from:"Philip Brown"

Re: mpg123 not included, why?

2016-01-11 Thread Philip Brown

On 01/11/2016 11:48 AM, Ian Malone wrote:

On 11 January 2016 at 01:35, Tim <ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

Allegedly, on or about 10 January 2016, Philip Brown sent:

however, in a couple of very simple steps, this gives me a very usable
multimedia system on my default fedora workstation without having to
install any additional repos. which for me is awesome.

and I can confirm all I had to do was download and extract .so files
from the following 2 rpms:
http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/releases/22/Everything/x86_64/os/repoview/gstreamer1-libav.html
http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/releases/22/Everything/x86_64/os/repoview/gstreamer-plugins-ugly.html

really that simple, no dealing with runtime linker search paths,
additional rpm dependencies or anything like that.

ok I admit, in the long run, maybe it is planless, however this is not
intended as a complete solution intended to work forever, it will get
you up and running now and will probably keep working in the future
but as listed above it is not a repo sysyem with dnf/yum updates and
there will come a day when dependencies mismatch but... c'est la vie.

That's all very well, if you never intend to do a yum update again, in
the future. But if you do, then you've got to deal with all the
breakage that ensues. Which is going to be more work than simply
installing the repo, and installing the files you need, letting the
system do the work for you.

Yes, this is why I don't see any benefit to this approach at all. You
have to manually download the right rpms, extract libraries, move them
into place and then they'll stop working if you ever update the
installed programs. On top of which codecs are a great target for
vulnerabilities, so worth keeping them up to date. To me this seems
much more work than installing the rpmfusion repo, which involves
clicking two links at <http://rpmfusion.org/>, and you get a less
reliable setup out of it. The rpmfusion guys do a great job and it
integrates with the fedora repos, many of the people there are also
fedora project packagers. Particularly over things like gstreamer
where the plugins provided will work with fedora gstreamer directly.

never be able to run yum again?
I have been running this workaround for close to a year and dnf/yum is
still fully operational.
I am merely placing a few library files in my home folder. pray tell,
how is this going to blow up my system???

i understand you have nothing against the RPMFusion system and therefore
there would be absolutely no benefit for you. however the poster whom I
replied to, like me, had concerns and this is simply my workaround.

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Re: mpg123 not included, why?

2016-01-11 Thread Philip Brown

On 01/11/2016 01:21 PM, Ian Malone wrote:

On 11 January 2016 at 11:42, Philip Brown <philip.br...@kiwienglish.es> wrote:

On 01/11/2016 11:48 AM, Ian Malone wrote:

On 11 January 2016 at 01:35, Tim <ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

Allegedly, on or about 10 January 2016, Philip Brown sent:

however, in a couple of very simple steps, this gives me a very usable
multimedia system on my default fedora workstation without having to
install any additional repos. which for me is awesome.

and I can confirm all I had to do was download and extract .so files
from the following 2 rpms:

http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/releases/22/Everything/x86_64/os/repoview/gstreamer1-libav.html

http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/releases/22/Everything/x86_64/os/repoview/gstreamer-plugins-ugly.html

really that simple, no dealing with runtime linker search paths,
additional rpm dependencies or anything like that.

never be able to run yum again?
I have been running this workaround for close to a year and dnf/yum is still
fully operational.
I am merely placing a few library files in my home folder. pray tell, how is
this going to blow up my system???

Not what I said.

that is reassuring =)

What is your concern about RPMFusion? You seem to imply you have
something against it.

bad past experience, could have been livna, it was a long time ago and I
never used it since. I imagine it should be a lot better now, however
seeing as I only need these few files I prefer just to download them
rather than having an extra repo system. The updates for these rpms are
few and far between (last updates were Sept 2014 and May 2015) so it
does not really add much to my workload.

Re: mpg123 not included, why?

2016-01-11 Thread Philip Brown


On 01/11/2016 05:35 PM, Tim wrote:

Allegedly, on or about 11 January 2016, Philip Brown sent:

bad past experience, could have been livna, it was a long time ago and
I never used it since. I imagine it should be a lot better now,
however seeing as I only need these few files I prefer just to
download them rather than having an extra repo system.  The updates
for these rpms are few and far between (last updates were Sept 2014
and May 2015) so it does not really add much to my workload.

Kinda hard to relate ancient experience to what might happen now, one
doesn't necessarily demand the other.

But still, there are easier and better ways to do it than force
hand-unpacked files from an archive onto a system.  Such as:

Download the few rpm files that concern you,
then use yum localinstall with those files (or dnf).

They're installed properly, then.  And if other files are needed at the
same time, yum will get them, too.  The files are in the database so
that other things are aware of their presence.  And they're easily
removed, without breaking other things.


thanks, I appreciate the alternative method you have given. I will try 
that before going the "install repo" route if my setup breaks.


It's just not a good idea to jam in files.  It's an even worse idea to
advise someone to do it.  More so if it's not given with full warning.




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Re: mpg123 not included, why?

2016-01-11 Thread Philip Brown

On 01/11/2016 03:40 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:

On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 23:43:38 +0100, Philip Brown wrote:

And a "dnf install gstreamer1-plugins\*" here wants to install
"35 Packages", while some dependencies probably are installed already.

Ok Michael, I can see you don't like this.

however, in a couple of very simple steps, this gives me a very usable
multimedia system on my default fedora workstation without having to
install any additional repos. which for me is awesome.

That doesn't make it much better, since it mixes plugins for GStreamer 0.10.x
and GStreamer 1.x, and applications based on either one don't support the
other one.

And while you would get less plugins, if installing only the stuff from those
two rpms, there still is a dependency on two external packages. If "libmad"
for MP3 decoding is not installed already, the GStreamer plugin using it would
not work at all:

# dnf install gstreamer1-libav gstreamer-plugins-ugly
Dependencies resolved.

PackageArch Version Repository Size

Installing:
gstreamer-plugins-ugly
x86_64 0.10.19-18.fc23 rpmfusion-free-updates-testing 333 k
gstreamer1-libav x86_64 1.6.2-1.fc23rpmfusion-free-updates-testing 230 k
libmad x86_64 0.15.1b-17.fc23 rpmfusion-free-updates-testing 78 k
opencore-amr x86_64 0.1.3-4.fc22rpmfusion-free 178 k

Transaction Summary

Install 4 Packages

Total download size: 819 k
Installed size: 2.0 M
Is this ok [y/N]:

really that simple, no dealing with runtime linker search paths,
additional rpm dependencies or anything like that.

Wrong. As shown above. You would need to extract the "libmad" shared lib
and all other runtime dependencies in a similar way to decouple it from the
RPM based system installation. Or else any package update could replace libmad
with an upgrade that's incompatible with the plugins you've extracted.

thanks for explaining this so clearly, I now understand.
If libmad and/or opencore-amr from the standard repos are upgraded to
where they are incompatible I will certainly try out RPMFusion.

Re: mpg123 not included, why?

2016-01-10 Thread Philip Brown


On 01/10/2016 04:36 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:

On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 19:18:05 +0100, Philip Brown wrote:


if you don't want to install all the extra software repos etc... you can
just grab the rpms from rpmfusion, unzip and get all the .so files out
of them and place them in your .local/share/gstreamer-1.0/plugins
folder. a la:

ls .local/share/gstreamer-1.0/plugins/
libgsta52dec.solibgstcdio.solibgstlame.so libgstrmdemux.so
libgstamrnb.so libgstdvdlpcmdec.so  libgstlibav.so libgsttwolame.so
libgstamrwbdec.so  libgstdvdread.so libgstmad.so libgstx264.so
libgstasf.so   libgstdvdsub.so  libgstmpeg2dec.so libgstxingmux.so

and most all codecs will now run in your gnome applications without any
worries.

That seems planless.


on the contrary, the information was given to resolve concerns about 
acquiring codecs without having to install rpmfusion. i think it 
achieves that.

  Not everything people use is based on GStreamer, so
adding GStreamer plugins like that doesn't achieve much.

like i said, it is suitable for gnome apps, so that also achieves that.

And what about the
dependencies of those GStreamer plugins? Do you really fetch all those extra
rpms and extract them to a local path to be added to runtime linker's search 
path?

no. i extracted like 2 or 3 rpms and put the .so files in my plugins folder.

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Re: mpg123 not included, why?

2016-01-10 Thread Philip Brown

On 01/10/2016 10:41 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:

On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 22:25:20 +0100, Philip Brown wrote:

on the contrary, the information was given to resolve concerns about
acquiring codecs without having to install rpmfusion. i think it
achieves that.

The subject is about mpg123, which is not related to GStreamer at all.
The message you replied to is about RPMfusion in general.

like i said, it is suitable for gnome apps, so that also achieves that.

And you still would need to resolve dependencies *yourself*, which
defeats the purpose of tools like Yum or DNF. They would pull in what's
needed. It may even be a specific version of a library package that's
needed.

And what about the
dependencies of those GStreamer plugins? Do you really fetch all those extra
rpms and extract them to a local path to be added to runtime linker's search
path?

no. i extracted like 2 or 3 rpms and put the .so files in my plugins folder.

You need at least the following packages as dependencies,

libmad
libmimic
libmms
opencore-amr
vo-amrwbenc

for the plugins in "gstreamer1-plugins-bad-freeworld" and
"gstreamer1-plugins-ugly".

And a "dnf install gstreamer1-plugins\*" here wants to install
"35 Packages", while some dependencies probably are installed already.

Ok Michael, I can see you don't like this.

however, in a couple of very simple steps, this gives me a very usable
multimedia system on my default fedora workstation without having to
install any additional repos. which for me is awesome.

and I can confirm all I had to do was download and extract .so files
from the following 2 rpms:

http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/releases/22/Everything/x86_64/os/repoview/gstreamer1-libav.html
http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/releases/22/Everything/x86_64/os/repoview/gstreamer-plugins-ugly.html

really that simple, no dealing with runtime linker search paths,
additional rpm dependencies or anything like that.

ok I admit, in the long run, maybe it is planless, however this is not
intended as a complete solution intended to work forever, it will get
you up and running now and will probably keep working in the future but
as listed above it is not a repo sysyem with dnf/yum updates and there
will come a day when dependencies mismatch but... c'est la vie.

Re: mpg123 not included, why?

2016-01-09 Thread Philip Brown


On 01/09/2016 08:16 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Sat, 2016-01-09 at 19:18 +0100, Philip Brown wrote:

On 01/09/2016 06:21 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Sat, 2016-01-09 at 10:41 -0500, Fernando Cassia wrote:

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Ed Greshko <ed.gres...@greshko.co
m>
wrote:


mpg123 is available from the rpmfusion repos.

Thanks Ed!

Is there any side-effect from enabling the rpmfusion repos?
Conflict with system libs?

No, stuff in RPMfusion is there because of license issues, but I've
never had a problem with it. I suspect most people on the list have
it
enabled.

poc

if you don't want to install all the extra software repos etc... you
can
just grab the rpms from rpmfusion, unzip and get all the .so files
out
of them and place them in your .local/share/gstreamer-1.0/plugins
folder. a la:

ls .local/share/gstreamer-1.0/plugins/
libgsta52dec.solibgstcdio.solibgstlame.so
libgstrmdemux.so
libgstamrnb.so libgstdvdlpcmdec.so  libgstlibav.so
libgsttwolame.so
libgstamrwbdec.so  libgstdvdread.so libgstmad.so libgstx264.so
libgstasf.so   libgstdvdsub.so  libgstmpeg2dec.so
libgstxingmux.so

and most all codecs will now run in your gnome applications without
any worries.

That means you get to check back periodically and repeat the process by
hand if they've been updated. I don't see why most people would do
that. There really isn't a problem enabling RPMfusion repos. They are
designed to be used with the standard Fedora repos so you aren't going
to magically install stuff that conflicts.

poc

yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Re: mpg123 not included, why?

2016-01-09 Thread Philip Brown


On 01/09/2016 06:21 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Sat, 2016-01-09 at 10:41 -0500, Fernando Cassia wrote:

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Ed Greshko 
wrote:


mpg123 is available from the rpmfusion repos.


Thanks Ed!

Is there any side-effect from enabling the rpmfusion repos?
Conflict with system libs?

No, stuff in RPMfusion is there because of license issues, but I've
never had a problem with it. I suspect most people on the list have it
enabled.

poc


if you don't want to install all the extra software repos etc... you can 
just grab the rpms from rpmfusion, unzip and get all the .so files out 
of them and place them in your .local/share/gstreamer-1.0/plugins 
folder. a la:


ls .local/share/gstreamer-1.0/plugins/
libgsta52dec.solibgstcdio.solibgstlame.so libgstrmdemux.so
libgstamrnb.so libgstdvdlpcmdec.so  libgstlibav.so libgsttwolame.so
libgstamrwbdec.so  libgstdvdread.so libgstmad.so libgstx264.so
libgstasf.so   libgstdvdsub.so  libgstmpeg2dec.so libgstxingmux.so

and most all codecs will now run in your gnome applications without any 
worries.



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Re: O.T. Affordable scanner

2015-12-31 Thread Philip Brown


On 12/31/2015 12:00 AM, Bob Marcan wrote:

Looking for affordable scanner:
no multifunction device (bad experience with Canon)
supported by sane
flatbed
a4 format
scan plain documents
scan photographs in color
scan photographs in B (brown, my grandpa was born 1888)
scan negative & slides
USB or WIFI

TIA, Bob



HP Scanjet G3010
flatbed and works fine, has place negative/slides but I never used that
I picked it up secondhand for 15€
recommended

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Re: Cannot access my phone storage from fc22

2015-12-30 Thread Philip Brown


On 12/30/2015 04:58 AM, Tim wrote:

Allegedly, on or about 29 December 2015, jd1008 sent:

Android is 4.4.2 (nothing newer is available for my phone.
Developer option set. usb debugging enabled.

yet, when I plug my phone to usb on laptop,
laptop does not mount anything, nor does any icon
appear on the panel as a result of plugging in.
Also, the phone does not pop up a screen asking me
to enable USB in data mode or any other mode.

Recently I've had a few hours playing with an Android tablet (hideous
Laser thing).  To get it talking with the computer over USB, I had to
fiddling around with its USB settings, I can't recall whether it was the
general tablet settings, or within its file browser.  Go exploring.

I tried for weeks to get my Moto G connected then finally I tried with 
the cable that came in the box with the phone and it worked immediately.


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Re: kernel checkout specific version

2015-12-20 Thread Philip Brown


On 12/20/2015 09:55 PM, stan wrote:

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 10:48:40 +0100
Philip Brown <philipbrown...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi,

I would appreciate a little help please.
I am building the kernel with the following commands:

fedpkg clone -a kernel
cd kernel
git checkout -b f23 --track origin/f23
fedpkg local

and this builds a 4.2.8-300 release, however I need to build a
4.2.7-300 release which fedora is currently running on.

how would I alter my command to achieve this.

I haven't used fedpkg.  I was actually unaware of it until your post.
But a quick look at the man page suggests that it can build srpm
files.  So, you can go to koji,
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=8
select the kernel you want, and download the srpm.  Once you have that,
it appears that you can build the srpm using
fedpkg build --srpm [srpm name]

If the kernel has been built, there will already be a binary rpm there
for the common architectures.  You could forego the build, and just
download and install the binary rpm.
I'm quite new to all this kernel building guff, so I will definetly be 
looking into what you are saying. For the moment I have had to build a 
kernel as I have had to apply a patch to get my wacom tablet running.


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Re: kernel checkout specific version

2015-12-20 Thread Philip Brown


On 12/20/2015 11:18 PM, Philip Brown wrote:

On 12/20/2015 09:55 PM, stan wrote:

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 10:48:40 +0100
Philip Brown <philipbrown...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi,

I would appreciate a little help please.
I am building the kernel with the following commands:

fedpkg clone -a kernel
cd kernel
git checkout -b f23 --track origin/f23
fedpkg local

and this builds a 4.2.8-300 release, however I need to build a
4.2.7-300 release which fedora is currently running on.

how would I alter my command to achieve this.

I haven't used fedpkg.  I was actually unaware of it until your post.
But a quick look at the man page suggests that it can build srpm
files.  So, you can go to koji,
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=8
select the kernel you want, and download the srpm.  Once you have that,
it appears that you can build the srpm using
fedpkg build --srpm [srpm name]

If the kernel has been built, there will already be a binary rpm there
for the common architectures.  You could forego the build, and just
download and install the binary rpm.
I'm quite new to all this kernel building guff, so I will definetly be 
looking into what you are saying. For the moment I have had to build a 
kernel as I have had to apply a patch to get my wacom tablet running.




just to answer this question as I received an answer from Josh at the 
kernel mailing list which is as follows:


You need to look in koji for the specific build, and use the sha1sum 
hash that version was built from.
You can do this by navigating the build webpages, or using the koji 
command line client.

The command line client method is below:

[jwboyer＠vader ~]$ koji buildinfo kernel-4.2.7-300.fc23 | head -n 5
BUILD: kernel-4.2.7-300.fc23 [704495]
State: COMPLETE
Built by: jforbes
Volume: DEFAULT Task: 12130200 build 
(f23-candidate,/kernel:827b8d0864402142f735d3e8cef8d20ae094e2d7)


The hash is listed there .
Then go to your checkout you've done with fedpkg and run:

git reset --hard 827b8d0864402142f735d3e8cef8d20ae094e2d7

and your local repo will be reset to the same commit that was used to 
build 4.2.7-300.fc23.


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Re: Problem with bash: alias command

2015-12-20 Thread Philip Brown

i think that is a feature of echo
if you want without the space you could use printf

alias x='printf "PAR=%s\n" $1'


On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Joachim Backes <
joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Running F23, and my shell is /bin/bash.
>
> My problem: suppose you define an alias:
>
> alias x='echo PAR=$1'
>
> Now call the alias by:
>
> x 1
>
> Output: PAR= 1
>
> My question: why do I get the blank before the "1"?
>
> All comments are welcome.
>
> Kind regards
>
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kernel checkout specific version

2015-12-20 Thread Philip Brown

Hi,

I would appreciate a little help please.
I am building the kernel with the following commands:

fedpkg clone -a kernel
cd kernel
git checkout -b f23 --track origin/f23
fedpkg local

and this builds a 4.2.8-300 release, however I need to build a
4.2.7-300 release which fedora is currently running on.

how would I alter my command to achieve this.

thanks for help,
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Re: Problem with bash: alias command

2015-12-20 Thread Philip Brown

same problem...  not on my terminal

bash-4.3$ x 1
PAR=1

but I must say you explained "the why" very well regards the initial empty
parameter


On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Michael Welle <mwe012...@gmx.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Philip Brown <philipbrown...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > i think that is a feature of echo
> > if you want without the space you could use printf
> >
> > alias x='printf "PAR=%s\n" $1'
> same problem as with the initial question. What value does the $1 have?
> It is empty. alias does not expect any parameters, if that might be the
> idea behind $1.
>
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