Re: bugzilla.gnome.org is closing

[Neil Thompson]

I think you have more chance of seeing the sun go nova.

On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 at 15:54, John Mellor  wrote:

> Gnome bugzilla is absolutely useless, as nobody is doing any bugfixes.
> I don't think that a single one of my bugs has been resolved ever since
> Fedora started using Gnome.  Its a very strong indication of a broken
> system, and probably a very broken development organization.
>
> So, maybe moving to a different tracking system will be a good thing.
> At least GitLab will nag them about their backlog until its corrected.
> However, more critically, Gnome needs more people fixing bugs instead of
> writing new features, and much better communications.
>
> If that doesn't work, maybe its time in (say) a year, for Fedora to move
> the default GUI install away from Gnome.
>
>
> On 2020-11-13 2:32 p.m., ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> > I just got a notification that bugzilla.gnome.org
> > is being replaced by gitlab.gnome.org and that
> > they are starting over.
> >
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Re: Reasons for staying on a old version ( Re: Prepping for upgrade)

[Neil Thompson]

Ralf,

With all due respect (i.e. none) I don't think your opinion is really
necessary here - you've made your feelings clear over the last long while
and I have to wonder what the heck you're still doing here if you hate the
whole thing so much.  Surely there's another distribution that meets your
strict requirements better than Fedora?

On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 20:48, Ralf Corsepius  wrote:

> On 3/12/20 5:10 PM, sixpack13 wrote:
> > On 12.03.20 14:05, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> >> On 3/11/20 11:31 PM, Christopher Marlow wrote:
> >>> I am just curious why people stay on old versions of Fedora like say
> >>> FC30 instead of upgrading to 31?
> >>
> >> Upgrading Fedora is a bit like "installing Win10" updates.
> >>
> >> That said, I usually wait for a couple of weeks before upgrading,
> >> because new Fedora releases tend to suffer from pretty nasty bugs or
> >> changes, which often get fixed or at least documented in the early
> >> phases after a release.
> >>
> >
> > VETO !!!
> >
> > I installed (upgraded to) F31 when it was Beta and used it for daily use.
> > I'm not sure, but I mean I did so with F30.
>
> Mere luck ;)
>
> Seriously, this is a case of YMMV. Throughout the years, I've
> experienced all kind upgrades. From entirely flawless to total disaster.
>
> > Win10 or general Win up{d,gr}ate is a russian roulette with default 5
> > (!) bullets.
> Exactly. Though Fedora upgrades in general are not as much russian
> roulette as MS update, they also carry a non-zero risk.
>
>  From my experience, the probability of success s significantly higher a
> couple of weeks later after release, when a Fedora release has seen some
> "exposure to the wild" and when maintainers had a chance to fix their bugs.
>
> > Even while Fedora documents their bugs your comparison is invalide.
> My point was the Russian roulette character. Fedora upgrades share the
> Russian roulette character with MS-Patch Tuesdays.
>
> Ralf
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Re: Reasons for staying on a old version ( Re: Prepping for upgrade)

[Neil Thompson]

Sorted out and working properly.  I have no problem admitting I'm letting
other people do the hard work now.  I've done my time.

On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 19:36, sixpack13  wrote:

> On 12.03.20 17:29, Neil Thompson wrote:
> > I generally wait a month or so before upgrading, just to make sure that
> > everything on the additional repos is sorted out.
> >
>
> sorted out from whom ?
>
> you're screw if everybody waits.
>
> Hopefully one helps sorting with release+1 in an VM or so
>
> => quicker sorting
>
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Re: Reasons for staying on a old version ( Re: Prepping for upgrade)

[Neil Thompson]

I generally wait a month or so before upgrading, just to make sure that
everything on the additional repos is sorted out.

Having said that, apart from the occasional oddity (like this time I had to
uninstall cmake-fedora before upgrading), the cli upgrade process has been
pretty much flawless over at least the past 5 releases.  Kudos to the
developers.

I've been using Red Hat stuff since Mother's Day Plus One, and both Fedora
and RHEL (CentOS) are in their best state ever.

On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 00:33, Christopher Marlow  wrote:

> I am just curious why people stay on old versions of Fedora like say
> FC30 instead of upgrading to 31? I am guessing after a new version of
> FC comes out, that the previous version is still supported for a
> limited time?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
> Fedora 31 Workstation
> XFCE Desktop Enviroment.
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Re: Personal disputs in bugzilla (bug 1401166 )

[Neil Thompson]

At the very least, I think the package maintainer needs to be spoken to by
fedora people - swearing at bug reporters on the Fedora Bugzilla is
probably not "being excellent to each other".

On 20 February 2017 at 10:52, Clemens Eisserer  wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I frequently get bitten by bug *1401166*
> .
> The author closed the bug as WONTFIX because of some personal issues he
> had/has with the original reporter.
>
> Could somebody with the permissions please reopen the bug, so other users
> who run into this problem can report?
>
> Thanks, Clemens
>
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Re: OT - but of relevance!! Secret Open Source - Is this legal

[Neil Thompson]

I'd be a little worried about ransomeware with wine - I remember a virus
some years ago which did ugly stuff to excel files (IIRC), and it came in
through wine and trashed stuff in my $HOME.  All my wine stuff now is done
in sandboxes.

On 3 May 2016 at 18:40, Niels Kobschaetzki  wrote:

> On 16/05/03 15:08, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>
>> On 5/2/16, jd1008  wrote:
>>
>> How does that open up Linux to more viruses? You mean that crackers will
 suddenly start to use exploiting bugs in Linux-software to break into
 windows-boxes because a tiny amount of users will install this (after
 all only command line software runs with the Linux-integration)?You mean
 that crackers will suddenly start to use exploiting bugs in
 Linux-software to break into windows-boxes because a tiny amount of
 users will install this (after all only command line software runs with
 the Linux-integration)?
 --

>>> If linux is the guest on windows,  there is no guarantee
>>> that the virus will not be able to infect the machine emulator.
>>> and whatever is running on top of emulator.
>>>
>>
> Afaik it doesn't run in an emulator but more like wine. But I still do
> not get why that would expose Linux itself to a greater thread? That's
> still a Windows-machine getting infected. You mean like a virus, worm
> whatever would be injected into the binaries and then break into
> Linux-systems and infect them…like in the movies? oO
>
> So will Fedora be removing WINE too? Because that allows win32 code to
>> run on Linux...
>> *sarcasm*
>>
>
> Hm wine…I wonder what ransomware executed with wine would do…
>
> Niels
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Re: Fedora's audience

[Neil Thompson]

55, In IT since 1980 (COBOL, punch cards, etc).

Linux - SLS (April(ish) 1994)
  - Slackware (Shortly afterwards)
  - Red Hat Mother's Day (May 1995) and been on Redhattish stuff ever 
since.

Currently chief linux geek at an engineering copmpany.

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Fedora at South African Software Freedom Day

[Neil Thompson]

Hi all,

I'm not a Fedora Ambassador or anything, but the folks at my local
SFD committee know I use Fedora and were wondering about a Fedora
stall at the SFD meeting - 
http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2010/Africa/SouthAfrica/Pretoria

Is there a South African Ambassador?  Or does anyone have advice for
organising something like this.

Unfortunately, just about everyone at our local LUGS is an UBUNTU fan :P .

TIA
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