests, you try accessing the (supposedly) frozen machine by ssh/telnet client. SNIP CTRL+ALT+F2 through CTRL+ALT+F6 (where F# = Function key #) will bring up an alternate console. Hold down Control and Alt then pick a function key. Get back to the GUI with CTRL+ALT+F1 on Fedora or CTRL+ALT+F7 on RHEL and clones. If the system is busy, you may have to wait a little while for it to respond. Another choice is CTRL+ALT+Backspace to kill the GUI. If you start in graphical mode, the GUI will restart. If you start in text mode, you'll get back to your original login session. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: telnetd mystery ....
Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko at greshko.com writes: On 01/29/2013 10:19 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:46:58AM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: SNIP Has anyone configured telnetd for use on F18? SNIP I just did, and I didn't add -D, but I did change disabled = yes to no in the telnet xinetd config. And it just worked. Thanks for testing. That is what I did too And it fails as described. I'm stumped. Seeing the same problem here that Ed saw. I am seeing one interesting twist that Ed didn't mention. If I start the telnet server on my F18 box with something like server_args = -D report, I can login locally. If I try to log in from a different box, I get a no route to host message which is bogus since I can ping the F18 system or ssh to it. I messed with hosts.allow and hosts.deny but didn't see any change. Maybe the problem isn't in telnetd but in tcp wrappers instead. All testing is being done with iptables stopped and SELinux in permissive mode. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Holding down the power button when the systems freezes
Paul Smith phhs80 at gmail.com writes: When the systems freezes, is it safe to hold down the power button to power off the machine? If not, what alternatives do you suggest? Simple test: if CapsLock and/or NumLock and/or ScrollLock still work (keyboard light reflects change in state), you have a shot at the Alt-SysReq-key stuff. The keyboard lights are actually controlled by the O/S (keyboard driver specifically). If the O/S is dead, the lights won't change state when you push whatever. I've had fairly good luck with this test. Lights work -- be patient and see if you can get an alternate console, shell in, etc. Lights don't work -- power key time. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F18: post-friday updates + ssh ports + iptables
Ranjan Maitra maitra.mbox.ignored at inbox.com writes: So, I have a strange problem which I can't figure out. After Friday's updates, I was unable to ssh into the machine with a nonstandard port. I changed the port to the default and was able to get in. I was able to resolve this only after stopping and starting iptables service. Possible simple explanation: Do you have an iptables rule that restricts access to the target system to a specific host? If so, did you specify the system to allow in using a host name (or FQDN) or did you use that system's IP address? If the host name can't be resolved at startup but resolves once the system is fully up, you could have an explanation for the behavior you're seeing. I think I've also seen this with a slow DNS or a resolv.conf that includes an unavailable DNS server. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Where is the detailed docs on firewalld?
Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan at gmail.com writes: Lots of SNIPPING From https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FirewallD?rd=FirewallD/#Direct_options The arguments args of the passthrough option are the same as the corresponding iptables, ip6tables and ebtables arguments. poc So, could I just write a shell script that reads my /etc/sysconfig/iptables file and does a passthrough call for each rule? And then go through the dainbramage to get systemctl to execute rc.local to get it executed at startup? I'm not so much worried about normal rules like opening a specific port as custom rules like filtering malformed packets, disallowing multiple connect attempts from the same IP address, etc. Somehow I don't see the GUI as letting me craft rules like: # The next two rules prevent non-standard TCP packets from evading the firewall. -A INPUT -p tcp --tcp-flags SYN,FIN SYN,FIN -j LOG --log-prefix packet with FIN+SYN rec'd: -A INPUT -p tcp --tcp-flags SYN,FIN SYN,FIN -j DROP Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Install FC18 on laptop? Wifi woes
Bill Davidsen davidsen at tmr.com writes: I'm trying to update a laptop to FC18, but that does not seem to be an option, because the Broadcom WiFi is still not supported. SNIP Suggestions? I just did a modprobe b43 and the b43 module loaded without requiring any additional files or packages. Clicked on the NetworkMangler status widget and picked my wireless AP. Provided the password and connected right up. I have a fairly old laptop with the BCM4306 chipset and my F18 install is fairly pristine but I do have a wired connection to the same laptop and did a yum update so the kernel is current. I previously had F16 working on the same laptop and still have a working install of F17 on another partition set. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Install FC18 on laptop? Wifi woes
Bill Davidsen davidsen at tmr.com writes: David G. Miller wrote: Bill Davidsen davidsen at tmr.com writes: I'm trying to update a laptop to FC18, but that does not seem to be an option, SNIP I just did a modprobe b43 and the b43 module loaded without requiring any additional files or packages. SNIP The wired connection would be nice, I had hoped to avoid that, as upgrading laptops is probably not going to be a once in a lifetime event. Finding a way without wires is more fun than bringing a laptop to a wire, since then you can't easily justify working on the wireless solution for all the other laptops. I just checked and I'm getting the broadcom firmware (under /lib/firmware/brcm) from the linux-firmware rpm. Here's what yum info says about it: [root@petard ~]# yum info linux-firmware Loaded plugins: langpacks, presto Installed Packages Name: linux-firmware Arch: noarch Version : 20120925 Release : 0.3.git236367d.fc18 Size: 34 M Repo: installed From repo : koji-override-0 Summary : Firmware files used by the Linux kernel URL : http://www.kernel.org/ License : GPL+ and GPLv2+ and MIT and Redistributable, no modification permitted Description : Kernel-firmware includes firmware files required for some devices : to operate. Unfortunately, I have the rpmfusion repo enabled so it's possible that I picked this up from there on an update (but I doubt it). Also, I started from the xfce respin CD. I think the repo being koji-override-0 is an artifact of the xfce respin but it could make a difference. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Reconfiguring packages
Frank McCormick beacon at videotron.ca writes: On 02/01/13 04:22 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 20:03:33 -0500, Frank McCormick wrote: On 01/01/2013 04:26 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 15:37:11 -0500, Frank McCormick wrote: Having come from Debian unstable, the switch to YUM from Aptitude is a bit disconcerting for me. So far I have managed but i have a question. In Debian, a package can be reconfigured (package such as console-setup) using dpkg-reconfigure. Can the same thing be accomplished in Fedora. I have 2 Fedora installations, 17 and 18. SNIP No. As I wrote, _something like_ that is not used by RPM packages SNIP There actually are a couple of possibilities but I'd suggest getting used to Fedora out of the box first. You will probably find that whatever you wanted to change at install time can be changed through a configuration file or is a one time action that you can take care of after the installation. There are two levels of customization that rpm and rpm packages support outside of yum: 1) Look at the man page for rpm. It's possible that whatever customization you want can be accomplished by downloading the rpm(s) and then using rpm command line switches to override the package defaults. 2) Even more intrusive: rpm packages can be disassembled using cpio. You can then reassemble the package anyway you want using rpmbuild. This is definitely not for the feint of heart. As usual, if you break it, you get to keep the pieces. The packages and any dependent packages assume the standard installation. Any changes you make can break these dependencies in strange and not obvious ways. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Multi-Threaded make
Gabriel VLASIU gabriel at vlasiu.net writes:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012, JD wrote:
That does not make sense.
I have a unicore!! An old Athlon64 3700+,
In this case %{?_smp_mflags} is expanded to -j1 or and you will have
exactly only one cc1.
SNIP
and yet ps -ef shows up to 4 makes running at a time.
Read the previous mail again.
Gabriel
Make is much more constrained by disk I/O than by CPU load. Setting -j to be
equal to the number of cores/CPUs is just playing it safe. This is especially
true when building a rpm which involves not just compiles and link but also
packaging, dependency resolution and documentation tasks which are even more
disk I/O intensive than compiles. Chances are that several of these operations
that not dependent on successfully compiling the code are fired off in parallel
rather than doing them sequentially and that old workhorse make gets the task of
managing each of these tasks. Thus, you end up with multiple copies of make
running at the same time even on a single core/CPU system to perform these
tasks.
Now just to totally blow your mind... while working with the 2.5.X development
kernels prior to the release of 2.6.0 I was doing at least one kernel build for
each new point release (sometimes more if there were build issues to resolve).
At that time my primary desktop was a dual CPU (back in the day before multiple
cores) Athlon rig. Since I had all sorts of time and plenty of trials to
experiment with I played around with the setting of -j for kernel builds. My
best results were with -j 12.
Cheers,
Dave
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Re: Multi-Threaded make
JD jd1008 at gmail.com writes: For the last time: rpmbuild has no -j anything option!!! JD - Calm down. Have a glass of wine or a beer or whatever. Noone is saying rpmbuild has a -j option. Several of us are trying to explain to you that programs like rpmbuild can do things that the end user may not realize are happening. If you wish to learn from our experience, we'll attempt to answer your questions. If not, don't expect much help. Back to the question at hand. Depending on the nature of the rpm being built, rpmbuild may spawn several make processes that run in parallel. You are seeing this when you run ps during your build. You probably have no control over this although there MAY be options for invoking rpmbuild that control this. What I was attempting to explain is that tasks with significant I/O can frequently run in parallel even though there are fewer CPUs than tasks. Several tasks can be waiting on I/O and the CPU is idle which means doing something else MAY decrease the overall time the rpm build takes. I used the example of building the kernel to illustrate this; nothing more. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hack attacks
Roger arelem at bigpond.com writes: Is there any way to trace ip addresses back past the originating ISP. I've been using whois but it seems limited. Thanks in advance Roger Chances are that any sort of multi-host attack will use zombies as proxies. Even if you are able to chase the IP address to someone, chances are that their system has been hacked and they have nothing to do with your attack (other than providing the zombie). And they'll deny it's their system causing the problem. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Laptop doesn't know which display to use when docked.
Terry Polzin foxec208 at wowway.com writes: I am running xfce on F17 completely patched and current. My laptop is a HP probook 6460b. When I boot it docked the grub screen appears on the external display. When the boot has completed the background screen is displayed on the external display. I get no login prompt on the external display. I press enter a couple of times the login display will appear and I'll log in then the external display goes dark. I open up the laptop and it's display has the desktop on it and I have to manually switch to the external display and discontinue use of the laptop display. If both displays are selected for use the whole thing wants to act like a twin head setup which I don't want. What do I have to do to get the laptop to use the external display when docked and it's own display when it isn't automagically. To undock the laptop I have to reverse the display procedure of course. This also makes it impossible to undock and run without making manual changes as to which display to use. I had the opposite problem. When I am at work I run my laptop in dual head mode. If I'm travelling, I just have the laptop. The laptop (HP Pavilion G7) seemed to think that the external monitor was always attached and would not switch to just the internal display. This is with FC-16 and xfce. My first work-around was to boot in graphical mode. All I had to do was wait until the system had put up the login screen and then I could hit the screen brightness (brighter) adjustment button a few times and there was my login screen. Hitting the button prior to X starting had no effect (good or bad). I had a completely black screen until X was up and then I could adjust the brightness. Likewise, the system would only use the external monitor, if attached, while booting but, since I could see the boot progress on it, I knew when I could adjust the brightness of the laptop's internal monitor. Also, the display select button had no effect. I did some digging and finally found a bug report that mentioned setting a couple of kernel parameters: acpi_backlight=vendor acpi_osi=linux video.brightness_switch_enabled=1. You might try playing with these to see if they have any affect on your issue. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: enable second monitor in F14?
Dave Stevens geek at uniserve.com writes: I tried to uninstall OpenOffice before installing LibreOffice and found that my proprietary ATI X driver was uninstalled too. After sorting that out I wound up sticking with OO after all. But now my monitors mirror each other and I don't see where/how to change to the pan view I had before with independent display content. Suggestions? Dave xrandr: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2#Using_xrandr_to_do_useful_things Start with xrandr with no arguments to see which displays are detected. I use: xrandr --output VGA-0 --left-of LVDS to sort out which display is where for me. Seems to be more reliable than the GUI tools. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: why is a .txt file being run as a php script?
Tom Horsley horsley1953 at gmail.com writes: On my local system I have apache running so I can test web pages before I upload them to my ISP. I have a sample .php script which I explicitly named with a .php.txt suffix so it would be treated as a plain text file, not a php script. Yet apache is clearly running the php script rather than just uploading the plain text copy of the script when I click on the link to the .php.txt file. Anyone have any clue what is causing this to happen? I can't imagine this is something that would be desirable behavior . I made it stop by turning off php completely in the subdirectory holding the pages, but I still what to understand what on earth was making it run the script in the first place. Just guessing but what is the first line of the file? It's probably: ?php Apache reads the file, hits the ?php line and processes it as a php file. It's a feature. *nix (not just Linux) don't use the file extension to determine what to do with a file. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: possible problem with scp/ssh/telnet
Paul Allen Newell pnewell at cs.cmu.edu writes: [inline] On 8/12/2012 4:12 PM, David G. Miller wrote: Paul Allen Newell pnewell at cs.cmu.edu writes: SNIP I checked ifconfig/ipconfig, plus verified the hosts file on both machines. I also checked the tcp/ip settings on the Windows side. Everything looks correct and certainly has not changed. You would be surprised at how many networking connectivity problems are simply because of DNS errors. Check the easy things first. SNIP is service (or port) 23. Your log entries are to port 138 so, again, nothing to do with ssh or telnet. Okay, more confusion as I am not seeing any port 22. SNIP The rules in /etc/sysconfig/iptables are processed sequentially. When a packet matches a rule the rule is applied. ACCEPT rules tell iptables to hand off the packet to the corresponding service. # more /etc/sysconfig/iptables # Generated by iptables-save v1.4.12 on Sat Aug 11 23:29:10 2012 *filter :INPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT -A INPUT -p icmp -j ACCEPT -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT The next line in your iptables file is your ACCEPT rule for connections to port 22. iptables stops processing the packet and hands it off to sshd at this point. -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW -m tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT -A INPUT -s 127.0.0.1/32 -d 192.168.2.0/24 -p udp -m state --state NEW -m udp -- dport 631 -A INPUT -s 127.0.0.1/32 -d 192.168.2.0/24 -p tcp -m state --state NEW -m tcp -- dport 631 Here's your logging line. Since packets coming in to port 22 have already been handed off to sshd, this rule is never hit for them. -A INPUT -j LOG --log-prefix IPTABLES: LOG REJECT -A INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited -A FORWARD -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited COMMIT # Completed on Sat Aug 11 23:29:10 2012 [root at yoyo ~]# +++ I use logging rules like this a lot. The only thing you need to be careful about is putting a blanket logging rule too early in your iptables file. You can get swamped with too much data really easily. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: possible problem with scp/ssh/telnet
Paul Allen Newell pnewell at cs.cmu.edu writes: Up until recently, I have been able to scp/ssh from my F16 box to my WinXP under cygwin without problem. Today, it appears that isn't the case. SNIP it is logging errors and I see the following: Aug 11 23:43:43 yoyo kernel: [ 779.725071] IPTABLES: LOG REJECT IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:1e:8c:c3:21:d6:08:00 SRC=192.168.2.14 DST=192.168.2.255 LEN=229 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=128 ID=33554 PROTO=UDP SPT=138 DPT=138 LEN=209 SNIP Just a quick lesson in reading IP tables logs. For first level connection debugging I find the following pieces of information in the log to be most useful: SRC=IP address of the sending system DST=IP address of the destination system Do an ifconfig (Linux) or ipconfig (Windows) to see what the IP address is for both end points. Verifying these lets you make sure the problem isn't DNS. PROTO=The protocol for the communication. Typically one of UDP, TCP or ICMP. ssh and telnet use TCP so these log entries are for something else. SPT=Source port. Can be interesting if you have outbound firewall filter rules (most people don't). DPT=Destination port. Identifies the service requested at the destination. Look in /etc/services for definitions. ssh is service (or port 22) and telnet is service (or port) 23. Your log entries are to port 138 so, again, nothing to do with ssh or telnet. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F17 External Monitor on 945GM
Philippe LeCavalier support at plecavalier.com writes: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Philippe LeCavalier support at plecavalier.com wrote: Hi Everyone. ... A yes. The infamous Intel 945 chipset...I waded through the whole sluggish feel issues of the 2048 res issue. Then an update appeared to have addressed all my issues(no idea which one because the one that was supposed to fix it didn't). ... So here are the symptoms: if I connect an external monitor(VGA) it won't light up at all. My LCD flickers and comes back to it's original state. Fine. The display settings reflect that one was connected and typically ids it properly. Again, fine. I then set an appropriate resolution and placement for both and hit apply. At this point the screen flickers again and my laptop comes back but the monitor does nothing(orange light). I can however, bring my cursor passed the LCD to where the monitor is but it's not lit so no joy there. If I let the time run out on the dialog everything goes back to normal. No harm no foul. If I play with any of the kbd combo keys to force the external monitor gnome-shell freaks out and I'm forced to recover using the console. The only thing I can successfully accomplish is Fn+F5 resulting in the external monitor only-type setup. Recovering from that without restarting X is not possible. If I toggle back to my LCD the screen flickers and spins. Same goes for disconnecting the VGA cable. At this point I can't go back to the monitor either. I have no choice but to open a console and restart Gnome-Shell. The odd time I can't even do that and must power off(ouch! haven't had to do that in Linux for years) -- Thanks, Phil Hi Phil - I had some similar problems with FC16 on an HP laptop with the i915 chip set. X still starts goofy with an external monitor attached but a simple: xrandr --output VGA1 --left-of LVDS1 sorts out how much of the display should be on each monitor. The trivial oddity that I have is that, for some reason, this laptop monitor always comes up at zero brightness. Have you tried adjusting the screen brightness on the laptop once everything is up? I have to wait until X is up for this to work. The text output from booting goes to the external monitor and I can pound on the laptop's screen brightness key and nothing happens. After X starts, it behaves as expected. This drove me nuts getting FC16 working since there weren't any errors; just no display. I'm running FC16 from a bootable, external hard disk. The i915 laptop is in my office and I have an older HP laptop with an ATI chipset at home. I boot the home laptop from the external hard disk and the display is duplicated until X starts and then I get the same slightly goofy overlap I see on my work laptop. A slightly different xrandr (xrandr --output VGA-0 --left-of LVDS) sorts out those displays. A couple of other suggestions are to turn off graphical boot and quiet mode so you can see what's going on as the system boots. Also, switch to booting in the equivalent to runlevel 3 (multiuser target) and then start X from the command line with startx. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: NetworkManager strange stuff -
Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA bobgoodwin at wildblue.net writes: On 10/07/12 17:37, Steven Stern types: On 07/10/2012 04:28 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: This is F-17/64 bit. The dd-wrt router assigns dhcp addresses on our LAN. However this computer 192.168.1.9., if I let NetworkManager assign an address via dhcp it insists on assigning 192.168.1.10, the next unused dhcp address no matter what I enter under NM edit Automatic. If I go to NM edit and assign the address as Manual it becomes 192.168.1.9 as expected. Obviously the simple solution is to stay with the latter case. My question then is, is this to be expected due to two dhcp servers trying to assign an address, or am I doing something wrong?. SNIP Ok, so there's nothing I can do without changing my system address assignments which began before I started using NetworkManager. I will just assign the NM address manually. It works either way but I like to see the device names I have assigned in the DHCP client list and when it assigns a new address I lose the name, it's blank. Thanks for the help. Bob You will find that *BOTH* the DHCP client and DHCP server cache previous addresses. A client that has had an address will request the same address. Even if the client doesn't ask for the same address, the server will check its cache to see if a particular address was previously assigned and will re-assign the same address. Found this out the hard way when trying to get DHCPv6 working. Still have some similar oddities to you that I need to clean out caches to make go away. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is it possible to setup read-only root ?
John Wendel jwendel10 at comcast.net writes:
On 07/01/2012 12:17 PM, jdow wrote:
[SNIP]
The equivalent is done with live CDs you know.
{^_^}
I think you just supplied the answer! I didn't think of it, but the
equivalent of a live CD is exactly what I need. Now I just need to
figure out how to build a live CD like system, minus the compressed
filesystem stuff and I should be there.
I should have mentioned earlier that this box is going to be a dedicated
media player, with the compact flash drive as it's only disc. I know I
should probably just use openelec or geexbox, but that would take all
the fun out of it. I will try to steal the init system from one of these
dedicated distributions, but I really want to build the system with
Fedora packages as much as possible.
Thanks everyone for sharing your knowledge.
John
The live CD systems that I've dealt with have all created a minimal, in-RAM /
(or root) using ramfs. Just boot with your favorite live CD distro, open a
terminal and run mount. It does mean that the image of / can be read-only and
it takes surprisingly little RAM to have the bits of Linux in RAM that are
actually volatile.
Cheers,
Dave
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Re: Changing MB and CPU - reinstall of Fedora needed?
Christopher Svanefalk christopher.svanefalk at gmail.com writes: I will be moving from an AMD FX-8120 to an Intel i7 3930K, which of course means I will be changing my motherboard as well. All other relevant system components will stay the same (including the HDD and any data on it).I just wondered if Fedora can accomodate the new hardware directly, or if there are any procedures I should go through after booting again? Could a reinstall be needed? I am guessing I will not have a problem booting, since Grub is installed on the MBR of the drive, and I believe the new MB will search this first for a bootloader.Thanks in advance for all help! -- Best, Christopher Svanefalk I pretty much do this every day. I have FC 16 installed on an external hard drive. I have a system at home and a system at work that are both set up to boot from an external drive. The work system has an Intel i3 CPU, Intel graphics, etc. The home system has an AMD Athlon CPU, ATI graphics, etc. Not sure about the sound hardware but the work system is from 2005 while the work system is recent so little likelihood it's the same. About the only part that's not transparent is I have to run xrandr after I startx to get things to display on the right monitors. Carrying the external hard drive between locations definitely beats lugging a system back and forth. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Broken network hdw/softw
David Highley dhighley at highley-recommended.com writes: After power cycle on system the line drivers for the network interface seemed to die, no link connection and no light. This is a mother board interface and dmesg still shows hardware discovery. Bought a PCI Express card and installed it. Then modified the mac address in the /etc/sysconfig/networking-scripts/ifcfg- file. Still no joy. Noticed that the dev name changed so I move the file to match the new dev name and edited the device name in the file. Still no joy. SNIP Silly question but are you showing link lights with the PCI card? If you are, can you move the network connection to a different port on your switch and try again? Also, while you're there, verify that the lights on the switch are what you expect. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: rc.local not loaded on boot
Aaron Konstam akonstam at sbcglobal.net writes: On Sun, 2012-03-25 at 17:34 +, David G. Miller wrote: Quite a bit more to it than just putting a script there: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=272075 Cheers, Dave I can't make head of tail of the discussion in the web site you mention. On my machine any systemctl statement that includes rc.local.service returns a statement that rc.local.service does not exist. What do you get from the web site? The thread contains an extensive troubleshooting discussion of how to get rc.local functionality working. There are quite a few things to check and the thread covers most of them. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: rc.local not loaded on boot
Bruno Martins bmomartins at gmail.com writes: Hello list, I can read here: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Release_Notes/sect-Release_Notes-Changes_for_Sysadmin.html the following: 3.2.4. rc.local no longer packaged SNIP You need to enable the service through systemctl. Here's a long discussion that looks at quite a few of the things that can affect getting rc.local functional. Quite a bit more to it than just putting a script there: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=272075 Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Help with sound on Fc16
don fisher hdf3 at comcast.net writes: I am trying to find documentation on the alsa/pulse audio system. My goal is to set it up independent of gnome or KDE. SNIP Thanks, don I ran into a similar problem with my FC16 installation of the Xfce re-spin. The solution I finally came up with was to remove pulse audio and just go with ALSA. This was based on running into more than a few posting with that suggestion. When pulse works, it's great. When it doesn't work it just gets in the way. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: READ ME: When replying to users digest...
Bruno Wolff III bruno at wolff.to writes: On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:48:29 +, Phil Dobbin bukowskiscat at gmail.com wrote: Digest mode is perfectly acceptable for use when searching for relevant topics but a bore when replying. SNIP That are two available formats for digests. The nice one includes each message as an attachment. In this form you can reply to individual attachments. The other form mashes all of the messages together in one text/plain part, that makes it pretty much impossible to do correct replies to messages. I'll also point out using an service such as Gmane (http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general) when replying if you receive digest mode. It takes a few minutes to find hit their web site and find the message but sometimes having time to think before applying fingers to keyboard can be a feature. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 16 black screen with Radeon HD 6470M: partially solved?
M. Fioretti mfioretti at nexaima.net writes: On Thu, Dec 08, 2011 20:18:21 PM +0100, Marco Fioretti wrote: I've got a HP G6 1273SL laptop with this chipset and a live cd of Fedora 16 x86_64, KDE spin... when I [boot] the screen goes completely black. if I... add to its initrd line the two parameters acpi_osi=Linux acpi_backlight=vendor Fedora boots without problems, but the laptop is quite warm. If I check the graphich chips status, I get: # cat /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch 0:IGD:+:Pwr::00:02.0 1:DIS: :Pwr: etc etc... so, if I understand correctly, I MUST also disable the discrete graphic chip with a script like this: # #! /bin/bash modprobe radeon echo IGD /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch echo OFF /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch # and then add to /etc/rc/rc.local Is this Same problem with this video hardware: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 1671 Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 41 Memory at c000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4M] Memory at b000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M] I/O ports at 4000 [size=64] Expansion ROM at unassigned [disabled] Capabilities: access denied Kernel driver in use: i915 Kernel modules: i915 and responded to the same kernel parameter fix. Thanks. I encountered this on a HP Pavilion gz-1279dx. The next interesting question is this. My Fedora installation is VERY portable. I have it installed on an external USB drive. This way I keep my environment with me whether I'm at work, working from home or working someplace else. I just plug in the external drive and boot the system to my FC16 installation. So, the question is, will adding the kernel parameters mess with my ability to boot on systems that don't require them? Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
