Re: F28 - Today's updates messed up writing to USB
On Fri, 2018-06-01 at 11:30 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > You did online updates? This is the reason why offline updates is the > default now, because doing updates without a reboot can cause weird > situations like this. Ok, you maniacs finally did it, you made a Linux suck as hard as Windows. I'm out. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/EOWXROI5ND7IGXL6LDMTUUE53VDJI6H4/
Re: [OT] HP EX920
On Fri, 2018-05-25 at 15:40 -0700, Mike Wright wrote: > newegg has a good price on the 512G HP EX920 M.2 ($180US) NVMe SSD > drives this weekend. > > I can find no references to this part and Linux. Everything refers to > Windows (and the problems they're having with it). > > This is supposed to be the latest, greatest, fastest, blabla, etc. > > Anybody familiar with this re: Linux? Assuming it doesn't have any glitches unique to it, Fedora has no problem with an NVMe drive. So long as your BIOS / UEFI firmware supports booting from it you should be good. If you use multiple distros you may find support isn't universal yet. I know PCLinuxOS has problems, they warned about it but I got it to install onto one with some manual fussing. Don't really do a lot of Windows but yea, keep hearing about it being a challenge there unless it is a vendor preload. The PCLinuxOS was on a laptop with a preload of Win10 and it still dual booted ok after the mucking around with UEFI. NVMe is a big break from the old IDE drive world, really expected more breakage. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/KBAFJSJQFFODPKXSRKPQ7HKT232OBFVC/
Re: Strange behavior with MATE desktop
On Thu, 2018-05-17 at 12:51 -0700, Paolo Galtieri wrote: > I also found an curious issue. The system > this problem is occuring on is a laptop, and I have an external monitor > attached. When I loggen into Gnome Classic the external monitor was an > extension of the laptop display, i.e. I move the mouse off the right > side of the laptop display and it shows up on the external monitor. I > changed the configuration so that the external monitor showed the same > as the laptop display. I also added an icon for gnome-terminal on the > desktop. So far so good. When I logged out of Gnome Classic and logged > back in to MATE the display configuration had changed from what it was > before, now under MATE the external monitor was no longer a clone of the > laptop display as it was previously, and there was now an icon for the > terminal app on the MATE desktop which there was not previously. Dunno about the other problems but those two behaviors are normal. ~/Desktop is a standardized location so both desktop environments will see a .desktop file dropped there. The monitor config is different though. mate-display-properties and Gnome's tool will store information in their own place and in their own way. You will have to configure it in both. And good luck getting one of them to actually save the default the login box will use because then you get into a combinational explosion where each possible display manager might use parts of any desktop environment to get that information from, but being Fedora will probably want to be configured by Gnome 3 unless you have swapped out the default login. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/B5BECNKULBGZ2ENR7WATXRTRO6HQPXTP/
Re: Not sure which FM I need to be reading: auto media mount trouble
On Sat, 2017-07-15 at 00:35 -0500, John Morris wrote: > In Fedora 24 about 2/3 of the time when I login the only item in > Computer was "File System" and inserted media (CD/USB) neither mounts or > appears. The other 1/3 of the time it worked. Not good. But the clock > is ticking on F24 now so I updated to Fedora 25 and it got worse. I get > entries for every mount point, tmp, sys, everything plus I get desktop > icons for them all too. This is on Mate if you are wondering why I have > icons on the desktop. But at least it is now consistent, it happens > every time. Ok, have dug into this some more. It isn't a problem in my account, it is a timing problem tied to my USB card reader. If I wait a minute after booting my account always works. But if I login quickly and it fails, logging out and waiting won't fit it, only a reboot will. Looks like the card reader is jamming things up for close to a minute and the timeout is 25 seconds. So two questions. 1. Where should I file the bug? UDev, GVFS or Caja? 2. The bit where it throws up every mount point seems vaguely worrying. It won't important mount points or anything but a USB insertion being able to destabilize the system this badly just screams exploitable. Any ideas where to try poking it to try breaking it? Here are the results of my digging so Google can index it for the next person to hit this. I cut it down to the important bits to avoid hitting max message size but I do have the whole /var/log/messages if somebody wants to see something I cut. And yes the reader works if I insert a card if I waited to login. /var/log/messages: -First message of boot Jul 29 12:35:42 bob kernel: Linux version 4.11.12-200.fc25.x86_64 (mockbu...@bkernel01.phx2.fedoraproject.org) (gcc version 6.3.1 20161221 (Red Hat 6.3.1-1) (GCC) ) #1 SMP Fri Jul 21 16:41:43 UTC 2017 Jul 29 12:35:42 bob kernel: Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.11.12-200.fc25.x86_64 root=UUID=dee96c74-51d4-485a-9afe-0943e068ddb2 ro net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0 iommu=soft resume=/dev/nvme0n1p5 quiet rhgb LANG=en_US.UTF-8 -skipping ahead a bit -See the USB card reader during early phase Jul 29 12:35:43 bob kernel: usb 11-3: New USB device found, idVendor=05e3, idProduct=0732 Jul 29 12:35:43 bob kernel: usb 11-3: New USB device strings: Mfr=0, Product=1, SerialNumber=2 Jul 29 12:35:43 bob kernel: usb 11-3: Product: USB Storage Jul 29 12:35:43 bob kernel: usb 11-3: SerialNumber: 0570 -snip some video Jul 29 12:35:43 bob kernel: usb-storage 11-3:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected Jul 29 12:35:43 bob kernel: scsi host6: usb-storage 11-3:1.0 Jul 29 12:35:43 bob kernel: usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage Jul 29 12:35:43 bob kernel: usbcore: registered new interface driver uas -snip more radeon startup and other stuff, pick up story at pivot root Jul 29 12:35:44 bob systemd: Reached target Initrd Root File System. Jul 29 12:35:44 bob systemd: Starting Reload Configuration from the Real Root... Jul 29 12:35:44 bob systemd: Reloading. Jul 29 12:35:44 bob kernel: clocksource: Switched to clocksource tsc Jul 29 12:35:44 bob kernel: scsi 6:0:0:0: Direct-Access Generic STORAGE DEVICE 0570 PQ: 0 ANSI: 6 Jul 29 12:35:44 bob kernel: scsi 6:0:0:1: Direct-Access Generic STORAGE DEVICE 0570 PQ: 0 ANSI: 6 Jul 29 12:35:44 bob kernel: scsi 6:0:0:2: Direct-Access Generic STORAGE DEVICE 0570 PQ: 0 ANSI: 6 Jul 29 12:35:44 bob kernel: scsi 6:0:0:3: Direct-Access Generic STORAGE DEVICE 0570 PQ: 0 ANSI: 6 Jul 29 12:35:44 bob kernel: scsi 6:0:0:4: Direct-Access Generic STORAGE DEVICE 0570 PQ: 0 ANSI: 6 Jul 29 12:35:44 bob kernel: sd 6:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 0 Jul 29 12:35:44 bob kernel: sd 6:0:0:1: Attached scsi generic sg4 type 0 Jul 29 12:35:44 bob kernel: sd 6:0:0:2: Attached scsi generic sg5 type 0 Jul 29 12:35:44 bob kernel: sd 6:0:0:3: Attached scsi generic sg6 type 0 Jul 29 12:35:44 bob kernel: sd 6:0:0:4: Attached scsi generic sg7 type 0 Jul 29 12:35:44 bob systemd: Started Reload Configuration from the Real Root. Jul 29 12:35:44 bob audit: SERVICE_START pid=1 uid=0 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=kernel msg='unit=initrd-parse-etc comm="systemd" exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd" hostname=? addr=? terminal=? res=success' Jul 29 12:35:44 bob audit: SERVICE_STOP pid=1 uid=0 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=kernel msg='unit=initrd-parse-etc comm="systemd" exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd" hostname=? addr=? terminal=? res=success' Jul 29 12:35:44 bob systemd: Reached target Initrd Default Target. Jul 29 12:35:44 bob systemd: Starting dracut pre-pivot and cleanup hook... Jul 29 12:35:44 bob kernel: sd 6:0:0:3: [sdf] Attached SCSI removable disk Jul 29 12:35:44 bob kernel: sd 6:0:0:4: [sdg] Attached SCSI removable disk Jul 29 12:35:44 bob kernel: sd 6:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk Jul 29 12:35:44 bob kernel: sd 6:0:0:1: [sdd]
Re: regionset for DVD playback and ripping
On Sun, 2017-07-23 at 20:20 -0400, Temlakos wrote: > Everyone: > > Does anyone here have experience using the program "regionset" to change > the region code on a DVD player? > > Specifically, has anyone tried to make a drive region-free (region code > 0)? And if so, with what result? > > The problem: I have a boxed set of DVD's, 12 in all, from Region 2. I > live in Region 1. A few versions of Fedora back (probably F21 or F22), I > found I could play back those Region 2 disks without a problem. But now > with F26, playback even on the "vlc" program gives me sound, but no > picture--a black screen. Dragon refuses to play them at all. The makemkv > program takes about ten minutes trying to do a workaround with the > region codes not matching. Then it seems to work, but the output files > all have sound (including all sound tracks if it has more than one), but > no picture. Sound, video and subtitles are all muxed together on a DVD so if you have sound it is breaking the CSS Access Protection just fine. Looks like you have a problem with a missing mpeg2 video codec or something of that nature. Linux DVD playback software still isn't able to use the CSS stuff in the drive the right way, it ignores the region codes entirely and libdecss simply breaks the encryption thanks to DVD Jon's efforts in cracking the crypto and giving the break to the world. (Which is why Fedora will probably never ship that particular library.) Try mplayer from a command line and see what it has to say, verbose is of course best. IF it sees the video but can't find a codec or can't get the display drivers right it will point you to what needs troubleshooting. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Not sure which FM I need to be reading: auto media mount trouble
I have managed to hose something in my account. In Fedora 24 about 2/3 of the time when I login the only item in Computer was "File System" and inserted media (CD/USB) neither mounts or appears. The other 1/3 of the time it worked. Not good. But the clock is ticking on F24 now so I updated to Fedora 25 and it got worse. I get entries for every mount point, tmp, sys, everything plus I get desktop icons for them all too. This is on Mate if you are wondering why I have icons on the desktop. But at least it is now consistent, it happens every time. Made a fresh account and logged into it and everything works normally. Tried a couple of times and it appears reliable. So whatever is wrong it is just in my account but I can't figure out what got corrupted. Google is little help, all the automagic plumbing has been rewritten so many times most hits are to pages discussing obviously wrong things. While logged out I have tried removing .gvfs, anything suspicious in ~/.config ~/.local, like gvfs-metadata, systemd/user, .ccache, .dbus, Even looked in /var/tmp for leftover cruft. So what file does control the current automagic stuff? Upside is I have finally seen accelerated 3d/video decode in a VM without a Kaboom so as usual, upgrading brings new shiny. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: CIA Outlaw Country attack against CentOS / Rhel (and Fedora?) Is this credible?
On Thu, 2017-06-29 at 20:38 -0400, William Oliver wrote: > Personally, I assume that my computers are always on the verge of being > compromised. It's one of the things I like about fedora -- I always do > a clean install when a new version comes out, and I occasionally to a > clean reinstall midway through. That basically means I wipe my machine > every three months. It won't stop people from breaking in, but it > hampers long term surveillance. That is more work than needed. Use the power of RPM. Boot a live CD and validate every package on the installed copy. That one step gets you a high degree of confidence nothing funny is going on. Mount up your install, say on /mnt. Do all the bind mounts of /dev, /proc and /sys, etc (or let rescue mode do it for you) like you were about to chroot into it, BUT DON"T. If you chroot into it you execute code from the suspect drive and possibly taint the Live CD environment. If you accidentally chroot, reboot and start over. Now do "rpm -Va --root /mnt >/tmp/exception_report.txt" Then look at anything it throws out, config files are probably ok, especially if you know you changed them but changed binaries are a big red flag. If you are still feeling paranoid, rpm -qa --list --root /mnt will produce a list of every single file that belongs to the package manager. Sort that and subtract from a list of every file (exclude your home dir of course) and investigate those. Unless you change very little from the base install, validating is probably faster than a full reinstall and reconfig. As long as you generate all the lists of files from the live cd you can stuff them into your $HOME and then do the rest of the work while booted back into your normal install. Unless you suspect somebody serious might be after you it is probably safe enough to skip the live CD and just run "rpm -Va" and look for oddities. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?
On Wed, 2017-06-28 at 22:18 +0930, Tim wrote: > My understanding was that only an Original Equipment Manufacturer can > sell/supply those OEM versions of the OS, and only to go with a > particular PC (one of those "not to be sold separately" conditions). > With only a retail package being something that could be sold as > standalone. That is the official line. But NewEgg will openly sell it so I doubt Microsoft doesn't know and at least quietly approve of the practice. After all, they sell motherboards, cases, etc. People building up their own computer ain't going to pay full boxed set retail price for Windows and NewEgg would like to be the one who sells them their copy of Windows. Everybody knows these facts so Microsoft doesn't say anything. They don't even force them to only sell a copy on the same ticket with a motherboard. Microsoft knows their model is busted. That is why they are still letting everyone with Win7/8 to upgrade to Win10 for free. That is why they basically gave away Windows for free on netbooks until they could quietly kill the whole product category. The fake copy I bought forced phone activation but that was just some friction in the gears to discourage it, they still want to get the activation. They know their only hope is moving Windows to an Android model where they give away the OS and rake off thirty thick and juicy points from all content sales in the Store. For work we bought a few from them to run our accounting VMs on. Just system builder Windows packs, nothing else on the invoice; no problem. Not playing with eBay stuff when a BSA audit is possible. I just wasn't willing to personally pay as much for a Windows license as the machine it was going onto was probably worth. So I rolled the dice and for now it counts as a win. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Off topic: Does anybody know how to read a .ptx (E-Transcript) document file?
On Tue, 2017-06-27 at 13:59 -0400, ven...@billoblog.com wrote: > Cool! I just downloaded and installed it. It installed without a hitch > with Virtualbox, though Microsoft insisted I create an account -- which > I've never done before. I didn't know that Win 10 was free from > Microsoft. It will work for a time, then demand you activate. If you don't it will go to a degraded mode where some things don't work and eventually limit how long it runs. Word around the campfire is a Windows 7/8 license key of the same type (home/pro) will still activate Win10. And as for the earlier recomendation to get a Windows license off eBay, be very careful. I tried that for a machine I was repurposing as a beater for one of the grandkids. It never had a Windows COA (built to run Linux) so I needed a license so he could dual boot to play games. Got a sealed Win7 Pro OEM "system builder" pack for <$40 from a U.S. seller that looks identical in every way to a known good one (bought from NewEgg) but it required phone activation so it probably isn't kosher. eBay has a serious problem with counterfeit merchandise of all kinds. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Brother, can you spare a printer?
On Fri, 2016-12-09 at 16:57 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > The most likely definition for "Linux is supported" is that somewhere on > Brother's dusty web site you can find a binary blob that you can install on > an Ubuntu LTS, or an RHEL distribution. Close. Perl scripts instead of blobs, which are much more portable across distros and versions. But at least for the .deb they didn't know enough to make em noarch. (Haven't installed a Brother on RH tech) When will companies learn to ask for community assistance? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is there a way to upgrade a 32bit fedora34 installation to a 64bit Fedora24?
On Tue, 2016-06-28 at 12:10 +0200, Joachim Backes wrote: > does anybody know a simple way to upgrade a 32bit fedora24 > workstation > to a 64bit fedora24 workstation without a complete system reinstall? You are changing archs. RPM just wasn't meant to do that. There are no simple ways and as others pointed out the hard ones are not exactly safe. Fedora isn't intended to be upgraded live even for normal version updates so a live image and chroot is going to be involved. I'd suggest pulling a list of every package being managed by RPM with "rpm -qal" into a file and then get a list of every file on the system partition(s) with find, Now sort em and use diff to find files that aren't part of the OS. Either clean em up or preserve accordingly. Then use rpm -Va to find any files that are changed from the packaged one, usually config files but not always marked as such depending on how much tweaking you have done. Preserve the changed files. Finally use rpm -qa to get a listing of every package you have installed. After you have all of that and a FULL AND VERIFIED BACKUP just reinstall from scratch. Now is also a once in a long time opportunity to change filesystems btw. Now pull another rpm -qa list and compare the two, and pull in the missing packages. Finally you can reapply your config file changes. All that sounds like a lot of work, but it is probably quicker and certainly safer than some harebrained scheme to to an in place arch change. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: recommended way of timing two pieces of code in C
On Fri, 2016-02-26 at 12:06 -0600, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > Thank you! So, is there any way that these other processes can be > separated out in the time calculations? I can not come up with > definitive statements unless I can do these comparisons in a fair > manner. Not really. The days of purely deterministic computing are long gone. What you can do is what most benchmarks do, run the program many times and calculate an average time. Depending what your program does though you may have to take steps to ensure the second and later runs are truly representative such as making sure nothing is still cached in theCPU cache, pages purged in memory, residing in the disc cache, etc. Be sure to consider everything that might make the second run go faster than the first. Those sort of issues are why the literature on benchmarking gets complicated really fast. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: I'm shocked, shocked!
On Sat, 2015-05-30 at 13:48 -0400, Digimer wrote: I dealt with this by setting names I want in /etc/udev/rules/70-persistent-net.rules to match MAC to device names (and then the name to IP in the usual ifcfg-X files). Yup, did that one long ago. Now where do I lock down the names of my displays? Finally came to F21 this weekend and my docking fixup script broke yet again because some idiot decided renaming all of the displays from a zero based numbering scheme to a one based names was worth breaking things over. Don't even remember what the change was last time, but it was something equally pointless. Of course in the long ago I didn't even NEED a docking script, Gnome just did the right thing on its own. Long ago. Changing existing names of things for trivial reasons should be an offense at least worthy of scorn and verbal abuse, but increasingly it is accepted and even praised. Not to mention docking in general has 'strongly discouraged' ever since the Tablet Madness hit. Mate lets be escape enough of it to be mostly useful, just so long as I remember that shutdown or reboot will fail when docked and apparently is a 'won't fix, you shouldn't do that' bug. Really wish I could find a way to change the power management behavior when a session isn't running, even if I could just disable ALL power management until a mate-power-manager could start. Little less drastic than switch to BSD, where really, you're trading one set of headaches for another. Switching operating systems over one bug is drastic, but increasingly it is more a philosophical divergence. The UNIX way vs whatever this new RedHat computing model is supposed to be called. Inertia keeps me running updates instead of reinstalling but when I finally replace this Thinkpad it will probably be time to distro/OS hunt. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Stuck Maximised
On Wed, 2015-04-08 at 16:38 +0200, poma wrote: On 06.04.2015 17:57, Jonathan Allen wrote: Hooray - thank you, that's sorted. Now all I have to do is get the background to display. The screen always shows what was last on it when a task closes and the default wallpaper never appears. How do I get the desktop and any still-open tasks to repaint the screen? Jonathan Create and log into a new user, see if the problem exists there. And if that doesn't work, got one more idea. Reading this thread triggered an old memory, had users getting Firefox stuck in full screen last year on CentOS 6, never figured out for certain how they (general public in a library lab) managed the feat but suspected it was abnormal session termination while full screen. Remember finding a sizemode='fullscreen' in localstore.rdf and manually turning that knob to get em back without nuking their entire .mozilla/firefox directory. Assume any XUL app also has one, don't have Tbird installed but do have other XUL apps that do. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: log message when starting firefox
On Sat, 2015-03-28 at 10:21 +0100, Corinna Vinschen wrote: \ This is with firefox 36.0.3-1 and 36.0.4-1. I have set toolkit.networkmanager.disable:true network.manage-offline-status:false browser.offline-apps.notify: false offline.autoDetect: false services.sync.prefs.sync.browser.offline-apps.notify: false but the log message shows up every time I start firefox. If it works for you, what is missing in my setup?!? Hmm. That should cover it. I was manually building up my network for months while NM had broken bridge support and I wasn't having to force Firefox online after applying that fix. I'll investigate my settings in more detail first chance I get. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: log message when starting firefox
On Thu, 2015-03-26 at 08:54 +0100, Corinna Vinschen wrote: Either way, is there a way to get rid of this log message other than installing NetworkManager? Yup. Navigate to about:config and create the following entry: toolkit.networkmanager.disable: true Works for me, somebody at Moz Corp fixed it, but they didn't make it easy to learn about that knob. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Monitor madness
Ok, I'm helping convert an XP user. I'm doing it long distance though. Testing with live images hasn't went well but have narrowed the problem down a bit. It is the video setup that is going Boom! Guy has an older ATI RV370 with a 32inch TV on the DVI port (via HDMI converter) and a 1600x1200 4:3 monitor on the VGA port. Booting the Fedora 21 media goes boom, junk on the displays. CTRL-ALT-F2 will get a text console though, which is kinda curious. Ok, try disconnecting a monitor and the VGA display is fine on XFCE or MATE. With XFCE the TV can be reconnected and it will mirror. I know XFCE used to be able to configure a dual display but didn't want to do it now. Mate on the other hand just dies when the TV is reconnected, yielding the same random gibberish on both screens that booting with both does with no obvious way to recover. So I guess step one is make both displays work. Step two of course is to get them to both work without hot plugging as that would get old real quick. If autodetection could be nuked it might be a start. Or figuring out what is different between XFCE booting with both and hotplugging. I'd guess the root of the problem is the DVI port is being picked as Primary if it is present at startup. Never heard of a boot switch to change it though. Haven't manually configured X in a few years, haven't needed to. Just not sure what this unusual situation calls for. One last datapoint. Threw more distros at it. A SystemRescueCD disc brings up a graphical desktop without a problem, saw the VGA as primary. Ubuntu fails pretty much the same as Fedora. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: End of 32-bit support?
On Wed, 2015-01-21 at 10:26 -0700, jd1008 wrote: I honestly do not see any reason to make so much noise about it. Where are 16 bit OS'es today? Does anyone want to go back to them? Not me. So, I think it is inevitable that support for 32 bit OS'es will come to an end. Of course it will end. But there are probably still a few 32bit only netbooks moldering in warehouses today that haven;t been spotted and remaindered out yet. The last 286 based PC was probably sold over twenty years ago. The i386 arch is gone, and few lamented it's passing by the time that happened, same for i486 and i586. But i686 is still a viable thing and a lot of perfectly good hardware uses it. Heck, the range of Thinkpads with both a 64bit CPU and a 'real' Thinkpad keyboard is pretty narrow so it pays to remain open to the option of a good 32bit machine. The problem with Smoogen's 'modest proposal' was that it was impossible to detect the Swiftian intent since it was so in line with Fedora/RH thinking as to be all too plausible. RHEL already ditched i686 after all and 'chasing the shiny' is almost the Fedora motto. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Swapping to a large sparse file
On Fri, 2015-01-16 at 13:08 -0700, jd1008 wrote: Can it be done? So far, swapon says: swapon: /var/swapfile: skipping - it appears to have holes. ... Maybe the devs can have a look and see if they can modify the swapper to allow sparse swap files?? There is a reason why it acts like it does. The system would panic if it tried and failed to allocate blocks when it needed them and the drive was full. The whole point is that swap is treated 'like ram, only slower' and thus it is not prepared for it to be in a 'quantum' state until the moment of actual use. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Swapping to a large sparse file
On Fri, 2015-01-16 at 14:26 -0700, jd1008 wrote: In older traditional practices, swap space was normally about twice the ram size. Today, with some systems having 64 and even 128GB and even larger RAM, it becomes interesting how big swap space should be. Where is the cutoff for performance? Paging in and out 128GB memory space could prove to be itself a performance bottleneck on very busy or memory bound servers. My advice is don't bother unless you know you need it. I find 512MB or 1GB to be plenty of swap. You need some swap just so the system can ditch memory that was used once to initialize code but isn't accessed again and other similar things that can be safely tossed to swap and forgot about. But if the system is actually swapping hundreds of megabytes in and out you will quickly be in a world of pain. Plus most of the time when that sort of memory pressure hits it is a runaway process that the OOM killer will eventually take out and having a lot of swap only increases how long you suffer with an almost totally unresponsive machine until that happens. If you are swapping and it isn't a runaway process or an exception to process a one off huge dataset it is a sign you need to bite the bullet and get more ram. If you know you are going to need a lot of swap to get through some script you banged out that allocates memory like mad, just add an extra swapfile on a temporary basis and drop it when you are done. You are allowed to have multiple swap files, partitions or any combination of them within sensible limits. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: swapping
On Fri, 2015-01-16 at 16:31 -0800, Gordon Messmer wrote: If your computer is single-user anyway, why does it need a security subsystem? *eyeroll* That actually isn't as crazy as you seem to think. Security should always be seen as tradeoff between the cost of the security vs the potential loss and the odds of a breech. Seen in that light simply disabling permissions could indeed be justified under some conditions. But there are some important differences between SELinux and the UNIX model, 1. You can teach a total newb (assuming IQ over room temp) the basics of the UNIX permissions system in under an hour and every admin is expected to know pretty much all details of it. Nobody understands SELinux beyond a few developers at RedHat and the NSA. Even after reading the O'Reilly book since it is already obsolete. Contrast to the UNIX model that hasn't changed in longer than the median age of the typical Linux user and has extensive documentation that is accurate. 2. The UNIX security model is integral to UNIX and Linux. SELinux exists almost entirely outside the normal filesystems and toolset. Normal tools rarely preserve SELInux attributes when taking backups or transferring files between machines. RPM only partially understands it after it being a standard feature for a decade. 3. Any machine configured even slightly differently than the RH devels expected -WILL- break SELinux. Or I have just been very very unlucky on multiple occasions. Unless one is, or has access to, one of the extremely limited number of SELinux experts the best solution is to simply disable it when it breaks. Doubly so if the machine in question isn't a server. 4. Consider the points above and realize SELinux has been a mandatory at install time feature on Fedora even longer than PulseAudio, and neither are even close to being reliable... yet were pushed into production and removal apparently isn't a topic for civilized discussion. At what point is it legitimate to question the wisdom of this? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora Android
On Wed, 2015-01-07 at 12:46 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: My bad, I had misspelled it. Thanks. No, I did it. However my phone is a Nexus 5 so it doesn't look like this will work for me. If you have a Nexus device you don't need anything special, they are all developer friendly. Kinda the point of the Nexus brand. The standard documented Android tools should just work. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora Android
On Tue, 2015-01-06 at 17:55 -0200, Sylvia Sánchez wrote: There's something that isn't been mentioned yet, but I would love to know. Is it possible to root an Android mobile from a Linux computer, e.g. Fedora? All the solutions I found are about Windows PC. :-/ Rooted a Blu phone and some Samsung Galaxy Note tablets, never needed Windows. The Samsung's weren't even what I'd even call 'hacking' to gain root on, just yum install heimdahl and Bob's yer uncle. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Power management and docks
Been banging my head against a minor problem for months now. Finally giving up and asking... Have a Thinkpad and a dock. Mate still allows for this arrangement, I can even configure it to stay powered on with the lid closed off of the dock if I want. The problem is I can't logout and back in or reboot. The second Mate releases control over power the machine suspends if the lid is down, like most cases while docked. Googled, poked around in config files, etc. Nothing seems to allow changing of the power policy while at the login screen. I can totally disable the lid from /etc/systemd/logind.conf but that is overkill. I do want the system to suspend if the AC is disconnected and the lid closes. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
