Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 3:07 AM, Ben Boeckel wrote: > > Don't they share a D-Bus API these days? > they do. On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > Why? Just use system dbus notifications and you're done. But as I suggested - > it > should be used only for critical notifications - non-critical should go just > through some kind of RSS feed or similar. > > R. this is what i did, the first prototype uses the dbus which means it should work on all desktops. about the fact of the critical & non-critical alerts, i think you should subscribe the fedora announce mailing list, & you'll not get more than 3 messages a month at most. this is the number of alerts i expect the user to get, 3 a month, at most. -- Regards,, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad @meGenius -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 06:30 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > I have to agree with Kevin here (!). Employing a notification system in > parallel to the ones already provides by the desktop environment is a > total nonstarter. > in fact, your point means there will be two versions, KDE version & other desktops version, which imo is not the best call. however, after seeing the big number of the alternative solutions, & the bigger number of the disagreements, i'm going to stop for a while before i make sure whether i should continue or not. -- Regards,, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad @meGenius -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:25 PM, g wrote: > On 08/25/2010 05:54 PM, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote: > > > thank you. > > great. now you are starting to get the idea behind what i and others > are trying to get across to you. > > it does not matter what your 'bit of wisdom' uses. if no one is for it, > nothing is needed. > > not to belittle you, but just because you think it is great, it does not > mean that it is great, needed, or anyone wants it. > > > > thank you. at least you are starting to see flaw. > > > it is bad to hate i hope you didn't understood me wrongly, i meant i don't hate you :) > hate builds prejudice and single minded thinking. > > if you are one among a few, why fight and insist against many? > > when the wheel rolls, why try to change it. > > > as are you. > > in this closing, please understand this, i do respect you opinions, but > as stated, i do not see advantage of what you want to do. i don't know whether you knew this or not, but, it wasn't my idea & i wasn't the one who started this thing. i'm just leading the programming part. again, i don't find this a big lose, so, creating a small application when i'm free is something worth the try. at the end of this, i'll recall you asking you about your opinion again. so, prepare to change your mind :P -- Regards,, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad @meGenius -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
after spending two days reading the two fedora mailing lists (fedora users & fedora devel), i got a list of ideas that need to be implemented in order to keep the things up: 1. the abililty to turn off the system 2. smart notifications (maybe multilanguage, geolocation-based, & time-aware notes) 3. keep a history of the notifications 4. max. number of notifications at the time 5. click able notifications 6. stackable notifications 7. manageable feeds any issue about any of those points?? -- Regards,, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad @meGenius -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:35 AM, g wrote: > On 08/24/2010 06:41 PM, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote: > > > > if you read back thru post, you will see that i did post a '+1' to point > made that i fully agree with and did not see need to write them all > over again. i respect your opinions, but, what is said - by you or by other users - doesn't help. you are just blowing away the whole idea. > > personally, see no benefit of adding something else to desktop that will > somewhere along the line be a potential problem. especially when desktops, > ie, kde, are always changing and in changing, breaking. that's why i didn't create a plasmoid & sent it to the fedora admins. the idea is a desktop independent application, why? because i'm using d-bus which is being used be all the desktops. > > therefore, to insure that users are notified, notices should be sent thru > list subscriptions. > > i subscribe to user, announce, xen, admin, redhat security, and kde list > and i am considering subscribing to dev list. > > in so doing, i do keep up with most of what is happening and i see no > reason why notifications can not be cross posted to list to inform one > and all when needed. > > nor do i see any reason that there would be any complaints of such cross > posting by subscribers of list. > > something that you may not have given consideration to, what happens > when a fedora user has fedora system off for a few days of he is using > another distribution and is still reading his emails and something > critical comes up like an exploit that can wipe entire installation as > soon as he runs a program that has a time delayed bomb in it and this > bomb is set for while he is out of fedora? > > very simple, he loses everything. why, because he was running a distrib > that was unaware and he did not get notified because notification did not > come via email. > > this to me is a big flaw in a very fine distribution. great point. > > there is nothing wrong with your concept if you not only have a > notification system and an email notification and ability to disable > notification system. > > another plus would be if notification system was designed to watch for > emails with a key in them that would trigger notification system to pop > up a notice on desktop, as long as feature had ability to disable. > > another flaw in automatic checking is what would happen if crazies decided > to run a DoS for url that check is made thru. in so running DoS, they > intercept and respond with a bogus 'all clear' of send a false 'danger' > with an update notice. then when user tries to run update, another DoS is > running against url for updates and another intercept is set up to download > some form of malware or bomb. > > yes, this is a lot of 'what ifs', but what if it was done? > > therefore, i still say, *BAD IDEA*. it gains nothing. it's not because i hate you - i don't even know your name ;) - but i'm going to continue this, because i think at the end we will know whether it will be able to solve such problems or not --not now. > > in closing, thank you for posting 'text/plain'. now your post will be > easier to follow and read by others who trap 'text/html'. > you are most welcome. > -- > > peace out. > > tc,hago. > > g > . > > > in a free world without fences, who needs gates. > ** > help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. > ** > to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. > to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. > ** > learn linux: > 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html > 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ > 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html > 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ > > > i -- Regards,, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad @meGenius -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Chris Smart wrote: > > Hey Mohmoud, > > Great idea, but I can't seem to clone the repo (remote hangs up).. > > -c > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines i can't understand why it's not possible to clone the repo. however, you can clone it using the http protocol, which i just enabled. please use the next command to clone the repo: git clone http://megenius.fedorapeople.org/git/fns.git/ -- Regards,, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad @meGenius -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Michael Semcheski wrote: > > I think that in this context, there should be fewer, not more sources > for the information - perhaps an RSS feed that mirrors an announcement > list, and a twitter rebroadcast of the same. > > But I think highly specialized clients for ingesting this information > is a good idea, so long as they're opt-in. If they are hard-wired to > look at the correct feed, then it provides a real service to > interested users, because it helps them to find the good source of > information and presents it to them in a convenient way. > > I also think a "notification-client" project would be well served by > identifying in writing how it works and what features it contains. > Examples: > > * The user can set a threshold to receive fewer or more notifications. > * Clicking on a notification takes the user to a web page with more > information. > * Notifications stay on the screen until the user clicks on them. > * There is a configuration directory similar to yum.repos.d that > manages the feeds the user is interested in. > > > There are plenty of people who do not want such a notification system > for very valid reasons. That doesn't mean its not a worthwhile idea > that others would want to use. > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > i totally agree with that. i'll put your points into consideration. -- Regards,, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad @meGenius -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Dj YB wrote: > > Totally agree, > > [Quote] > The Reason > A large number of Fedora users don't read the Fedora wiki & websites, thus, > they miss important news, tips & notifications. > [/Quote] > Perhaps the solution should be encouragement or even a guided sign up to a > mailing list during first log-in. > > [Quote] > A simple application that reads a multilanguage web feed & post a new > notification to the system using a D-Bus notifications system. > [/Quote] > > now I am not an expert about D-Bus notifications system, but as far as I > know > this notifications last for short duration, and there is no way to read the > history (sort of speak) > so E-Mail sounds much better. > or perhaps a desktop widget that you can remove if you don't like... > > I hope those are constructive comments, I have no other intentions. > Keep up the good work and effort. > > Thanks, > YB. > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > great point i should take into consideration. i guess i need to create a minimal GUI to let the users read the history. in addition, i would like to let the user choosing when to get the notifications, so, he can notice them. -- Regards,, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad @meGenius -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:47 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: > > What a horrible idea. Please PLEASE don't make it the default, and > certainly make sure I can yum remove it (because I *will* remove it). > > I get enough spam already, I don't need yet another well-known way > for spammers to hack into my system and put ads in front of my face. > I also don't need yet another Surprise! distraction popping up on my > desktop. > > Besides, we already have a way to do this - it's called e-mail. > Or twitter. Or usenet. Or facebook. Or the web. Or IRC. Let people > choose whether to get notices or not, and how, don't force it down their > throats the way some big companies do. > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > i guess you didn't read the wiki page, that's why you are saying this. the problem is a large number of the newbies don't follow any of the list items you mentioned. however, the idea worth a small application that is well configed & easily manageable, & of course removable. -- Regards,, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad @meGenius -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 3:51 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > > It is virtually certain that my idea of "important" and > your idea of "important" and every else's idea of "important" > will be radically different. The most "important" feature yet another > annoying popup needs is the ability to utterly disable it. > > Somehow this reminds me of the message boards they have > put in over I-95 in south Florida. They are also supposed > to be for "important" information, but all too often > whoever is in control of them puts completely irrelevant > messages on them which merely serve to block traffic > as everyone slows down to read them. > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > the notifications are being grabed from the fedora announcement lists, which is a really well managed mailing list by the fedora admins themselves. -- Regards,, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad @meGenius -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Fedora Notifications System.
Hi all,, before two weeks, a discussion started in ambassadors mailing-list about a work around to deliver the important notifications to the fedora desktop (whatever the desktop is). after some discussion, we started with some guide lines & putted them on the wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_notifications_system Continuing, I created an early prototype i want people to check & gives feedbacks about it. you can reach it through gitweb: http://fedorapeople.org/gitweb?p=megenius/public_git/fns.git;a=summary or, you can grab your own clone from the git repo: git://fedorapeople.org/megenius/fns.git i would like to know, 1. whether people would like to have a GUI for it or not, 2. whether they want to be able to read the previous announcements, & 3. whether they want the checking process automatically or manually. keep in mind that last_check file should be writeable by the world, & you should change its value to an earlier date, so you can see some notifications. -- Regards,, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad @meGenius -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
