Re: strange results of history command list

[Joe Wulf via users]

 It truly depends on how the default management of bash history is set up in 
the virgin environment.Variables like HISTCONTROL, HISTIGNORE can play a part.  
The setting for 'shopt -s histappend' also matters.The BASH man page briefly 
explains them.
R,-Joe

On Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 12:17:41 PM EDT, AV via users 
 wrote:  
 
 This is on fedora 40, a fresh 'everything' network install.
I always update/upgrade manually using 'sudo dnf --refresh upgrade'.
To save typing I would scroll through the command history using the
arrow keys.
But 'sudo dnf --refresh upgrade' is no longer listed!
All other commands I used are still listed, but not this one.
Can somebody explain?

AV
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Re: How do I stop this malware

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 FF doesn't provide the fidelity to kill 'just one tab'.

On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 10:06:30 PM EDT, Michael Hennebry 
 wrote:  
 
 On Thu, 5 Oct 2023, Roger Heflin wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 1:11?PM Michael Hennebry
>  wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 30 Sep 2023, George N. White III wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 30, 2023 at 11:19?AM Michael Hennebry <
>>> henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> This is trying to cure the disease by eliminating a symptom.  You don't
>>> know what is
>>> happening behind that full screen.
>>
>> Going fullscreen is part if what makes
>> it hard to even try to make it go away.
>>
>> The malware does three things:
>> 1. It shows an image.
>> 2. It goes fullscreen.
>> 3. It disables buttons.
>>
>> Preventing 1 would seem a really bad idea.
>> I'd like to prevent 2 or 3.
>
> Did you try alt-tab to switch to another application (say a terminal)
> to kill the tab from the command line?
>
> I don't think the full screen trick inside firefox can stop that, and
> I think I have hit a few of these half-assed websites before, but
> alt-tab must have worked for me to bypass them and kill the tab.

I can switch to another virtual console,
but do not know how to kill just one tab.
I can got out of it by disconnecting the ethernet cable,
but would rather disconnect with the GUI.

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Re: SSH problem

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 Additional troubleshooting should include including '-' for the ssh 
command invocation.

On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 12:23:51 PM EST, Veli-Pekka Kestilä 
 wrote:  
 
 On 10.1.2023 14.28, Frank Elsner via users wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> today I faced the following problem:
> 
> Some of my panel entries do not work. Investigation on the command line level
> shows that every second ssh call doesn't work. But why?
> 
> [frank@siffux ~]$ ssh christo "mate-terminal&" &
> [1] 15817
> 
> This command brings up a window running mate terminal
> 
> [frank@siffux ~]$ ssh christo "mate-terminal&" &
> [2] 15827
> [frank@siffux ~]$ X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
> Failed to parse arguments: Cannot open display:
> 
> This is the error behaviour.
> 
> What's going on? How to solve the problem?

I don't know how to solve the problem but can confirm that I have the 
same one. From what I have deducted so far is that sshd in F36 and F37 
generates new xauth token and replaces the old one every time new 
connection is opened. I can fix the problem by running xauth list after 
the first connection and then xauth add with the data from xauth list to 
restore the original authentication token every time new connection is 
created.

One might make a hack with /etc/ssh/sshrc or .ssh/rc to muck with the 
tokens, but I am not sure it's a good fix on the long run. Would be nice 
to know what changed from F35, but I don't unfortunately have any 
installed anymore.

-vpk
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Re: libnvidvia

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 I found references to it here:  
https://pkgs.org/download/libnvidia-encode.so.1There is a set of 3 RPMs 
available for Fedora 37.

I also found references to it here:  
https://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=libnvidia-encode.so.1Also 
found some applicable to Fedora 37, and some of these seem to be newer 
version(s) than @PKGS.
YMMV!Best of luck!!
R,-Joe


On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 07:55:17 PM EST, Bill Cunningham 
 wrote:  
 
      I have the hand brake cli installed in my f37 distro environment. 
It complains it wants libnvidia-encoder.so1 library or such. I have 
tried dnf provides and I get nothing from the standard fedora 37 repo as 
well as rpmfusion's free repo. This must be required in creating a mv4 
from an ISO from a DVD created using genisoimage. Does anyone know an 
answer to this?  I am not finding this shared library. Trying to create 
using,

HandBrakeCLI -i iso.iso -o iso.m4v ,

gives errors but there's no breaking. The CLI reports 10% done but 
doesn't advance any farther than that.

B
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Re: Grub Background Image not Displayed in Grub Boot Menu

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 Steve,
Move the png file somewhere under /boot; as likely /usr isn't mounted during 
initial grub boot processing.
As a side note, in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX, your 'nouveau' and 'nvidia' entries are 
duplicated.
R,-Joe


On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 11:44:25 PM EDT, Stephen Morris 
 wrote:  
 
   Hi,
     I have the following default config file in /etc/default/grub, and I have 
issued the grub2-mkconfig command to update /boot/grub2/grub.cfg which confirms 
that it found the background image, and when I look at /boot/grub2/grub.cfg it 
contains the necessary command to load png support and contains the 
background-image command to load the referenced image file, but the background 
does not display when the grub menu does, what am I missing? I've had used the 
grub-customizer app, without doing any config changes, and it successfully load 
the image from the specifications in /etc/default/grub.
 
 GRUB_TIMEOUT=100 
 GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR="$(sed 's, release .*$,,g' /etc/system-release)" 
 GRUB_DEFAULT=saved 
 GRUB_DISABLE_SUBMENU=false 
 GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT="gfxterm" 
 GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="rd.driver.blacklist=nouveau modprobe.blacklist=nouveau 
nvidia-drm.modeset=1 rhgb quiet rd.driver.blacklist=nouveau 
modprobe.blacklist=nouveau
 nvidia-drm.modeset=1" 
 GRUB_DISABLE_RECOVERY="false" 
 GRUB_ENABLE_BLSCFG=false 
GRUB_BACKGROUND=/usr/share/sddm/themes/Galaxy-SDDM_3hu72/Galaxy-SDDM_3hu72.png
 
 regards,
 Steve
 
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Re: NAS purchase advice

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 I've used Thecus NAS's for many years, recommended them to co-workers and 
friends seeking the same kinds of solutions.  Back when I was looking to go way 
beyond local USB-connected hard drives for my home network, I did my own 
research into what existed for NAS solutions at the time (2010-2011).  I had 
looked into QNAP, WD World, Synology, FreeNAS, etc...

FWIW, I bought my first NAS from Thecus, the N7700SAS with seven 2TB drives in 
2011.  I used RAID5 with approximately 11T of storage.  The N7700SAS NAS is 
still operational, with about 98% uptime (in the last year it has begun to shut 
itself off on its own periodically).  Other than that, it has been ROCK solid.  
Since then I've bought the N5550 (five drive bays) in 2017 and have five 14TB 
drives in it, under RAID5.  Again, it is rock solid and I've been running it at 
99.99+ uptime.  It meets all your bullets (which I've numbered), with the 
following caveats:-  Bullet 3: that is up to how you allow access to the NAS 
via your firewall/network topology. 
-  Bullet 6: that too is up to how you allow access to the NAS via your 
firewall/network topology.
Thecus does a really good job of testing and validating a variety of memory and 
hard drive configurations; and they also provide insights into drives they've 
tested/recommend, and those they do NOT recommend (and usually why); same for 
memory chips.  They keep their compatibility guides up to date.  For the N5810, 
you can, for example use five Western Digital Red Wolf Pro drives with a 
capacity of 18TB each.  I use the raid calculator site (raid-calculator.com) to 
test out various RAID vs size comparisons.
You can buy the Thecus n5810 tower 'shell' and separately purchase/supply the 
drives you want.  Currently the n5810 and n5810PRO are viable options.  The 
distinction is that the PRO version has a built-on UPS.  You'll have to 
evaluate for yourself the value of that configuration.  Additionally, they have 
other SOHO options (the n4350 and n2350; in four and two drive form-factors, 
respectively).

This is a spinning-disk solution, by the way.  Though Thecus has begun to 
build/test NAS solutions with SSD's, I've not yet seen a viable high-capacity 
SSD-based NAS from them---though still looking and hopeful.

Were I going to purchase another NAS today, I'd go with the N5810.It is kinda 
difficult through Thecus's web site to discover where you can go to buy their 
products.I found 'networkstorageworks.com' to be one that is reasonable in 
price.  

I'm not affiliated with Thecus nor networkstorageworks, simply a long-time 
happy Thecus customer.-Joe


   On Thursday, December 2, 2021, 04:46:59 AM EST, Walter Cazzola 
 wrote:  
 
 Dear Fedoers,

I'm planning to buy a NAS to backup my Linux boxes. I've spent few days at
looking for it on the Internet but I've some hard time to find a NAS that fits
my needs.

I intend to use it both the backup my data but also to keep consistent the
data on several linux-boxes. That is, the data are changed on one machine
(incrementally) back-upped and then restored from another one and vice versa.

As an inexperienced user, the characteristics I've pointed out are:
  1 - ethernet based NAS optionally with wake-on lan (ie., the capability of
    being turned on by a signal over the internet)
  2- Linux compliant ie.,
      - it should be formatted in ext3/4 or other *nix file system to maintain 
all
        the linux file details such as access rights, attributes, links, name
        lengths/characters, ...
      - rsync should be a viable solution to update/restore the backup
  3- files should be accessible over the internet possibly via ssh, https, or
    mount over the internet
  4- possibility to create multiple partitions, possibly also with multiple
    file systems.
  5- RAID 5 or better the supported replicated storage should be at least 5TB
  6- optionally I would also like to have some way to limit/control/monitor
    the accesses from the external, eg., via firewall (it will be on a
    intranet and I can put a firewall on the modem but it would be nice to
    have some extra control over security and privacy)

I do not have a net preference between mechanical and optical storage even
if I suppose that given the same storage size mechanical solutions are cheaper
and optical ones are faster. Probably cheaper (especially when associated with
more reliable) is better than faster.

>From your experience do you have some brand/model to suggest? Or something
that I should consider that I didn't list?

Thank you in advance for your help.

Walter

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Re: good/best source for replacement mem/drive

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 I verify what any given system would allow for an upgrade via 'crucial.com'.  
They are really good with that data.
Then I note the specifics and shop around, between crucial, amazon, newegg, 
tigerdirect and microcenter.Beyond them, I shop around via google searches for 
the exact components I require, comparing prices and any deals I can get in 
general, or via coupons I might have (or find by searching for them), etc I 
do also keep in mind the shipping costs, and estimated shipping timeframe.
In my experience most of what I've purchased in the last two years has been 
from either Newegg, or off Amazon (Prime).

As for the USB LAN connection devices I've not used one in a long time, but 
I found reasonably good throughput in the past.  They do 'work', but I've been 
wary/concerned in the past as the potential is there for physical damage to the 
laptop and/or that plugged-in component, depending on your situation, stability 
(where you are in one place for a while), or portability where you are packing 
up and setting up frequently (i.e. someone who travels a lot).  Your mileage 
may vary (YMMV)!!

On Friday, November 5, 2021, 11:25:53 AM EDT, bruce  
wrote:  
 
 Hi.

Thinking of upgrading a laptop.

Any opinions on good/best online to get 8G mem sticks as well as 1G
internal hard drive. Laptop will already have 256 SSD.

Also, anyone have opinions/thoughts on using the USB to LAN
connectors, as opposed to the onboard LAN interface/port?

thanks
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Re: umask for root

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 Check:  /etc/bashrc,   /etc/profile,  /root/.bash_profile and /root/.bashrc, 
in that order

On Monday, August 23, 2021, 04:46:48 PM EDT, François Patte 
 wrote:  
 
 
Bonjour,

What is the default umask for root?

Until now I thought it was 0022, but, today I can see it is 0077

Has something been changed somewhere in my install? Where?

Thank you.

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UFR de mathématiques et informatique
Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145
Université Paris Descartes
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F-75270 Paris Cedex 06
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Re: bash command

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 Patrick,
The structure within the paren's looks like what would be used for a 'grep -Ev' 
to find everything BUT that mix of patterns.
Can you explain what it is you are attempting to do, and provide some context, 
please.
Thank you.-Joe


On Friday, June 4, 2021, 2:14:53 PM EDT, Patrick Dupre  
wrote:  
 
 Hello,

Sorry, I am a bit of list
This command line works in a shell, but not in a bash
I may miss some quotes !
Thanks for your help.

/usr/bin/rm -v !(ZMAT*|out*|Out*|GENBAS|Note*)

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Re: Best video card with native drivers?

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 Alex,
In order to support two monitors today, and the addition of a 3rd 4K monitor in 
the futureyou'll need a video card which supports 3+ video ports and at 
least one of those ports must also support 4k output, i.e. 3840x2160 
resolution, at a minimum.
I research/review products, especially all the details in the SPECS, at the 
manufacturers webpage, and that's usually after searching/comparing/contrasting 
similar products on sites like MicroCenter, NewEgg, Amazon, as well as the 
former FRYs Electronics.
The Radeon RX 560 Richard Shaw suggested, has 3 video-out ports (1xHDMI 2.0b; 
1xDisplayPort 1.4; 1xDL-DVI-D) and supports resolutions up to 4096x2160 
(check!).  Newegg has it for a price within your range.  I suggest reviewing 
the graphic card power supply requirements versus the rest of the equipment in 
your desktop (i.e. total up all the watt's consumed) and ensure your desktop 
power supply sufficiently exceeds that capacity.

I purchased a pair of 4K monitors early last year to use with my new desktop.  
I choose the Samsung - UJ59.  Great 4k resolution at 32" in size, shop around 
for price as you should be able to secure one for $300-$400.
As for native open source drivers on Radeon equipment I cannot speak to that.  
My preference is for something out of the nVidia family of products as their 
drivers for Linux (Fedora, Red Hat, Centos) have just worked whereever I've 
used them (at work and at home; physical systems and virtual).  One card to 
consider would be the GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1050 TI N105TOC; it is very close to 
within your price range, has 3 video ports like the Radeon RX 560 card and 
outputs resolution up to 7680 x4320.
Thank you.
R,-Joe Wulf



On Sunday, March 7, 2021, 9:15:04 AM EST, Alex  
wrote:  
 
 Hi,
I have about $300 to spend on a new video controller for my desktop.
I'm using f33 with Xwayland and GNOME. I currently have two 27"
monitors and plan to get a third 32" 4K in the coming months. I have
an i7-8700 3.2Ghz on an Asus PRIME Z370-A with 64GB.
https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/All-series/PRIME-Z370-A/

 I use my desktop for basic photo editing, playing videos, and basic
office/browser work. What recommendations do you have? Here's my
requirements:

- native open source drivers
- supports at least three monitors
- PCIe x16
- support for 4K
- HDMI output
- audio not necessary

What other specs should I consider? I currently have an old Radeon
HD-5770 but I'm starting to find playing video within a browser is
less than fluid.

$ lspci -k | grep -A 2 -E "(VGA|3D)"
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
[AMD/ATI] Juniper XT [Radeon HD 5770]
        Subsystem: PC Partner Limited / Sapphire Technology Device e147
        Kernel driver in use: radeon

Thanks,
Alex
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Re: mysterious/suspicious internet activity.

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 Bill,
The pictures you shared look to me like very low amounts of data (2-6 
kilobytes).This is going to be the standard networking which goes on with linux 
all the time.System and network-based services are reaching out to the router 
(gateway)periodically to verify connectivity and the like.
I don't believe this is anything to worry about.
-Joe

On Monday, November 30, 2020, 12:57:18 PM EST, home user 
 wrote:  
 
 Fedora-32 home workstation; gnome.

In ksysguard, I've been noticing internet activity that I can't explain.  This 
has been going on for weeks, and it's making me uncomfortable.

What I do:
1. After the system has been powered down overnight, I boot it up.
2. I sign in to a user account.
3. My .bash_profile sources my .bashrc, sets PATH, and launches xeyes.  My 
.bashrc sources /etc/bashrc, sets PS1 and PATH, and defines aliases.
4. I launch ksysguard, then Spectacle.
5. I wait several seconds, then take a screen-capture of ksysguard's display.

To get a good sample, I did five screen-captures.  Here are the google drive 
links to them:
"https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EdlSgKY0fJpU7r3nbstWA7G_2C93gOgO/view?usp=sharing;
"https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jfocTMRnwguRdDIchoBtsNYYwQZr647i/view?usp=sharing;
"https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Tx3kDEMbL_TCZZ-F0YOVOXSy2D9G3MAM/view?usp=sharing;
"https://drive.google.com/file/d/157KU27QtsJTZghyRgeuafYSnvxR85im4/view?usp=sharing;
"https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AyZDRvcKYHYypNSU6AF9Fh34rh_l3q2J/view?usp=sharing;

Notes:
* neither Thunderbird nor any other e-mail client nor Firefox nor any other 
browser had been launched since powering up.
* as far as I know, nothing else that uses the internet had been launched since 
powering up.  actually, the only things I had running were xeyes, ksysguard, 
Spectacle, and (in the last screen-shot only) gnome terminal (which was idle).
* as far as I know, nothing is set to auto-update.
* as far as I know, nothing has telemetry permission enabled.

Yet there is persistent, continual (not continuous) internet activity in both 
directions.  What is it?  What on my system is communicating with what 
externally, and what is being communicated?  Unauthorized updating?  
Unauthorized telemetry?  Unauthorized distributed computing?  Spyware?  
Crypto-currency mining?

This is way outside my knowledge and experience.  I need good step-by-step 
instructions on this.

Thank-you in advance.
Bill.
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Re: Any better gnome-system-monitor?

[Joe Wulf via users]

 I like both atop and htop.  One little challenge with atop is when installing 
it during kickstart ks.cfg %post --chroot.  It gives a few errors, but are not 
insurmountable. Simply take the systemctl commands and get them executed after 
the 1st reboot.  It works quite well at that point.  Should your installation 
be after the 1st boot, after kickstarting it works like a charm.
-Joe

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020, 4:49:28 PM EDT, Bob Marcan 
 wrote:  
 
 Name        : atop
Version      : 2.5.0
Release      : 3.fc32
Architecture : x86_64
Size        : 377 k
Source      : atop-2.5.0-3.fc32.src.rpm
Repository  : @System
>From repo    : updates
Summary      : An advanced interactive monitor to view the load on system and 
process
            : level
URL          : http://www.atcomputing.nl/Tools/atop/
License      : GPLv2+
Description  : An advanced interactive monitor for Linux-systems to view the 
load on
            : system-level and process-level.
            : The command atop has some major advantages compared to other
            : performance-monitors:
            :    - Resource consumption by all processes
            :    - Utilization of all relevant resources
            :    - Permanent logging of resource utilization
            :    - Highlight critical resources
            :    - Watch activity only
            :    - Watch deviations only
            :    - Accumulated process activity per user
            :    - Accumulated process activity per program
            : For more informations: http://www.atcomputing.nl/Tools/atop
            : The package does not make use of the patches available at
            : http://www.atcomputing.nl/Tools/atop/kernpatch.html
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Re: Deprecating SCP

[Joe Wulf via users]

 Improving the state of security for SCP is overdue.  Like you've said, Jakub, 
the code just hasn't been worked on in a long time, nor been well-maintained.
I am curious to better understand if the scp binary, as implemented, has 
security-related issues of concern here (along with old code), or if the 
protocol being used is the significant issue; or maybe a mixture of both.

At this point, almost any direction to improve scp is welcome and appreciated 
by many.  One challenge for adoption of the method you are proposing (and 
working on), is that conflict between the easy/casual use of scp via 
established channels where ssh is already accepted (keys, etc) versus those 
environments (or set of systems) where an sftp server running is forbidden due 
to security hardening requirements.
Security hardening is a scrupulous effort in many places. Reduce the attack 
surface, is but one mantra.  As others have pointed out, the ease with which to 
quickly move some files will never go away, and in that regard, scp has been 
'good enough' both from a functionality, as well as security-hardening, 
perspectives.

Proposing/discussing how to approach the deprecation of scp-as-we-know-it-today 
would help, too.
Thank you.
R,-Joe Wulf

On Monday, November 2, 2020, 10:54:59 AM EST, Jakub Jelen 
 wrote:  
 
 On 11/2/20 4:36 PM, Kamil Dudka wrote:
> On Monday, November 2, 2020 3:44:39 PM CET Jakub Jelen wrote:
>> Hi Fedora users!
>>
>> Over the last years, there were several issues in the SCP protocol,
>> which lead us into discussions if we can get rid of it in upstream [1].
>> Most of the voices there said that they use SCP mostly for simple ad-hoc
>> copy and because sftp utility does not provide simple interface to copy
>> one or couple of files back and forth and because of people are just
>> used to write scp rather than sftp.
>>
>> Some months ago, I wrote a patch [2] for scp to use SFTP internally
>> (with possibility to change it back using -M scp) and ran it through
>> some successful testing. The general feedback from upstream was also
>> quite positive so I would like to hear also opinions from our users.
>>
>> It still has some limitations (missing -3 support, it will not work if
>> the server does not run sftp subsystem, ...), but it should be good
>> enough for most common use cases.
>>
>> Today, I set up a copr repository with the current openssh from Fedora +
>> the patch [2] for anyone to test and provide feedback, either here on
>> the mailing list, or in the github PR according to ones preferences.
>>
>> I am looking for any kind of feedback from the idea through the
>> usability, implementation. Is this something you would like to see in
>> Fedora soon? Do you have something against this? Is your use case missing?
>>
>> [1]
>> https://lists.mindrot.org/pipermail/openssh-unix-dev/2020-June/038594.html
>> [2] https://github.com/openssh/openssh-portable/pull/194/
>> [3] https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/jjelen/openssh-sftp/
> 
> How is the "compatibility scpd to support old clients" going to differ
> from the current implementation?

I can think of a solution that in the end, there will be just the server 
parts of the current scp and the client code branches will be gone or 
support sftp only. But this can change as we are not there yet.

> libcurl implements its own SCP client over libssh.  Will this implementation
> continue to work after OpenSSH gets updated on servers?

With the above update, everything will work as before -- it affects only 
the client scp binary.

> Applications often allow users to pass arbitrary URLs to libcurl.  So one can,
> for example, use scp:// URLs to specify a kickstart for Anaconda.  The fact
> that scp utility will be reimplemented over SFTP does not help much in this
> case.  Each build of libcurl that supports scp:// supports sftp:// as well.
> But libcurl will not transmit scp:// requests over sftp:// in case SCP is not
> supported by the remote server any more.

As Simo wrote, I think it is something that will have to happen sooner 
or later inside of libcurl or libssh or in users configurations. But 
again, the above change should not have any effect on this.

Regards,
-- 
Jakub Jelen
Senior Software Engineer
Crypto Team, Security Engineering
Red Hat, Inc.
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Re: Off-Topic - please do not shoot the messenger

[Joe Wulf via users]

 @David, wish you great success here.  Yes, I for one would like to see the 
fedora implementation video, too.

On Monday, August 24, 2020, 3:46:14 PM EDT, David  
wrote:  
 
 I have been using Fedora Rawhide as my only operating systemfor over a year.   
  I love it.
My teenager is attending school this semester 100% online and they are100% on 
their own to do all their studies, as my wife and I are not ableto be there to 
help.    The stress of all that is overwhelming.
Due to various logistics, I just had to buy her a computer, andafter careful 
pondering, I purchased the ACER 24 inchAll-in-One Chrome-based computer.      I 
am extremely impressed withthis device ( but it is $ 600 ).      My only regret 
now is not getting a more powerful one.     Why is that you may ask, as Chrome 
OS is fairly lightweight ?
Running GNU/Linux on this computer is a breeze.    Based on my firstimpression, 
this implementation of Linux just may be the futureof mainstream desktop Linux.
The Linux that is installed is "Debian 10 Buster."    I do not know much 
aboutDebian.     But the integration of the apps with Chrome was amazing.    
Anyonefamiliar with Gnome 3, can figure this implementation out.
In the present form of this implementation of Linux, a person would eitherhave 
to already know some Linux, or have a tutor or someone sit down with themand 
show them what all the hoopla is about.
This purchase may just be the best investment that I ever made.
Only downside so far, is that certain apps may be limited in function.    For 
example,I could not change the tiles in the game "gnome-mahjongg."    
I do not yet know enough about this implementation to do everything I want to 
do, butit looks like I will be able to figure it out.     You have to know 
Debian command line andunderstand the exact names of the programs in their 
repository to install them.
Here is a basic summary of how to get started.        1 )    In the Settings 
Menu is a icon of cute fat penquin that says "Linux Beta."   Click install      
        and wait a few minutes depending on your internet speed.    This 
machine has ethernet.
       2 )   a linux terminal pops up, and you can make it full-screen.      
the command line will be:
              name@penguin:~$
       3 )   sudo work out of the box ( and with no password ).      so, 
               type "sudo apt-get install gnome-mahjonng aisleriot 
libreoffice-writer" would install those               three programs
you can launch them from terminal or go to the graphical launcher and there 
will be an icon for Linux apps.
I now have a whole lot of new fun stuff to learn, like how to run Fedora 
Rawhide on a ChromeOS computer.Supposedly there will be a way to load it from a 
USB flash-drive.
I will try to make a video someday on YouTube about all this.
David LocklearArcola, Texas USA
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Re: looking for a NAS ...

[Joe Wulf via users]

 I've been a Thecus.com NAS consumer for well over a decade.  I personally own 
two now.
I bought the N7700SAS, in 2009 when it would support a max of seven 2TB drives, 
with about 10.5 GB RAID5 storage.In all this time, it's got about 98% uptime 
and I've only had to ever replace 1 drive.  Hot-swapped it, took a day'ish to 
rebuild the array and been ROCK-solid ever since.  Yes it is still up and 
running.

When that space wasn't enough, I bought the N5550 and initially put five 4TB 
drives in it, RAID5.  Been ROCK solid for 4+ years with zero drive failures.  
Just a year ago, I swapped out the 4TB drives for 15TB drives, rebuilt the 
array and its had 99.99%+ uptime on an APC UPS.  So, even with house 
power-outages due to storms, its remained fully up.  Firmware upgrades have 
been painless and they just work.  XFS has been natively available for a 
decade+.

Highly recommended and have NEVER been disappointed with Thecus.  I've made 
suggestions to colleagues about them, and at least 5 that I know of have 
invested in Thecus.  I've made suggestions to several business looking for a 
quality SOHO NAS over the years and they've all been happy with what they've 
purchased from Thecus.
Disclaimer: I'm only a consumer, no affiliation (and no commissions, damn it).
Today, the N5810 could be a worthwhile investment.  The PRO version is on their 
homepage demonstrated.  Their site has good pictures of all their equipment.  
Their SPEC lists are impressive.

The company is out of Taiwan, and their documentation reflects it (i.e. some 
poorly translated english), but most of it is well-put together.  The PRO 
version comes with a mini-ups... your choice on the value/need of it.
After reviewing your requirements; the 5810 tower will meet most of your needs, 
but:-  It only comes in a 5BAY model.  Still, you can easily put five 16TB 
drives in it... so capacity shouldn't be an issue.-  Almost all your other 
requirements are easily met by their standard functionality; check out their 
SPECs
-  The only thing I believe it would be lacking is the 10G network(s); it does 
have dual NICs and can do bonding to accelerate throughput, but it will only be 
two 1G LAN ports.
Having said all that, their next model up which might satisfy you, is a 
rack-mount, the N8910, which will then meet the 10G dual NICs (review their 
compatibility list); again it is RackMount.  It does have a front-facing small 
LCD indicator screen.  It does support 8 internal drives, and capacity of up to 
18TB drives spinning disk (WD Gold Series).  Various SSD drives are also 
supported.  A simple search found a price of $1799.99USD for the case itself.

As far as system RAM in any of these, what they provide IS adequate.  On my 
N7700SAS it came with 2GB and hasn't been a problem with TONS of 
reading/writing; like I said, I'm still using it today.  Had iSCSI partitions 
on it for a while when I was playing in that arena and testing at home.  Worked 
just great.
My n5550 came with 4GB and I upgraded it to 8GB.  Didn't NEED to, didn't have a 
problem, but wanted to.  It was an effortless upgrade and been rock-solid ever 
since; just wanted to see if it could be done and what the issues might be 
(none!).  YMMV  Thecus does tell you what the MAX RAM upgrade capability is in 
their SPECs, so that is helpful info to know right up front.

The underlying OS is a busybox-based linux (which may, or maynot be true for 
the N8910).  It works, is minimal and I've had no issues with it.  Gaining SSH 
access was initially a bit of a trick, but do'able after a few internet 
searches.  Their systems usually have an HDMI port and USB ports, so a 
monitor/keyboard are able to be added and used that way.  In both of my 
systems, simply having SSH access has been more than sufficient; never have 
needed to attempt connecting a monitor/keyboard.  But I've not had crashes like 
you've described, either.

Hope that helps.


On Thursday, August 20, 2020, 8:33:06 PM EDT, Cameron Simpson 
 wrote:  
 
 On 21Aug2020 10:29, Cameron Simpson  wrote:
>In a former life we ran our backups to QNAP NASes in a data centre. 
>They
>were nice boxes with a little LED console strip on the front and for
>when desperate, a video out and a USB socket which would take a keyboard
>on the back. We were happy.

BTW, did I say "LED strip". I meant LCD text display - when happy it 
showed the IP address and a little status, when unhappy an error 
message.

- Cameron
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Re: Feature Request for long links

[Joe Wulf]

Interesting and thoughtful possibility.  However, be careful of what you ask 
for.I see the potential for malicious use of such a 'feature' by the multitudes 
of miscreants who deliberately do damage. 


  From: Beartooth 
 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
 Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 4:26 PM
 Subject: Feature Request for long links
   

    Firefox, along with few other browsers, has one valuable feature 
that should spread. If you copy a *long* link (like, say, three to five 
lines long in an email) into its address bar, it will eliminate the 
spaces that come from line ends, and go to the site.

    With most other browsers, you have to proofread the pasted URL, 
finding and removing the gaps. Irritating, and a waste of time.

    No doubt the code to fix those links is internal to Firefox, and 
one would have to beg umpteen developers each to adopt it. But need it be?

    Could Fedora maybe go into the code, say between any browser and 
the networking code that tells the computer to send a link, and insert 
something to clean the link before acting on it?

    This would be a great boon, especially those of us who surf with 
arthritic eyeballs and trifocal fingers.

-- 
Beartooth Staffwright, Not Quite Clueless Power User
Remember I know little (precious little!) of where up is
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Re: remote ssh awk!

[Joe Wulf]

It is harder, without source sample data to also work with, but, I believe the 
following would work:ssh $id@$ip "cat /dog/aaa.dat | awk \'\!a[\$0]++\' > 
/dog/aaa.dat_tmp"
Backslashes before both of the single quotes, before the exclamation mark 
(processed by the bash shell affecting history), and before the dollarsign 
(processed by the bash shell, as an environment variable).Another option might 
be to escape (i.e. place a backslash) before the open and close brackets ([ ]).

  From: bruce 
 To: Community support for Fedora users  
 Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 10:20 AM
 Subject: remote ssh awk!
   
Hey...

Curious as to how to get the following to work remotely over SSH. The
cmd is used to remove redundant lines, while maintaining order in the
output file.

The following works if I insert it in the remote term.
  cat /dog/aaa.dat | awk '!a[$0]++' > /dog/aaa.dat_tmp


However I'm unable to get the cmd to work via SSH from the local to
the remote. I've tried the following...
ssh  crawl_user@67.205.11.111  cat /dog/aaa.dat | awk '!a[$0]++' >
/dog/aaa.dat_tmp
ssh  crawl_user@67.205.11.111 ' cat /dog/aaa.dat | awk '!a[$0]++' >
/dog/aaa.dat_tmp '
ssh  crawl_user@67.205.11.111 " cat /dog/aaa.dat | awk '!a[$0]++' >
/dog/aaa.dat_tmp "
ssh  crawl_user@67.205.11.111 ' cat /dog/aaa.dat | awk '\!a[$0]++' >
/dog/aaa.dat_tmp '
ssh  crawl_user@67.205.11.111 " cat /dog/aaa.dat | awk '\!a[$0]++' >
/dog/aaa.dat_tmp "

ssh  crawl_user@67.205.11.111 ' cat /dog/aaa.dat | awk '"\!"a[$0]++' >
/dog/aaa.dat_tmp '
ssh  crawl_user@67.205.11.111 " cat /dog/aaa.dat | awk '"\!"a[$0]++' >
/dog/aaa.dat_tmp "


In some cases, the cmd returns -- bash: !a[$0]++: event not found


In the case
 ssh  crawl_user@67.205.11.111 " cat /dog/aaa.dat | awk '\!a[$0]++' >
/dog/aaa.dat_tmp "
  the return is:
    awk: \!a[bash]++
    awk: ^ backslash not last character on line

The escapsed cmds seem to work, but in reality, only generates the 1st
line in the file!
  ssh  crawl_user@67.205.11.111 " cat /dog/aaa.dat | awk '"\!"a[$0]++'
> /dog/aaa.dat_tmp "


Thoughts/comments???

Thanks
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Re: simple echo into multiple files...

[Joe Wulf]

Thanks Roberto, yes, that is elegant even.:)

  From: Roberto Ragusa <m...@robertoragusa.it>
 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 10:10 AM
 Subject: Re: simple echo into multiple files...
   
On 01/25/2017 03:42 PM, Joe Wulf wrote:
> Bruce,
> 
> #  Create two new files
> echo  'b'  |  tee  aa.aa  aaa.aa
> 

With wildcard expansion:

echo 'b' | tee *.aa

-- 
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Re: simple echo into multiple files...

[Joe Wulf]

Bruce,
#  Create two new filesecho  'b'  |  tee  aa.aa  aaa.aa
#  Append 'b' to two existing filesecho  'b'  |  tee  -a  aa.aa  aaa.aa
Strongly recommend getting "Unix In A NutShell" from O'Reilly and peruse it 
periodically; it is an excellent reference for all such things and will make 
you far more invaluable in researching and solving these kinds of problems.
  From: bruce 
 To: Community support for Fedora users  
 Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:02 AM
 Subject: simple echo into multiple files...
   
morn/quick question...

say you have
aa.aa
aaa.aa

is there a "simple" way to do
echo 'b' > *.aa

this doesn't work, gets a redirection error

I know one can write a quick bash/shell loop.. any other ways?

thanks
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Re: VMware Workstation vs KVM

[Joe Wulf]

I use a mixture of VMware Workstation on Linux and KVM both at home and at work.
One PRO for VMware Workstation is the existing library of VMs which serve 
various purposes.  Regenerating or rebuilding them all over again, as well as 
protecting the infrastructure of unique/local configurations would be too 
painful and simply not an efficient use of time.-  I've not experienced the 
cruft left behind from uninstalling VMware Workstation, as you'd mentioned; 
maybe that was a significantly older version?-  The issue of it breaking every 
2-3 kernel updates is a little vague; though this might simply be the 
outdatedness of an older instance of VMware Tools in the VM.  Simply keeping 
VMware Workstation up to date, and periodically ensuring your VM's get updated 
(consistent with the version of VMware Workstation) and that their internal 
VMware Tools also get updated will likely reduce the frequency of this problem, 
again, assuming it is kernel version to VMware Tools version related.
One PRO for KVM is its command-line ability to instantiate a VM from scratch, 
even to the point of giving it the right configuration, 'booting' it up, and it 
goes to the kickstart server to automatically build itself (of course the 
kickstart server has to have the wherewithal already established).  I'm 
disappointed that VMware has failed to include this staple in their PIX tools.

  From: ProPAAS DBA 
 To: Community support for Fedora users  
 Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 11:01 AM
 Subject: VMware Workstation vs KVM
   
Hi All;


I'm running Fedora 25 on a laptop with 16GB of ram. I'm frustrated with 
the VMware workstation reliably breaking every 2 to 3 kernel updates and 
sometimes with no reasonable fix in sight for some time. Not the end of 
the world and I get the reasons behind it, however I wonder if KVM might 
be a better plan. I used KVM many years ago and it was not quite as 
reliable & easy to work with as I needed.  I assume it's gotten better?

Questions:

- does anyone have experiences good and bad with KVM? Any gotcha's or 
common issues I should be aware of?

- Anyone have experience with both KVM and VMware? opinions on which is 
better, more stable, etc?

- Is is easy / possible to convert a VMware workstation VM to a KVM?

- With VMware I get the vmnet network and I don't have to do anything 
other than select nat, bridged, etc to get networking in place for a VM, 
even if I want to access te VM directly from another machine (i.e. not 
the local only network). Is this true with KVM as well?

- If I decide later to remove it does it remove cleanly? I dislike the 
vmnet & other bits VMware leaves around even after an uninstall


Thanks in advance..


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Re: encrypting /home partition post-install

[Joe Wulf]

I have to chime in here, as I've watched this thread... errrmm 'evolve'.
I've had excellent experiences with LVM, both personally and in enterprise-wide 
deployments, by default.  I've also helped a number of friends with their 
at-home linux explorations.  A number of times, both personally and 
professionally, LVM by virtue of being installed by default, has saved the day. 
 I've had situations where the user/owner needed to expand or migrate space, 
and with LVM it was a trivial exercise to accomplish that.  The overhead 
discussion I believe is overblown... LVM obviously has a smidge of overhead 
when used... but in enterprise deployments that washes out as noise compared to 
the value it brings when problems arise.  Edge cases where fedora is leveraged 
on older hardware with limited resources, are just that... edge cases.

Bottom line, it seems the quibbling is over perceptions, past issues/successes 
and choices regarding implementation.  Maybe it would be best to agree there 
are differences, there is value in that, and lets focus on more tangible issues 
each of us can meaningfully contribute to.
Thank you.

R,-Joe
 From: Patrick O'Callaghan 
 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2015 11:31 AM
 Subject: Re: encrypting /home partition post-install
   
On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 19:07 -0600, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Patrick O'Callaghan  said:
> > On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 15:31 -0600, Chris Adams wrote:
> > > With LVM, I still get /dev/vg_foo/lv_bar, and
> > > don't care what raw device the underlying partition is, how it is
> > > connected, etc. (very useful for example when taking an internal
> > > drive from one computer and connecting it via an external adapter
> > > of
> > > some type on another).
> > 
> > Which is fine if a) the second machine also runs LVM (what if it's
> > on
> > an Ubuntu machine without LVM, rather than Fedora?) and b) the two
> > use
> > the same LVM logical layout.
> 
> For (a), the only Ubuntu system I have access to also has LVM; do
> they not even install the lvm tools?

I've no idea. I don't even have a Ubuntu installation. It was a
hypothetical question. For Ubuntu susbstitute Mint, Opensuse or
whatever. Not all Linux distros install LVM by default.

> For (b), I have no idea what you mean by "same LVM logical
> layout".  The PV size, VG and LV names, etc. are all part of a
> particular device. They don't have to match in any way a separate
> device (on the same or on a different computer).

A good demonstration of the problems with LVM terminology. What do you
mean by device? I often feel that many of the issues people have with
LVM are caused by this sort of thing. I last used LVM several years ago
and clearly remember reading over the docs multiple times before making
what should have been a simple change, before finally resorting to
asking the list. I don't doubt that people who use it every day are
comfortable with it, but most of us just don't, so if I had to repeat
the experience I would no doubt go through the same learning curve only
to forget it again when I finished.



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Re: An interesting sort problem

[Joe Wulf]

I've encountered this problem before.  Bruno is correct, sort criteria begin at 
the start of the line.What I've done was pipe my file through awk, moving the 
last word to be the 'first' word on the line... pipe that into sort, then back 
into awk again putting the 'first' word last.

  From: Bruno Wolff III 
 To: jd1008  
Cc: Fedora Community Users Support  
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 4:23 PM
 Subject: Re: An interesting sort problem
   
On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 13:54:50 -0700,
  jd1008  wrote:
>The sort command does not provide for a way to say that the key is the 
>last word in a line,
>where the file contains lines of varying number of words,
>and where words are groups of characters without spaces or tabs.
>
>Thus
>
>sort -k   
>
>How can one tell sort to chose the last word in the line as the sort key?

You can't. Field specifiers are relative to the start of the line. There 
isn't a way to specify them relative to the end of the line.

>
>The key is always the entirety of the last word.

If you just need grouping and not a particular order you might try something 
like:
rev  | sort | rev

If you need something specific, you'll probably need to write your own 
program. It should be reasonably short in perl.


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Re: Looking for application to clone a disk with incremental backup

[Joe Wulf]

"Acronis True Image" is an excellent commercial product.Can get down to the bit 
level of every part of a hard drive, partition or file structure, and can 
accomplish incremental backups, too.
  From: Paul Smith 
 To: Community support for Fedora users  
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 3:08 PM
 Subject: Looking for application to clone a disk with incremental backup
   
Dear All,

Do you know of some application to clone a disk with incremental
backup? I know about clonezilla, but, unfortunately, clonezilla does
not have yet differential/incremental backup implemented. (
http://clonezilla.org/ )

Thanks in advance,

Paul
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Re: /boot and encrypted partitions?

[Joe Wulf]

Linux for many years as supported encrypting most partitions on your system, 
with the exception of /boot./boot contains the basic/initial BOOT configuration 
of your system... that means, by definition, it must be discernable---and thus 
cannot be encrypted.  Without an un-encrypted /boot partition, there isn't 
sufficient intelligence for the physical computer to get booted up.
  From: Dave Johansen davejohan...@gmail.com
 To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
 Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 11:28 AM
 Subject: /boot and encrypted partitions?
   
I was luck enough to be bitten by this issue ( 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1212907 ) when attempting to do a 
clean install of F22. I copied all of my data off and then tried manually 
setting things up as separate partitions (instead of in an LVM) but it kept 
telling me that /boot couldn't be on a LUKS partition. The config I had was 
/home was encrypted and / was encrypted but then the biosboot partition was not 
encrypted, and all 3 were standard partitions. Is this something that's just 
not supported? Or was I doing something wrong?
Thanks,
Dave

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Re: /boot and encrypted partitions?

[Joe Wulf]

Linux for many years as supported encrypting most partitions on your system, 
with the exception of /boot./boot contains the basic/initial BOOT configuration 
of your system... that means, by definition, it must be discernable---and thus 
cannot be encrypted.  Without an un-encrypted /boot partition, there isn't 
sufficient intelligence for the physical computer to get booted up.
  From: Dave Johansen davejohan...@gmail.com
 To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
 Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 11:28 AM
 Subject: /boot and encrypted partitions?
   
I was luck enough to be bitten by this issue ( 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1212907 ) when attempting to do a 
clean install of F22. I copied all of my data off and then tried manually 
setting things up as separate partitions (instead of in an LVM) but it kept 
telling me that /boot couldn't be on a LUKS partition. The config I had was 
/home was encrypted and / was encrypted but then the biosboot partition was not 
encrypted, and all 3 were standard partitions. Is this something that's just 
not supported? Or was I doing something wrong?
Thanks,
Dave

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Re: Book Recommendation for Fedora users?

[Joe Wulf]

The Mark Sobell books are GOOD; I've not heard any rumors regarding a RHEL7 
update (sadly).A quick check/search showed me that the latest Fedora Bible is 
from 2011 for Fedora14.  That is definitely dated.
There is always (as you mentioned) the staple of existing Fedora Documentation. 
 Which, you could always peruse and even work to enhance for the benefit of the 
community at-large, if you were so inclined.

There 'are' differences between RHEL6 and RHEL7, yet a lot of the insights he 
provides are still excellent studying material.  I'd also recommend a good look 
through Red Hat's documentation, both for RHEL6 and RHEL7, from their web-site. 
 Nice as it will be to study and get certified for RHEL7--- what guarantees 
will you have that the system's you'll actively work on will be v7, as opposed 
to v6.  For the breadth of diversity, as well as providing optimal ROI to your 
current/future employer, being skilled on the nuances of both will likely 
garner greater success.
Setting up your own Fedora/Red Hat machines (VMs!) at home is an excellent 
opportunity to broaden your skills, too.  Demand more from yourself than anyone 
else can ever hope to request from you.

Your attitude of wanting to learn more and fix your own stuff is commendable... 
BRAVO!!I sense you'll do just fine and get past the learning curve, since 
you've the hunger to know more.
Recommend you always seek to achieve success, that you push yourself to learn 
more, that you spend some portion of your time giving back, and that the 
'output' you produce, in whatever form, for whomever... is always well-crafted 
(i.e. based on quality) versus quickly done (aka 'quantity').  There are times, 
certainly, when the required 'pace' is necessarily frenetic but when that 
becomes the norm, look out.  I have been lucky to work for employers who want 
deadlines met, yet the focus is on achieving them with a quality product.

Wish you the very best success!


  From: James Crace j...@sdf.org
 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 5:53 PM
 Subject: Book Recommendation for Fedora users?
   
Hi,

I've been using Fedora for several months now, and really like it. I would 
really like to know more about the inner workings and eventually get RH 
certified, so I'm wondering what you 
long-time users or RH certified folks would recommend book-wise. 

I've seen Mark Sobell's book on Amazon but it's a year old and I'm worried it 
would already be outdated. Besides the official Fedora Documentation, how can I 
learn more about the inner 
workings of my system? Many times when something goes wrong I have to appeal to 
others for advice, and while there is nothing wrong with that, I would like to 
know enough about my 
system to be able to troubleshoot and diagnose just about anything. I would 
also like to help others, and someday contribute back to the project. Right now 
I feel too ignorant to 
submit bug reports or try to contribute anything.

Besides daily use and experimenting, is there anything you'd recommend to move 
from casual user to power-user/contributor? 

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Re: So acrobat is dead for linux - long live evince?

[Joe Wulf]

evince has worked well for me for a good number of years now, and I use 
cups-pdf for 'printing' pdf's of web pages and such.  No issues here with 
either.
  From: Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com
 To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
 Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 9:15 PM
 Subject: So acrobat is dead for linux - long live evince?
   
So here I am setting up my new F21 system and of course pdf processing 
is a must, and on F20, I had many problems with evince. So I went to get 
acrobat, and it seems to be truly gone.

I see a thread of people running it in Wine.  I shutter at the thought, 
though I suppose if ya got to.

I have AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i486linux_enu.rpm here on my F20 system.  Is this 
the last/latest and it will work on F21?

What are people doing for pdf reading native on Fedora other than evince 
(F20 is 3.10, F21 is 3.14)?



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Re: Changing boot options through kickstart

[Joe Wulf]

I think your cleanest way would be a simple one-liner post-install sed command.




 From: CLOSE Dave dave.cl...@us.thalesgroup.com
To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 9:03 PM
Subject: Changing boot options through kickstart
 

Documentation tells me that kickstart allows an --append switch to the 
bootloader command to add additional text to the GRUB2 boot line. I 
haven't experimented with this and it is unclear to me if the change 
goes only into /boot/grub2/grub.cfg or if it is also put into 
/etc/default/grub. But adding things is not my objective.

I want to delete rhgb and quiet on the boot line, preferably in both 
places. Is there any way to do that through kickstart or do I have to 
use a post-install step?
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Re: recommendations on how to recover a corrupted, LVM-based hard drive?

[Joe Wulf]

One option to consider would be the tools from runtime.org.
They have been working on Linux oriented tools, though I've purchased and 
extensively used the window-related tools with stellar success.




 From: Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca
To: Fedora Users List users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 11:39 AM
Subject: recommendations on how to recover a corrupted, LVM-based hard drive?
 


  a friend asks me if there's a way to solve the following, not out of
any sense of urgency (since there are backups) but more out of a sense
of curiosity as to whether it can even be done.

  long story short, a 750G drive which *used* to be the primary drive
in a laptop was replaced with a newer drive, and the older drive was
reassigned to be the secondary drive, /dev/sdb. in order to
occasionally copy stuff from the old home directory, this entry was
added to /etc/fstab on the new system:

  /dev/vg1/home /opt/home     ext4    defaults        1 2

so that (obviously) what used to be the home logical volume in the
old vg1 volume group appeared under /opt/home, and was available for
the occasional restoration of old content.

  problem: person was trying to write a 2G bootable (embedded Linux)
image to an inserted USB drive and, rather than writing to /dev/sdc
(the USB drive), dded to /dev/sdb instead, overwriting the first 2G
of the secondary hard drive and, with it, whatever LSM content resided
in that first 2G.

  i have the drive connected to my fedora 20 laptop as /dev/sdb and,
sure enough:

$ sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb

Disk /dev/sdb: 698.7 GiB, 750156374016 bytes, 1465149168 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes
Disklabel type: dos
Disk identifier: 0x

Device    Boot     Start       End  Blocks  Id System
/dev/sdb1 *         2048    198655   98304   e W95 FAT16 (LBA)
/dev/sdb2         198656   3481599 1641472  83 Linux
$

  so while the physical disk correctly shows up as almost 700G, the
partition table has been replaced by the one from the embedded image,
rendering the rest of the hard drive inaccessible.

  is there any utility that will scan the drive beyond what is
referenced by the partition table and try to identify valid logical
volumes? i don't know anything offhand, so i'm open to suggestions.
thanks.

rday

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Re: permissions -

[Joe Wulf]

b stands for block device; just like c will represent a character device.

I looked all over the place for that kind of information years ago... 
strangely, I found in when scanning the man page for 'find'.





 From: Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA bobgood...@wildblue.net
To: Fedora List users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 3:05 PM
Subject: permissions -
 


I spent the last half hour googling with no success. What does the b 
mean and how is it controlled?

[root@box10 bobg]# ll /dev/sdb*
brw-rw. 1 root disk 8, 16 Sep 23 14:36 /dev/sdb
brw-rw. 1 root disk 8, 17 Sep 23 14:36 /dev/sdb1

Bob

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Re: permissions -

[Joe Wulf]

Bob,

In Unix everything is a file... regular files, links, directories as well as 
the block and character special devices.  These entities you are seeing have a 
specific purpose to keep the Unix Operating system functioning.

Now, the /bin/ls binary has functionality that allows colorization based upon 
file type, and other factors.  Yes, like you, I typically work in listings that 
are black and white for ease of viewing.

The block device for /dev/sdb is used by a driver in the kernel to access that 
disk drive.  /dev/sdb1, for example, would be the first partition on that disk 
drive, etc...

Why are you worried about these?





 From: Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA bobgood...@wildblue.net
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: permissions -
 



On 23/09/13 16:07, poma wrote:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ls;)
 File types

 $ ll --color /dev/sdb*

 $ file /dev/sdb*
 # file --special-files /dev/sdb*


 poma

Are you saying that the b is merely to control the color in a listing? 
I view everything in black and white.

Does it have any other effect?

Is there a mknod command to remove it, the man page does not make it 
clear to me.

Thanks for responding.

Bob

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Re: 3840x2160 resolution?

[Joe Wulf]

Interesting and impressive.
A 32 LCD on the desktop does seem a bit much in size and scope.
It is configured to be a usable 16:9 aspect ratio.  Very pleased to see that.


This has been an excellent site I refer to when monitor shopping:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_display_resolution
They tend to have a clue about practical sizes and their impacts.

So the one you are referring to is listed as a QFHD... very high quality 
resolution.


P.S.  So, you are saying the $5,800.00 price tag is a tad on the high side?
    http://www.provantage.com/sharp-pn-k321~7SHRL04F.htm
    Sadly their 'specs' do not identify useful details.





 From: Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com
To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 9:05 AM
Subject: 3840x2160 resolution?
 

I am fascinated by the idea of having a Sharp PN-K321 monitor
(but it will remain a fantasy till the price gets much lower :-).

Out of curiosity though, I'm wondering if anyone out there
in fedora-land has run a display at 3840x2160 and if so
what video card and/or cards you used (and if open source
drivers worked)?

The manual for the sharp makes it seem a bit weird. You
apparently have to run it as though it is two separate
1920x2160 displays - they just happen to exist right next
to each other with no bezel separating them.

Looking on newegg.com I find a few cards that claim to
support 3840x2160, but it isn't clear if they can act
like a dual display.
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Re: 3840x2160 resolution?

[Joe Wulf]

By chance, do you use two of these... side-by-side?





 From: DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com
To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: 3840x2160 resolution?
 

$ xdpyinfo | grep dimensions
  dimensions:    6880x1600 pixels (1818x423 millimeters)

That's four monitors on an ATI Radeon HD 6870 card, with proprietary
drivers.

Note: my solution to the widescreen monitor problem is to rotate them,
making them tallscreen monitors instead.
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Re: I've stopped receiving mail from fedora users

[Joe Wulf]

I'm in the same boat.  I've received an email requiring me to 'confirm' my 
email address.  I've been with yahoo for a decade+.  Mail has been reliable, 
solid and steady... the fedora mailing lists are the ONLY ones where I 
periodically get warnings about too many 'bounces'.  I was pleasantly suprised 
to see someone else identifying the issue.





 From: staticsafe m...@staticsafe.ca
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: I've stopped receiving mail from fedora users
 

On 4/19/2013 19:41, Geoffrey Leach wrote:
 On 04/19/2013 11:11:58 AM, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
 For the past few days I've stopped receiving e-mail from the fedora
 list.

 I' checked my fedora membership mailing list config and found this:

    We have received some recent bounces from your address.  Your
 current bounce score is 3.0 out of a maximum of 5.0.
    Please double check that your subscribed address is correct and
 that there are no problems with delivery to this address.
    Your bounce score will be automatically reset if the problems are
 corrected soon.

 I can't see anything out of order on my ymail.com account profile.
 (I've changed nothing.) 

 There are no filters and no blocking set. I really don't know what to
 do at this point. Who should I contact and what else should I check?
 
 Log into your membership options at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/
 mailman/options/users and check the Mail delivery option.
 
 FWIW for me this is a major annoyance, as it happens every few months. 
 Requests to the list administrator for details (so that whatever the 
 problem is might be corrected) have gone unanswered.
 

That sounds like your mail provider is having deliverability issues, I
would contact them about it.

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Re: Creating a server with Fedora 18

[Joe Wulf]

Les,

This is really a wonderful thing you are doing for your friend!  KUDO's to you, 
Sir!!!

A variation on the recommendation from Reindl Harald, is maybe set up a primary 
computer for your friend to use, being Fedora, for its useability with a second 
system running CentOS (which is up to v6.4 these days---very current) to handle 
the server-side of things.  Assuming he has a large enough screen, then the 
functionality of Fedora might do the trick as his interface between both hosts 
(desktop and server).  Another recommendation that would give him a bit more 
stability in this case, is to ensure all the updates for Fedora are occurring 
until its end-of-life, then simply turn off the yum updates.  The downside 
would be no new features, nor updates/patches.  In his case that might be 
worthwhile!

Wishing you both the best as you go down this road!

R,
-Joe






 From: les hlhow...@pacbell.net
To: users users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 1:55 PM
Subject: Creating a server with Fedora 18
 
I have a friend who is vision impaired.  He recently got enough of his
sight back to begin working on his systems again, and is interested in
setting his servers up on Fedora 18.  His last version was 10 (long
storage in between).

Is there a site, blog or tutorial that would be easy for him to use with
a screen reader or would have it broken down as a series of steps to
help him get going (I know nothing of server setups now, so I cannot
offer much help.)

Among the things he mentioned was:
Web manager.
Reverse DNS.

Unfortunately we were driving and I couldn't take coherent notes.

Regards,
Les Howell

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Re: Icon Size.....

[Joe Wulf]

Seems Gnome has made such things far more difficult.  I don't have F18 
installed yet, haven't had time.
But I did a yahoo search for Fedora 18 change icon size and found this:

http://abhizweblog.blogspot.com/2011/06/gnome3-change-icon-size.html


Hope that helps you.

R,
-Joe Wulf




 From: Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. eoconno...@gmail.com
To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: Icon Size.
 
On 02/06/2013 08:21 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
 On 02/06/2013 04:49 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
 he was astonished at the size of the icons...and wondered if they could
 be reduced in sizeafter all my attempts, I couldn't do it...but
 thanks for responding!
 
 In Xfce, under Desktop Settings, there's a tab for Icons where you can 
 adjust their size up or down in one point increments.  I don't know where to 
 look under Gnome, but if there's a control panel that looks similar, check 
 it out.  If not, check wherever it is you set your wallpaper and so on.
Thanks Joe! But I've already checked those places.they were the first 
places I checked.I wonder if there's some sort of add on that can be 
installed for Gnome that would allow this?.


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Re: laptops with 1200 vertical resolution

[Joe Wulf]

I second that motion of having a computer function as a computer.  I had the 
opportunity when buying my latest laptop to go with something older and less 
capable, but having a decent screen resolution of 1920x1200 or a newer, more 
capable model with LESS resolution.  Unfortunately, the FAD a television-like 
computer was far more important to the bean-counters than the stability of 
decent resolution.  Not that I'm bitter, either!  In the end I went with the 
higher-end newer model laptop.  My Dell Alienware M18x is an excellent machine 
with the only real flaw was the loss of meaningfully invaluable screen 
real-estate.  Sadly, it was done by Dell in the name of fashion and silly 
(in)conveinence, vice common-sense.





 From: Fulko Hew fulko@gmail.com
To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: laptops with 1200 vertical resolution
 




On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Ian Pilcher arequip...@gmail.com wrote:

On 01/03/2013 10:58 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
 I guess the story is that there is no high-vertical resolution
 available yet. Confirms what I have also found.

Apple is printing money selling high-end laptops with 16:10 screens.
Meanwhile, Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc. would kill their firstborn children
for an additional 1/2% of margin.

IMO the story is that most laptop manufacturers are run by bean counters
who can't look past the extra $5 per unit that a 16:10 screen would cost
to the extra $100 they could charge for it.

(Not that I'm bitter or anything.)


I always content that:

I want my computer to be optimized to be a computer,
NOT optimized to be a TV.
 
If I want a TV... I'll buy a TV.  I want a computer!

It's sad that its very hard today, to find a computer that is
as capable... as high a resolution... as something that _was_
readily available and cheaply,  five (or more!) years ago.



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Re: Private Re: dynamic ip ok for NFS/LDAP servers? Network Gurus?

[Joe Wulf]

Thank you, very much.
I appreciate the sharing!

Have a FANTASTIC weekend.
R,
-Joe Wulf





 From: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net
To: Mailing-List fedora-users users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: Private Re: dynamic ip ok for NFS/LDAP servers? Network Gurus?
 

Am 30.11.2012 19:23, schrieb Joe Wulf:
 Reindl,
 
 I was instantly thrilled to see you had a process (script?) for
 auto-generating dhcpd.conf in concert with a DNS database.
 Is it possible for you to share the scripts and/or documentation for how 
 you generate, implement and/or manage your
 dns and dhcp configurations?
 
 I've been working a project that would greatly benefit from not having 
 to reinvent the wheel

the dhcp-wheel is simple, see below, you need a db-layer
or replace some commands to work directly with php-mysqli

write your config with base-values and a placeholder
for the generated stuff somewhere else, generate the
new config file based on the database and write it to
disk if it differs from the old one an restart the service

the dns-wheel i can not share because it is based on inernal
libraries and our own cms-system and hardly wired to work
with a lot of code for other services which a do not like
to implement more generic beause i need here admin-code
witout comprmoises by maintain all sort of network-services


cat /scripts/dhcp/dhcpd.conf.template
authoritative;
ddns-update-style none;
ddns-updates off;
default-lease-time 86400;
max-lease-time 172800;
log-facility local7;
subnet x.x.x.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
option domain-name thelounge.net;
option domain-name-servers x.x.x.6, x.x.x.106, x.x.x.15;
option routers x.x.x.1;
option smtp-server x.x.x.15;
option pop-server x.x.x.15;
option ntp-servers x.x.x.103, x.x.x.110;
option time-servers x.x.x.103, x.x.x.110;
option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
option broadcast-address x.x.x.255;
option interface-mtu 1472;
range x.x.x.x x.x.x.x;
}
[static]
___

cat /scripts/dhcp/dhcpd-entry.template
host [entry_name] {
hardware ethernet [entry_mac];
fixed-address [entry_value];
}
___

cat /scripts/dhcp/generate.php
#!/usr/bin/php
?php
require('global.inc.php');
$db            = new mysql_class();
$db-host      = '';
$db-user      = 'dns';
$db-pwd       = '';
$db-db        = ''';';
$db-connect();
$conf_file_live = '/etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf';
$template_file  = file_get_contents(dirname(__FILE__) . 
'/dhcpd.conf.template');
$template_entry = file_get_contents(dirname(__FILE__) . 
'/dhcpd-entry.template');
$static = '';
$result = $db-query_fetch_all(select entry_name, entry_value, entry_mac from 
dns_intern_entrys where
entry_type='A' and entry_zone_cleartext='thelounge.net' and entry_mac!='' 
order by entry_name;);
foreach($result as $row)
{
  $static .= MY_LE . str_replace
  (
   array('[entry_name]', '[entry_value]', '[entry_mac]'),
   array($row['entry_name'], $row['entry_value'], 
strtoupper($row['entry_mac'])),
   $template_entry
  );
}
$conf = trim(str_replace('[static]', $static, $template_file)) . MY_LE;
if(@file_get_contents($conf_file_live) != $conf)
{
  file_put_contents($conf_file_live, $conf);
  chmod($conf_file_live, 0644);
  $out = '';
  $temp = popen('/sbin/service dhcpd condrestart', 'r');
  while($buffer = fread($temp, 1024))
  {
   $out .= $buffer;
  }
  pclose($temp);
  echo $out . MY_LE . MY_LE . MY_LE;
  echo $conf;
}
?


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Re: Have I got an AT hangover?

[Joe Wulf]

Joe,

Quick one-page snapshots of top can be gotten with:
# top  -b  -n  1

R,
-Joe






 From: Joe Feely joe.fe...@googlemail.com
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:03 AM
Subject: Have I got an AT hangover?
 
Hi,

Videos (e.g. 350MB avi file of 40 minutes playback) don't play properly,
goes out of sync, momentary stops (they play ok on laptop, so not
corrupted).

snip

I have looked at some top output, but don't notice anything relevant (if
anyone wants to see any of such, let me know what to do to get useful
output).
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Re: Suggestion for F19

[Joe Wulf]

Joe,

I like the sensibility you are suggesting bringing Fedora (names) back to.

R,
-Joe




 From: Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us
To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: Suggestion for F19
 
On 10/17/2012 11:50 AM, Fedora User wrote:
 On Tue, 2012-10-16 at 14:11 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
 I've just joined the Fedora Project and, after a fair amount of fumbling
 around, managed to add Bernhardt as a suggestion to the bottom of the
 
 As the neighborhood cynic let me say that I usually forget the name of
 the distro after a week or so. I'm still trying to get past Froyo,
 Gingerbread and Ice Cream Sandwich as something that grownups use.
 

Me too, for the most part.  And, you'll note, very few people ever used the 
version names before F17.  I like the fact that F18 will be Spherical Cow, 
because it's something of a reducto ad absurdum.  The reason I'm suggesting 
Bernhardt for F19 is as a tribute to the origin of the Fedora hat.  (BTW, if 
we can get it accepted, we could then suggest Trilby for F20, because it's a 
variation on the Fedora that was introduced in a play of that name.  No, I'm 
not an expert on hats; I just have too much time on my hands that gets spent 
wandering around Wikipedia.)
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Re: Firefox tabs position -

[Joe Wulf]

I care.  What you are finding is the reason why I tend to wait 'a' release, 
sometimes two before committing to it.
I am with you--NOT on top!





 From: Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA bobgood...@wildblue.net
To: Fedora List users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 11:24 AM
Subject: Firefox tabs position -
 


   I have two F-17/64/XFCE computers with Firefox 15.0 installed.

   On one View  Toolbars  Tabs on Top allows me to put the tabs where
   I want them, not on top! On this computer that selection is missing.

   Perhaps the result of a day's difference in updates, if so I wont
   update Firefox on the other one since I prefer to control that.

   Anyone have an explanation, am I the only one to even care?

   Bob

   --    http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD

   box9

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Re: Just A Question....

[Joe Wulf]

One windoze set of tools that work remarkably well I've personally used 
them numerous times for myself and others to recover files... is from a site 
runtime.org.  Their stuff just works.  Granted it is for windoze OS.

Best of luck to you!




 From: Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. eoconno...@gmail.com
To: Users@Lists.FedoraProject.org 
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:01 PM
Subject: Just A Question
 
I'm trying to open some files that have been mysteriously locked by a WD 
Hard Drive. It was created and formatted by Windows, but I'm trying to use 
Fedora to open them, can anyone give me some pointers on this? I've tried the 
partitioning this drive and nothing on this system works for it. I need help 
badly because the files on this drive are crucialHELP!


Gateway T6321 Laptop
Intel Pentium Dual CPU T-2390
Fedora 17
Kernel 3.5.2



Thanks In Advance!!


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Re: criminal use of linux

[Joe Wulf]

Correct... Micro$loth has never passed up an opportunity to bully.





 From: Digimer li...@alteeve.ca
To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: criminal use of linux
 snip
Legal fights with companies sitting on the kind of cash MS has is a 
nearly impossible battle to win, unless you can match them. So this has 
nothing to do with facts and more to do with bullying.

Digimer
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Re: SOLVED: sda2 is corrupted

[Joe Wulf]

Good for you.  Glad you achieved some lessons learned and success in getting 
some data back!
Now you can have a great weekend!





 From: Jim binary...@comcast.net
To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: SOLVED: sda2 is corrupted
 

On 07/06/2012 03:01 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Jim binary...@comcast.net wrote:

Will guys I want to thank all of you that help me on this project.

This computer crashed four days after I gave it to my friend
,he said he just exited from playing his Games to logging
onto the internet with Firefox. and something popped up
about robo.. and he could not restart computer.
It would come up to rescue grub at bootup, I checked the
partitions with gparted it changed the  / an /home
partitions to UNKNOWN.  It crashed two partitions

I finally got the img of sda2 on to external hard drive
26gb.

Then I did a e2fsck /dev/sda2 it took e2fsck about 45 mins
to fix the sda2 partition , One of Two users /home
directories was totally gone , the one tjhat was being used
at CRASH time.  But the one that was not being used and had
the important data to be saved was still intact.

I have never seen a Linux computer crashed this bad.


THANK GOD FOR THE GUYS THAT DEVELOPE  E2FSCK. 
 

 
You ought to back everything up on an external drive for this person.


I'am going to put it on my backup hard drive and take it over to my friends 
house and put it onto his brand new 500gb backup hard drive and let him pull 
off the files he needs.


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Re: sda2 is corrupted

[Joe Wulf]

One tool that I find helpful is 'cfg2html', which documents a whole bunch of 
stuff, including partition configuration and a few details that contribute to 
partition recovery.  Doesn't help after the fact, but take it as food for 
thought to assist with future problems.





 From: Jim binary...@comcast.net
To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: sda2 is corrupted
 
On 07/05/2012 01:23 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote:
 On 05.07.2012 19:15, Jim wrote:
 Fedora 17

 the sda2 /home is corruoted and it changed /home partitiion to UNKNOWN
 and it won't let me change the label back to /home

 I have tried to use fedora and Gparted with no luck.

 There are some important data files  I must save off of sda2


 1. What is the type of that file system?
ext4
 2. Can you paste error messages related to this partition?
No , Gparted can not mount it either
 3. What happens after system reboot? Does it mount or not?
No , only  / is mounted


 Mateusz Marzantowicz


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Re: sda2 is corrupted

[Joe Wulf]

Another option for you, is to check out 'runtime.org'.  Disclaimer... I do own 
some of their products and have had great success with them.
They have a Disk Explorer for Linux v4.26.. don't know for certain if it will 
examine the drive you are having problems with, but it is worth a shot.  They 
have a free download and it is $69.00 to purchase it.
They also have a free Live CD that is bootable and has their products embeded 
for use.





 From: Jim binary...@comcast.net
To: mcall...@allmanpc.com; Community support for Fedora users 
users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: sda2 is corrupted
 
On 07/05/2012 02:13 PM, Mark C. Allman wrote:
 On Thu, 2012-07-05 at 13:47 -0400, Jim wrote:
 On 07/05/2012 01:23 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote:
 On 05.07.2012 19:15, Jim wrote:
 Fedora 17

 the sda2 /home is corruoted and it changed /home partitiion to UNKNOWN
 and it won't let me change the label back to /home

 I have tried to use fedora and Gparted with no luck.

 There are some important data files  I must save off of sda2


 1. What is the type of that file system?
 ext4
 2. Can you paste error messages related to this partition?
 No , Gparted can not mount it either
 3. What happens after system reboot? Does it mount or not?
 No , only  / is mounted

 Mateusz Marzantowicz

 So when the system reboots you see a /dev/sda2 device, correct?

 When you type mount /dev/sda2 /somewhere (where somewhere is some
 existing, handy mount point) you get an error message saying that the
 file system isn't recognized or can't be determined?

 If you type mount -t ext4 /dev/sda2 /somewhere you get an error
 message, e.g., not an ext4 filesystem?

 What I would try next is running e2fsck -n /dev/sda2 and see what that
 says.  The -n to insure nothing is written to the disk (just in case).
 Try it and post the results to the list here.  The partition superblock
 may be corrupted and I have no idea what e2fsck will try to do if that's
 the case.  It may just give up without looking at the backup superblock.

  # e2fsck -n /dev/sda2
e2fsck 1.42 (29-Nov-2011)
e2fsck: Superblock invalid, trying backup blocks...
Superblock has an invalid journal (inode 8).
Clear? no

e2fsck: Illegal inode number while checking ext3 journal for /home

/home: ** WARNING: Filesystem still has errors **


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Re: Redshift saved my eyes

[Joe Wulf]

Would be nice if you'd elaborated.  Who is responsible for it, where does it 
come from, what does it do specifically, etc...





 From: Christopher Svanefalk christopher.svanef...@gmail.com
To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 5:16 PM
Subject: Redshift saved my eyes
 

If you, like me, spend long hours at night in front of the screen, please do 
yourself a favor and install the Redshift package immediately.

You will not regret it.


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Re: Which to trust: chkrootkit or rkhunter?

[Joe Wulf]

Use a bootable disc with either or both tools on it, boot the machine(s) in 
question with that media and then run the tests.  Fedora 17, which just came 
out, has a bootable security spin you could/should try, too.





 From: Beartooth bearto...@comcast.net
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 11:16 AM
Subject: Which to trust: chkrootkit or rkhunter?
 

    One tells me, on several machines, that /sbin/init is infected 
with the Suckit rootkit; the other says not. Is there a way to tell 
whether I'm seeing a false positive or a false negative? 

    Fwiw, this result occurs both on an F16 machine, and on an f17 
one with a fresh install. (Both are fully updated.)

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Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

[Joe Wulf]

I find it gauling that I could buy standard hardware, either directly from an 
OEM or resale, and Micro$loth (a software vendor, NOT a hardware vendor) has to 
be paid blood money, so that free and open source software can be 'approved' 
for installation.

This is wholly inappropriate regardless of whether I have to pay Micro$loth, 
or FOSS developers do.





 From: Javier Perez pepeb...@gmail.com
To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:15 PM
Subject: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions
 

I hope Slashdot has it wrong, although the presented documents seem to agree

http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/05/31/190217/red-hat-will-pay-microsoft-to-get-past-uefi-restrictions

Looking up the article: Implementing UEFI Secure Boot in Fedora at  
http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html


The last option wasn't hugely attractive, but is probably the least 
worst. Microsoft will be offering signing services through their sysdev portal. 
It's not entirely free (there's a one-off $99 fee to gain access), but 
it's cheaper than any realistic alternative would have been. It ensures 
compatibility with as wide a range of hardware as possible and it avoids Fedora 
having any special privileges over other Linux distributions. If there are 
better options then we haven't found them. So, in all 
probability, this is the approach we'll take. Our first stage bootloader will 
be signed with a Microsoft key.



If I have to pay $99 to Microsoft in order to install my Free/Open Operating 
System, then I am making Microsoft $99 richer off the effort of multiple 
volunteers that made Linux and Fedora possible and my Free Operating System 
now effectively costs $99. And if this catches up, then breaking the Secure 
Boot will eventually be a DMCA violation and we'd have to be asking the 
Copyright office every three years for the right to jailbreak/root our own 
computers again. 

I'd rather go back to the times of Compatibility lists of motherboards than 
enable the above state of affairs. I say NO to Danegeld for Microsoft.
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Downloading spins (NOT via torrent)

[Joe Wulf]

Is there a normal place (http/ftp) for downloading the spins?  I've been 
looking around the fedora download page and the only option being pushed is 
torrents, which are strictly prohibited at where I work.

Thank you.
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Re: Can you stack nice and ionice?

[Joe Wulf]

Cameron,  Very nice explanation of how do'able this is.  Thank you.
R,
-Joe



 From: Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au
To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: Can you stack nice and ionice?
 
On 03May2012 16:08, Richard Shaw hobbes1...@gmail.com wrote:
| I have a CPU and IO intensive task I'd like to tame a bit but I'm not
| sure if this can be done in a one-liner. Since both nice and ionice
| are designed to run only a single command I'm not sure if the
| following would work:
| 
| ionice -c3 nice -n19 process
| 
| It looks like to me that ionice is going to run nice who's going to
| run the task.

Should work just fine. ionice _is_ running just one command:

  nice -n19 process

Note that process will need to be a command, and not something like
-p pid.

| I tried examining the first example using pstree but I don't think the
| processes stacked.

They will exec, so no parent/child stuff. ionice will set the ionice
setting then exec the next command. Likewise nice.

There are plenty of little commands with this behaviour: make a setting
change and then execute comething with the new setting: env etc. I've
got a bunch of shell scripts with similar usage patterns as well. These
prefix commands make a lot of simple things very easy to express in
scripts.

Cheers,
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Re: Problem with su -

[Joe Wulf]

One other thing to check is your NFS mts.  I've seen occasions where one would 
ssh to another box, or su to another user, and when applicable NFS mounts of 
home directories were missing and unable to be mounted for some reason, then 
the bland prompt was what bash resorted to, so as to give you 'something' for a 
prompt.  It does seem strange that this occurs when you su to root.  Possibly 
some script for you, and/or root is working to unmount your home directory 
during the transistion to root?  what does 'alias su', 'which su', 'ls -l 
/bin/su', 'file /bin/su' and 'md5sum /bin/su' show?  If your system hasn't been 
compromised, you should see the same results on your problem system (box6?) as 
you do on others that aren't giving you fits.  What about 'mount' and 'df -h'?  
Are those reasonable, too?  Are NFS exports (of home directories, if you are 
doing such) still being exported?  What about the mount on the malpheasant 
client?


Just food for thought and a shot in the dark.

R,
-Joe





 From: Bob Goodwin bobgood...@wildblue.net
To: Fedora List users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 9:39 AM
Subject: Problem with su -
 
       I have an F-16 computer that was working normally a couple of
       days ago when run this morning has an unusual [to me] problem.

       When I su and type in the root password form the XCFE desktop it
       spends about 20 seconds before displaying a prompt and then
       instead of:

           [bobg@box6 ~]$ su
           Password:
           [root@box6 bobg]# exit


       I get a prompt:  bash-4.2#

       If instead of bringing up the desktop with startx I su it
       changes to root quickly after entering the password, also with
       the  prompt bash-4.2#.

       Other than that it apparently works? But obviously something has
       changed and I can't guess what?

       Bob




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Re: Gnome3 RFE discussion !?

[Joe Wulf]

I'd also suggest having the ability to manage/initiate much of what you are 
talking about from the command-line.
Additionally, the ability to have a script initiate 
windows/sessions/programs/applications on a named workspace, would be 
invaluable.

-Joe



 From: William Case billli...@rogers.com
To: Fedora List users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:06 AM
Subject: Gnome3 RFE discussion !?
 
Hi;

I am looking for suggestions of where I can get this conversation going
with some people who would like to participate in such a conversation. 
I have tried the Gnome users list but no takers.  My interest is in
exploring the ideas expressed here before taking them forward as a
request for enhancement.

I want to go forward not back.  I would like to see Gnome get rid of all
panels, task bars, and extraneous doodads in my work spaces.  I want
instead to use dockers, multiple dockers that I can call up by short cut
key, mouse motion or from the activities space.

I would like the dockers to have all the properties of a file, an icon,
a launcher and a panel or several different panels.  

I want to be able to create a new different docker on the Activities
window, place launchers and files in the docker and name it.  That way I
can have a main application running in a work space but also a docker
that contains subsidiary programs that I use often while working in that
application.

I can then design or load dockers that would have applications or what
used to be applets that are apropos to the type of work I was doing
and/or the main application I was using.  I would have several different
kinds of dockers these created by me to pick and choose from.

I would like the dockers to be made visible on my desktop/workspace the
same way I can make a main program visible.  I.E. drag and drop it in a
workspace in the activities window.

I would like the docker to appear on my workspace as a small icon that
could be opened like a file to see all of the subsidiary applications or
functions I have available to me.  I would like the docker not to be
restricted to a bar shape, but be able to re-size and re-shape it much
the same way as a application window by grabbing the edges or bottom
right corner.

There are many other considerations that could go into this design, but
essentially I would like to get rid of the desktop metaphor and instead
make my workspaces project and work oriented.  

I do more than one kind of thing on my computer.  I want to be able to
easily write an article in LibreOffice using all my tools such as
dictionary, thesaurus and character map for writing.  Then, say, switch
to something completely unrelated like working with music or photographs
in another workspace and have a docker for each of those that contained
music subsidiary applications, or browsing the internet.  I would like
to have a docker where I kept all my system tools.  The menu would serve
me as the place to find the items I wanted to put in my various dockers
or to store programs seldom used.

Is anybody interested in this kind of concept and/or discussion?

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Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution

[Joe Wulf]

Marko---really liked the pleasant and balanced reply---excellent!
LinuxTyro---glad to see you replying to all the posts, keeping engaged, and 
having an open mind.


From: Linux Tyro fedora@gmail.com

To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 3:56 AM
Subject: Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution


On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 4:22 AM, Marko Vojinovic vvma...@gmail.com wrote:


(1) WELCOME to the Linux community!


Thanks.
 

(2) Don't hesitate to ask for help. This mailing list is a great resource of
information and is followed by people who are seasoned linux users, as well as
freshmen. That said, don't get offended by some nervous people telling you to
do your homework, point you to lmgtfy.com, and such. We have all been
beginners once, and those who cannot tolerate beginner's questions should not
be taken too seriously. ;-)


Yes, that really is good thing, beginners like me sometimes could ask some 
silly questions (it may be due to not use of Linux ever) but always happy to 
get the answer.
 

(3) It's actually a good idea to do your own research before asking a question
here. Look up the topic in google, search the mailing list archives, read a
man page (those are the instruction manuals for a whole bunch of stuff in
Linux), etc. Expect a learning curve, regardless of the distro you choose.
Some things that are trivial in Windows (like, play mp3 music) are quite
nontrivial in Fedora (only the first time you try it, of course), and vice
versa. The difference between Windows and Linux is not just the security, 
names
and price. Migrating to Linux means that you need to change your way of
*thinking* about how a computer can or should be used.

For example, the idea of graphical user interface (a GUI) in Linux is just a
commodity that is sometimes frowned upon. In contrast to Windows, where GUI is
the *only* user interface available, in Linux mostly everything can be done on
the command line (the CLI, or shell prompt, or console, or...). Learning to
use it is one of the best ways to learn Linux. In Windows the MS-DOS Prompt
is basically a thing of ancient history, and has no serious function in the
system. This is just one of the *conceptual* differences you are about to
encounter. Filesystem permissions and don't log in as root is another. If
you have used only Windows so far, your complete knowledge about computers is
about to be challenged, and you should expect that and embrace it.


I agree with you. I came to know that how Windows used to ties the 
hands, even without using Linux. However, I am not from technical field 
of softwares, and also was not Windows admin or something like that, but
 still with a great surety claim that Linux is Linux, Windows is nothing
 in front of it - in any aspect you can compare.  

 
Finally, the choice of actual distro to start learning is quite immaterial.
Any will do. What you should plan, however, is the strategy to stick to some
distro for a while (say, 6 months), and then switch to another, in order to
compare and learn what is the same and what is distro-specific. It doesn't
really matter where you start from... ;-)


Yes, perhaps any distro would give me the basics of Linux. 

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Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution

[Joe Wulf]

You ask good questions.  More than likely whichever flavor you try---you'll 
learn things.  Several points:
-  Pick one and stick with it for a while.  Also, to learn more---you'll find a 
wealthy abundance of resources online to read up on.
-  Assuming your main platform is Windows... consider something like 
VirtualBox.org in order to leverage virtualization (free even!) and build 
your unix/linux skills.
-  Evaluate unix/linux forums (such as nixcraft.com) where you can read, and 
ask questions.  There are many other good ones, too.

Best of luck to you in your new adventure!!!





From: Linux Tyro fedora@gmail.com
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 8:37 AM
Subject: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution


hi, 


i am new in this world of linux. getting confused seeing a lot of linux 
distro. I just want to use linux distro to learn linux from the scratch level. 
please suggest me if fedora is the best place to start with. other details are 
as follows:


confused between: fedora, openSUSE and ubuntu LTS 


purpose of using linux: to learn from the scratch level


why linux: highly secured and better than windows


hardware: 250 gb hard disk, 2 gb ram, one samsung printer, speakers


when i use system: from a different job, whenever i get time, i do use the 
system but in this less time, eager to learn linux


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Re: Not a good month for computer pioneers

[Joe Wulf]

Yea, I still have my first edition Turbo Pascal book (though not the 5 1/4 
floppy, unfortunately).  Still in good condition, too.





From: Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com
To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: Not a good month for computer pioneers

snip

PS: Anyone knows what is former Borland founder Philippe Kahn up to lately? I 
miss Borland products... from the time they kicked the s... out of the 
competition (Quattro Pro, and the Paradox database).
snip
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Re: Compliment to the devs

[Joe Wulf]

I'm clearly NOT one of the developers... simply a user and proponent.

I think it is very cool that someone who hasn't been (too) contaminated with 
computers in the last 20'ish years has been exposed to both late-model OS's.  
Would be extremely interesting to further test this on other similar 
subjects---seeking to discern what an innocent person's perspective is as they 
approach both OS's for usefulness.

Thank you for your wonderful note into the forum!  Wish you both all the very 
best!

R,
-Joe





From: Roelof 'Ben' Kusters w...@bentrein.com
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:14 PM
Subject: Compliment to the devs

Well done devs!

I have a friend, whose Thai wife has never really used computers. She's  
learning it now. He had me dualboot his computer with Windoze and F15;  
many people do. We are both used that most people don't give F15 - or  
Linux - a moment's thought, as they don't know how to use it. However,  
this woman - who knows neither Windoze nor Linux - now prefers to boot  
F15. My friend asked her why: Because it's easier!

Well done devs; stick it in your cap!

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Re: Best FOSS alternative for skype?

[Joe Wulf]

Seconding the move in this direction.
Anything is better then a Micro$loth tainted product.



- Original Message -
 From: Richard Shaw hobbes1...@gmail.com
 To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Cc: 
 Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 5:08 PM
 Subject: Re: Best FOSS alternative for skype?
 
 Well, reviving this old thread since I actually got a build of JItsi
 that appears to work just in case anyone's interested. It still needs
 a lot of work to remove some 3rd party files before it could possible
 be included in Fedora though.
 
 http://hobbes1069.fedorapeople.org/jitsi/
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Re: I've got an interesting problem (at least to me).....

[Joe Wulf]

Interesting thread.  :)

I would like to know a bit more about your process for booting knoppix (which 
version/edition, too) and rsync'ing between the two  partitions.  Thanks.





From: Kevin Martin kevi...@ameritech.net
To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: I've got an interesting problem (at least to me).



On 09/29/2011 10:27 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
 On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:57:17 -0500
 Kevin Martin wrote:

 Oh, didn't occur to me that that information would be dd'd!  Crud!  
   Guess I'm off to do some partition copies!
 No need for anything that drastic. You could just do something like
 use e2label to give the partitions symbolic labels (different
 on each disk) and change fstab to use LABEL= instead of UUID=.
 I think there is even a tool that lets you change the UUID,
 but I don't remember the name or how to use it :-).
Yea, and I'll end up doing that, but the problem is that I've done some yum 
installs and yum updates and, of course, reading mail,
browsing the internet, etc., and there are now new files here and there on 
cross partitions that need to be good to go on, at least,
one of the two disks.  Then I can do the UUID changes and make sure that I 
boot from the disk where all of the partitions are
current.  I'm thinking I *may* be able to rsync partitions, copying newer 
files back and forth (probably after booting into
Knoppix).  That should do it.  I'll have to think about it some more and 
decide on how to do this.

Thanks.

Kevin
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Re: Howto avoid a process beeing paged out?

[Joe Wulf]

Bite bullet, add more physical memory.
For a time-critical process that seems like it is business critical, then 
do the right business decision.  Purchase more memory to get the job done.

R,
-Joe Wulf





From: Clemens Eisserer linuxhi...@gmail.com
To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. 
fedora-l...@redhat.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 4:19 AM
Subject: Howto avoid a process beeing paged out?


Hi,

I run a time-critical application on a vServer which seems to have very little 
memory (even 512mb are guaranteed).
Every page that hasn't been accessed the last few minutes is immediatly 
swapped out, and if a request comes in the system is busy many seconds loading 
the working-set of the application into memory again.

Is there any way to prevent applications from beeing swapped out?
I tried to call mlock(), but after this call dynamically loading shared 
libraries failed :/

Thanks, Clemens

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Re: Fedora tools for technical analysis of stocks

[Joe Wulf]

Ditto that---I'm also interested in mutual funds.

R,
-Joe




- Original Message 
 From: Paul Smith phh...@gmail.com
 To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Sent: Tue, July 5, 2011 7:27:41 AM
 Subject: Fedora tools for technical analysis of stocks
 
 Dear All,
 
 Is there some tool that works on Fedora to do technical  analysis of
 stocks in stock markets?
 
 Thanks in  advance,
 
 Paul
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Re: OT - Trusted Boot project in F16

[Joe Wulf]

Awesome post, JB.  Way cool.

Um another question come to mind, like, will such an OS still boot/work on 
Intel 
(and AMD?) CPUs, say older ones, that don't have the TPM?

R,
-Joe Wulf



- Original Message 
 From: JB jb.1234a...@gmail.com
 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Sent: Thu, June 23, 2011 8:16:35 AM
 Subject: OT - Trusted Boot project in F16
 
 Hi,
 
 Heads-up for those who are/should be  interested.
 
 http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-June/100976.html
 
 JB
 
 
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Re: security in firefox4

[Joe Wulf]

Awesome solution.  Thank you for helping to improve the world!




- Original Message 
 From: Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au
 To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Sent: Thu, May 19, 2011 10:05:27 AM
 Subject: Re: security in firefox4
 
 On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 14:38 +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
  The internet works  better in my experience when
  www.google-analytics.com
  (and ssl.google-analytics.com) get blocked  at firewall level or stuck
  in /etc/hosts as 127.0.0.1
 
 I do  something similar with my DNS server.  I have a dead zone file,
 which  produces instant fails to any queries to any domain names I
 associate it  with.  It gives me neat, central, management of all
 computers on the  LAN.  My named.conf file also has these other
 google-related  domains:
 
 zone googlesyndication.com{  type master; file  dead.zone; };
 zone googleservices.com   {  type master; file  dead.zone; };
 zone googleadservices.com {  type master; file  dead.zone; };
 zone google-analytics.com {  type master; file  dead.zone; };
 
 And this is the dead.zone  file:
 
 $TTL 86400
 @   IN   SOA ns.localdomain.  hostmaster.mail.localdomain. (
  200  ; serial
  28800 ; refresh
  7200 ; retry
  604800 ;  expire 
  86400 ; ttl
  )
 
 
  IN  NS   ns.localdomain.
 
 Essentially, it's a wildcard no answer for the domain,  and any
 subdomain.
 
 -- 
 [tim@localhost ~]$ uname  -r
 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686
 
 Don't send private replies to my  address, the mailbox is ignored.  I
 read messages from the public  lists.
 
 
 
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[off-list]

[Joe Wulf]

g

:)

I couldn't help but notice, now, your signature lines.  I'm delighted!
A coworker has the following I thought I'd share with you.

The installation instructions stated to install Windows 2000 or better.  I 
installed Linux.

R,
-Joe



 in a free world without  fences, who needs gates.
 **
 help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux  to a friend today.
 **
 to mess up a linux box, you need to work at  it.
 to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at  it.
 **
 learn linux:
 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition'  http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html
 'The Linux Documentation Project'  http://www.tldp.org/
 'LDP HOWTO-index'  http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html
 'HowtoForge'  http://howtoforge.com/
 
 
 
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Re: Desktop effects issue...

[Joe Wulf]

Did you change ownership for the directories/files in the new target area?



- Original Message 
 From: Steven P. Ulrick lists-fed...@afolkey2.net
 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 12:45:57 PM
 Subject: Desktop effects issue...
 
 Hello Everyone,
 How come I can create an entirely fresh user account, log  into KDE and 
 enable 

 Desktop effects, but when I move my main user account's  ~/.kde directory to 
 a 

 different name and attempt to log in, I cannot enable  Desktop effects?  Are 
there 

 some relevant settings that are contained  somwhere else other than ~/.kde?
 
 This is on Fedora 14, NVidia driver  from RPM Fusion and KDE 4.6.2 from the 
 KDE 

 updates-testing repo.
 
 I  know this is not much information, but I will provide whatever you ask me  
for.
 
 Steven P. Ulrick
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Re: recovering from the unthinkable

[Joe Wulf]

I believe tunefs has some ability to work this, though I've never personally 
attempted recovery with it.
Another excellent set of tools comes from runtime.org.  They have excellent 
tools for recovery both on Windoze and Linux, too.

Good luck!!

R,
-Joe




- Original Message 
 From: Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com
 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 10:28:53 AM
 Subject: recovering from the unthinkable
 
 The excuse: Trying to get all my precious files from the usb drive
 after  10:00 PM.
 
 So, is anyone willing me to remind me of the name of the  program that
 goes searching through a drive that has been the victim of the  old rm
 -f and re-constructs the file system? I'm pretty sure I've used  it
 before, when I lost an lvm volume once.
 
 Can't remember what it was  called, and searching via google for disk
 recovery tools now returns a  whole lot of links I sure wouldn't want
 to trust.
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