Re: system-config-lvm

[Frederick N. Brier]

I love Fedora, but after asking about the disappearance myself, the 
answer given was less than logical or satisfactory.  LVM has gained some 
new features that system-config-lvm did not handle.  Someone decided 
that was unacceptable and it had to be removed.  The majority of 
applications and system tools do not support every (new) feature. 
Development does not occur lockstep.  It would have been trivial to add 
something to a readme file or a conditional that warned 
system-config-lvm could not be used with your current LVM because you 
used a new feature.  As with Gilboa and yourself, I am still using the 
basic features of LVM and very happy with it.  To eliminate the primary 
maintenance system tool of a feature, is to cut off your user's noses to 
spite your system.  I've been doing development for 40+ years.  This 
smells like a pissing contest. Perhaps I am not as brave as Gilboa, I 
was unwilling to risk building the tool.  I have a USB key that boots 
Linux Mint.  Every time I need to adjust my LVM, I have to reboot to 
Mint, make the change and reboot again.  That is sad.


- Fred

On 04/30/2014 10:31 PM, Gilboa Davara wrote:

On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 3:12 AM, Patrick Dupre  wrote:

Hello

The package system-config-lvm
disappeared since fedora 18.
Is there a reason?
I new packag replace it?

Thank


system-config-lvm (S-C-L) was deprecated back in F18 and is supposed
to be replaced by gnome-disks (or gnome-disk-utility).
However, gnome-disks (F20) completely lacks LVM support.

Personally I simply rebuilt the F18 S-C-L SRPMS and I use it on a
large number of desktops/servers/etc.
Keep in mind that YMMV; S-C-L is no longer supported and if it breaks,
you get to keep all the pieces.

- Gilboa


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Re: Hardware diagnostic tools? Interrupts?

[Frederick N. Brier]

The interrupt message on which the system is hanging is associated with 
the 3Ware controller.  I did check the Kingston site for info on 
upgrading the SSD.  Unfortunately, they only support upgrading the 
firmware on Windows 7.  They suggest putting it on a Windows 7 box as a 
secondary drive, but I don't have a Windows 7 box.  Plus the bugs that 
they list do not match the system's behavior.


I might be able to take the drive out, put it in its provided case for 
use as an external drive and find someone who has Windows 7.


On 12/19/2011 11:13 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:

Check the SSD manufacturer's site to see if there is new
SSD firmware available. Also check the BIOS settings to
make sure there isn't something silly going on like the
BIOS defaulting to running the sata interfaces in some
emulated IDE mode.

My corsair SSD drive had lots of warnings on various web
sites about this sort of thing. Apparently it is very picky
about the way the interface drives it.


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Hardware diagnostic tools? Interrupts?

[Frederick N. Brier]

I just upgraded my Fedora 16 development workstation from an AMD Phenom 
II to an Intel i7 2600K on an Asus P8Z68-M Pro along with a Kingston 
SSD. Unfortunately, I ran into a bit of a snag.  It hangs in the boot 
process with the last line being:


ahci : 06:00.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18

I used Phoronix to run some benchmarks on my system prior to the 
install, but am wondering if there are some other tools that can help 
diagnose hardware problems.  Please post any suggestions.  I ran memtest 
for 4+ hours and the 16GB was perfect.  Oh, and I am not over clocking 
anything.  The only other card in the system is an eVGA 7950GS.


My original boot drive was a 3Ware PCI 8xxx RAID controller with two 1TB 
Samsung drives mirrored and using LVM.  The halt happens with this 
system and with the Fedora 16 install DVD.  It did not happen with a 
Linux Mint 12 install DVD or a Lubuntu install CD or earlier Fedora 
releases (I think I tried an 8 or an 11).   They would all boot their 
live images fine.


I had researched this motherboard before buying it and saw that it had 
been used successfully by both Fedora and other Linux users. At the end 
of this email, I will relate all the avenues thus far explored, but 
believe at this point I may be dealing with an interrupt timing problem 
with a 3Ware PCI 8xxx RAID controller.  So yesterday, I decided to give 
the Lubuntu a try.  The RAID mirror was my main drive, but the SSD is 
now my boot drive with the LVM volumes now having their mount points on 
the SSD.  All seemed well so I thought perhaps it was a Fedora bug based 
on some posts I read, however all of a sudden, the LVM partitions 
started getting I/O errors. /proc/mounts would show the partitions 
mounted rw, but as soon as there was an error, it would change to ro. At 
that point, any read to the 3Ware partitions would generate an error and 
update the /proc/mounts to ro.  I could copy upwards of 20GB of data 
with no problem, but then boom.


This is my first motherboard with UEFI. Initially, I tried disabling 
features to get it the F16 install DVD to boot. At one point, 
configuring the SATA drives to use IDE instead of AHIC, it got to the 
point of display a white background with a cursor, but was hung at that 
point. I also noted that the Scroll and Num lock keys would cause the 
keyboard LEDs to blink once, but did not stay on. Very strange.


Once a upon a time, there was a Fedora release where I had to insert a 
delay in the boot parameters because the 3Ware controllers (9550SX and 
9650SE) were taking too long to initialize. Are there parameters to 
tweak the 3w- driver?  Or am I dealing with a defective Asus 
motherboard? Most of the time, a feature in a defective motherboard will 
just not work, like a keyboard/mouse controller, Ethernet port, slot, or 
video. Memory can be flaky, but motherboards not so much.  Thoughts?  
Thank you for any help or suggestions.


Fred

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Questions for new SSD OS install

[Frederick N. Brier]

I am about to upgrade the motherboard and add an SSD to my Fedora 16 
system, and the options and questions are numerous.  The system should 
boot from the SSD and access the LVM partitions on the original drive 
(actually a 3Ware RAID). My system has gone through multiple Fedora 
upgrades in the last several years and with F16 I ended up trying 
Gnome3, then XFCE, and finally LXDE.  I like LXDE, but some odd 
behaviours have cropped up like the printer service vanishing or 
features that check the Network Manager to see if there is a network 
connection available.  So is this entropy or bugs?  Should I do a clean 
install or try to migrate?


My partition sizes are fine.  My first steps are fairly clear - install 
the hardware, boot with an F16 DVD, and do a basic install keeping the 
partition sizes identical on the SSD.


It is the next steps that I am unsure about.  With the upgrade route, I 
could then boot with the DVD and dd the /root partition over to the 
SSD.  I could merge the /etc/fstab on the SSD, make the old /root a 
/backup-root, but are there any gotchyas mounting the existing LVMs?  
When do the symbolic links in /dev/mapper get created and how do the 
/dev/dm-? files map to a physical drive (or RAID device)?


Or should I do a clean install of F16 and specify LXDE from the get-go.  
Are there any automated tools for getting a list of all the packages 
(perhaps after running rpmreaper) installed on the existing system and 
then feeding that into the new OS to install the same packages?  Any 
links would be helpful.  I do not need a lot of hand holding.  Please 
just point me in the right direction :).  Thank you for any help.

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Dialogs now fast

[Frederick N. Brier]

I had posted several messages about the dialog creation and display 
being really, really slow in multiple apps.  I did an yum update a 
couple of days ago and magically everything is fast again.  Both X and 
Gnome packages were updated.  No idea what did it, but whoever you are, 
you masked developer you...  Thank you :).

Fred
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Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

[Frederick N. Brier]

On 09/16/2011 09:30 AM, Charlie Brune wrote:
> On 09/15/2011 01:13 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
>> On 09/15/2011 11:03 AM, Christopher Svanefalk wrote:
>>> I never really tried XFCE to be honest, guess someone else would have to
>>> give the verdict on that.
>> I use F14.  As soon as I learned what Gnome3 was like I did some
>> research and ended up with XFCE.  Even if they make a version of Gnome3
>> that I don't find horrible I'd never go back.
> Agreed. I initially went to XFCE because I didn't like Gnome3.
>
> My reaction is the same. The desktop settings of XFCE are really easy to
> modify and I have it the way I want it. I plan to stay with XFCE as well.
>
> I haven't tried LXDE, but this thread is making me want to take a look
> at that, too.
I am pretty happy with my switch to XFCE too.  However, opening dialogs 
and windows is still dramatically slower under F15 vs F14.  So what else 
changed?  Is Gnome actually multiple layers with the window manager we 
switched out for XFCE only being the top layer of the stack?  Is there a 
layer above the xorg X server that is slowing things down?  So a part of 
the revamped Gnome is still there regardless.  I ask because the 
gnome-system-monitor reports that it is running Gnome 3.0.1 even though 
it is running XCFE.  Perhaps the slow dialog creation is unrelated to 
the windowing system...?  I hate having to try and do performance 
analysis on open source applications to try and determine what the 
bottleneck is.  The OS is supposed to just work.  Not make my life 
miserable.
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F15 slow tooltip and dialogs

[Frederick N. Brier]

I made side reference to this issue in another post.  When I upgraded 
from F14 to F15 the tool tips and some dialogs became very slow.  If 
this is not the case for most people, is it possibly a side-effect of 
doing an upgrade vs a clean install?  Most everything else is okay.  
Running XFCE instead of Gnome3 is snappier, but the smart code 
completion tooltip/dialogs and Chrome's bookmark dialog are still 
painfully slow.  Thank you.

Fred
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Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...

[Frederick N. Brier]

On 09/09/2011 03:57 PM, Clemens Eisserer wrote:
>> A lot of people dismissed KDE after the rough time of version 4.0, in
>> a similar way that Gnome3 is now losing its userbase. But today KDE4
>> is a beautiful, stable and very user-friendly DE.
> Stable? I had to wait until KDE-4.6 until I finally decided that
> waiting and reporting bugs won't fix its buginess.
> Switched to XFCE a few months ago, and didn't regret it. A traditional
> desktop as I like it (a lot like KDE3).
>
> - Clemens
Wow.  Thank you.  I was hesitant to try KDE after reading about 4.x, but 
XFCE has brought most of the snappiness back to my machine.  The Chrome 
bookmarks pop-up dialog and IntelliJ's smart code completion are still 
slower than they were under F14, but faster than Gnome3.  And it was SO 
easy to install.  I have done a lot with Fedora, but I have never 
installed a second Window Manager.  Just stuck with Gnome.  Yeah 
Fedora!  Gee, now I might try IceWM just for giggles. :)

Fred
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Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...

[Frederick N. Brier]

On 09/02/2011 07:31 AM, Stefan Held wrote:
> Am Freitag, den 02.09.2011, 09:44 -0400 schrieb Darryl L. Pierce:
>
>> Great points. If we didn't have change and innovation we'd all still be
>> using 80x25 monochrome text mode terminals.
What was wrong with 80x25 monochrome?  I liked the Hercules display :).  
No, but seriously, Gnome3 is irritating.  To have to click on Activities 
to change and repaint the whole screen, and then select the category of 
an item you want (if you have not added it to your favorites), then 
click on it, then repaint the screen again.  And the screen real estate 
for the Activities text does nothing else.  Nothing.  You can't even 
right click on it.

You also can't right click on the "desktop menu items" and bring up 
their properties.  Can't copy and edit them (I like that for rdesktop 
and other commands that have parameters).  No, you have to find the old 
MainMenu utility and create an item in the non-existent menu so it will 
show up.  Maybe there is another way, but it ain't intuitive.

What's with no right clicks?  Only one mouse button?  Instead of Unix's 
3 buttons?  Is this a lowest common denominator solution for someone who 
installs Linux on a Mac?

I have been using Gnome3 for over 3 weeks now.  I tried adding AWN.  
Tweaking different parameters.  It is STILL annoying.  And SLW.  
There is a reason why menus have been around so long.  So yeah, I guess 
I think the Gnome guys fumbled the ball.

I liked Gnome2.  Mostly I liked all the nice GUI utilities built on top 
of it.  And now I am not sure what I am going to do.

> It was only a change, no innovation .
>
> http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/76280/
>
>

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F15 and Chrome

[Frederick N. Brier]

I upgraded to F15 a couple of weeks ago.  Everything is slower, but 
Google Chrome behaviour is driving me crazy.  For example, when I 
bookmark a page, a little dialog pops up.  The frame of the dialog will 
come up almost immediately, but then it takes at least 40+ seconds for 
the widgets to paint.  Once I click the dialog's Done button, Chrome 
becomes unresponsive for another 40+ seconds.  Chrome was uber-fast 
before upgrading from F14 to F15.  What is going on?  And it isn't just 
Chrome, it is all my applications, IntelliJ, Thunderbird, the whole 
windowing system.  What is going on?  I must be missing some critical 
configuration.  I cannot believe that Fedora team would release 
something with these behaviour characteristics.

My hardware is not terrible.  It is a 3Ghz quad-core Phenom II, 8GB RAM, 
nVidia 7950 GT, 3Ware controller with 7200rpm Seagate NS drives.  The 
nVidia drivers are installed.  Nothing has changed.  I had a minor issue 
with X/Gnome initially not coming up, but once I tweaked the yum.repos.d 
files and the new service startup config files, everything worked.  It 
is just SO sw.

Fred
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"Dummy Output" sound device for new user

[Frederick N. Brier]

One user on a Fedora14 x86_64 install has sound.  The Sound Preferences 
on the Output tab shows an "Internal Audio Analog Stereo" device.  I 
created and switched to a new user.  Sound Preferences shows only a 
"Dummy Output" device and does not play sound.  How do I fix this?  
Thank you.
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Re: yum error creating exported file system for diskless client

[Frederick N. Brier]

I went through the files in the yum.repos.d directory including fedora.repo, 
fedora-updates.rep and fedora-updates-testing.repo, and swapped out the baseurl 
lines with macro variables with an absolute repo's URL, ie:

#baseurl=http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/$releasever/Everything/$basearch/os/
baseurl=http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/fedora.redhat/linux/releases/13/Everything/x86_64/os/

That worked.  I was able to install base OS and follow all the other steps.  I 
am now having a different issue with the tftp timing out on the diskless 
workstation, but that may be related to the motherboard's built-in Ethernet 
port or a conflict with dnsmasq and tftpd.  Still working on that, but if 
taking the macro variables out of the baseurl gives anyone a hint as to what 
this problem was, please let me know.  I was not having any problems with 
normal yum updates, just installing the OS into a different directory, so I 
will probably switch the baseurl back.  Thank you for any help.

On 02/06/2011 04:22 AM, Frederick N. Brier wrote:

I was following the directions in Chapter 18. Setting Up A Remote Diskless System 
<https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/14/html/Storage_Administration_Guide/nfs-diskless-systems.html>
 and got to 18.3 
<https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/14/html/Storage_Administration_Guide/diskless-nfs-config.html>
 where it said Fedora could be installed to a directory that would be exported.  I had 
previously created a 2GB ext4 LVM volume and mounted it at /diskless/myhostname and then 
attempted to execute the yum command:

[root@myserver yum.repos.d]# yum groupinstall Base 
--installroot=/diskless/myhostname
Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit
fedora/metalink 
   |  18 kB 00:00
Could not parse metalink 
https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=fedora-$releasever&arch=x86_64 
error was
No repomd file
Error: Cannot retrieve repository metadata (repomd.xml) for repository: fedora. 
Please verify its path and try again
[root@myserver yum.repos.d]#

yum update works fine.  I tried doing a "yum clean all".  Did not fix it.  What 
step am I missing?  Thank you.


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yum error creating exported file system for diskless client

[Frederick N. Brier]

I was following the directions in Chapter 18. Setting Up A Remote Diskless System 

 and got to 18.3 

 where it said Fedora could be installed to a directory that would be exported.  I had 
previously created a 2GB ext4 LVM volume and mounted it at /diskless/myhostname and then 
attempted to execute the yum command:

[root@myserver yum.repos.d]# yum groupinstall Base 
--installroot=/diskless/myhostname
Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit
fedora/metalink 
   |  18 kB 00:00
Could not parse metalink 
https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=fedora-$releasever&arch=x86_64 
error was
No repomd file
Error: Cannot retrieve repository metadata (repomd.xml) for repository: fedora. 
Please verify its path and try again
[root@myserver yum.repos.d]#

yum update works fine.  I tried doing a "yum clean all".  Did not fix it.  What 
step am I missing?  Thank you.
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