Re: Latest upgrade KDE Wayland high CPU

[richard emberson]

It did happen again after a /bin/reboot but then settled down to 1% after 2 or 
3 hours.

On 7/1/24 9:27 PM, Tim via users wrote:

On Thu, 2024-06-27 at 08:11 -0700, richard emberson wrote:

Never Mind.
Within 2 hours of posting the original post, Idle CPU usage settled down less 
than 1% and
this morning it is still at less than 1%.

Still its funny that Fedora/WayLand/KDE wanted to use so much CPU for the first 
hour or two
after a new install (note: during this time the disks were in sleep mode).


I would have guessed building a cache, compiling or indexing something,
but you said the discs were sleeping.

I'm curious if that was a once-off, or if you get it again after a cold
boot.
  

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Re: Latest upgrade KDE Wayland high CPU

[richard emberson]

Never Mind.
Within 2 hours of posting the original post, Idle CPU usage settled down less 
than 1% and
this morning it is still at less than 1%.

Still its funny that Fedora/WayLand/KDE wanted to use so much CPU for the first 
hour or two
after a new install (note: during this time the disks were in sleep mode).

Thanks

On 6/26/24 3:03 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Wed, 2024-06-26 at 14:30 -0700, richard emberson wrote:

Just upgraded from 6.8.8-300.fc40.x86_64 to 6.9.5-200.fc40.x86_64.
With both using KDE Wayland.
With 6.9.5-200.fc40 there is high idle CPU usage:

around 35% for /usr/bin/plasmashell --no-respawn
around 25% for /bin/kwin_wayland --wayland-fd 7 --socket wayland-0 --
xwayland-fd 8 --xwayland-fd 9 --xwayland-display :0 --xwayland-
xauthority /run/user/1000/xauth_oPtMqQ --xwayland
and 20% for [kworker/u18:2-events_unbound]

There are a bunch of kworkers that for a time take up 20% CPU (such
as [kworker/1:2-events] and others)
With version 6.8.8-300.fc40 where was no such high CPU usage.

What to do?


Try asking on the Fedora KDE list.

poc
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fedora upgrade to 6.9.5-200.fc40.x86_64: no /bin/thunderbird-wayland

[richard emberson]

With fedora 6.8.8-300.fc40.x86_64 thunderbird packaged contained 
/bin/thunderbird-wayland.
With fedora 6.9.5-200.fc40.x86_64 the thunderbird package 115.12.1 does not 
contain /bin/thunderbird-wayland

dnf search thunderbird
=== Name & Summary Matched: thunder 
plasma-thunderbolt.x86_64 : Plasma integration for controlling Thunderbolt
  : devices
plasma-thunderbolt.i686 : Plasma integration for controlling Thunderbolt devices
thunderbird.x86_64 : Mozilla Thunderbird mail/newsgroup client
thunderbird-librnp-rnp.x86_64 : OpenPGP implementation for Thunderbird based on
  : RNP
thunderbird-wayland.x86_64 : Thunderbird Wayland launcher.


On package page for thunderbird-wayland
https://packages.fedoraproject.org/pkgs/thunderbird/thunderbird-wayland/
says stable release is 115.9.0-1.fc40
but the "Recent Activity" has some notes associated with 
thunderbird-115.12.1-1.fc40

Was thunderbird-wayland left out or is it no longer needed?
Thanks
Richard
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Latest upgrade KDE Wayland high CPU

[richard emberson]

Just upgraded from 6.8.8-300.fc40.x86_64 to 6.9.5-200.fc40.x86_64.
With both using KDE Wayland.
With 6.9.5-200.fc40 there is high idle CPU usage:

around 35% for /usr/bin/plasmashell --no-respawn
around 25% for /bin/kwin_wayland --wayland-fd 7 --socket wayland-0 
--xwayland-fd 8 --xwayland-fd 9 --xwayland-display :0 --xwayland-xauthority 
/run/user/1000/xauth_oPtMqQ --xwayland
and 20% for [kworker/u18:2-events_unbound]

There are a bunch of kworkers that for a time take up 20% CPU (such as 
[kworker/1:2-events] and others)
With version 6.8.8-300.fc40 where was no such high CPU usage.

What to do?
Thanks

Richard
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Re: Firefox foul ups

[richard emberson]

Starting about 2 or 3 months ago, I started to 1) uses multiple Firefox 
profiles and 2) after using one of the profiles, exiting Firefox.
I have one profile where I do all my non-anonymous interactions (sites were I 
do not want to clear particular cookies
after each interactions) and the a couple other profiles (news sites; quick 
lookup/one or two tabs/single purpose; information
(web sites I've not finished looking at)). For "non-anonymous" profile, I every 
day or so remove all data associated with
all but a few selected sites. For all the "anonymous" profiles I do a 
shift-ctl-delete prior to exiting and remove all data.

For the past year? or so I had issues with (KDE) Wayland (new Wayland user): 
freezing, high cpu usages, etc. It turned out that all
the issues went away if I used Firefox sparingly: never let it run when I was 
not using it and clearing it all the time.
I also do a:
ps auxwww | grep firefox
maybe once a day just to make sure there is no Firefox process running in the 
background.

Richard

On 6/22/24 8:16 AM, Steve Underwood wrote:

Is anyone else having problems with Firefox on FC39 with XFCE recently? After 
rock solid operation for a long time, in the last 2 or 3 weeks the UI has been 
fouling up every day or two when I do some seemingly mundane operation in 
Firefox. A couple of times Firefox has crashed after a few seconds. The foul 
ups sometimes only affect the Firefox windows, and other windows still work OK. 
Sometimes the whole desktop fouls up, and I have to switch to a text only 
screen and kill Firefox. That restores normal desktop operation for all the 
other windows.

Steve

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Re: How to remove settings from a systemd unit file

[Richard Shaw]

On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 6:24 PM Sam Varshavchik 
wrote:

> So I was tearing my hair out trying to figure out why attempts to push
> via
> DAV to a git repo were failing.
>
> Eventually I succeeded in stracing the httpd process sto capture the
> request. It was getting an EROFS when it tried to write to the git repo.
>
> Amusing.
>
> To make a long story short, the culprit was:
>
> ProtectHome=read-only
>
> in /lib/systemd/system/httpd.service,(the git repo was in a directory
> inside
> a mounted /home partition).
>
> I tried using
>
> systemctl edit httpd
>
> And putting this in there:
>
> [Service]
> ProtectHome=
>
> However this apparently did not work. I threw in the towel and just
> edited
> /lib/systemd/system/httpd.service and commented this setting out,
> entirely,
> to finally fix this issue, and happy git pushing resumed.
>
> But how do I fix this so that the next apache update doesn't clobber this?
>

Copy the file to /etc/systemd/system and it will override the package
provided file in /lib/systemd/system

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: 2 sets of backups with Backups?

[Richard England]

You might also take a look at Back In Time 
(https://backintime.readthedocs.io/)


~~R

Defenestrated since 1990

On 5/7/24 22:11, Frederic Muller wrote:

On 30/04/2024 16:54, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Tue, 2024-04-30 at 16:44 +0700, Frederic Muller wrote:

Hi!

I currently do weekly backups with Backups and Duplicity> I was
thinking
to add another batch job of daily backup, faster, for specific files
and
folders that are updated daily.

Unfortunately Backups doesn't seem to give the options for 2 batches,
or
selecting single files. How would you do about that then?

I have a NAS to which I plan to copy those files.

I use Borgmatic, which runs nightly and has a config file for what I
want to backup and how long to keep it. It's also deduplicating and
optionally encrypts.

poc


Thank you very much. I was not aware of this application and will look 
into it.


Fred
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Re: /boot too small

[richard emberson]

Poking about I see that the default workstation disk layout:
  https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/workstation-docs/disk-config/
has /boot on a ext4 partition and everything else on btrfs.
Also, the replacement for Anaconda will not happen until Fedora 41:
  
https://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?332111-Fedora-40-will-remain-with-existing-anaconda

So, are you saying that with Fedora 41, it will be the default for the /boot 
partition to use btrfs?
Or, is this something that works for you?

Thanks.
Richard
On 5/14/24 3:38 PM, Michal Schorm wrote:

On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 8:13 PM Tim via users
 wrote:

Does /boot still need to be its own partition, these days?
/boot/efi has to be, but that's mapped into /boot, already.


Definitely not.
And it actually creates all kinds of problems when separated.

The best *trivial* setup and usage should be having everything on
BTRFS (except EFI, as you said),
and maintain some amount of snapshots you can revert to anytime in
case of any issues.

When /boot is on the BTRFS, the snapshot contains the whole system,
and ensures bootability of the snapshots.

When /boot is on a standalone partition, the snapshot contains kernel
modules, but not the actual kernel.
When booting a new kernel (from /boot) with old kernel modules (from
the snapshot), the modules can't be loaded, leaving you with a kind of
crippled system. (bootable, but only partly usable)
Which is far from what people would usually expect.

--

A better, but more complicated setup consists of various snapshots of
various subvolumes which are mounted to various locations. (e.g.
standalone subvolumes for /home, games, backups, ... whatever)
Often managed by some software (snapper, timeshit, ... not sure about
the specific names), rather than the btrfs commands themselves.

--

I managed to craft a setup that changes which snapshot (or which OS)
will boot by changing just a single symlink.
That too would be (likely ?) impossible with /boot on a separate partition.

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Red Hat

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On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 8:13 PM Tim via users
 wrote:


On Tue, 2024-05-14 at 08:27 -0700, richard emberson wrote:

Back on 05/03/2024 I posted the question:
"How to increase size of /boot partition"
I had the same problem.

As was noted by some, I had not upgraded for a long, long time:
"This type of layout and partition sizes is ancient.  /tmp isn't even a 
partition now."


Does /boot still need to be its own partition, these days?

/boot/efi has to be, but that's mapped into /boot, already.


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Re: /boot too small

[richard emberson]

Back on 05/03/2024 I posted the question:
  "How to increase size of /boot partition"
I had the same problem.

As was noted by some, I had not upgraded for a long, long time:
  "This type of layout and partition sizes is ancient.  /tmp isn't even a partition 
now."

So, I decided to re-install. I pretty much used the installation default 
partitioning except that I
made /boot 2GB (a little future proofing). This also allowed me to go from ext4 
to btrfs (except /boot
of course).

Richard



On 5/14/24 12:38 AM, Patrick Dupre via users wrote:

Hello,

During an update, I get

Error Summary
-
Disk Requirements:
At least 7MB more space needed on the /boot filesystem.


How can I fix it without currently resizing /boot?
Thank

drwx--. 5 root root  4096 May 14 08:36 grub2
lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root45 Mar  7 13:24 symvers-6.7.7-100.fc38.x86_64.xz 
-> /lib
/modules/6.7.7-100.fc38.x86_64/symvers.xz
-rw---. 1 root root  81850041 Mar  7 13:24 
initramfs-6.7.7-100.fc38.x86_64.img
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root269378 Mar  1 01:00 config-6.7.7-100.fc38.x86_64
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root   8851783 Mar  1 01:00 System.map-6.7.7-100.fc38.x86_64
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  14794568 Mar  1 01:00 vmlinuz-6.7.7-100.fc38.x86_64
lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root45 Feb 13 17:38 symvers-6.7.4-100.fc38.x86_64.xz 
-> /lib
/modules/6.7.4-100.fc38.x86_64/symvers.xz
-rw---. 1 root root  81905180 Feb 13 17:37 
initramfs-6.7.4-100.fc38.x86_64.img
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root269327 Feb  5 01:00 config-6.7.4-100.fc38.x86_64
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root   8850577 Feb  5 01:00 System.map-6.7.4-100.fc38.x86_64
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  14806856 Feb  5 01:00 vmlinuz-6.7.4-100.fc38.x86_64
lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root46 Jan 25 13:39 symvers-6.6.13-100.fc38.x86_64.xz 
-> /li
b/modules/6.6.13-100.fc38.x86_64/symvers.xz
-rw---. 1 root root  42503616 Jan 25 13:39 
initramfs-6.6.13-100.fc38.x86_64.img
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root266375 Jan 20 01:00 config-6.6.13-100.fc38.x86_64
-rw---. 1 root root   8786049 Jan 20 01:00 System.map-6.6.13-100.fc38.x86_64
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  14676712 Jan 20 01:00 vmlinuz-6.6.13-100.fc38.x86_64
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root147744 Jan  7 01:00 memtest86+x64.bin
drwx--. 4 root root  4096 Jun 20  2023 efi
drwxr-xr-x. 2 root root  4096 Jun 20  2023 extlinux
-rw---. 1 root root 103940590 Jul 21  2022 
initramfs-0-rescue-c60d54440c4d444a9eb5a084a65edf40.img
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  11802352 Jul 21  2022 
vmlinuz-0-rescue-c60d54440c4d444a9eb5a084a65edf40

drwxr-xr-x. 3 root root  4096 Jul 21  2022 loader
drwx--. 2 root root 16384 Jul 21  2022 lost+found


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Re: Fail2ban is failing

[Richard Shaw]

On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 4:13 PM Patrick O'Callaghan 
wrote:

> On Fri, 2024-05-03 at 13:08 -0400, Tom Rivers via users wrote:
> > Until the fix is available, I've been able to get it running until
> > the
> > next system reboot by doing the following:
> >
> > # setenforce 0
> > # systemctl start fail2ban
> >
> > ... wait a minute ...
> >
> > # setenforce 1
> >
>
> That seems to work. Looks like a problem with SElinux labelling.
>

More or less, basically from what I can tell with F40 that the link from
/var/run->/run for compatibility was dropped and the selinux context in the
fail2ban package needed to be updated (and it was) but my assumption is
that installation of the new package would take care of it.

Thanks,
Richard
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How to increase size of /boot partition

[richard emberson]

Just today I upgraded from 39 to 40 but there was an issue:
dnf told me I needed some 800k more space in my /boot partition to proceed.
I had two kernels in /boot so I dnf removed those associated with the older
of the two kernels. I then successfully upgraded.
I fear the next time I do a dnf update which includes a new kernel I will
be told, again, that there is not enough space in my /boot partition.

So, how can I increase the size of the /boot partition? Many partitions,
like /tmp, are bigger than they need to be.

Here is what how the /sda disk is organized.
$ lsblk
NAME  MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE  MOUNTPOINTS
sda 8:00 223.6G  0 disk
├─sda1  8:10   250M  0 part  /boot
├─sda2  8:20 105.5G  0 part
│ └─luks-a2ebb2b0-527d-47f3-83ef-e5908805f31d
│ 253:30 105.5G  0 crypt /ssd
├─sda3  8:30  97.7G  0 part
│ └─luks-35719a97-5898-4420-9a56-1576ffdc6db3
│ 253:10  97.7G  0 crypt /
├─sda4  8:40 1K  0 part
├─sda5  8:50   9.8G  0 part
│ └─luks-5ee2ed8e-4bdf-43e1-adb0-34a70610a77f
│ 253:20   9.8G  0 crypt /tmp
└─sda6  8:60   9.8G  0 part
   └─luks-03c06df8-f9b9-4f0d-847e-79a7ed527888
   253:00   9.8G  0 crypt [SWAP]

$ df -h
Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/dm-196G   22G   70G  25% /
devtmpfs4.0M 0  4.0M   0% /dev
tmpfs16G 0   16G   0% /dev/shm
tmpfs   6.3G  1.8M  6.3G   1% /run
/dev/sda1   237M  179M   42M  82% /boot
/dev/dm-2   9.5G  260K  9.0G   1% /tmp
/dev/dm-3   104G  193M   99G   1% /ssd
/dev/dm-4   1.9T  1.2T  630G  66% /home
/dev/dm-5   1.7T  903G  736G  56% /data1
/dev/dm-620G   12G  6.9G  63% /var
tmpfs   3.2G  152K  3.2G   1% /run/user/1000


Thanks for any help give.

I realize one way is to backup /home and then reinstall Fedora but
1) that seems like a lot of work,
2) it would mean that the machine in question would then have to
use Wayland rather than Xorg and
3) with Wayland I could not use xfce4.

Richard
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How to increase size of /boot partition

[richard emberson]

Just today I upgraded from 39 to 40 but there was an issue:
dnf told me I needed some 800k more space in my /boot partition to proceed.
I had two kernels in /boot so I dnf removed those associated with the older
of the two kernels. I then successfully upgraded.
I fear the next time I do a dnf update which includes a new kernel I will
be told, again, that there is not enough space in my /boot partition.

So, how can I increase the size of the /boot partition? Many partitions,
like /tmp, are bigger than they need to be.

Here is what how the /sda disk is organized.
$ lsblk
NAME  MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE  MOUNTPOINTS
sda 8:00 223.6G  0 disk
├─sda1  8:10   250M  0 part  /boot
├─sda2  8:20 105.5G  0 part
│ └─luks-a2ebb2b0-527d-47f3-83ef-e5908805f31d
│ 253:30 105.5G  0 crypt /ssd
├─sda3  8:30  97.7G  0 part
│ └─luks-35719a97-5898-4420-9a56-1576ffdc6db3
│ 253:10  97.7G  0 crypt /
├─sda4  8:40 1K  0 part
├─sda5  8:50   9.8G  0 part
│ └─luks-5ee2ed8e-4bdf-43e1-adb0-34a70610a77f
│ 253:20   9.8G  0 crypt /tmp
└─sda6  8:60   9.8G  0 part
  └─luks-03c06df8-f9b9-4f0d-847e-79a7ed527888
  253:00   9.8G  0 crypt [SWAP]

$ df -h
Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/dm-196G   22G   70G  25% /
devtmpfs4.0M 0  4.0M   0% /dev
tmpfs16G 0   16G   0% /dev/shm
tmpfs   6.3G  1.8M  6.3G   1% /run
/dev/sda1   237M  179M   42M  82% /boot
/dev/dm-2   9.5G  260K  9.0G   1% /tmp
/dev/dm-3   104G  193M   99G   1% /ssd
/dev/dm-4   1.9T  1.2T  630G  66% /home
/dev/dm-5   1.7T  903G  736G  56% /data1
/dev/dm-620G   12G  6.9G  63% /var
tmpfs   3.2G  152K  3.2G   1% /run/user/1000


Thanks for any help give.

I realize one way is to backup /home and then reinstall Fedora but
1) that seems like a lot of work and
2) it would mean that the machine in question would then have to
use Wayland rather than Xorg.

Richard
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Re: Fail2ban is failing

[Richard Shaw]

On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 6:31 AM Patrick O'Callaghan 
wrote:

> F40 fully updated.
>

Try a `dnf --refresh update`. The fix just went to stable last night.

Thanks,
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Re: fail2ban on F40 is quiet

[Richard Shaw]

On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 9:31 AM Frank Bures  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> My machine is exposed to the wild and I was seeing hundreds of connection
> attempts per day in my logs and in fail2ban.log.
>
> All these nefarious activities ceased after upgrade to F40.
>
> Question:
> Is there something fundamentally different in F40 connectivity?
> I can still connect from outside on pre-defined ports using ssh so my ISP
> is not blocking anything.
>

I would try this update and see if it fixes your problem. There's also a
new release but I want this to go stable first.

https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2024-95a6cdf26b

Thanks,
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Re: Live USB extra space

[Richard Shaw]

On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 11:21 PM ToddAndMargo via users <
users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I "Finally" have a customer interested in Fedora.  I
> talked him into letting me spin a Live USB flash drive
> for him to play with before we jump ahead.
>
> Question:  Is there a way to use the extra space on the
> drive to install a few more programs for him to experiment
> with?
>

There used to be a way to make it semi-permanent but I don't think that's
supported anymore. But it would only record changes to the file system (all
changes were appended) so you would eventually use up the space.

In this case I might be tempted to do a real install to a USB stick or
similar. I actually had a full install on a M.2 SATA in a USB 3.0 enclosure.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: The best way to still use Fedora + Xorg + Gnome ... even after version 40

[Richard Shaw]

On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 7:48 PM Sam Varshavchik 
wrote:

> Jeffrey Walton writes:
>
> > Wayland is still pretty immature when compared to X11. It would be nice
> if
> > Wayland was more mature before we are forced to switch to it.
>
> The question on everyone's mind is: well, here's a video card that works
> fine with X. It's 5-10 years old, one of mine is even older. What are the
> chances that Wayland actually supports it.
>

Well if you're running Fedora you should be able to try it by changing to X
before logging in. A even less intrusive way would be to try Fedora 40 on a
live USB stick.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: New BackupPC Server Hardware; Existing Data Pool

[Richard Shaw]

On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 6:43 AM Tim Evans  wrote:

> The new BackupPC server starts up--I can see it in process listing;
> httpd web server is working as well.  I get prompted to log in to the
> server admin page as expected, then get the following httpd "503" error:
>
> "Service Unavailable
>
> The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to
> maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later."da
>
> The BackupPC log files don't show any activity, nor does journalctl.
>
> I do, however, see this in the httpd error_log:
>
> [Tue Feb 20 06:36:00.553934 2024] [cgid:error] [pid 2519:tid 2670]
> (13)Permission denied: [client ::1:43404] AH01257: stderr from
> /usr/libexec/BackupPC/BackupPC_Admin: unable to connect to cgi daemon
> after multiple tries
>

As the BackupPC package maintainer, I have never seen this, so it may be
unique to your setup...

The only thing I can think of right now might be to try temporarily putting
SELinux into permissive mode and see if that helps. If so, maybe relabeling
the filesystem if the key.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: OT: what is an NSC?

[Richard]

 Original Message 
> Date: Sunday, January 28, 2024 11:07:14 +
> From: Patrick O'Callaghan 
>
> On Sun, 2024-01-28 at 03:04 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> Sorry for asking an off topic question here, but
>> I know you guys will know the answer off the
>> top of your heads.
>> 
>> What is an "NSC" used in this context?
>> 
>>     1.3.3 NSCs are installed between all wireless
>>     networks and the CDE, regardless of whether
>>     the wireless network is a CDE
>> 
>> CDE is Card Holder Environment.
> 
> It might be more understandable if you said where this quote comes
> from.
> 
> poc
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That snippet is from:



Scrolling up from the 1.3 section to 1.2 ... one will see that, in
this M$ context, NCS is "Network security controls (NSCs)"

[putting the quoted bit into a search engine turned this up as the
first result ... ]

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Re: Help in converting a Ubuntu install to Fedora

[Richard Shaw]

On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 1:08 PM Robert Moskowitz  wrote:

>
>
> On 1/5/24 08:24, Richard Shaw wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 9:50 PM Robert Moskowitz 
> wrote:
>
>> I wsa told to try:
>>
>>
>>1.
>>https://ardupilot.org/dev/docs/sitl-simulator-software-in-the-loop.html
>>2. https://ardupilot.org/dev/docs/copter-sitl-mavproxy-tutorial.html
>>3.
>>
>> https://ardupilot.org/dev/docs/setting-up-sitl-on-linux.html#setting-up-sitl-on-linux
>>
>>  and it is #3 where converting Ubuntu instructions to Fedora that I am
>> stuck.  I can work with GIT, that part is easy.  But when I get past that,
>> I stall.
>>
>>
>> Can anyone take a look at this and advise?
>>
>
> The only Ubuntu specific command I saw was installing Flight Gear which
> would translate to:
>
> $ sudo dnf install FlightGear
>
>
> So
>
> Tools/environment_install/install-prereqs-ubuntu.sh -y
>
> or the alternative method
>
> are not needed?
>

I didn't dig past the first level link. It looks like that script does
quite a lot. Unfortunately that's a bit too much to decipher for me right
now. A significant portion does seem to just install different versions of
packages depending on what version of Ubuntu you're running.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: Help in converting a Ubuntu install to Fedora

[Richard Shaw]

On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 9:50 PM Robert Moskowitz  wrote:

> I wsa told to try:
>
>
>1.
>https://ardupilot.org/dev/docs/sitl-simulator-software-in-the-loop.html
>2. https://ardupilot.org/dev/docs/copter-sitl-mavproxy-tutorial.html
>3.
>
> https://ardupilot.org/dev/docs/setting-up-sitl-on-linux.html#setting-up-sitl-on-linux
>
>  and it is #3 where converting Ubuntu instructions to Fedora that I am
> stuck.  I can work with GIT, that part is easy.  But when I get past that,
> I stall.
>
>
> Can anyone take a look at this and advise?
>

The only Ubuntu specific command I saw was installing Flight Gear which
would translate to:

$ sudo dnf install FlightGear

Thanks,
RIchard
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Re: VLC in Fedora vs RPMFusion

[Richard W.M. Jones]

On Sun, Dec 24, 2023 at 04:55:50PM +0100, Ralf Corsépius wrote:
> Am 24.12.23 um 16:20 schrieb Richard W.M. Jones:
> >Is there some advantage here?  I don't want to lose the ability to
> >playback weird / proprietary stuff, which is (I assume) why I needed
> >to use vlc from rpmfusion.
> 
> I think, this posting says enough:
> https://twitter.com/rpmfusion_team/status/1735617564527472862
> 
> RHAT/Fedora has taken over vlc and pushed incompatible changes midst
> of the lifetime of a released Fedora.

Thanks, this explains the change (which I've blocked with an
"excludes" ... for now).  The bug report is more informative:

https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6816

> IMO, this is entirely inappropriate and should not have happened.

It does seem rather rude and should have been done in a more
thoughtful way.

Rich.

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VLC in Fedora vs RPMFusion

[Richard W.M. Jones]

I just did an upgrade on my Fedora 38(-ish) machine and dnf wants to
replace the rpmfusion version of vlc:

  Name: vlc
  Epoch   : 1
  Version : 3.0.19
  Release : 0.7.fc39
  Architecture: x86_64
  Install Date: Tue 22 Aug 2023 11:56:54 BST
  Group   : Unspecified
  Size: 4639016
  License : GPLv2+
  Signature   : RSA/SHA256, Thu 10 Aug 2023 10:39:41 BST, Key ID 
e06f8ecdd651ff2e
  Source RPM  : vlc-3.0.19-0.7.fc39.src.rpm
  Build Date  : Sun 06 Aug 2023 16:42:50 BST
  Build Host  : buildvm-07.virt.rpmfusion.net
  Packager: RPM Fusion
  Vendor  : RPM Fusion
  URL : https://www.videolan.org
  Summary : The cross-platform open-source multimedia framework, player and 
server
  Description :
  VLC media player is a highly portable multimedia player and multimedia 
framework
  capable of reading most audio and video formats as well as DVDs, Audio CDs 
VCDs,
  and various streaming protocols.
  It can also be used as a media converter or a server to stream in uni-cast or
  multi-cast in IPv4 or IPv6 on networks.

with a version from Fedora updates:

  Name : vlc
  Epoch: 1
  Version  : 3.0.20
  Release  : 4.fc38
  Architecture : x86_64
  Size : 189 k
  Source   : vlc-3.0.20-4.fc38.src.rpm
  Repository   : updates
  Summary  : The cross-platform open-source multimedia framework, player and
   : server
  URL  : https://www.videolan.org
  License  : GPL-2.0-or-later AND LGPL-2.1-or-later AND BSD-2-Clause AND
   : BSD-3-Clause
  Description  : VLC media player is a highly portable multimedia player and
   : multimedia framework capable of reading most audio and video
   : formats as well as DVDs, Audio CDs VCDs, and various streaming
   : protocols. It can also be used as a media converter or a server
   : to stream in uni-cast or multi-cast in IPv4 or IPv6 on 
networks.

(Actually the upgrade was a bit more complicated, replacing vlc-core
with vlc-cli and adding a bunch of plugins.)

Is there some advantage here?  I don't want to lose the ability to
playback weird / proprietary stuff, which is (I assume) why I needed
to use vlc from rpmfusion.

Also is there a web page that discusses this stuff?  Google search is
so full of "install vlc for fedora" spam sites that it's really hard
to find anything relevant.

Rich.

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Re: might be off topic -- using digitalocean to test

[Richard Ibbotson]

Hi

https://docs.digitalocean.com/support/how-do-i-clone-or-make-a-copy-of-a-droplet/

Might or might not help.  Works for me.

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Re: btrfs Backups

[Richard England]

On 12/8/23 12:12, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 12/08/2023 12:51 PM, Tim Evans wrote:


Thanks, Roger.  Actually, I have a dim recollection of having set up 
a thing called 'rnsapshot' to a NAS appliance for a client some years 
ago.   Nothing to do with btrfs filesystems, but IIRC this should be 
just what I need.  Thanks for refreshing my memory.


For many years, I've been using BackInTime (a front end for rsync) to 
back up my desktop to a flash drive that I've formatted to ext4.  The 
reason for the formatting is that if a file hasn't changed since the 
last backup, it's represented by a link, which is something VFAT can't 
do, but can save lots of space if you have some files that rarely 
change.  In fact, you can sometimes end up with a drive with more data 
stored on it (If you take the numbers given by the drive's Properties 
as gospel.) than the drive's known capacity.

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I can confirm Tim Evans comment.  I've been using BackInTime on a BTRFS 
system and I have seen no issues with it after over a year of use.


Fedora 39 with a USB attached backup disk.

~~R
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Re: btrfs Backups

[Richard England]

On 12/8/23 12:25, Richard England wrote:

On 12/8/23 12:12, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 12/08/2023 12:51 PM, Tim Evans wrote:


Thanks, Roger.  Actually, I have a dim recollection of having set up 
a thing called 'rnsapshot' to a NAS appliance for a client some 
years ago.   Nothing to do with btrfs filesystems, but IIRC this 
should be just what I need.  Thanks for refreshing my memory.


For many years, I've been using BackInTime (a front end for rsync) to 
back up my desktop to a flash drive that I've formatted to ext4.  The 
reason for the formatting is that if a file hasn't changed since the 
last backup, it's represented by a link, which is something VFAT 
can't do, but can save lots of space if you have some files that 
rarely change.  In fact, you can sometimes end up with a drive with 
more data stored on it (If you take the numbers given by the drive's 
Properties as gospel.) than the drive's known capacity.

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I can confirm Tim Evans comment.  I've been using BackInTime on a 
BTRFS system and I have seen no issues with it after over a year of use.


Fedora 39 with a USB attached backup disk.

~~R


Apologies, I responded to Joe Zeff's comment

!!R
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Re: Upgrade KDE Wayland Spin 38->39 KDE Background Screen Issue

[richard emberson]

Yesterday morning when I logged in from the sleep-mode KDE screen (no 
shutdown/restart KDE involved), the
KDE/Plasma background displayed correctly as well as the toolbar. This morning 
everything is displaying
correctly also.
I did nothing to fix thisso, there is still something funky down in the 
graphic display code but
it now takes a path that displays correctly.

On 12/1/23 06:05, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Fri, 2023-12-01 at 05:43 -0800, richard emberson wrote:

Where do I find "the Fedora KDE list"?


k...@lists.fedoraproject.org

but I see you found it.

poc
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Re: Upgrade KDE Wayland Spin 38->39 KDE Background Screen Issue

[richard emberson]

Where do I find "the Fedora KDE list"?

On 12/1/23 03:56, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Thu, 2023-11-30 at 15:16 -0800, richard emberson wrote:

Upgrade KDE Wayland Spin 38->39 KDE Background Screen Issue

KDE Screen Issue (or Plasma issue, or...)

1) Login screen comes up and can login.
2)  KDE screen mix of colors and black... moving mouse and screen
continues
    to redraw random colors (but, mostly black).
3) Bottom panel (in hide mode) comes up and looks normal. Top ToolBar
    is drawing like the screen (not normal) but I can tell its being
drawn
    ontop of the screen background (different colors/black).
5) Firefox comes up rendering like normal.
6) Thunderbird asks for password and it comes up drawing like normal.
7) Using Mouse Right Button, menu come up (look normal) and can
8 "Open Terminal". Kconsole comes up like normal.
9) From Kconsole can launch alacritty multiple times all normal.
10) Background and ToolBar still not rendering correctly.
11) Can move mouse over ToolBar and popups appear. Can also click and
    launch/hide terminals, firefox, thunderbird when mouse if over
their
    position in ToolBar.
12) I can render a jpeg photo in eog and it comes up just fine.

With Fedora 38 KDE Spin I did not have this issue with the background
or ToolBar.
So, has anyone seen this behavior?
Where do I start?



I'd suggest asking on the Fedora KDE list.

poc
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Upgrade KDE Wayland Spin 38->39 KDE Background Screen Issue

[richard emberson]

Upgrade KDE Wayland Spin 38->39 KDE Background Screen Issue

KDE Screen Issue (or Plasma issue, or...)

1) Login screen comes up and can login.
2)  KDE screen mix of colors and black... moving mouse and screen continues
  to redraw random colors (but, mostly black).
3) Bottom panel (in hide mode) comes up and looks normal. Top ToolBar
  is drawing like the screen (not normal) but I can tell its being drawn
  ontop of the screen background (different colors/black).
5) Firefox comes up rendering like normal.
6) Thunderbird asks for password and it comes up drawing like normal.
7) Using Mouse Right Button, menu come up (look normal) and can
8 "Open Terminal". Kconsole comes up like normal.
9) From Kconsole can launch alacritty multiple times all normal.
10) Background and ToolBar still not rendering correctly.
11) Can move mouse over ToolBar and popups appear. Can also click and
  launch/hide terminals, firefox, thunderbird when mouse if over their
  position in ToolBar.
12) I can render a jpeg photo in eog and it comes up just fine.

With Fedora 38 KDE Spin I did not have this issue with the background
or ToolBar.
So, has anyone seen this behavior?
Where do I start?

Thanks.
Richard
Notes:

dmesg
First mention of nouveau (same as in /var/log/messages):
[4.179073] nouveau :01:00.0: vgaarb: deactivate vga console
[4.180078] Console: switching to colour dummy device 80x25
[4.180114] nouveau :01:00.0: NVIDIA GT218 (0a8280b1)
[4.299581] nouveau :01:00.0: bios: version 70.18.6f.00.05
[4.300463] nouveau :01:00.0: fb: 1024 MiB DDR3
[4.976871] nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: VRAM: 1024 MiB
[4.976880] nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: GART: 1048576 MiB
[4.976883] nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: TMDS table version 2.0
[4.976885] nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: DCB version 4.0
[4.976887] nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: DCB outp 00: 01000302 00020030
XX
Near bottom of dmesg:

[   31.161539] ixgbe :02:00.0 enp2s0: NIC Link is Up 10 Gbps, Flow Control: 
RX/TX
[   45.207388] nouveau :01:00.0: fifo: DMA_PUSHER - ch 4 
[sddm-greeter[1097]] get 21f5e8 put 220df4 ib_get 0015 ib_put 
0016 state 8000 (err: INVALID_CMD) push 00400040
[  256.400353] systemd-journald[538]: File 
/var/log/journal/582cf700f5764fe09e7f2b1840341c3b/user-1000.journal corrupted 
or uncleanly shut down, renaming and replacing.
[  300.729194] nouveau :01:00.0: fifo: DMA_PUSHER - ch 9 
[plasmashell[1612]] get 621000 put 621088 ib_get 0015 ib_put 
0016 state 8024 (err: INVALID_CMD) push 00400040
[  301.168768] nouveau :01:00.0: fifo: DMA_PUSHER - ch 9 
[plasmashell[1612]] get 621088 put 622944 ib_get 0017 ib_put 
0018 state 8024 (err: INVALID_CMD) push 00400040

[  301.678444] nouveau :01:00.0: gr: DATA_ERROR 000c [INVALID_BITFIELD]
[  301.678448] nouveau :01:00.0: gr: 0010 [] ch 9 [003f208000 
plasmashell[1612]] subc 3 class 8597 mthd 1dc0 data 03816308
[  301.678460] nouveau :01:00.0: gr: DATA_ERROR 000c [INVALID_BITFIELD]
[  301.678463] nouveau :01:00.0: gr: 0010 [] ch 9 [003f208000 
plasmashell[1612]] subc 3 class 8597 mthd 1dc4 data 187c7dc0
[  301.678479] nouveau :01:00.0: gr: DATA_ERROR 000c [INVALID_BITFIELD]
.
[  301.678537] nouveau :01:00.0: gr: DATA_ERROR 0005 [INVALID_ENUM]
[  301.678541] nouveau :01:00.0: gr: 0010 [] ch 9 [003f208000 
plasmashell[1612]] subc 3 class 8597 mthd 1e00 data 00040060
[  301.678554] nouveau :01:00.0: gr: DATA_ERROR 0005 [INVALID_ENUM]
[  301.678557] nouveau :01:00.0: gr: 0010 [] ch 9 [003f208000 
plasmashell[1612]] subc 3 class 8597 mthd 1e04 data beef0201
[  301.678568] nouveau :01:00.0: gr: DATA_ERROR 0005 [INVALID_ENUM]
[  301.678571] nouveau :01:00.0: gr: 0010 [] ch 9 [003f208000 
plasmashell[1612]] subc 3 class 8597 mthd 1e08 data 00140010

[  362.200940] nouveau :01:00.0: fifo: CACHE_ERROR - ch 9 
[plasmashell[1612]] subc 3 mthd  data 0030
[  362.211967] nouveau :01:00.0: gr: TRAP_MP_EXEC - TP 0 MP 0: 0010 
[INVALID_OPCODE] at 00 warp 0, opcode ff9b8456 ff9b8456
[  362.211976] nouveau :01:00.0: gr: TRAP_MP_EXEC - TP 0 MP 1: 0010 
[INVALID_OPCODE] at 00 warp 0, opcode ff9b8456 ff9b8456

[  362.319066] nouveau :01:00.0: gr: 0020 [] ch 9 [003f208000 
plasmashell[1612]] subc 3 class 8597 mthd 15e0 data 
[  362.323151] nouveau :01:00.0: gr: TRAP_CCACHE 0001 [FAULT]
[  362.323158] nouveau :01:00.0: gr: TRAP_CCACHE 000e0080   
  0004 
[  362.323161] nouveau :01:00.0: gr: 0020 [] ch 9 [003f208000 
plasmashell[1612]] subc 3 class 8597 mthd 15e0 data 
[  362.323171] nouveau :01:00.0: fb: trapped read at 00 on channel 
9 [3f208000 plasmashell[1612]] engine 00 [PGRAPH] client 05 [CCAC

Re: netcdf

[Richard]

> Date: Thursday, November 16, 2023 12:44:31 -0800
> From: Samuel Sieb 
>
> On 11/16/23 03:02, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
>>
>> Fedora 39
>> netcdf-4.9.0-5.fc38.x86_64   (Note the "38")
>> 
>> What is "netcdf" and why would I need it in fc39?
> 
> It's a data storage format (usually numeric data).
> Apparently, it didn't get rebuilt yet for F39.


You can use the dnf "info" command:
   
dnf info netcdf

to get a description of a package.

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Re: firefox keeps freezing on me

[richard emberson]

I had firefox continually freezing (Xorg) taking the gui with it.
I then aliased firefox to:
cpulimit -i -l 200 /usr/bin/firefox "$@"
and it stopped taking the rest of the gui with it.
Recently I (had to) switched to Wayland and firefox (with the alias) has
only crashed 3 or 4 times but it has not taken the rest of the gui with it.

On 11/2/23 01:36, Tim via users wrote:

On Wed, 2023-11-01 at 21:24 -0600, Joe Zeff wrote:

Firefox can be quite a memory hog, depending on what you're doing.  What
does

free -h

show you, as well as

df


There's an about:memory page in Firefox, an about:performance, an
about:processes and a bunch of other info listed if you type
about:about into its address bar.


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Re: Keyboard repeat

[Richard England]

On 10/19/23 07:15, stan via users wrote:

On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 14:53:52 +0200
GianPiero Puccioni  wrote:


Hi,

I have a problem with the keyboard, once in while the key I press
start repeating even after a short press and doesn't stop until I
press another key.

I had to disable the key repeat (not optimal) as it was disrupting my
work. This is going on for months, I waited for several updates to
see if thing got better but to no avail.

My setup is a Laptop Dell G15 F38 with KDE(both X11 and Wayland).
Is there something I can try to fix this?

This sounds like this could be a hardware error to me; the laptop is not
sending the keypress release to the driver.  It could also be that the
driver is not catching the release signal.  Is there anything about the
keypress when this happens that is unique?  Is it a very light tap,
such that it would release very quickly, perhaps causing a failure of
the driver to catch the release?  Or really hard?

I remember that there is an application that when it runs it shows
the key press and key release events, but I can't remember the name of
it. Perhaps someone else knows it.  If you can run that, you can then
try to replicate the error, and see if occasionally a release is missed.
And if it is the way the key is pressed causing the problem.
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I believe the utility called "xev" is one of the tools that reports the 
key press events. It is available for installation in the repos.



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Re: Fedora 38 wayland login user NO, root Yes SOLVED

[richard emberson]

Well, "we have met the enemy and he is us".

I very regularly use rsync to backup my home directory to a different machine.
So, after installing from KDE Live, logging in from a remote machine,
I restored my home directory with the saved backup. This created/over-wrote
  .local
  .config
  .cache
  .gtkrc-2.0
  .gtkrc-2.0-kde4
  .mozilla
This removed all the wayland stuff and other files that were placed there
during the useradd/gui_login_attempt.

Lesson 1, if you need to restore a backup, be careful about restoring
certain directories ... especially if you did an install/upgrade after the
taking of the backup.

So, I got errors from who knows where and could not login from the
login screen but could ssh into the machine.
Now, having deleted the above directories and then doing an initial
gui login, I succeeded.

Richard


On 10/6/23 08:45, Barry wrote:




On 6 Oct 2023, at 15:57, richard emberson  wrote:

Back in 10/04/2023 I got "Pri Master Hard Disk SMART status BAD"
# smartctl -a /dev/sda | more
  Western Digital VelociRaptor
  WDC WD3000GLFS-01F8U0
  SATA 2.5 3.0 Gb/s
  1 rpm
  ...
  health test result: FAILED!
  failure less than 24 hours SAVE ALL DATA
  ...
  Vendor Specific SMART Attributes..
  ID NAME ...  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VLAUE
  ...
  5 Reallocated_Secor_Ct FAILING NOW 548

So, I got a new hard disk and installed from KDE Live.
(
Fedora XFCE Live 38 could not be installed.
Lots of: Timed out for waiting the udev queue being empty
)
I then "dnf update"
This is my first attempt at using Wayland ... always
been an X.org guy.

Installed xterm, started xterm, system crashed.

Now, I get the login GUI screen, but I can not login
as a user; the screen goes blank and then returns to the
login screen.
But, I can login as 'root' (Super User).
Also, I can ssh in as the user and from root login in a terminal
I can su to the user.
Running lspci I see:
  VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT218 [GeForce 210] (rev a2)

Any help would be appreciated


I would expect there to be logs in the journal with a clue why the user cannot 
log in.

Barry


Richard
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Fedora 38 wayland login user NO, root Yes

[richard emberson]

Back in 10/04/2023 I got "Pri Master Hard Disk SMART status BAD"
# smartctl -a /dev/sda | more
  Western Digital VelociRaptor
  WDC WD3000GLFS-01F8U0
  SATA 2.5 3.0 Gb/s
  1 rpm
  ...
  health test result: FAILED!
  failure less than 24 hours SAVE ALL DATA
  ...
  Vendor Specific SMART Attributes..
  ID NAME ...  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VLAUE
  ...
  5 Reallocated_Secor_Ct FAILING NOW 548

So, I got a new hard disk and installed from KDE Live.
(
 Fedora XFCE Live 38 could not be installed.
 Lots of: Timed out for waiting the udev queue being empty
)
I then "dnf update"
This is my first attempt at using Wayland ... always
been an X.org guy.

Installed xterm, started xterm, system crashed.

Now, I get the login GUI screen, but I can not login
as a user; the screen goes blank and then returns to the
login screen.
But, I can login as 'root' (Super User).
Also, I can ssh in as the user and from root login in a terminal
I can su to the user.
Running lspci I see:
  VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT218 [GeForce 210] (rev a2)

Any help would be appreciated
Richard
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Re: unwanted login

[Richard]

> Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2023 15:36:54 +
> From: Beartooth 
>
>> On Mon, 2023-08-28 at 19:09 +, Beartooth wrote:
>>> One of my F38 machines has taken to demanding that I login over
>>> and over. I want not to have to login at all. (I'm the sole user,
>>> and at home.) Fwiw, I'm running xscreensaver under Mate. Where
>>> and how do I reconfigure?
> 
>   I'm actually getting logged out; I have to give my username (id 
> est, confirm the default) and type my password every time.
> 
> 
>   My practice after installing every new release has been to tell 
> dnf first to remove mate-screensaver and then to install
> xscreensaver. The  latter is still working fine on the other two
> machines in front of me.
> 
>   I've just reversed that: told dnf to install mate-screensaver and 
> remove xscreensaver. I found out immediately that the former
> doesn't let  me manage my screen in any of the ways I want. 
> 
>   Would it help to reboot? Could there be a problem with my KVM 
> switch??

Your initial message seemed to imply that you thought this was
related to Mate, hence my screensaver config reply.

Given your additional information, this may be related to:

  Automatically Logout Inactive Users From Linux System
  

  Why Unix automatically logs you out
  


To deal with this I have (as shown in the second reference) a "set
autologout=off" line in my .cshrc.

Not certain why this behavior would have changed for you - unless you
are logging in differently or your shell startup script changed.


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Re: unwanted login

[Richard]

> Date: Monday, August 28, 2023 19:09:43 +
> From: Beartooth 
> 
>   One of my F38 machines has taken to demanding that I login over 
> and over. I want not to have to login at all. (I'm the sole user,
> and at  home.) Fwiw, I'm running xscreensaver under Mate. Where and
> how do I  reconfigure?

On the screensaver configuration screen (under the
"system/preferences/look and feel/screensaver" pulldown) there's a
"lock screen when screensaver active" checkbox. I suspect that if you
uncheck that you'll get the action you desire.

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Re: Upgraded machine to Fedora 38 and now suspending after 15 minues??

[Richard Shaw]

On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 9:01 AM Michael D. Setzer II via users <
users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> > This wasn't just some developer's idea... IIRC the request for this
> > change came from someone who sells systems with Linux pre-installed
> > (Lenovo?), because this is a requirement for meeting power
> > certifications needed for desktop/notebook systems.
> >
>
> Question? If that is so, why couldn't they modify their Linux
> pre-installed setup to have it set, rather than forcing everyone else
> to have to have it as default?
>
> Since I did a dnf upgrade it didn't present any option saying it was
> going to do this, or prompting for the option. Don't know if a clean
> install would have presented any option..
>
> Wonder how many people are going to be reporting machines as
> broken since they keep shutting down because of thie FEATURE...
>

In my case my computer becomes completely unresponsive. Neither pressing
reset, or holding down the power button have any effect forcing me to use
the power supply switch. Not a very good end user experience.

Thanks,
Richard
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Need help sending message

[richard emberson]

Repeated tries at sending a message...
I had a "dnf update" interrupted.
Sent original help message on 08/02/2023.
I've managed to fix my system.
Would like to share what I had to do.
I appears the interruption occurred while removing the oldest kernel (only
partially removed leading to lots of conflicts and duplicate packages).
Thanks.
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Re: Texts to cell phones

[Richard England]

Let me clarify. It works from a browser. I usually use Brave for this 
and it works fine.


~~R

On 7/31/23 19:41, Richard England wrote:
If you are not averse to a Google tools there is "Messages for Web" 
which runs from your web page.


https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d=messages+for+web

~~R

On 7/31/23 15:16, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

Fedora 38

Is there a utility to send/receive texts to/from
cell phones including graphics?

I have been using Thunderbird, but the cell phone
companies mess with it and most do not go through.

I noticed that Windows 11 has an application for that.

-T


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Re: Texts to cell phones

[Richard England]

If you are not averse to a Google tools there is "Messages for Web" 
which runs from your web page.


https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d=messages+for+web

~~R

On 7/31/23 15:16, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

Fedora 38

Is there a utility to send/receive texts to/from
cell phones including graphics?

I have been using Thunderbird, but the cell phone
companies mess with it and most do not go through.

I noticed that Windows 11 has an application for that.

-T


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Re: Help: Interrupted dnf update, second update fails with duplicate packages

[richard emberson]

Running "dnf update --allowerasing results in:

Running transaction check
Transaction check succeeded.
Running transaction test
The downloaded packages were saved in cache until the next successful 
transaction.
You can remove cached packages by executing 'dnf clean packages'.
Error: Transaction test error:
  file /usr/share/doc/glib2/NEWS from install of glib2-2.76.4-3.fc38.i686 
conflicts with file from package glib2-2.76.3-1.fc38.x86_64
  file /usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/glib20.mo from install of 
glib2-2.76.4-3.fc38.i686 conflicts with file from package 
glib2-2.76.3-1.fc38.x86_64
  ... same 160 lines of "... conflicts with file from package ..."

The redhat https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1091702
does not seem to provide enough information for solution plan;
I'd really don't want to have to do a complete re-install;
while I back a lot of stuff up on other machines, doing a
new installation from a CD is my last resort.


On 7/31/23 15:41, Richard Shaw wrote:

On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 5:12 PM richard emberson mailto:emberson.r...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I had a "dnf update" interrupted.

Running "dnf clean all" and then "dnf update" again results in:

Running transaction check
Transaction check succeeded.
Running transaction test
The downloaded packages were saved in cache until the next successful 
transaction.
You can remove cached packages by executing 'dnf clean packages'.
Error: Transaction test error:
    file /usr/share/doc/glib2/NEWS from install of glib2-2.76.4-3.fc38.i686 
conflicts with file from package glib2-2.76.3-1.fc38.x86_64
    file /usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/glib20.mo from install of 
glib2-2.76.4-3.fc38.i686 conflicts with file from package 
glib2-2.76.3-1.fc38.x86_64
    file /usr/share/locale/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/glib20.mo from install of 
glib2-2.76.4-3.fc38.i686 conflicts with file from package 
glib2-2.76.3-1.fc38.x86_64
    ... 160 lines of "... conflicts with file from package ..."

Running "dnf check" gives:
NetworkManager-1:1.42.6-1.fc38.x86_64 is a duplicate with 
NetworkManager-1:1.42.8-1.fc38.x86_64
...
systemd-253.5-1.fc38.x86_64 is a duplicate with systemd-253.7-1.fc38.x86_64
...
systemd-udev-253.5-1.fc38.x86_64 is a duplicate with 
systemd-udev-253.7-1.fc38.x86_64
...
xxhash-libs-0.8.1-4.fc38.x86_64 is a duplicate with 
xxhash-libs-0.8.2-1.fc38.x86_64
Error: Check discovered 430 problem(s)


What is the problem (aside from the fact that I interrupted the update) and
How can I recover?


An equivalent for yum-complete-transaction was requested but never implemented.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1091702 
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1091702>

There's probably a way to use `dnf repoquery` based commands to list the 
problem packages and them remove them.

Have you tried doing an update with --allowerasing?

Thanks,
Richard

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Re: Help: Interrupted dnf update, second update fails with duplicate packages

[Richard Shaw]

On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 5:12 PM richard emberson 
wrote:

> I had a "dnf update" interrupted.
>
> Running "dnf clean all" and then "dnf update" again results in:
>
> Running transaction check
> Transaction check succeeded.
> Running transaction test
> The downloaded packages were saved in cache until the next successful
> transaction.
> You can remove cached packages by executing 'dnf clean packages'.
> Error: Transaction test error:
>file /usr/share/doc/glib2/NEWS from install of glib2-2.76.4-3.fc38.i686
> conflicts with file from package glib2-2.76.3-1.fc38.x86_64
>file /usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/glib20.mo from install of
> glib2-2.76.4-3.fc38.i686 conflicts with file from package
> glib2-2.76.3-1.fc38.x86_64
>file /usr/share/locale/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/glib20.mo from install of
> glib2-2.76.4-3.fc38.i686 conflicts with file from package
> glib2-2.76.3-1.fc38.x86_64
>... 160 lines of "... conflicts with file from package ..."
>
> Running "dnf check" gives:
> NetworkManager-1:1.42.6-1.fc38.x86_64 is a duplicate with
> NetworkManager-1:1.42.8-1.fc38.x86_64
> ...
> systemd-253.5-1.fc38.x86_64 is a duplicate with systemd-253.7-1.fc38.x86_64
> ...
> systemd-udev-253.5-1.fc38.x86_64 is a duplicate with
> systemd-udev-253.7-1.fc38.x86_64
> ...
> xxhash-libs-0.8.1-4.fc38.x86_64 is a duplicate with
> xxhash-libs-0.8.2-1.fc38.x86_64
> Error: Check discovered 430 problem(s)
>
>
> What is the problem (aside from the fact that I interrupted the update) and
> How can I recover?
>

An equivalent for yum-complete-transaction was requested but never
implemented.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1091702

There's probably a way to use `dnf repoquery` based commands to list the
problem packages and them remove them.

Have you tried doing an update with --allowerasing?

Thanks,
Richard
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Help: Interrupted dnf update, second update fails with duplicate packages

[richard emberson]

I had a "dnf update" interrupted.

Running "dnf clean all" and then "dnf update" again results in:

Running transaction check
Transaction check succeeded.
Running transaction test
The downloaded packages were saved in cache until the next successful 
transaction.
You can remove cached packages by executing 'dnf clean packages'.
Error: Transaction test error:
  file /usr/share/doc/glib2/NEWS from install of glib2-2.76.4-3.fc38.i686 
conflicts with file from package glib2-2.76.3-1.fc38.x86_64
  file /usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/glib20.mo from install of 
glib2-2.76.4-3.fc38.i686 conflicts with file from package 
glib2-2.76.3-1.fc38.x86_64
  file /usr/share/locale/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/glib20.mo from install of 
glib2-2.76.4-3.fc38.i686 conflicts with file from package 
glib2-2.76.3-1.fc38.x86_64
  ... 160 lines of "... conflicts with file from package ..."

Running "dnf check" gives:
NetworkManager-1:1.42.6-1.fc38.x86_64 is a duplicate with 
NetworkManager-1:1.42.8-1.fc38.x86_64
...
systemd-253.5-1.fc38.x86_64 is a duplicate with systemd-253.7-1.fc38.x86_64
...
systemd-udev-253.5-1.fc38.x86_64 is a duplicate with 
systemd-udev-253.7-1.fc38.x86_64
...
xxhash-libs-0.8.1-4.fc38.x86_64 is a duplicate with 
xxhash-libs-0.8.2-1.fc38.x86_64
Error: Check discovered 430 problem(s)


What is the problem (aside from the fact that I interrupted the update) and
How can I recover?

Thanks.
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Re: crond

[Richard]

> Date: Friday, July 28, 2023 12:12:04 +0200
> From: Patrick Dupre 
>
> Sorry, I am wrong.
> crond is OK,
> but sendmail is wrong.
> 
>  Subject: Unit failed
> ░░ Defined-By: systemd
> ░░ Support:
> https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel ░░ 
> ░░ The unit sendmail.service has entered the 'failed' state
> with result 'timeout'. Jul 28 12:08:42 homere systemd[1]: Failed to
> start sendmail.service - Sendmail Mail Transport Agent. ░░
> Subject: A start job for unit sendmail.service has failed ░░
> Defined-By: systemd
> ░░ Support:
> https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel ░░ 
> ░░ A start job for unit sendmail.service has finished with a
> failure. ░░ 
> ░░ The job identifier is 19979 and the job result is failed.
> 
> 
> systemctl status sendmail
> × sendmail.service - Sendmail Mail Transport Agent
>  Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/sendmail.service;
> enabled; preset: disabled) Drop-In:
> /usr/lib/systemd/system/service.d
>  └─10-timeout-abort.conf
>  Active: failed (Result: timeout) since Fri 2023-07-28 12:08:42
> CEST; 2min 45s ago Process: 76753 ExecStartPre=/etc/mail/make
> (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Process: 76754
> ExecStartPre=/etc/mail/make aliases (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
> Process: 76758 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/sendmail -bd $SENDMAIL_OPTS
> $SENDMAIL_OPTARG (code=killed, signal=TERM) CPU: 10ms
> 
> Jul 28 12:07:57 homere systemd[1]: Starting sendmail.service -
> Sendmail Mail Transport Agent... Jul 28 12:07:57 homere
> sendmail[76758]: My unqualified host name (homere) unknown;
> sleeping for retry Jul 28 12:08:42 homere systemd[1]:
> sendmail.service: start operation timed out. Terminating. Jul 28
> 12:08:42 homere systemd[1]: sendmail.service: Failed with result
> 'timeout'. Jul 28 12:08:42 homere systemd[1]: Failed to start
> sendmail.service - Sendmail Mail Transport Agent.
> 
>> 

Sendmail wants a system name that resolves, not just a hostname that
doesn't. Ideally this would be a FQDN. If you are only sending this
mail to your local systems you could potentially deal with this by
putting the hostname in the local machine's /etc/hosts file and then
adjusting things so that your target system will accept mail from
names that don't resolve.

Jul 28 12:07:57 homere sendmail[76758]: My unqualified host name
(homere) unknown; sleeping for retry
Jul 28 12:08:42 homere systemd[1]: sendmail.service: start operation
timed out. Terminating.
Jul 28 12:08:42 homere systemd[1]: sendmail.service: Failed with
result 'timeout'.

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Re: wordpress problem

[Richard]

> Date: Saturday, July 22, 2023 10:43:57 -0400
> From: Bill Cunningham 
>
>> On 7/21/2023 11:10 PM, Tim via users wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 2023-07-21 at 16:05 -0400, Bill Cunningham wrote:
>>>
>>> but I warn you up to this point I always disable selinux. Not just
>>> because idk what it is exactly, but it always starts running and I
>>> have never really needed security. I guess that can change.
>> Well, if you're running servers, especially one like WordPress
>> with so many security flaws, and also plagued with bad advice
>> about setting things up on it on the internet, the usefulness of
>> using SELinux is magnified.
>> 
>> But you haven't told us if you're making this world accessible, or
>> you're just trying it out on your LAN.
>> 
>
> Basically trying it out. I am not anytime soon going to use it on
> the internet.
> 

Even when just "trying it out" one should do it with full security
applied at all levels -- network/system/application. Adding security
back in at the end generally results in something that's not well
considered or integrated. This approach often leaves security holes
or making security compromises because something that "worked", in an
insecure environment, doesn't when appropriate security is applied.
Also, *never* turn off security contexts/options just because you
don't understand them, figure them out instead. Lowering security
will invariably come back to haunt.

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Re: sleeping machine?

[Richard Shaw]

On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 7:04 AM Grumpey  wrote:

>
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 8:01 AM Richard Shaw  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 5:35 AM Barry  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> > On 21 Jul 2023, at 09:06, Patrick Dupre  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hello,
>>> >
>>> > Since I update from fedora36 to 38, I am in trouble to connect to my
>>> > machine by using dwagent.
>>> > One reason could be that when I am not logged on the machine, it falls
>>> to
>>> > sleep, and it does not accept to serve dwagent.
>>> > 1) Is it possible?
>>> > 2) It is possible, how can I keep the service (dwagent) really alive
>>>
>>> In f38 gnome defaults to going to sleep when idle. Is that the problem?
>>> You should be able to change the power management settings to avoid that
>>> happening.
>>
>>
>> Strange issue I recently had after upgrading to F38. If I reboot my
>> computer and do not log in it seems to get locked up in a strange sleep
>> state.
>>
>> Holding the power button does nothing. Pressing reset does nothing. I
>> have to turn off the power supply to restart the computer.
>>
>> If I log in, everything is fine as I have automatic suspend disabled, but
>> this doesn't appear to be "system wide" somehow.
>>
> You may want to have a look at,
> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/gnome-suspends-after-15-minutes-of-user-inactivity-even-on-ac-power/79801
>
> Thanks! That was very helpful.

Richard
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Re: sleeping machine?

[Richard Shaw]

On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 5:35 AM Barry  wrote:

>
> > On 21 Jul 2023, at 09:06, Patrick Dupre  wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Since I update from fedora36 to 38, I am in trouble to connect to my
> > machine by using dwagent.
> > One reason could be that when I am not logged on the machine, it falls to
> > sleep, and it does not accept to serve dwagent.
> > 1) Is it possible?
> > 2) It is possible, how can I keep the service (dwagent) really alive
>
> In f38 gnome defaults to going to sleep when idle. Is that the problem?
> You should be able to change the power management settings to avoid that
> happening.


Strange issue I recently had after upgrading to F38. If I reboot my
computer and do not log in it seems to get locked up in a strange sleep
state.

Holding the power button does nothing. Pressing reset does nothing. I have
to turn off the power supply to restart the computer.

If I log in, everything is fine as I have automatic suspend disabled, but
this doesn't appear to be "system wide" somehow.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: wordpress problem

[Richard]

> Date: Wednesday, July 19, 2023 19:57:43 -0400
> From: Bill Cunningham 
>
>  I will look into that but one of the first things I do after
> install is install Xfce4 and firefox. And then httpd. I would like
> to get the server just as I want it and create an image to upload
> to GCP, that's my ultimate goal. I will continue to study this
> though.


One does not normally install a graphical desktop environment (and so
also gui applications like firefox) on a server. In part this is
because they shouldn't be needed, but also because they have the
potential of creating greater security issues on what should be a
rather locked down machine given what it's main function is.
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Re: What is the email address of the list admin

[Richard]

> Date: Sunday, July 16, 2023 15:06:21 -0400
> From: Jeffrey Walton 
>
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I'm getting bounces during mailing list replies. I'm trying to
> contact the list admin and alert them of the problem. There is no
> admin listed at https://lists.fedoraproject.org or
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedorapro
> ject.org/.
> 
> What is the email address of the list admin?
> 

With hyperkitty it's a bit harder to find than with mailman but, go
to the list archive link (which you have above):



and then select the "manage subscription" button (~upper left). On
the resulting page you should see a line about how to contact the
list owner. 

fwiw - I'm not seeing bounces when I reply to list posts (but I never
include other than the list address).
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Re: wordpress problem

[Richard]

> Date: Saturday, July 15, 2023 15:27:29 -0400
> From: Bill Cunningham 
> 
> On 7/15/2023 3:17 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>> On 7/15/23 12:09, Bill Cunningham wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 7/14/2023 9:15 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
 On 7/14/23 12:59, Bill Cunningham wrote:
> I have the server edition installed and log into firefox and
> enter  https://localhost/wp-admin and I always get there's no
> such url.  https://localhost:9090 works fine for the server
> edition login.  What am I doing or not doing here? I installed
> one rpm called  wordpress and its' dependencies. There was also
> a wordpress plugin  that I did not install. Is anyone familiar
> with Server Edition  wordpress?
 
 It's very unlikely that just installing a package like that is
 going  to work right away.  You should probably look at these
 files:
 
 /etc/httpd/conf.d/wordpress.conf
 /etc/wordpress/wp-config.php
 /usr/share/doc/wordpress/README.fedora
 /usr/share/doc/wordpress/README.fedora-multiuser
 
>>> I will look at these. I might probably need a tutorial of some
>>> kind I  will have to look for. Port 9090 opens fine in the Xfce 4
>>> desktop I  have installed. Maybe wordpress uses a different port.
>> 
>> I don't see why you keep mentioning that as if it's relevant.
>> That's  the default cockpit install which doesn't use the system
>> web server  and is not at all related to what you're doing.
>> Wordpress is served by  the web server and so will be using the
>> default http(s) ports  depending on how the web server is
>> configured.
> 
> Perhaps PHP is not properly configured.
> 

I don't use wp (too much swiss cheese to be comfortable trying to
make it secure) but I don't believe that simply installing its bits
will cause apache to start up, so you may need to do that (including
enabling it to restart on (re)boot, once you have your sp instance
configured.

Once configured, you need to look at the apache server logging
(specifically the error_log) for your wp instance if/when you have
trouble reaching content. Browser errors and even the access_log are
of little use debugging things.

For checking what's behind open ports you should become familiar with
"netstat" -- the "-p" flag is specifically of use here.

But ... you really need to start with the documentation referenced
above to see what you need to do to configure your wp install.



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Re: wordpress problem

[Richard Ibbotson]

Hi

> I have the server edition installed and log into firefox and enter
> https://localhost/wp-admin and I always get there's no such url.

Try

https://localhost/wp-login.php  or..   http://localhost/wp-login.php

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Re: What causes mailing list bounce?

[Richard]

> Date: Monday, June 19, 2023 07:19:33 -0700
> From: stan via users 
>
> On Sat, 17 Jun 2023 10:49:48 -0400
> Robert McBroom via users  wrote:
> 
>> Received a strange message from the kde list.
>> 
>> -
>> 
>> Your membership in the mailing list kde-linux has been disabled
>> due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was
>> dated 09-Jun-2023.  You will not get any more messages from this
>> list until you re-enable your membership.  You will receive 2 more
>> reminders like this before your membership in the list is deleted.
>> 
>> _
>> As far as I can tell mail from all the other traffic on other lists
>> is coming through with no problems. I'm using Thunderbird with
>> Yahoo.com as my mail service.
> 
> I think bounces are when a destination rejects email for transit.
> Usually this is because of the rules they have implemented to filter
> spam.  I've read that Yahoo is notorious for this.  Maybe someone
> else can shed more light.  From the perspective of the kde list,
> this appears to be a mail address that has gone stale, and so they
> stop sending to it.

Another issue on this relates to DMARC. If the mailing list doesn't
rewrite the From: header and your mail service provider's servers
enforce DMARC (DKIM/SPF), your mail service provider's servers will
reject messages from list senders whose domains have DMARC set. You
can often get a hint of this if you see messages on a list with
replies to messages that you haven't gotten. E.g., you never see
messages from person X, but you do see replies to their messages on
the list or their messages are in the list archive.

Mailman 3 has the necessary tools for dealing with this, but it looks
like mail.kde.org is still running version 2. So my guess is that
they aren't doing header rewriting, and that that's likely your
issue. You'll need to take this up with them.

See:  for a very quick
intro to this issue.

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Re: avoid nouveau with kernel 6.3?

[Richard Shaw]

On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 8:23 AM Tom Horsley  wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Jun 2023 07:55:10 -0400
> Neal Becker wrote:
>
> > https://www.phoronix.com/news/Avoid-Nouveau-Linux-6.3
>
> I give nouveau a chance every time I install a new fedora, eventually
> (2 hours, 2 weeks, it varies) I get a video crash and frozen
> desktop, then I install the rpmfusion nvidia drivers.
>

Yeah the akmods MOSTLY worked fine. Sometimes I would have to rm -f the
package and let it rebuild for some reason and occasionally builds would
fail. Not a good end user experience especially if you're not that
technical.

I switched to AMD and for the most part it's just "worked".  Previously
with a RX580 and now with a RX 6550XT.

Other than the crazy graphics card prices, I have no regrets and have no
plans to switch back.

Thanks,
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Re: Any x86_64 Fedora Tablets out there?

[Richard Shaw]

On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 12:52 AM ToddAndMargo via users <
users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I ask this every so often.
>
> Anyone know of any x86_64 Fedora Tablets out there?
>

I have Fedora installed on a MS Surface GO 2 (now obsolete, the 3 is out)
but it "mostly works fine".

It runs faster than Windows 10 on the GO's limited CPU (usually Pentium
Gold or Core-my something or other 2 core processor).

The only thing I have to fidget with is I can't double-tap the title bar to
maximize the windows using the touchscreen. Probably something fixible with
Gnome Tweaks?

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: Try to reinstall both system fedora and windows 10 from both system broken on a new storage

[Richard England]

wordreference (https://www.wordreference.com/) is a translation 
application.  As Mr. Billings has pointed out, it is not doing him any 
favors.  But we may cut him some slack since he seems to think this list 
will provide him with better help...if the questions can be understood.


~~R

On 5/7/23 10:21, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 05/07/2023 10:49 AM, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
I have ever say for you all i use wordreference mostly who give more 
translatings than Google translator and bing translator so both give 
one or two translatings where wordreference give all translatings 
thus when i talk about the reach of the arrow it is a smart joke who 
explain that the arrow is smart as the AI who help a little finally i 
don't understand why i repeat to you whole again and i will keep the 
list english because there are more helped,


-1 Gibberish
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Re: problem downloading rpms with wifi

[Richard Shaw]

On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 8:43 PM Bill Cunningham 
wrote:

> On 4/30/2023 9:28 PM, Richard Shaw wrote:
>
> On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 7:49 PM Bill Cunningham 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Fedora 38 - x86_64 [=== ] ---  B/s |   0  B --:-- ETA
>> Fedora 38 - x86_64 0.0  B/s |   0  B 00:00
>> Errors during downloading metadata for repository 'fedora':
>>- Curl error (6): Couldn't resolve host name for
>> https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=fedora-38=x86_64
>> [Could not resolve host: mirrors.fedoraproject.org]
>> Error: Failed to download metadata for repo 'fedora': Cannot prepare
>> internal mirrorlist: Curl error (6): Couldn't resolve host name for
>> https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=fedora-38=x86_64
>> [Could not resolve host: mirrors.fedoraproject.org]
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>
> Maybe a DNS issue? Does web browsing work fine? Could try using google
> instead of your internet provider, forcing DNS to 8.8.8.8.
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
>
> I can't download lynx or links to try cli web browsing. When installed and
> using the GUI firefox seems to work ok. Is there a host file that I could
> input google's DNS servers? What is this resolv.conf?
>

Assuming you can get to settings (running Gnome?) then just turn off the
automatic settings for DNS and set it manually.

8.8.8.8
and
8.8.4.4

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Re: problem downloading rpms with wifi

[Richard Shaw]

On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 7:49 PM Bill Cunningham 
wrote:

>
> Fedora 38 - x86_64 [=== ] ---  B/s |   0  B --:-- ETA
> Fedora 38 - x86_64 0.0  B/s |   0  B 00:00
> Errors during downloading metadata for repository 'fedora':
>- Curl error (6): Couldn't resolve host name for
> https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=fedora-38=x86_64
> [Could not resolve host: mirrors.fedoraproject.org]
> Error: Failed to download metadata for repo 'fedora': Cannot prepare
> internal mirrorlist: Curl error (6): Couldn't resolve host name for
> https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=fedora-38=x86_64
> [Could not resolve host: mirrors.fedoraproject.org]
>
> Any suggestions?
>

Maybe a DNS issue? Does web browsing work fine? Could try using google
instead of your internet provider, forcing DNS to 8.8.8.8.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: My first f38 bug: uname doesn't work

[Richard England]

On 4/25/23 17:56, Todd Zullinger wrote:

Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 5:18 PM Todd Zullinger  wrote:

A non-upstream patch was removed¹, which had kept the
long-deprecated uname -i and -p options.

¹ https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/coreutils/c/cd953e1

uname (1) says -i and -p are valid options:

-p, --processor
   print the processor type (non-portable)

-i, --hardware-platform
   print the hardware platform (non-portable)

They are valid options, but there is no longer a Fedora
patch which made them report the same as `uname -m`.  They
now report 'unknown' which isn't terribly useful.

The solution is use `uname -m` (which has been the ideal
option to use for some time -- it's only now exposed to
Fedora users, who had been getting a downstream patch).

An alternative to that, if you have to change your scripts, is to use 
the "arch" command:


$ arch
x86_64

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Re: memtest86+ seems to do nothing.

[Richard Shaw]

On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 10:58 AM home user  wrote:

> Good morning,
>
> When booting up, I select the grub menu entry
> "Fedora Memtest memtest86+-5.31".
> The screen blanks, the cursor goes to the upper left corner of the
> display, and blinks.
> That's it.
> I waited about 10 minutes.  Cursor still blinking in the same place.
> Nothing else ever showed up.
> I rebooted.
>
> How do I get memtest86+ working properly?
>

Does your computer use UEFI to boot? If so, is the image you're using for
memtest86+ correct?

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: What is needed to mock build for rhel+epel on Fedora?

[Richard Shaw]

On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 12:00 PM Barry Scott  wrote:

> What do I need to setup to allow mock to build for rhel+epel on Fedora?
>
> I'm getting this error:
>
> $ mock -r rhel+epel-8-x86_64 --print-root
> ERROR: /etc/pki/entitlement is not a directory is subscription-manager
> installed?
>

Does it have to be RHEL? I've used Alma and Rocky with success.

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Richard
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Re: Manage Red Haat subscription using Cokpit (it was Docker containers and Cockpit)

[Richard Shaw]

On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 8:38 PM Sergio Belkin  wrote:

> Thanks Richard,
>
> I have a "Red Hat Developer Subscription for Individuals" I winder if I
> can manage my  subscription from Cockpit the only I find is for
> registering the system, but I get:
>
> Traceback (most recent call last): File
> "/usr/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/dbus/service.py", line 756, in
> _message_cb _method_reply_return(connection, message, method_name,
> signature, *retval) File
> "/usr/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/dbus/service.py", line 257, in
> _method_reply_return reply.append(signature=signature, *retval) TypeError:
> Expected a string or unicode object
>

Not sure about that one, I would make sure your system is fully updated and
if it persists, open a ticket.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: Docker containers and Cockpit

[Richard Shaw]

On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 4:51 PM Sergio Belkin  wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm wondering if Cockpit can handle Docker containers in Fedora 37. Can
> anyone confirm if this is possible or not, and if so, give me some tips on
> how to do it? I see a section for podman containers but not for docker ones.
> Thanks in advance!
>

Good timing! I've recently run across this at work, but on a RHEL 8.6
system, but that probably doesn't matter. I would just use podman, the
commands are mostly the same as docker, and it doesn't rely on a service
running.

If you start up a docker container with podman it will show up in cockpit.
The only thing you need to be careful of, is if you start it as a normal
user, it will be killed by systemd when you logout. To prevent this you can
run `loginctl enable-linger` to prevent this behavior.

https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/loginctl.html

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: MongoDB for fedora37?

[Richard Shaw]

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 9:37 AM Alex  wrote:

> Hi,
> I don't see mongodb in the default fedora37 repo. Anyone know where I
> might find a maintained package? I've been using the one from centos7, I
> believe, but it's dated and would like to find a more current version.
>

MongoDB changed their license such that it's no longer considered free. If
you have to have it, then your only real option is to use their RPMS

https://www.mongodb.com/docs/manual/tutorial/install-mongodb-on-red-hat/#install-mongodb-community-edition

They only build for EL but you can try installing on Fedora, as long as the
deps are met, it should work.

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Richard
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Re: software or hardware raid?

[Richard Shaw]

On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 2:25 PM Ranjan Maitra  wrote:

> Thanks to everybody. I recall discussion from several years ago on the
> benefits of software over hardware RAID. I had completely forgotten about
> UPS for this new machine. Btw, what happens if power goes out (and I do not
> have UPS)?
>

If you don't have a UPS, I would recommend BTRFS mostly because it's a
Copy-On-Write (COW) filesystem.  EXT4 journaling only protects the
filesystem, not the files themselves. BRTFS does a checksum of the files as
well, and because it writes out a new file, if that's interrupted, you
still at least have the previous version of the file.

Depending on the type of files, you may also want to take advantage of
transparent compression. I know BTRFS took a long time to stabilize but it
works pretty well for stand alone and RAID 1. I'm not sure if I would trust
it for RAID 5 just yet.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: software or hardware raid?

[Richard Shaw]

On Wed, Mar 1, 2023 at 2:45 PM John Mellor  wrote:

>
> On 2023-03-01 3:01 p.m., Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> > I would like to RAID two of my disks, and I was wondering if the
> recommendation is to do software or hardware RAID?
> Don't even consider hardware RAID solutions that became out-of-favour 25
> years ago.  You can easily do it with LVM/MDR combinations, but its more
> complicated and slower than the BTRFS solution, especially when
> rebuilding onto a new drive.  Instead, because the normal Fedora
> installer is a bit brain-dead, unplug one of the drives and use the
> Fedora-default BTRFS setup.  Then plug in the second drive back again,
> reboot and set up a RAID-1 configuration.  See
> http://www.beginninglinux.com/btrfs for a quick tutorial.  There is also
> a good reference guide on kernel.org, at
> https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Using_Btrfs_with_Multiple_Devices
> to see what can be done.  BTRFS is massively faster and safer than all
> other implementations other than perhaps ZFS, is at least partially
> error compensating, does not demand identical drives, and can be easily
> converted into other RAID classes dynamically as desired.
>

I was going to recommend BTRFS but there's still a lot of people weary
about it because of the long time to stabilization.

I have 4 4TB drives in a BTRFS RAID 1 array for all my media. I know RAID 5
is a bit touchy so I have put that off until I start to run out of space.
The cool thing is I can convert on the fly!

I have installed btrfsmaintenancetools or whatever the package name is and
am running scrubs and balances regularly.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: recommended partition for swap with 0.5 TB memory

[Richard Shaw]

On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 2:48 PM Ranjan Maitra  wrote:

> On Tue Feb28'23 01:56:08PM, Richard Shaw wrote:
> > From: Richard Shaw 
> > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2023 13:56:08 -0600
> > To: Community support for Fedora users 
> > Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users <
> users@lists.fedoraproject.org>
> > Subject: Re: recommended partition for swap with 0.5 TB memory
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 1:43 PM Ranjan Maitra  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I am trying to install Fedora on to a new machine that has 0.5 TB RAM.
> > > Hard drives are 256 GB for / and friends, and 2 TB for /home
> partition. In
> > > the past, it used to be suggested that swap be twice that of RAM: this
> > > later changed to the same amount, and now it is very unclear (to me)
> > > because I have not tracked the latest recommendations. Anyway, what
> would
> > > you suggest? The machine is a Dell Precision 7920 with 28 cores/56
> threads.
> > >
> >
> > By 0.5TB you mean 512GB of ram? Assuming you're installing Fedora 36 or
> 37,
> > I would just leave the defaults alone, which utilizes swap on zram. So
> > basically it won't use any swap unless needed. You can adjust the amount
> of
> > memory allowed to be used for swap.
> >
>
> I decided to let the automatic installer pick up the partition. It
> correctly sets aside 4 TiB (sorry, it was 4TiB, not 2TiB as mentioned
> earlier) for /home, and then 1 GiB for /boot, 600 MiB for /boot/efi, 70 GiB
> for / and leaves aside the rest (as free space). I can adjust the 70 GiB,
> but do I need to keep aside space for the zram? I am unsure about what to
> do with so much free space?
>

With zram you set a maximum amount of memory which can be used as swap (I
think the default is 50% but it may have a maximum set). How it works is
that it compresses the memory, generally giving around 2X compression. The
CPU cost to compress/decompress is much faster than swapping to disk,
perhaps not as much with modern NVMe drives, but it does help relieve
memory pressure without causing unnecessary writes to your expensive SSDs
:)

I was hoping to find something more Fedora centric, but here's the upstream
documentation:
https://github.com/systemd/zram-generator/blob/main/man/zram-generator.conf.md

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: recommended partition for swap with 0.5 TB memory

[Richard Shaw]

On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 1:43 PM Ranjan Maitra  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am trying to install Fedora on to a new machine that has 0.5 TB RAM.
> Hard drives are 256 GB for / and friends, and 2 TB for /home partition. In
> the past, it used to be suggested that swap be twice that of RAM: this
> later changed to the same amount, and now it is very unclear (to me)
> because I have not tracked the latest recommendations. Anyway, what would
> you suggest? The machine is a Dell Precision 7920 with 28 cores/56 threads.
>

By 0.5TB you mean 512GB of ram? Assuming you're installing Fedora 36 or 37,
I would just leave the defaults alone, which utilizes swap on zram. So
basically it won't use any swap unless needed. You can adjust the amount of
memory allowed to be used for swap.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: Enabling Apache HTTP/2 => Too many open files error

[Richard W.M. Jones]

On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 11:42:49AM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> Hi Rich,
> 
> > [although it's way more
> > complicated than it needs to be, why isn't HTTP/2 the default out of
> > the box?]
> 
> HTTP/2 is insecure out-of-the-box. Remember CRIME and BREACH? The
> protocol requires compression, and compression is a known attack
> vector. From the abstract of RFC 7450:
> 
>This specification describes an optimized expression of the semantics
>of the Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP), referred to as HTTP
>version 2 (HTTP/2).  HTTP/2 enables a more efficient use of network
>resources and a reduced perception of latency by introducing header
>field compression and allowing multiple concurrent exchanges on the
>same connection.  It also introduces unsolicited push of
>representations from servers to clients.
> 
> I am also not sure the push functionality is well understood in a
> security context.
> 
> So it is probably a good idea to make HTTP/2 optional, until an
> organization has an opportunity to weigh the risks versus reward.

Good points, thanks.

Rich.

> Jeff
> 
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 7:44 AM Richard W.M. Jones  wrote:
> >
> > I fixed this now, but I could find virtually no documentation about it
> > online, so I'm writing this email to document what surely must be a
> > common problem ...
> >
> > I wanted to enable HTTP/2 support in Apache on Fedora 38.
> >
> > I followed the documentation here which worked [although it's way more
> > complicated than it needs to be, why isn't HTTP/2 the default out of
> > the box?]
> >
> >   https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/howto/http2.html
> >
> > Anyway the problem I had was that the server worked fine provided
> > there were not too many clients (and by "too many" I mean a simple
> > load test with 4-16 clients failed).  Apache randomly threw 403
> > Forbidden errors, but with less load it gave a normal (2xx) response.
> >
> > The first problem is the error is misleading:
> >
> >   [Wed Feb 22 13:24:52.013780 2023] [core:error] [pid 3047850:tid 3047899] 
> > (24)Too many open files: [remote 192.168.0.139:53738] AH00132: file 
> > permissions deny server access: /var/www/html/[filename]
> >
> > If you concentrate on the second part "file permissions deny server
> > access" -- as I did -- then you'll be looking at file permissions,
> > SELinux, restorecon, ausearch etc.  That's a red herring, there is no
> > permissions problem.
> >
> > The real error is the first part "Too many open files".
> >
> > It turns out that the default open file limit (1024!) is too low.  To
> > change this and fix the problem:
> >
> >   # systemctl edit httpd
> >
> > This creates an "override" file to which you should add (or you could
> > just create this file directly):
> >
> >   # cat /etc/systemd/system/httpd.service.d/override.conf
> >   [Service]
> >   LimitNOFILE=65536
> >
> > and then restart Apache for the change to take effect.
> >
> > Why on earth Apache needs > 1024 open files to serve a dozen clients
> > is not clear at all.
> >
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Re: Fedora (37) i686 32-bit virt-p2v ?

[Richard W.M. Jones]

On Sun, Feb 26, 2023 at 07:57:39PM +0100, Franta Hanzlik via users wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I want to virtualize any old i686 Windows XP 32-bit physical PC on F37.
> Result from building virt-p2v boot disk: 
> 
> # virt-p2v-make-disk -o /dev/sde --arch i686
> virt-p2v-make-disk: cannot find /usr/lib64/virt-p2v/virt-p2v.i686.xz
> You used the '--arch' option, so it’s likely that you will need to build
> a virt-p2v.i686 binary yourself.
> See p2v-building(1) section BUILDING i686 32 BIT VIRT-P2V for help.
> 
> It seems as virt-p2v.i686.xz blob isn't in Fedora (nor 'p2v-building'
>  man page, but it can be found easily).
> 
> What now? I see two possibilities:
> 1) it is somewhere on Fedora, but not in core repos
> 2) I have to build it myself - but have no idea about optimal way.
> 'p2v-building' man page recommends 32-bit chroot (without details),
> or (on Fedora) use 'mock' - but it seems it is not there anymore.
> 
> Has anyone done this? What optimal way would you recommend?

You don't need a 32 bit virt-p2v to virtualize a 32 bit system,
just use normal 64 bit virt-p2v.

Having said that, virt-v2v won't give you any real value for Windows
XP.  We don't have virtio drivers for it.  Even after using p2v/v2v on
it, it will still use very slow IDE emulated devices.  This is not to
say that virt-p2v won't work, it should do, but you might as well
simply copy the physical disk of the PC, eg.  by pulling it out and
using a SATA-USB adapter.

Rich.

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Enabling Apache HTTP/2 => Too many open files error

[Richard W.M. Jones]

I fixed this now, but I could find virtually no documentation about it
online, so I'm writing this email to document what surely must be a
common problem ...

I wanted to enable HTTP/2 support in Apache on Fedora 38.

I followed the documentation here which worked [although it's way more
complicated than it needs to be, why isn't HTTP/2 the default out of
the box?]

  https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/howto/http2.html

Anyway the problem I had was that the server worked fine provided
there were not too many clients (and by "too many" I mean a simple
load test with 4-16 clients failed).  Apache randomly threw 403
Forbidden errors, but with less load it gave a normal (2xx) response.

The first problem is the error is misleading:

  [Wed Feb 22 13:24:52.013780 2023] [core:error] [pid 3047850:tid 3047899] 
(24)Too many open files: [remote 192.168.0.139:53738] AH00132: file permissions 
deny server access: /var/www/html/[filename]

If you concentrate on the second part "file permissions deny server
access" -- as I did -- then you'll be looking at file permissions,
SELinux, restorecon, ausearch etc.  That's a red herring, there is no
permissions problem.

The real error is the first part "Too many open files".

It turns out that the default open file limit (1024!) is too low.  To
change this and fix the problem:

  # systemctl edit httpd

This creates an "override" file to which you should add (or you could
just create this file directly):

  # cat /etc/systemd/system/httpd.service.d/override.conf 
  [Service]
  LimitNOFILE=65536

and then restart Apache for the change to take effect.

Why on earth Apache needs > 1024 open files to serve a dozen clients
is not clear at all.

Rich.

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Re: Taking better advantage of BTRFS

[Richard Shaw]

On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 8:31 AM John Mellor  wrote:

> 6) Compression is not the default.  Why not?  SSDs are 10x slower and
> disks are 100x slower than the processors of even 10 years ago, so this
> omission is slowing the system down.
>

I thought zstd level 1 was the default for SSDs and level 3 for spinning
disks? I haven't done a fresh install since Fedora 24...

In the case of fast SSDs (NVMe drives) it will probably slightly hurt
performance but as these devices have a limited number of writes, I think
vastly reducing them using compression is a good idea.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: Adobe Acrobat Can't Find the pdf File When Trying to Display an Email Attachment in Thunderbird Daily

[Richard England]

On 2/6/23 20:26, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2/6/23 17:33, Richard England wrote:

Thunderbird lets you define where the downloads go.

See Edit > Settings > General and scroll down looking for "Save files 
to". Check it and select/browse to the location you want to save to.


~~R



That is the final destination, not
the temporary location of scratch
paper files.



Perhaps modifying $TMP would direct the file to a new location. Assuming 
TB uses that setting.


I let more knowledgeable folks continue this conversation.

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Re: Adobe Acrobat Can't Find the pdf File When Trying to Display an Email Attachment in Thunderbird Daily

[Richard England]

On 2/6/23 17:16, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 2/6/23 13:21, Stephen Morris wrote:
I have no idea if there is any way to get extra debugging information 
nor do I know how to put Selinux in passive mode, but I would have 
thought that if it was an Selinux issue that Selinux would have 
produced a pop-up for the exception with instructions on how to 
resolve it, like it did for the snap processes when snap was 
initially installed.
Also if it was an Selinux issue I would have thought the process for 
extracting the attachment from the mail and passing it to Ocular 
would also fail.
One issue might be that the %U parameter specified for Ocular to give 
it the location of the extracted file may not be the correct 
parameter for Acrobat.


I think, by default, Thunderbird puts temp files in /tmp.  Would a 
program running in a snap even be able to access that?



Thunderbird lets you define where the downloads go.

See Edit > Settings > General and scroll down looking for "Save files 
to". Check it and select/browse to the location you want to save to.


~~R
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Re: Postfix help

[Richard]

> Date: Thursday, January 05, 2023 17:06:40 -0700
> From: Sbob 
> 
># echo 'Test 5' | mail -s "Test: $(date)"
># my_user@my_fastmail_domain.com
> 
> 
> and now I see this in /var/log/maillog :
> 
> Jan  5 17:03:37 F37-Server postfix/pickup[916]: 1AA22104C394:
> uid=0 from=
> Jan  5 17:03:37 F37-Server postfix/cleanup[1217]: 1AA22104C394:
> message-id=<20230106000337.1AA22104C394@F37-Server.localdomain>
> Jan  5 17:03:37 F37-Server postfix/qmgr[917]: 1AA22104C394:
> from=, size=485, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
> Jan  5 17:03:38 F37-Server postfix/smtp[1212]: 1AA22104C394:
> to=,
> relay=smtp.fastmail.com[66.111.4.139]:465, delay=0.92,
> delays=0/0/0.61/0.31, dsn=5.7.1, status=bounced (host
> smtp.fastmail.com[66.111.4.139] said: 551 5.7.1 Not authorised to
> send from this header address (in reply to end of DATA command))
> Jan  5 17:03:38 F37-Server postfix/cleanup[1216]: 06D58104C396:
> message-id=<20230106000338.06D58104C396@F37-Server.localdomain>
> Jan  5 17:03:38 F37-Server postfix/qmgr[917]: 06D58104C396:
> from=<>, size=2646, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
> Jan  5 17:03:38 F37-Server postfix/bounce[1215]: 1AA22104C394:
> sender non-delivery notification: 06D58104C396
> Jan  5 17:03:38 F37-Server postfix/qmgr[917]: 1AA22104C394: removed
> Jan  5 17:03:38 F37-Server postfix/local[1219]: 06D58104C396:
> to=, relay=local, delay=0.01,
> delays=0/0/0/0, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to mailbox)
> Jan  5 17:03:38 F37-Server postfix/qmgr[917]: 06D58104C396: removed
> 
> 
> Not sure what this means:
> 
> Not authorised to send from this header address
> 
> 
> Maybe Fastmail simply does not allow this?
> Is there another email service that I should use? something that is
> (a) NOT google mail and (b) secure?
> 

You haven't set the address you are sending from correctly. You are
trying to send from:

   @F37-Server.localdomain

Janﾠ 5 17:03:37 F37-Server postfix/qmgr[917]: 1AA22104C394:
from=, size=485, nrcpt=1 (queue active)

which is unlikely to be the FQDN that you are authorized to use to
send mail via fastmail. You need to set your "From:" correctly for
this to work. There's a "sendmail" flag that will do that or you can
do it in your postfix config.

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Re: Postfix help

[Richard]

> Date: Thursday, January 05, 2023 16:53:09 -0700
> From: Sbob 
> 
>> On 1/5/23 16:44, Richard wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Thursday, January 05, 2023 16:31:49 -0700
>>> From: Sbob
>>> 
>>> 
>>> when I run a test like this:
>>> 
>>> # echo 'It worked! 4' | mail -s "Test: $(date)"u...@somedomain.com
>>> 
>>> No mail ever shows up,
>>
>> 
>> Before trying to debug this in more detail, what's in the mail log
>> on your sending server?
>
> I see this for mailx:
> 
># mailx
> No mail for root
> 
> 
> Is there another log to look at?

You seem to have looked for (new) mail for root. You need to look in
the log files. For postfix that's generally /var/log/maillog, but you
may have set it up differently.


[to keep things in sequence, please don't top post.]

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Re: Postfix help

[Richard]

> Date: Thursday, January 05, 2023 16:31:49 -0700
> From: Sbob 
>
> 
> when I run a test like this:
> 
># echo 'It worked! 4' | mail -s "Test: $(date)" u...@somedomain.com
> 
> No mail ever shows up,


Before trying to debug this in more detail, what's in the mail log on
your sending server? 

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Re: Xscreensaver forever in F37

[Richard England]

I found it on my Mate system here:

System > Preferences > Look and Feel > Screensaver

~~R

On 1/5/23 10:04, Beartooth wrote:

On Mon, 02 Jan 2023 16:44:02 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:


On Mon, 2023-01-02 at 16:21 +, Beartooth wrote:

 When I first get to my study in the morning, my monitor
 is
not dark, but still displaying some choice of xscreensaver. It always
used to stop and leave the monitor to rest. How do I get that behavior
back?

Look in the power settings, e.g. in KDE it's under:

Power Management->Energy Saving->Screen Energy Saving

Presumably Gnome has something similar.

Good idea. Actually, though, I run Mate. I just looked for it, but
failed. Anybody know where it is, a/o what it's called? (I tried the
things that looked likely to me.)
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Re: Help with Sendmail setup

[Richard]

> Date: Thursday, January 05, 2023 14:50:58 -0700
> From: Sbob 
>
>
> Update:
> 
> If I run the test command as root, the command completes but the
> mail has not arrived in my inbox, it has been 10min
> 
># echo "test" | sendmail -s "test subject" my_user@my_domain.com
># 
> 

Look in the sending machine's logs. The name you appear to have
defined isn't a FQDN so it may be that the target machine is
rejecting it. There may be other issues, but first you have to see
that it's off your sending server.

You have to start sendmail as root (it drops privileges as necessary)
because of the permissions on various directories that it uses and it
wants to open the privileged port (25) to listen for incoming
connections.

Is there some reason you're trying to use sendmail? Postfix has been
the supported MTA for at least a few years.

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Re: fwupd broke my wifi on new laptop

[Richard Hughes]

Can you file it here please https://github.com/fwupd/firmware-lenovo/issues
-- and then I'll tag the right people. Thanks R

On Wed, 21 Dec 2022, 12:12 Neal Becker,  wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 12:25 PM Richard Hughes 
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 at 15:27, Jeffrey Walton  wrote:
>> > fwupdmgr is not well documented. The man pages suck
>>
>> Remember to be awesome. This is an open source project and the number
>> of people writing documentation is less than one.
>>
>> Richard
>>
> I'm not familiar with pinhole reset.  I waited for battery to drain.  Then
> powered up and booted fine!  And the offending firmware is reverted, and my
> wifi is working again.
>
> I don't know where to report the problem with the firmware update.
>
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Re: OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on WD SSD drives?

[Richard Hughes]

On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 at 19:26, Michael D. Setzer II via users
 wrote:
> Got a reply that that is currently the case, and only option
> would be to install windows on machine, or remove drive
> and put in windows machine to upgrade??

If the firmware isn't on the LVFS[1] then you might be able to deploy
the update onto the drive using "sudo fwupdtool install-blob foo.bin"
-- you'll have to extract the *correct* binary blob from the windows
archive (e.g. cabextract) but I know a few people that have done this
successfully. Back up all your data first, obviously.

Richard.

[1] https://fwupd.org/lvfs/devices/
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Re: fwupd broke my wifi on new laptop

[Richard Hughes]

On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 at 15:27, Jeffrey Walton  wrote:
> fwupdmgr is not well documented. The man pages suck

Remember to be awesome. This is an open source project and the number
of people writing documentation is less than one.

Richard
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Re: fwupd broke my wifi on new laptop

[Richard Hughes]

On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 at 15:18, Neal Becker  wrote:
> But is there maybe someway to revert the firmware updates?  Or any other 
> ideas?

"fwupdmgr get-history" would be helpful in knowing what you updated,
and hopefully the older update is also there -- so "fwupdmgr
downgrade" would restore the old version. Either way, filing an issue
https://github.com/fwupd/firmware-lenovo would allow me to ping the
right person.

> Even holding the power button does nothing.

Hmm, I'm erring on on a hardware issue. If you do the pinhole reset
does that get things working again?

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Re: Adding file swap on btrfs

[Richard Shaw]

On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 2:10 PM Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 12/19/22 11:58, Neal Becker wrote:
> > I've just installed f37 on a new lenovo x1 carbon.
> > One thing, the installation didn't setup any swap (other than zswap).
> >
> > After a bit of reading I found
> > sudo btrfs filesystem mkswapfile -s 32G /swapfile
> > But:
> >   sudo swapon -v /swapfile
> > swapon: /swapfile: found signature [pagesize=4096, signature=swap]
> > swapon: /swapfile: pagesize=4096, swapsize=1073741824,
> devsize=34359738368
> >
> > Although I created 32G swapfile, only 1G is used.
> > swapon
> > NAME   TYPE   SIZE USED PRIO
> > /dev/zram0 partition8G 6.3M  100
> > /swapfile  file  1024M   0B   -2
> >
> >
> > What's wrong?
>
> Something is wrong with how it creates the swap format.  Just run
> "mkswap /swapfile" and it will be fine.
>

Not quite, without the chattr +C it will still perform COW file operations
which you don't want on large files.

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Re: help needed: How to reset the root password

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On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 2:57 AM Peter Boy  wrote:

> A Quick Doc article describes the procedure:
> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/reset-root-password/
>
> We, the Fedora Docs team, are in the process to review and improve the
> Quick Docs articles. We are (unfortunately) not omniscient IT gods but need
> support from Fedora community.
>
> According to some comments (
> https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/quick-docs/issue/524) the article misses at
> least some information:
>
> - the second part about using live CD doesn’t describe Workstation and
> BTRFS
>

I'm not sure why that wouldn't work for Workstation (or any standard
install of a linux os) as long as the volume isn't encrypted. It doesn't
even have to be a Fedora live image (probably about time to replace "CD"
with "Image"), I could do the same (and used to) with System Rescue CD.


> - for which Fedora variant do the instructions apply? Server for sure,
> Workstation? CoreOS? Silverblue? Kinoite? all spins?


I can't speak to Silverblue...



> - what else is missing, misleading, or misunderstandable?
>

Looks pretty straight forward but I do which Fedora provided a helper
script to mount the filesystems. I always have to look up what's supposed
to be a "bind" mount or something else once I have /boot and / mounted.

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Re: Installtion of Lunix in virtual Machine

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On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 1:59 AM Josh Roberts 
wrote:

> My host machine is using Windows 10 OS and I am using a low volume Memory.
> https://www.allhdd.com/hpe-840755-091-memory/. The processor is I3 5th
> Generation with 512 HDD hard drive. Please help me.
>

First, there's no actionable information in your first email but I'll take
a stab at it anyway...

There's no reason I know of you should be getting an error like that unless
you do have a memory problem. Have you tried running memtest86[1] on your
system and let it completely cycle 4 times?

How much memory are you allocating? I can get Fedora Workstation to boot on
2GB but that's not really useful.

Thanks,
Richard

[1] https://www.memtest.org/
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Re: Can't create msdos partition table without advanced partitioning?

[Richard Shaw]

On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 8:19 PM Tom Horsley  wrote:

> Installing fedora 37 from workstation live iso to a virtual machine.
>
> I couldn't find any way to partition a blank disk with a msdos
> partition table without using the advanced manual partitioning.
> Did I miss something, or is that the way it works now?
>

It's tickling some brain cells but I think it's 100% GPT by default now.

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Re: Fedora 36 on a MS Surface GO (2 or 3)?

[Richard Shaw]

On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 10:07 AM Sbob  wrote:

> Hi All;
>
> Anyone have any good guides for installing Fedora on a Surface Go 2 or a
> Surface Go 3?
>
> Is there a reason I should pick the 2 vs the 3?
>

It's been over a year but I installed Fedora 35 on a Surface GO 2 and it
worked fine. The only problem I remember is you really need fractional
scaling enabled to get the UI to be "comfortable".

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Richard
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Re: New kernel install had issues. (6.0.5-200.fc36.x86_64)

[Richard Shaw]

Just a "me too" here, but I ran 6.0 fine when there was a call for testing.
When I updated to 6.0.5 my computer (B550 w/ Ryzen 5 5700X) paused at the
BIOS post for a long time and then kind of tried to load but stalled.

I forced it off and turned off the PS for 10 seconds and rebooted, then it
seemed to come up fine. I didn't think anything of it at the time..

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Re: Request for testing: fail2ban 1.0.1 update

[Richard Shaw]

On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 2:12 PM Charles Dennett  wrote:

>
> I've been testing f2b over the past few days and I can now make it fail
> on demand.  By that I mean the fail2ban-server process uses 100% of a
> cpu and becomes unresponsive and will not respond to fail2ban-client or
> process any other log entries (apache, sshd, etc.) whenever it attempts
> to process a dovecot log entry.
>
> This will happen if I use the latest 1.0.1 package.  However, if I use
> that but replace the doveconf.conf filter with the one from an earlier
> version (I used the one from my last fedora 35 backup) everything works
> fine.  So, I would hazard a guess that something in the regex's in the
> newest dovecot.conf file is the issue.  I won't pretend to even begin to
> understand them.  They are quite complex to me.
>
> So for now I will use the older dovecot.conf file.  If someone wants me
> to test an updated version of dovecont.conf, I'd be glad to do that.
>

If you can, please file an issue upstream and let me know what the URL is.
Include as much info as you're able, especially any relevant log file
entries.

https://github.com/fail2ban/fail2ban/issues

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Richard
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Re: Request for testing: fail2ban 1.0.1 update

[Richard Shaw]

Interestingly, I did not have any issues, but I'm only running a sshd jail,
which is one of the reasons I wanted wider testing.

I verified that fail2ban was restarted (systemctl status fail2ban) and then
checked the status (fail2ban-client status sshd) and everything was fine.

I also did a tail -f on both the ssh log and the fail2ban log for a couple
of days and everything seemed fine.


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Richard
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Request for testing: fail2ban 1.0.1 update

[Richard Shaw]

I have disabled auto-stable based on time for the updates: I have submitted
updates for f36 and up and EPEL 9.

https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/?search=fail2ban

I would like some sort of confirmation on the update itself or by direct
communication that everything appears to be working properly.

Fail2ban is somewhat fragile by nature and this is a big update.

Updates for EPEL 7 & 8 will take a bit longer.

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Re: How to run Fedora ARM raw image running on qemu emulator ?

[Richard Shaw]

On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 1:30 PM Cătălin George Feștilă <
myth...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> I want to run on qemu a raw Fedora ARM image from the official website.
> Can you tell me how I can do this?
>

This is for Ubuntu so everything might not translate 1:1, but it does show
how to use arm emulation in qemu.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM64/QEMU

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Richard
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Re: Fedora on a Mac Book Pro

[Richard Shaw]

On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 8:55 PM Terry Polzin  wrote:

> I've come across a circa 2011 Mac Book Pro.  It appears to be in decent
> condition save for the power adapter which appears to have been chewed by a
> pet, so it doesn't flame on.
>
> Has anyone had success installing fedora on one of these?  Just curious
> before I put money into a power adapter, I'm guessing someone ran the
> battery flat (its probably shot anyway) and didn't pursue getting a new
> power adapter.
>

I don't know enough about Macs to know what type it is. But it's old and
thick and has an Intel Core2Duo CPU. It only has 2GB ram so I put a
lightweight spin on it, LXDE I think. Works fine but the lack of a right
mouse button is annoying and there were a few other quirks but perfectly
usable. The ram could be upgraded to 4GB, which I would do if I was going
to use it on any regular basis.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: Noto fonts - ugly and unreadable for everyone or just me?

[Richard W.M. Jones]

On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 09:58:16PM +0100, Barry wrote:
> What is it that you are finding ugly about noto that is great I deja?

Small spidery unreadable letters.  They actually appear better somehow
in the screenshots than they do on the screen itself.

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Re: Noto fonts - ugly and unreadable for everyone or just me?

[Richard W.M. Jones]

On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 05:36:14PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 05:30:42PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 08:29:52PM +0800, Lily White wrote:
> > > Also, please attach a screenshot so we'll know if it's actually a
> > > problem or a personal taste issue.
> > 
> > http://oirase.annexia.org/tmp/ugly.png
> 
> Terminal after upgrade:
> 
> http://oirase.annexia.org/tmp/ugly2.png
> 
> This is using DejaVu Mono which is how it looked before:
> 
> http://oirase.annexia.org/tmp/normal.png

I separately upgraded another laptop from F35 to F36 using dnf
system-upgrade, and the font problem was the same, so this isn't a
F37 / testing problem as far as I can tell.

Rich.

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Re: Noto fonts - ugly and unreadable for everyone or just me?

[Richard W.M. Jones]

On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 05:30:42PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 08:29:52PM +0800, Lily White wrote:
> > Also, please attach a screenshot so we'll know if it's actually a
> > problem or a personal taste issue.
> 
> http://oirase.annexia.org/tmp/ugly.png

Terminal after upgrade:

http://oirase.annexia.org/tmp/ugly2.png

This is using DejaVu Mono which is how it looked before:

http://oirase.annexia.org/tmp/normal.png

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Re: Noto fonts - ugly and unreadable for everyone or just me?

[Richard W.M. Jones]

On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 08:29:52PM +0800, Lily White wrote:
> Also, please attach a screenshot so we'll know if it's actually a
> problem or a personal taste issue.

http://oirase.annexia.org/tmp/ugly.png

> And don't forget to go to the test list.

The same thing would apparently happen on F36.

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Noto fonts - ugly and unreadable for everyone or just me?

[Richard W.M. Jones]

So I upgraded from Fedora 35-ish to 37 recently, and the most obvious
thing is the change to Google Noto fonts
(https://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DefaultToNotoFonts)

Wow oh wow, are these fonts ugly and unreadable for everyone or is it
just a peculiarity of my system or of the upgrade process?

I have mostly been able to switch applications back to DejaVu fonts,
but I still can't work out how to get XFCE and Firefox to restore
readable fonts for the window decorations, menus and URL bar.

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Re: Looking for a GPU that "just works" - Is RX550 a good choice?

[Richard Shaw]

On Fri, Sep 2, 2022 at 11:47 AM Ian Pilcher  wrote:

> I'm currently using an old ATI FirePro V4900 to run my 3 displays -
> 1x 2K and 2x 1920x1200.  I've been seeing glitches in some Gtk
> applications for a while now (running on Plasma X11), and I'm getting
> pretty tired of them.[1]  This card uses the old radeon driver, so I'm
> thinking that it might be time to bite the bullet and move to something
> a bit more modern.
>
> I do not do any gaming.  I simply want to be able to run my preferred
> desktop (Plasma) with compositing and a few effects turned on.
>
> NVIDIA is out, because of the "just works" requirement, so I'm looking
> at AMD options.  Is the RX550 a good choice for my use case?
>

It should be fine. I still like my RX 580. I was going to recommend the
6400/6500 if budget allows just to get something "current" but both seem to
only have two ports...

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: opinions: backups

[Richard Shaw]

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 5:23 PM Bill Cunningham 
wrote:

> On 8/16/2022 5:24 PM, Barry Scott wrote:
>
> On 16 Aug 2022, at 19:27, Neal Becker  wrote:
>
> I use borg and am very happy with it.  As Chris, I only backup /home,
> everything else is replaceable.  Oh, I occasionally make a backup of /etc
> also.
>
>
> I back /home and /etc because if I missed a config change then I need /etc
> to rebuild.
> As pointed out a list of installed packages is use full to backup as well.
> I put that info in a file in /etc.
>
> That's a good idea. I truthfully don't use users because no one but me
> uses my machine. I know everyone says use a normal user and just sudo into
> root. But all I access is in root anyway, so I just login. I too just
> backup what I want at this point. Is it safe btw to erase all the invisible
> files in the /home root directory? Bash scripts and all? I erase a few root
> scripts that applications make and send to /~ but I am very careful.
>
>Does anyone still use clonzilla or partimage? They are a bit aged.
>

I wouldn't use them for general backup purposes but clonezilla is still a
good choice when upgrading a drive.  I might consider using one of them to
back up a whole system when it's a utility or micro server, but backing up
a whole desktop system seems like a waste of disk space unless you just
have money to burn.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: systemd service fails to run with "ConditionACPower=true was not met"

[Richard W.M. Jones]

On Fri, Aug 05, 2022 at 12:16:46PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> I think this is a systemd bug.

It seems like the source/sink check was added recently to fix:

https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/21988

but that the fix is either wrong or incomplete.

Here's another interesting related bug:

https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/20964

I have filed a new bug for this:

https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/24214

Rich.

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