Re: Mouse pointer moves but does not click
Do you have multiple pointing devices attached? Like a second mouse, a touchpad, trackpoint, etc... Then a mouse operation started on one can block button operations on the other. Ctrl-s is pretty universal to save in both windows and linux apps. Den tor. 3. mai 2018, 17.09 skrev Paul Smith : > On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 3:54 PM, Matthew Miller > wrote: > >> My mouse moves but does not click. > >> I have a file open and unsaved on VirtualBox. How can I proceed in > >> order to avoid the lost of the changes I did on the mentioned open > >> file? > >> The keyboard is working and I am using Fedora 28. > > > > I'm not a VirtualBox user and am not sure how much I can help, but... a > > couple of questions: > > > > * Was the mouse working and it suddenly stopped? > > > > * What application is your file open in? > > Thanks, Matthew. > > Yes, the mouse was working properly, but suddenly it stopped working fine. > > The application where the file is open is MS Word. > > My idea was to send a command to VirtualBox to save the state and then > poweroff the guest virtual machine. I have tried > > VManage controlvm "my machine name" savestate > > but, surprisingly, it says that there is no virtual machine running... > > Paul > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: anyone using linux client for AT&T's global network client
The old linux client is java based and still works on rhel 6 at least. 1. mar. 2017 11.42 p.m. skrev "Ed Greshko" : > On 03/01/17 23:59, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > i'm going to pry into the latest rpm later today to see what's > > salvageable, but if someone already has a solution, that would simply > > save me the time. > > And that is why I made the final "suggestion". > > As a kludge, I wonder if it would be feasible to run the GNC on an > Android device while at the same time having that device at as a hotspot > > -- > Fedora Users List - The place to go to get others to do the work for you > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F22 and WebEx
You must have icedtea-web installed. It is the java plugin for firefox. Java does not work in chrome. 17. nov. 2015 5.26 p.m. skrev Robert Moskowitz : > > I need to join a WebEx conference this afternoon. I no longer have a > Win system I can steal for a couple hours. And in my attempt to test > WebEx I get that Java is not working. > > Java is installed. Do I have to do some specific configuration to get > java working for this? > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Upgrade advice
Since i have been running on btrfs for some time now i have the option to install to a fresh root subvolume, while reusing the existing swap and home. When i am certain i have everything set up i can delete the old root subvolume. No repartitioning needed. 2. nov. 2015 1.13 p.m. skrev Michael Schwendt : > > On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:20:44 -0400, Jeffrey Ross wrote: > > > I'm looking for some suggestions on how to upgrade an older Fedora system > > and keep as many of the configurations as possible for the applications > > that are being used. > > Packages don't touch /home, so all that would be needed is to keep /home. > Or backup your user's files and restore them after an upgrade or after a > fresh installation. > > As jumping from F16 to F22 could result in lots of surprises (and > upgrading from F16 to F17 to F18 ... to F22 would be tiresome), I would > always prefer a fresh installation, especially if you want to rethink your > partitioning. It would also be an opportunity to recreate the list of packages > you want to add to the default installation afterwards. > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Bluetooth woes (again)
One thing i have seen a few times with wireless keyboards/mice is that if you have both as wireless the placement of the dongle can become important. Try placing the dongle where you minimize interference between the devices. This usually affects the keyboard when the mouse is directly between the keyboard and the dongle or vice versa. 25. okt. 2015 7.04 p.m. skrev Patrick O'Callaghan : > > Once again my BT mouse is acting up and I have no idea why. I've been > using it with no problems for months, through successive updates to the > kernel, and it has Just Worked. Then suddenly it doesn't. The > configuration dialogues (on both Gnome and KDE) see the mouse and give > its Mac address, show it as paired, trusted and not blocked, but say > it's "unreachable". The mouse has adequate battery and power cycling > makes no difference. > > My BT adaptor is a Broadcom dongle. It has up to date firmware (as of a > couple of months ago). > > This has happened several times in the past (e.g. see > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2014-March/447579.html) > and just as suddenly seems to fix itself, sometimes after several days > of complete frustration. > > This is F22 fully updated, using both kernel-4.1.8-200.fc22.x86_64 and > kernel-4.2.3-200.fc22.x86_64 > > The mouse has never failed on my other system, a laptop running Fedora > 21 but with a builtin BT adaptor. > > If anyone has something to suggest, I'm all ears. > > poc > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Viewing a web server hosted on a server on the LAN - but seeing the modem/router instead
This is off topic since the router is responsible here. When you use fqdn you are probably hitting your routers public ip, right? You then use port forwarding to forward the requests to the internal server. Sadly, many routers only do that port forwarding when you actually hit from the outside. 29. okt. 2015 7.58 a.m. skrev Philip Rhoades : > > People, > > Most of my domains are on cloud servers but a couple of less critical > ones I have hosted a server (192.168.1.10) on my LAN. The port > forwarding on the router is OK and people from outside see the web sites > no problem. Although the way I have my networking set up seems to be > fine in all other respects, when I browse to the FQDN of one of the LAN > Server-hosted web sites - from a workstation on the LAN, instead of > seeing the web site, I see the admin login screen for the modem / router > (192.168.1.1). > > I am guessing there is something simple that will fix this problem but > my messing around with networking so far hasn't got me anywhere . . > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Phil. > -- > Philip Rhoades > > PO Box 896 > Cowra NSW 2794 > Australia > E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: missing repo, no repomd, no metalink.xml
Since fedora releases about every 6 months and only supports two old releases you really need to upgrade either one version every 6 months or two releases in a yearly upgrade session. If you need to run a distro that is quite like fedora but can be kept for a longer time look at CentOS (pure RHEL clone) or ScientificLinux (RHEL clone geared for the scientific community). Right now F20 would be the oldest supported version. As soon as F23 ships F20 will be dropped as well. As you have noticed some mirrors keep older versions around for some time, but you can't count on it. Shane : >Hi, > > I'm using Fedora18 x86_64. (Yes, it's old.) Within the last few >days I found that I cannot install or list anything from the fedora-18 >repo via yum. I get the typical errors everybody complains about "no >repomd" and "metalink.xml does not exist". Common workarounds from >google searches haven't worked. > > I opened the link spit out by yum >"http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=fedora-18&arch=x86_64"; >in a browser. It downloaded a metalink file (no .xml suffix). The 3rd >(or so) line of the file has the following dubious message. > ># repo = fedora-18 arch = x86_64 error: invalid repo or arch > > Following this line is a HUGE listing of available repos and >architectures. There is nothing shown for fedora-18 arch i386 or >x86_64. In fact, even fedora-source-18 repo is missing. I don't think >this is a yum problem on my system. > > Is there something else I can try (yum-wise)? If I need to report it >then where? I'm quite certain that this is the wrong list. > > Thanks. > > Shane > >-- >users mailing list >users@lists.fedoraproject.org >To unsubscribe or change subscription options: >https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users >Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct >Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F22/23 + nvidia = no boot...
How did you install the nvidia drivers? Manually or did you use the rpmfusion packages. For rpmfusion, did you use kmod-nvidia or akmod-nvidia? I have a few systems running akmod-nvidia-304xx, and have no problems. linux guy : >I know that the nvidia driver is proprietary software. > >Neither F22 nor F23 will boot on my laptop with kernels from the last week >or so and the latest nvidia driver. When I attempt these kernel/driver >combinations, it stops on the console screen which then begins flashing >about once per second. My laptop boots normally if I use the nouveau >driver. > >Does anyone know the cause or a work around for this situation ? > >Thanks > >-- >users mailing list >users@lists.fedoraproject.org >To unsubscribe or change subscription options: >https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users >Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct >Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F22: how to mount AFS directory?
Once you start the OpenAFS client it will by default attach itself at /afs IIRC. You can change the default in a config file or the command line. The way I used AFS a lng time back, it used Kerberos to authenticate you to the AFS network, and everything you had access to was available in that /afs top level structured by Kerberos domains and then local file system structures. There was no mounting in the traditional sense. It is one big, cloudy repository that was primarily used by collaborating scientists. You could browse around and find all kinds of interesting stuff. :-) I used Scientific Linux (fork of CentOS) back then, and it had AFS installed by default. It's a long time ago, so I may be hazy on this. ti., 25.08.2015 kl. 08.09 -0500, skrev Ranjan Maitra: > On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 00:38:03 +0100 "Patrick O'Callaghan" < > pocallag...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, 2015-08-24 at 18:19 -0500, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > > Does anyone know how to mount an AFS filesystem (I think it is > > > called > > > an Andrews' Filesystem) on Fedora 22? > > > > The Andrew File System was part of the Andrew project at Carnegie > > Mellon University many years ago. > > > > See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_File_System > > > > > I looked around on the web, but did not come up with anything > > > that > > > worked so I thought that I would ask for some advice. > > > > According to the above page RedHat has an implementation in early > > development. You could also try https://openafs.org/ > > Patrick, > > Thanks! I did look at that page, but it seemed to me that that was > written from the view of how to run an AFS server. Maybe I did not > read carefully, but i was looking for how one mounts an AFS server. > In the case of a CIFS mount (say), I can use the command: > > /sbin/mount.cifs //full.path.to.server /mnt/local.directory -o nounix > -o username=me,domain=domain.name,sec=ntlmv2 > > Is there a similar command for AFS mounts? > > Many thanks and best wishes, > Ranjan > > > FREE 3D EARTH SCREENSAVER - Watch the Earth right on your desktop! > Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/earth > > -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
SV: Sending a desktop to a big screen
I have not tried this, but you can run the vnc viewer in "listening" mode on the big screen tv, then run vncconnect on a workstation to connect an existing vnc server there to the viewer. Could be worth a try. Sendt fra min Sony Xperia™-smarttelefon Amit Prahesh skrev >-- >users mailing list >users@lists.fedoraproject.org >To unsubscribe or change subscription options: >https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users >Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct >Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
SV: Offline uncorrectable sectors
Sounds like you already have smartmontools installed. Use smartctl to look at your disks SMART data and also run the built in diagnostics. ddrescue is a good tool to recover your data. Look at the example section in the manual. info ddrescue. The first pass will read the whole disk with a large block size, skipping all read errors to save as much as possible as quickly as possible. The second run then reads only the failed sectors from the first run with smaller block sizes and retries multiple times. Then fsck the fresh copy and hope you got everything. I just did this successfully on a windows drive. Only one 512b block failed completely. Sendt fra min Sony Xperia™-smarttelefon Paul Smith skrev >Dear All, > >I am getting the following warning on a terminal window (F22, : > >- >WARNING: Your hard drive is failing >Device: /dev/sda [SAT], 1 Offline uncorrectable sectors >- > >(Please, find below the output of smartctl -a /dev/sda) > >Is that a serious problem? What should I do? > >Thanks in advance, > >Paul > >- > ># smartctl -a /dev/sda >smartctl 6.4 2015-06-04 r4109 [x86_64-linux-4.1.4-200.fc22.x86_64] (local >build) >Copyright (C) 2002-15, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org > >=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION === >Model Family: Western Digital Green >Device Model: WDC WD20EARX-00PASB0 >Serial Number:WD-WCAZAJ822299 >LU WWN Device Id: 5 0014ee 2b260482b >Firmware Version: 51.0AB51 >User Capacity:2,000,398,934,016 bytes [2.00 TB] >Sector Sizes: 512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical >Device is:In smartctl database [for details use: -P show] >ATA Version is: ATA8-ACS (minor revision not indicated) >SATA Version is: SATA 3.0, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 3.0 Gb/s) >Local Time is:Sun Aug 16 15:36:46 2015 WEST >SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability. >SMART support is: Enabled > >=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === >SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED > >General SMART Values: >Offline data collection status: (0x82)Offline data collection activity >was completed without error. >Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled. >Self-test execution status: ( 0)The previous self-test >routine completed >without error or no self-test has ever >been run. >Total time to complete Offline >data collection: (37500) seconds. >Offline data collection >capabilities: (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate. >Auto Offline data collection on/off support. >Suspend Offline collection upon new >command. >Offline surface scan supported. >Self-test supported. >Conveyance Self-test supported. >Selective Self-test supported. >SMART capabilities:(0x0003)Saves SMART data before entering >power-saving mode. >Supports SMART auto save timer. >Error logging capability:(0x01)Error logging supported. >General Purpose Logging supported. >Short self-test routine >recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes. >Extended self-test routine >recommended polling time: ( 361) minutes. >Conveyance self-test routine >recommended polling time: ( 5) minutes. >SCT capabilities:(0x3035)SCT Status supported. >SCT Feature Control supported. >SCT Data Table supported. > >SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16 >Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: >ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE >UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE > 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x002f 200 200 051Pre-fail >Always - 22 > 3 Spin_Up_Time0x0027 172 165 021Pre-fail >Always - 6383 > 4 Start_Stop_Count0x0032 099 099 000Old_age >Always - 1446 > 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 200 200 140Pre-fail >Always - 0 > 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x002e 200 200 000Old_age >Always - 0 > 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 089 089 000Old_age >Always - 8161 > 10 Spin_Retry_Count0x0032 100 100 000Old_age >Always - 0 > 11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age >Always - 0 > 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 099 099 000Old_age >Always - 1446 >192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 200 200 000Old_age >Always - 18 >193 Load_Cycle_Count0x0032 136 136 000Old_age >Always - 192777 >194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 116 107 000Old_age >Always - 34 >196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 200 200
SV: Laptop 'Sleep' with 4.1.x Kernels
It seems to work fine on my Lenovo X1 Carbon 2nd gen. Sendt fra min Sony Xperia™-smarttelefon Tim Evans skrev >Anyone else lost the ability for laptop acpi "sleep" since 4.1.x kernels >came out? My Lenovo T530 works properly when lid is closed with >4.0.8-300.fc22, but does not with any 4.1 kernel. >-- >Tim Evans |5 Chestnut Court >443-394-3864 |Owings Mills, MD 21117 >-- >users mailing list >users@lists.fedoraproject.org >To unsubscribe or change subscription options: >https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users >Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct >Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
SV: Re: Fedora 22 is here!
The lenovo USB 3 dock uses DisplayLink chips for the display part. DisplayLink have not provided a linux driver for the new chip set yet even if they promised so when they launched it. :-( The Lenovo OneLink dock has USB 3, power and DisplayPort in one cable. If you have a lenovo pc with the OneLink connector then this dock works, as the display connector on the dock is really hooked to the internal DP interface in the laptop. I use this dock with my X1 2nd gen and a high-res 27" screen. Sendt fra min Sony Xperia™-smarttelefon valent.turko...@gmail.com skrev >I love Fedora, but there is still no fix for Lenovo docks :( No >external monitor works over dock, but under windows they work >flawlessly :( >But reported weeks and weeks ago... still no reply :( >-- >users mailing list >users@lists.fedoraproject.org >To unsubscribe or change subscription options: >https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users >Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct >Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
SV: Re: Clone SD card -
Remember that you cannot trust the size of sd cards. If you need to make a backup of a card and ensure the image will fit on a card of the same claimed size you should shrink the last partition on the device a bit before backing up. Otherwise you can end up with a damaged file system. Sendt fra min Sony Xperia™-smarttelefon Rick Stevens skrev >On 06/08/2015 09:59 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: >> Can someone tell me the proper command to clone an SD card? >> >> I am working with the RPI 2B and I would like to store a backup on my >> hard drive and be able to write it back to another SD card. I may not be >> asking Google the right things but it hasn't helped ... > >You could use something like Clonezilla. On the flip side, to get an >EXACT image, as root: > > # dd if=/dev/sdX of=/place/to/save/image.img bs=1M > >where "/dev/sdX" is the raw device of the WHOLE SD card (NOT a partition >such as "/dev/sda3"). > >To put on a new, identical SD card, as root: > > # dd if=/place/to/save/image.img of=/dev/sdaX bs=1M > >again where "/dev/sdX" is the raw device of the WHOLE SD card. "dd" is >your friend. > >BTW, this should be virtually identical to the way you created the >bootable SD card in the beginning, not so? :-) >-- >- Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - >- AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - >-- >- Blessed be the peacekeepers, for they shall be shot at from- >-both sides. - >--- A.M. Greeley - >-- >-- >users mailing list >users@lists.fedoraproject.org >To unsubscribe or change subscription options: >https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users >Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct >Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
SV: Re: Is this usb wifi plug supported?
Can you find any hints here? This describes installing the vendor driver. The usb vendor and product ids are the same, so yours ought to be the same as this. http://superuser.com/questions/738096/how-to-install-mediatek-mt7610u-rt2860-driver Maintaining a driver manually sucks, but it may help until the open source driver works for your dongle. Sendt fra min Sony Xperia™-smarttelefon jd1008 skrev > >I finally received the item. >I plugged it in and kernel recognizes it as: >[ 174.952769] usb 2-2: USB disconnect, device number 3 >[ 192.344054] usb 2-2: new high-speed USB device number 5 using ehci-pci >[ 192.473984] usb 2-2: New USB device found, idVendor=0e8d, idProduct=7610 >[ 192.473989] usb 2-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, >SerialNumber=3 >[ 192.473993] usb 2-2: Product: WiFi >[ 192.473996] usb 2-2: Manufacturer: MediaTek >[ 192.473999] usb 2-2: SerialNumber: 1.0 > >And since the file >drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/Kconfig > > has the following config line: >config RT2800USB_RT55XX > bool "rt2800usb - Include support for rt55xx devices (EXPERIMENTAL)" > ---help--- > This adds support for rt55xx wireless chipset family to the > rt2800usb driver. > Supported chips: RT5572 > >So, I ran modprobe rt2800usb which loaded: ># lsmod | grep 2800 >rt2800usb 28672 0 >rt2x00usb 20480 1 rt2800usb >rt2800lib 94208 1 rt2800usb >rt2x00lib 69632 3 rt2x00usb,rt2800lib,rt2800usb >crc_ccitt 16384 1 rt2800lib >mac80211 704512 4 rt2x00lib,rt2x00usb,rt2800lib,iwldvm > >However, iwconfig does not show the interface. > >How do I get there from here ? :) :) > >-- >users mailing list >users@lists.fedoraproject.org >To unsubscribe or change subscription options: >https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users >Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct >Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
SV: Is there any way to go back to 21?
If you run on a snapshot-capable file system and have the snapshot pluign for yum you should have a way to revert. I run on btrfs with said plugin. I crated my own cron job to remove all but the last 3 yum-created snapshots. I have never had to actually reboot from a snapshot, but it should be as easy as overriding the subvol parameter in grub and fstab. You also get the ability to do a fresh install to a new subvol without repartitioning or touching your existing subvols. Sendt fra min Sony Xperia™-smarttelefon David Cary Hart skrev >I am having all sorts of ugly problems, particularly with T-Bird. Also >22 mounts my phone but refuses to mount my Kindle. KDE lost a bunch of >widgets including weather and ktorrent. 21 was more stable, possibly >faster. This is the first major upgrade problem I have had since FC9. > >-- >David C. Hart - South Beach >http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com >-- >users mailing list >users@lists.fedoraproject.org >To unsubscribe or change subscription options: >https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users >Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct >Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
SV: Is this usb wifi plug supported?
Impossible to say without knowing which chip set it uses. And manufacturers sometimes don't tell you that because they want to be able to switch if a different chip becomes cheaper. With kind regards Birger jd1008 skrev >I am considering buying such a plug. >It is described as: >Mini AC600 High Performance 2.4GHz 5GHz Dual Band WiFi Wireless USB Adapter >Features: >100% Brand New and High Quality >This AC600 dual band adapter delivers powerful wireless AC technology to your >desktop or notebook computer. >Simply plug the adapter into an available USB port and connect to a wireless >network to access a secure,high speed internet connection --2.4GHz or 5GHz . >And with integrated dual band technology , you’ll have reduced Wi-Fi >interference >to maximize throughput for faster streaming ,gaming ,and Skype calls . >Support 802.11ac standard-- the next generation of wifi. >Backward compatible with 802.11 a/b/g/n products. >Ultra fast AC600 (433+150Mbps) wireless speed with 802.11 ac. >Maximum speed up to 5Ghz 433Mbps or 2.4Ghz 150Mbps. >Dual band connections for lag-free HD video streaming and gaming. >Easy wireless security encryption at a push of the WPS button. > >I found it at: >http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-AC600-High-Performance-2-4GHz-5GHz-Dual-Band-WiFi-Wireless-USB-Adapter-D-/231558327591?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35e9f3ad27 > >Thanx for any helpful info. >-- >users mailing list >users@lists.fedoraproject.org >To unsubscribe or change subscription options: >https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users >Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct >Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
SV: Re: SV: Re: partitioning new machine
Anaconda knows how to do it. Select btrfs instead of lvm, and manual partitioning. I did this on f21, and i am also quite certain i did it in f22 server alpha. For my fresh f22 install on my laptop anaconda wanted to switch from bios to uefi boot, so i used btrfs send to make a backup of /home and then restored it afterwards. Make a backup just to be safe before experimenting. Sendt fra min Sony Xperia™-smarttelefon Neal Becker skrev >birger wrote: > >> Look at your current fstab. Are there lines for / and /home? Do they use >> the subvol mount option? >> > >Yes they do. My question is, does the f22 installer know how to install >into a btrfs subvol? What is the procedure? Do I need to create the new >root22 subvol before running the installer? > >-- >users mailing list >users@lists.fedoraproject.org >To unsubscribe or change subscription options: >https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users >Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct >Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
SV: can anaconda install into a btrfs subvolume?
You can destroy the old subvol in anaconda and install to a brand new one. Or install to a new one and keep the old until you know you can delete it. Yes, you can keep /home. Of course a backup is always wise. Sendt fra min Sony Xperia™-smarttelefon Neal Becker skrev >actually, I have / and /home on 2 different btrfs subvolumes: > >== /etc/fstab >UUID=7246327b-1905-4fe2-9b6b-b9376017264f / btrfs >subvol=root 1 1 >UUID=2c04be93-34c1-4016-ba41-60fd9fd90616 /boot ext4 >defaults1 2 >UUID=7246327b-1905-4fe2-9b6b-b9376017264f /home btrfs >subvol=home 1 2 >UUID=e663c7fd-f321-45af-b643-30623ebfbc44 swapswap >defaults0 0 >UUID=e8f2dae0-e764-45f1-a7b3-575b45a5cb4f swapswap >defaults0 0 >=== > > >If I want to clean-install f22, can I tell anaconda to install into >subvol=root of my existing btrfs volume (leaving /home subvol intact)?? > > > >-- >Those who fail to understand recursion are doomed to repeat it > >-- >users mailing list >users@lists.fedoraproject.org >To unsubscribe or change subscription options: >https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users >Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct >Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
SV: Re: partitioning new machine
Look at your current fstab. Are there lines for / and /home? Do they use the subvol mount option? Sendt fra min Sony Xperia™-smarttelefon Neal Becker skrev >birger wrote: > >> With btrfs you create subvolumes within the same master volume. >> The default is to have separate subvolumes for / and /home. >> >> When doing a new install you can create a new / with a new subvolume >> name within the same btrfs file system. rootfs-22 instead of just >> root for example. That way you can mount your old / as a subdirectory >> while moving over all your config to the new /, and you can keep >> the same /home. When you are done, delete the old / subvolume >> and you get your space back without any repartitioning. >> >> look at the subvol=XXX in /etc/fstab >> > >perfect, so I should be able to do this through Anaconda, correct? > >-- >users mailing list >users@lists.fedoraproject.org >To unsubscribe or change subscription options: >https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users >Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct >Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: partitioning new machine
With btrfs you create subvolumes within the same master volume. The default is to have separate subvolumes for / and /home. When doing a new install you can create a new / with a new subvolume name within the same btrfs file system. rootfs-22 instead of just root for example. That way you can mount your old / as a subdirectory while moving over all your config to the new /, and you can keep the same /home. When you are done, delete the old / subvolume and you get your space back without any repartitioning. look at the subvol=XXX in /etc/fstab If you want to back up and restore individual subvolumes, look at the btrfs send and btrfs receive commands. on., 06.05.2015 kl. 09.08 -0400, skrev Neal Becker: > Actually, re-partioning old machine. > > Last time, I setup 1 big 1TB btrfs partition. I'd like to do a re > -install > for f22, and I'm wishing now I had my home on it's own partition - > since now > I need to backup and restore my home (about 165GB). > > Or perhaps there is another way? shrink the 1TB btrfs partition, > create a > new one for /home, and copy? How could I do that, and could I do it > online, > or only from some rescue USB? (/home is on the same single partition > as /). > > -- > Those who fail to understand recursion are doomed to repeat it > -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
SV: Re: Video Editing with Blender on Fedora 21 x86_64
I just want to second this. OpenShot is a bit quirky at first, but when you get used to it... When using a camera without optical zoom (smartphone...) i never zoom. I use steady, calm movements. Then i have full freedom to cut scenes afterwards and add zooming, panning, etc. Zooming on a camera with only digital zoom is no better than zooming in OpenShot afterwards. Sendt fra min Sony Xperia™-smarttelefon Richard Shaw skrev >-- >users mailing list >users@lists.fedoraproject.org >To unsubscribe or change subscription options: >https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users >Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct >Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: SV: Re: F21: why Fedora still has not alternative init?
ma., 04.05.2015 kl. 01.48 +0200, skrev Frantisek Hanzlik: > > Hmm, I guess You want advice me, to bought some strictly limited > (maybe > commercial) OS - and then shut up and be satisfied with I have. But > this > fortunately is not Linux case... That was not what I wrote at all. I gave reasons why a distro does not want to support multiple init systems as it becomes a big burden on package maintainers. If you really want a fedora with another init system you need to look at making a respin. That respin needs to provide init files for all packages that now use unit files. I still remember back when people thought sysvinit was wasteful on resources, overly complex and not the unix way compared to the single rc.local script... > Regarding cgroups/btrfs/selinux - they may be used independently of > systemd. And although I think SELinux is good thing and I use it > (regardless of systemd), things as cgroups and btrfs I never needed > (regardless of systemd). And I not want to 'play' with, I want to > foolproof system - and in my experience, systemd does not fall with > (after 4+ years of 'playing'). > You mentioned yourself that one of your reasons was a need to run multiple versions of services like sshd. one sshd for users, one for admin. How about making the one for admin run off its own read-only btrfs volume, wrapped up in cgroups and selinux? No access to the full file system at all. Only the parts relevant to sshd are present. And the only way to add new ssh keys, set passwords or whatever is from the host system. A sshd container that isn't exploitable in any way. It can only be used to initiate a new ssh into some internal system. I did that as my first ever venture into new functionality in systemd service files. It took me a few hours, documentation was good, and it worked! With even debian and ubuntu switching to systemd you have to dismiss the red hat conspiracy theories. systemd is actually a good thing in this time of container-based thinking. I do have my reservations about some of the current container implementations (like docker), but the basic principles are sound for any server. And we have to acknowledge that linux is a server OS. Systemd lets me containerize any service without setting up the whole framework for such services. I can haz full control! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
SV: Re: F21: why Fedora still has not alternative init?
First of all, supporting multiple init systems is not something a distro wants to do. It would involve forcing package maintainers to support them when getting enough package maintainers is a problem already. The alternative is to create a respin with another init system and its own builds of any software using systemd. A big task. And besides... Systemd is quite awesome. Especially for servers. play with cgroups, btrfs and selinux directly in the service file and you can have services running in your very own containers. Setting up my first new service using a cf Sendt fra min Sony Xperia™-smarttelefon Frantisek Hanzlik skrev >Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> HI >> >> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote: >> >> Rahul, I'm not sure what you're talking about, sorry for my narrow >> english knowledge. >> Despite of that, although I know that systemd fans talk how is its >> documentations exhaustive (best/ideal/...), it isn't truth >> >> >> I disagree with your perspective. There is plenty of documentation >> including tutorials, man pages, guide style documentation etc >> >> Scroll down >> >> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/ >> >> If you are missing something specific, feel free to file a bug report or >> RFE and reply with that link here. >> >> Rahul > >Rahul, thanks to Your recommendation. But for wider angle, this isn't >as so significant. I want a stable system on which I can rely on - >and it now block systemd piece. And as I see for last 4 years of its >evolving, it is still totally buggy thing. I want alternative, as I >said before. >-- >Franta Hanzlik > >-- >users mailing list >users@lists.fedoraproject.org >To unsubscribe or change subscription options: >https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users >Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct >Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: /tmp vs /var/tmp
I am old school / enterprise oriented, so I feel /var/tmp is correct for this kind of files. Traditionally /var/tmp was for larger temporary files, and more long-lived ones. /var/tmp traditionally survives a reboot while /tmp may not. Some systems regenerate /tmp on boot, and some use a memory file system. In the memory file system scenario storing big files there will fill system memory. On linux workstations the difference is usually just that if /var is a separate partition then /var/tmp may have more available disk space than /tmp. And of course nowadays /tmp may be on SSD (where you don't really want to write all your big temporary files) while in a system with multiple disks /var/tmp is more probable to be on traditional disk. So my vote is to keep the distinction as it used to be, and perhaps report the new firefox behaviour as a bug if it really is a new default. birger On Mon, 2015-04-13 at 09:29 -0400, Max Pyziur wrote: > Greetings, > > Is there a setting that controls where temporary files are stored (/tmp vs > /var/tmp)? > > When I did a fresh install of F21 temporary files such as the pdf ones > opened by Firefox are now stored in /tmp; before they were stored in > /var/tmp. > > Much thanks, > > Max Pyziur > p...@brama.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
SV: Re: Most likely OT: rsync to cifs mount
Deduplication kind of handles sparse files since all blocks containing only zero will get mapped to the same storage. As soon as one of those blocks sharing storage get written to it will be written to a new block, and the usage counter of the shared block gets reduced by one. Once usage reaches zero the block is flagged for reuse. At least that is how it seems to work in the netapp wafl file system. Wafl never rewrites a block in place, it always writes to a new location. I don't know about OneFS. Sendt fra min Sony Xperia™-smarttelefon Rick Stevens skrev >On 04/01/2015 10:57 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: >> Thanks! >> >> >>> That's EMC's "OneFS" filesystem (EMC bought out Isilon). >>> On Wed, 1 Apr 2015 08:07:34 -0500 Ranjan Maitra wrote: > Thanks to both Cameron and you, Bob! > > After the transfer, here is what we have, on that filesystem: > > $ du -sh kmeans --apparent-size > 154G kmeans > > $ du -sh kmeans > 628G kmeans > > So, I guess that leaves me (and others) stuck. >>> >>> Is "kmeans" on the target or the source filesystem? >> >> Sorry, this is on the target (Isilon FS). Locally (on a F21 workstation and >> ext4 FS) it clocks in at 154G and 159G respectively. >> >> If it's the source, >>> keep in mind that OneFS can do data dedupes (assuming it's enabled), >>> but it is a NAS device (NFS and/or SMB). I don't believe it's capable >>> of sparse files (few NAS are). The data dedupe would reduce the actual >>> storage on disk on the EMC device , but not report it as a sparse >>> filesystem >> >> >> Yes, I have been given this explanation, as well as that th block size is >> turned up on the isilon. This means that the size of a single file is >> probably 16K, rather than the typical 4K desktop file size. However, I do >> not have files that are that small where it would make a difference. So, I >> don't know. >> >> I see: the dedupe is supposed to run over weekends but I am not sure what it >> does. > >Deduping is a process by which redundant data on a storage device is >removed. You can loosely think of it as "gzip" at the block level on >the storage device itself (although gzip is _compression_, not >deduping). Everything on the device will _appear_ normal, but the >redundancies will have been removed and less physical space used. > >Here's a good explanation: > > http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/D/data_deduplication.html > >-- >- Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - >- AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - >-- >- A squeegee, by any other name, wouldn't sound as funny. - >-- >-- >users mailing list >users@lists.fedoraproject.org >To unsubscribe or change subscription options: >https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users >Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct >Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
SV: Re: SV: sometimes boots f21, sometimes hangs
Mine is a 2nd gen. How about Neal Becker? Which gen x1, and what file system? Sendt fra min Sony Xperia™-smarttelefon Frederic Muller skrev >Just FYI on a new X1 carbon (3rd gen) with F21 at the moment, LVM/Ext4 >and no issue at all. Maybe a Btrfs issue? > >Fred > >On 03/29/2015 01:47 AM, Neal Becker wrote: >> Tried any different boot options? >> >> birger wrote: >> >>> I see the same, also on a x1. Btrfs root and home on mine. Ran nicely >>> since f21 forked from rawhide, but sees this more and more often. I think >>> it started with 3.18 kernels. Same on 3.19.1. >>> >>> Sendt fra min Sony Xperia™-smarttelefon >>> >>> Neal Becker skrev >>> >>>> New lenovo X1 carbon. Sometimes boots, sometimes hangs. >>>> >>>> Today tried to boot and repeatly hung, saying >>>> >>>> waitjob for /sysroot >>>> >>>> Sounds pretty scary. >>>> >>>> After repeated attempts, now it is booted OK. >>>> >>>> Tried on latest kernel and also previous 1 or 2. >>>> >>>> Any ideas? >>>> >> >> > >-- >users mailing list >users@lists.fedoraproject.org >To unsubscribe or change subscription options: >https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users >Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct >Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
SV: sometimes boots f21, sometimes hangs
I see the same, also on a x1. Btrfs root and home on mine. Ran nicely since f21 forked from rawhide, but sees this more and more often. I think it started with 3.18 kernels. Same on 3.19.1. Sendt fra min Sony Xperia™-smarttelefon Neal Becker skrev >New lenovo X1 carbon. Sometimes boots, sometimes hangs. > >Today tried to boot and repeatly hung, saying > >waitjob for /sysroot > >Sounds pretty scary. > >After repeated attempts, now it is booted OK. > >Tried on latest kernel and also previous 1 or 2. > >Any ideas? > >-- >-- Those who don't understand recursion are doomed to repeat it > >-- >users mailing list >users@lists.fedoraproject.org >To unsubscribe or change subscription options: >https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users >Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct >Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
SV: sector hard errors
Install the smartmon tools.
Run smartctl -a on the drive. It may tell you something. Has the disk ever been
dropped? Is the "on time" in smart too high compared to when you bought it
(have they sold you a second hand drive)?
Sendt fra min Sony Xperia™-smarttelefon
jd1008 skrev
>Hi all,
>on a new drive, installed about 3 months ago ... fsck shows:
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>Pass 5: Checking group summary information
>[ 117.650425] ata5.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0xc0 SErr 0x0 action 0x0
>[ 117.650678] ata5.00: irq_stat 0x4008
>[ 117.650840] ata5.00: failed command: READ FPDMA QUEUED
>[ 117.651523] ata5.00: cmd 60/80:30:68:08:40/00:00:be:00:00/40 tag 6
>ncq 65536 in
>[ 117.651523] res 41/40:00:b0:08:40/00:00:be:00:00/40 Emask
>0x409 (media error)
>[ 117.652872] ata5.00: status: { DRDY ERR }
>[ 117.653547] ata5.00: error: { UNC }
>[ 117.655604] ata5.00: configured for UDMA/133
>[ 117.655825] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb]
>[ 117.655991] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
>[ 117.656631] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb]
>[ 117.657288] Sense Key : Medium Error [current] [descriptor]
>[ 117.657966] Descriptor sense data with sense descriptors (in hex):
>[ 117.658652] 72 03 11 04 00 00 00 0c 00 0a 80 00 00 00 00 00
>[ 117.659381] be 40 08 b0
>[ 117.660065] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb]
>[ 117.660703] Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed
>[ 117.661349] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] CDB:
>[ 117.661981] Read(10): 28 00 be 40 08 68 00 00 80 00
>[ 117.662667] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 3191867568
>[ 117.663323] ata5: EH complete
>[ 129.095402] ata5.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x300 SErr 0x0
>action 0x0
>[ 129.095663] ata5.00: irq_stat 0x4008
>[ 129.095826] ata5.00: failed command: READ FPDMA QUEUED
>[ 129.096434] ata5.00: cmd 60/00:c0:e8:08:00/01:00:c2:00:00/40 tag 24
>ncq 131072 in
>[ 129.096434] res 41/40:00:90:09:00/00:00:c2:00:00/40 Emask
>0x409 (media error)
>[ 129.097727] ata5.00: status: { DRDY ERR }
>[ 129.098393] ata5.00: error: { UNC }
>[ 129.100528] ata5.00: configured for UDMA/133
>[ 129.100768] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb]
>[ 129.100935] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
>[ 129.101530] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb]
>[ 129.102128] Sense Key : Medium Error [current] [descriptor]
>[ 129.102728] Descriptor sense data with sense descriptors (in hex):
>[ 129.103349] 72 03 11 04 00 00 00 0c 00 0a 80 00 00 00 00 00
>[ 129.103998] c2 00 09 90
>[ 129.104645] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb]
>[ 129.105280] Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed
>[ 129.105911] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] CDB:
>[ 129.106567] Read(10): 28 00 c2 00 08 e8 00 01 00 00
>[ 129.107271] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 3254782352
>[ 129.107954] ata5: EH complete
>
>So, I am puzzled as to how quickly were the spare sectors consumed so that
>automatic sector forwarding ran out os spare sectors? So quickly on a
>brand new drive??
>When someone buys a brand new drive, how many spare sectors is it guaranteed
>to have? ZERO? ONE?? How many?
>
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Re: recommend some info on hot to upgrade from F15 to F16 using preupgrade
usually it's as simple as running updatedb, then locate .rpmnew and fixing up any config file changes that didn't get applied automatically. then run preupgrade, and once the system is up repeat the same procedure to find new .rpmnew files. when a package being updated discovers that some file from the already installed version has been changed, the new file is named with a .rpmnew suffix instead of overwriting your edits. this means that file doesn't get updated until you merge it with your changes manually. when upgrading to a new release it is important to do this merge both before and after since some config files could have changed enough that some service stops working. birger Martín Marqués : >That's all I want (what's in the subject). > >I've had some headaches with preupgrade, basically, I guess, because I >have /var on another partition. > >-- >Martín Marqués >select 'martin.marques' || '@' || 'gmail.com' >DBA, Programador, Administrador >-- >users mailing list >users@lists.fedoraproject.org >To unsubscribe or change subscription options: >https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users >Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: selinux is a pain
Sitat MartÃn Marqués : > I reinstalled (better hardware) a server and had selinux enabled (was > disabled before), and I starting to see why so many people don't use > selinux. > > My question is, how many people are using selinux? > > I, for instance, am about to disable it. It depends a bit. It usually bites if you try to combine web services and other services that need to share a directory. For my home systems, I always keep it on. I have to learn to live with it, as it definitely hardens the operating system. Why not force myself to learn it. I almost never have to touch it. Sometimes I step around selinux problems in messy ways (use a big enough hammer) For servers on protected internal networks at work, I leave it on except on servers where it tends to create problems and other people than me need to understand what is going on. On servers where I turn it off, I often keep it in permissive mode so I can read the logs if I need to. For servers in DMZ zones I keep it on, and I try to find clean and correct solutions to any problems instead of the sledgehammer approach at home. :-) -- birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Version of packages in repository
yum list ??? Sitat Luc MAIGNAN : > Hi, > > When I do a 'yum search', I find the packages available in repository > but not their versions (unless I do a yum install). > > How to find the version of the packages without trying to install them ? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Do a memory test before upgrading to Fedora 15
I think the new kernel uses memory differently compared to the kernels in F14. One system I just upgraded consistently crashed with checksum failures on the RPM packages during the actual install phase. In the end I found my F14 CD and ran memtest86. Massive (really massive) memory failures on a rather new PC that had passed memtest86 just a few months ago when it was built. It had been used with F14 without any big problems until now. Mostly running armacycles and supertuxcart (it's a living room PC for the kids). Since it had crashed halfway through upgrading X wouldn't start. I logged in through ssh with X tunnelling and re-ran preupgrade after removing the offending memory module. I then had to run package-cleanup --cleandupes I would recommend running memtest86 prior to this upgrade just to be safe. You may have defective memory you didn't know about. if you don't have a cd handy, it should be as simple as installing memtest86+ and then run memtest-setup to add it to the grub menu. -- birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F14->F15 after preupgrade boot hang
Sitat Ian Malone : > How far does it get? Do you get to the blue starting screen (the one > with the Fedora logo-shaped progress meter)? Are you able to check the > kernel options in grub and see whether rhgb is there or not (maybe an > issue with nvidia drivers)? Were you using the standard kernel drivers > for your display under F14 (nv/nouveau) or had you installed the > nvidia ones? Also, how long is forever (my laptop had a problem which > caused boot to hang for 5 minutes)? I have seen the same on all systems I have upgraded using preupgrade while F15 was in RC state. It seems to hang completely right after grub with a black screen and the cursor in the upper left corner. Just wait. And wait. In the end it has always recovered and booted normally. I don't see this once F15 is installed. -- birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...
On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 18:58 -0700, Les wrote: > On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 09:25 +0200, birger wrote: > > But if it works and it means > > we (the back-end admins) can continue to override the users wishes and > > provide what they need instead of what they ask for, I'm all for it > > (like when DBA's come with very specific orders detailing raid type and > > stripe width for their data and log volumes and we give them everything > > from our standardized raid 5 pools) > This is one of the issues. You have decided on what they need. You may > be right from the viewpoint of storage, but from the access point you > could be way off the mark. A database's access speed is directly > related to the disk locations of the various fields and structures. > True you have given them storage at minimal cost to you, but what have > you cost the customer? Do you even have a way of benchmarking the > search times you have impacted? Do you truly understand the DBA's tasks > and the amount of data they have to search? As long as I can see that they are never even getting close to hitting the disks, but are working 100% from the raid controller cache I am quite certain I don't have any negative impact on the DB performance. :-) As soon as I see that a particular volume is getting *real* I/O I can move it to faster storage. I can assure you that with DBA literature written for US-scale operations most DBA's in a small country like norway spec their needs as if the user base is bigger than the population... . . . > When you are moving data around, do you examine the lifetime of the > storage, or do you know the level of urgency when when that particular > piece of data is needed or how it should be accessed? These parameters > are the areas I have had to deal with in corporate settings when some IT > person decided I didn't know what I was doing, and was sure they knew > better. I have no direct experience with these tools yet, as the cost has been too high for me to justify them compared to just throwing more disk at the problem. :-) I agree with you that the implications of moving old data around would have to be discussed with the customers. The first use for automated migration of files to slower storage would be users home directories. For application data a careful study is required for each app, as it is impossible for the IT department to make the kind of guesses you mention. For now, I have very good results with just enabling deduplication on the home directories. At least it takes care of multiple copies of files. My hope would be that with a pressure on storage vendors to support cloud api's it would become easier to do this kind of migration without todays price tag. I can hope, can't i? > > > > For VM's this is great. More openness would mean that it would become > > more feasible to run multiple physical farms. One VMware farm > > (production servers, HA and/or FT support, etc), one farm based on free > > software for development and testing, perhaps one hyper-v if you have a > > volume agreement with m$ that makes this cheaper for your windows > > vm's... If I can have one console to manage them all, move vm's around > > and so on I would be very happy. > What happens in a parallel processing situation when you move the VM? > If the IP address changes, the tight binding of resources will be > disturbed, and that will result in a web search to find the new > location, rebuild the linkages, and what happens to the computation > while that is going on? I would expect downtime while migrating between different platforms. As in shut down the VM, migrate, boot. As long as you move within the internal cloud(s) your network infrastructure will hopefully let you keep the same IP and so on. Migrating to external cloud is more disruptive. Of course you can use NAT-like techniques to mask the fact that the service has moved. At some point in the future the network cloud service could do this automagically. For now, moving services between different internal service levels would be easier than crossing the border to the external cloud. If you run one 'cheap' virtualisation farm for development and initial testing, then clone to the production farm for acceptance testing and production downtime during migration shouldn't be a problem. > > For networking it seems a bit cloudy yet how this will work out. There > > are so many security implications. > > Precisely!! Not to mention the transfer of responsibility and > accountability. And the possibly biggest bummer is that responsibility and accountability suddenly become very vague terms. When services run in external clouds the internal IT department cannot anymore offer a complete responsibility. Customer beware. > &
Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...
On Mon, 2010-07-19 at 22:27 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: > Dear fellow Fedora users, > > In light of the other(s) Big Distro makers, Red Hat is also taking a look at > not staying behind. Here's an article that might be of interest: > > http://press.redhat.com/2010/07/12/red-hat-introduces-cloud-consulting-services-as-part-of-cloud-foundations-edition-one/ > > Hope that is is not offensive and is not taken against anyone in particular. > The cloud computing is a topic that I believe should have more input and > while I am opposed to it, I like for others to take a look at this lively > topic. > > See more and other topics of interest at Distrowatch Weekly > > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20100719 My personal view is that I see cloud computing on several levels. On the top level, there is the ability to easily move your data and/or computing/networking needs around in the cloud. If your users are allowed to host services in the external cloud you should strive to also offer an internal one. The cloud starts in your own server room. One example is an app we run that gets feeds from multiple webcams around town, processes them, and streams them to web browsers. The web portal runs on our own servers. The streaming of all those camera feeds would put a load on our internet connection, so we moved that application to the amazon cloud. The service running on that VM is public. Anyone can see the data live anyway, so there is no security implication. We get that load moved away from our own networks and firewalls. On a lower level, I see cloud services as API's and ABI's that enable us to manage resources in vendor-independent manners. For storage, this may finally give us what Sun tried to do many years ago with java-based management services for storage. One interface? One that is focused on provisioning, and not on technical details of the back-end? Still sounds too good to be true. But if it works and it means we (the back-end admins) can continue to override the users wishes and provide what they need instead of what they ask for, I'm all for it (like when DBA's come with very specific orders detailing raid type and stripe width for their data and log volumes and we give them everything from our standardized raid 5 pools) There are tools today that enable me to move data around between different storage systems without the user noticing. This enables migration of old data to cheaper storage and so on. The problem is that I then have to handle several storage systems potentially from different vendors and with completely different interfaces. On top of that we get yet another service that remaps the logical view of the storage. There is a limit to how many different systems I can grok. The software also gets expensive. If the cloud services will help me do this with one interface at a reasonable price I will be very happy. If the cloud interface has to sit on top of all this it will just add expenses. For VM's this is great. More openness would mean that it would become more feasible to run multiple physical farms. One VMware farm (production servers, HA and/or FT support, etc), one farm based on free software for development and testing, perhaps one hyper-v if you have a volume agreement with m$ that makes this cheaper for your windows vm's... If I can have one console to manage them all, move vm's around and so on I would be very happy. For networking it seems a bit cloudy yet how this will work out. There are so many security implications. If I open up the possibility for my internal customers to host computing services in the external cloud, I would like to make sure everything they order has to be verified against company security policies. Those security policies will also need a rewrite to accommodate these new services. Conclusion? Cloud services are very interesting. The potential implications on interoperability within my own server room? That's the big one. Will it just add to the complexity, or is this so hyped up now that everybody will support new standards at a low level so we can actually simplify internal operations? Will it ever become what the hype promises? Nobody believes that, I think... -- birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: User password trouble - SOLVED -
On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 12:32 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: > > The keyboard has failed! > > Typing the password characters after the root prompt shows one key > does nothing, not even a blank space! :-D I got bitten by the same problem. Too bad I didn't see this thread earlier. I had changed my password, and suddenly I was unable to log in from any system except the one I used while changing. Neither the old or the new password worked on any other system. I finally thought of checking the keyboard on the system I used when changing the password, and it turned out one character I almost never used (I mostly type email and shell programs on that system) didn't work... Turning it upside-down and shaking it was enough to clear up the problem. The password with a missing character was actually even more difficult to crack, and quite easy to remember after that episode, so it was kept for a long time :-) birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Speech to text
Cmu sphinx seems to be alive and kicking as well. It used to have sunlabs supporting the project. Not sure what that means now that oracle runs the show. Sphinx 4 is a java project. According to sun it outperforms native code in some respects for this kind of application. "Petrus de Calguarium" wrote: >RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA wrote: > >> Is there any software available which can can convert speech to text? > >I use tts, the reverse of what you want, so I found this very interesting and >briefly searched the web. I located a lot of dead projects, mostly dating from >the late 1990s, however, 2 projects appear to stand out: > >CMU Sphinx (Carnegie Melon University Sphinx) - no rpms available, just >tarballs and I don't know how usable it is > >Simon (a future kde accessability application that appears to be seeing some >progress) - no rpms available, but some indication that it might already be >somewhat usable > >I didn't check, but I don't think there is any ASR (automatic speech >recognition -- this appears to be the term usually used to describe this type >of software) or speech-to-text software in the Fedora/rpmfusion repositories. > > >-- >users mailing list >users@lists.fedoraproject.org >To unsubscribe or change subscription options: >https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users >Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: AD Alternative - 389 Directory Server and Samba 4
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 09:50 +0530, Rahul Tidke wrote: > Hello, > I have Just read the article "open source alternative for Active Directory" > (fedora news) at > http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/the-open-source-revolution-10014902/open-source > -alternative-for-active-directory-10017931/ and it looks really promising. I > wonder what is the difference between this project (389DS) and samba 4 which > is also coming up with active directory support and this too will be an > alternative for MS-AD. > > Can you please focus on this and if someone is really looking for an open > source alternative for AD then which will be a better choice 389DS or Samba? 389 is not a drop-in replacement for AD. 389 is a very powerful LDAP-server. AD is LDAP + Kerberos + some M$ ingredients. Samba 4 can use external LDAP-servers as their directory back-end, and it supports 389 as far as I have read. What this means is that you can move all your directory structure into 389, and use 389 as the back-end for everything that speaks LDAP. Then add Samba as an additional layer for AD-compatibility, still using 389 as the directory. I have by no means tested this, but it looks very nice on paper at least. -- birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OT: Autocorrection in OOo 3.1.1 and shortcut for navigating in Firefox when zoomed in
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 16:25 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote: > Is there a keyboard shortcut to navigate to the right of the screen > when zoomed in? Always using the bottom scrollbar is a pain. If your mouse has right/left 'tilt' of the scroll wheel that works fine. Just tested it with my Logitech G7. birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SSH / permissions problem
On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 16:49 +0100, Gary Stainburn wrote: > [g...@dcomp5 ~]$ ssh -Y -C lcomp3 > g...@lcomp3's password: > Last login: Tue Jul 13 15:55:16 2010 from gary.ringways.co.uk > /usr/bin/xauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/gary/.Xauthority > [g...@lcomp3 ~]$ kcalc > X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. > kcalc: cannot connect to X server localhost:11.0 > [g...@lcomp3 ~]$ Usually, the problem is that xauth isn't installed. Here, you seem to have xauth, but xauth is unable to lock the ~/.Xauthority file. I would try removing that file and retrying. Removing it could affect existing X sessions on that host, but being a virtual system I assume you are not logged in on the console. The next ssh should then recreate the file with only a cookie for the ssh session. birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Q about swap size
On Sun, 2010-07-11 at 22:59 -0400, Robert Myers wrote: > It all depends on how you want to use your time. If you want to > re-tweak your system with every new release, I suppose that's one > option. Sometimes there are sentimental reasons to keep old equipment running. The Armada has been running linux since RedHat 6. It's still as slim and lightweight as any affordable new PC. Of course screen resolution is poor, and batteries are a problem... But it does the job. > If you want a solution that doesn't depend on constantly proving your > Linux manhood, consider: > > 1. A light-weight desktop, or You know these new NetBook thingies? Guess what. Gnome has adapted to them. After all, Moblin, a desktop designed for NetBooks, is based on the Gnome framework. The Gnome framework is not as heavyweight as people often claim. It used to be a really bad resource hog, but that was a long time ago. There isn't actually much that I do on my old bangers. Mostly, it's a matter of tweaking the GUI on laptops with little screen real estate. Reducing font sizes and so on. That also goes for modern NetBooks, so it's not really specific to old hardware. For both desktops and laptops, remove the most obvious resource hogs in the UI department. Try removing background images, gradient-filled borders and so on. Moving frame only when moving a window. Small things that may have a big impact depending on your hardware. Most of the tweaking on old systems has nothing to do with the desktop environment. Use noatime mount option to reduce I/O load. Stop the sendmail daemon, pcscd and all other services you don't need... All that stuff has to be done no matter what desktop you run. And it should be done also on new and fast PC's as it reduces the vulnerability of a system. Not only with respect to attacks, but also software bugs that could make some unused service become a resource hog. -- birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Q about swap size
On Sun, 2010-07-11 at 11:10 -0500, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > top - 10:43:15 up 2 days, 6 min, 5 users, load average: 8.62, 6.84, > 6.26 > Tasks: 244 total, 7 running, 237 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie > Cpu(s): 60.7%us, 23.5%sy, 9.2%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 5.4%hi, > 1.3%si, 0.0%st > Mem:509800k total, 502624k used, 7176k free,16280k > buffers > Swap: 1048568k total, 317372k used, 731196k free, 101944k > cached You most certainly have something bogging down the system. top - 01:45:28 up 2 days, 2:06, 2 users, load average: 0.34, 0.69, 1.01 Tasks: 163 total, 1 running, 162 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): 8.6%us, 5.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 86.0%id, 0.3%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st Mem:509908k total, 493208k used,16700k free, 6464k buffers Swap: 2097144k total, 108544k used, 1988600k free, 128324k cached This is my Intel P4 system with 512MB RAM. I have tweaked Gnome a bit to make it leaner, like no gradients on window frames and so on. Nothing that you would really notice. I now have a terminal window, Evolution and Firefow (2 windows, >10 tabs) up and running. As you can see from the numbers, my system runs this load just fine. I'm low on buffers compared to you even if I have more available memory. Does that mean you have some process doing I/O? With a load average of 8 something must be running in the background. I don't think your slower CPU can take the blame for so many processes stacking up. I have a Compaq Armada M300 or something like that in a closet. It has F12 or F13 installed, and ran spotify in wine without dropouts. Using Gnome. Linux still rocks on old equipment once you disable the cpu and memory hogs. I don't really see the need for killing gnome. -- birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Missing ephiphany plugin?
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 14:33 -0400, Steve Blackwell wrote: > Perhaps it is because no one cares? Epiphany wouldn't exist if nobody cared. I guess it's just that epiphany isn't used by a lot of those who frequent this mailing list. There don't seem to be any epiphany maintainers here either. bz it ( http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs_and_feature_requests ). That will reach the Fedora package maintainer. Or go upstream to find the epiphany developers. http://projects.gnome.org/epiphany/ birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Server hangs
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 15:22 +0530, Srinivasan wrote: > We have installed Fedora Linux 8.0 on our server and we have a web > based application running on DB MySql. The server hangs very > frequently(atleast once a day). All operations come to stand still > including the keyboard and mouse etc.. We need to hard boot the system > again to make the server up and running. First of all, Fedora is not a linux distro I would recommend for a server unless you really, really need to run bleeding-edge software on your server. Fedora releases often, with very short support for old releases. I would recommend centos.org as the place to find a server-oriented distribution that is based on Fedora. If you ever need to run a commercially supported linux on your server, the step from CentOS to Red Hat Enterprise Server (RHEL) is very short. They are mostly identical, apart from the need for a support license for RHEL. Combined with your claim that you run Fedora 8 I don't see the reason for running Fedora at all. Fedora 8 is a long time obsoleted version. There is no support for it anymore. Either install CentOS 5.5 for a system with a long-term support and excellent stability or Fedora 13 for the latest and greatest bleeding-edge release with frequent updates. If you still have the same problem (I would guess not), please come back, telling wether you can still ping the server and/or log in to it remotely with ssh (remember to enable the ssh service before it hangs). -- birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem
I recently installed F13 on a system with nForce 4 chipset. It consistently failed when trying to boot x86_64. Both from USB stick and from live CD. I didn't try x86_64 install DVD. Instead I fell back to a USB memory stick with i686 live instead, and it worked just fine. I see you are also trying with a nForce based motherboard. Have you tried x86_64 or i686? I don't really think you are seeing the same problem that I have, as my system fails before getting up the graphical interface from the live environment. It fails with filesystem decompression errors, both from CD and memory stick. -- birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: A virus scanner on linux for windows partition
On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 09:22 -0700, JD wrote: > So far, clamav has not found anything in the mounted windows partition. > That could be good news or bad news :) :) Systems running windows from an infected disk are often unable to find the infection, as the infection often installs a root kit that hides the infection from the virus scanner. When you boot linux and scan the disk using clamav you have a good chance of finding infections that even expensive anti virus apps running on the infected windows system couldn't find. I have several times found infections on running windows systems by remotely mounting their C: drive (the C$ share) on my linux box and running clamav on them. That way I can check them without downtime. How does the infection get past the windows anti-virus? It could either be something new that wasn't detected yet when you got infected. Or (as in my case) systems that need to have anti-virus disabled for certain data directories and applications because of performance problems. Combine that with a need to allow connections to that same app from the internet... Recipe for infections. I usually find 3 different 'hits' on infected systems, and when looking up the signatures on the web I usually find that one is the component that initially infected the system. That one then downloads and installs a root kit to hide itself, and then a backdoor to offer services. -- birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Linux Games for Kids
One game (well, sort of) that I forgot. http://info.scratch.mit.edu/Linux_Installer scratch is a programming environment rather close to the one bundled with lego robotics (guess where the software for the lego stuff originated from). I have had great fun designing simple games like pong or frogger from scratch with my kids. We have designed simple bits first (logo-like drawings of flowers) and then moved on to stuff moving about the screen. Rewriting pong and frogger was actually rather simple, and even kids understand the simple logics needed for those games. Understanding the logic of the game also makes it great fun for them to play it. It's 'their' game. scratch runs on top of the squeak vm, and squeak-vm is available in your standard repos. It's been a while since I installed it, so I don't quite remember how I loaded scratch into my squeak. I should retry it on F13, as I see the squeak-vm has changed quite a bit. At least the packaging. -- birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Linux Games for Kids
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 05:35 -0400, Chris Kloiber wrote: > Should it be a problem? No. Have I tried a joystick since Red Hat 7.x... > No. Did it work then... Not for me. I can assure you that a *lot* has happened with device support since RedHat 7.x. Especially that all those deep-down changes that tended to knock out a lot of older device drivers years ago until they got rewritten for new frameworks have paid off. It seems to be a lot easier these days to integrate support for new hardware without specialized kernel drivers that have to be accepted. Some time ago I tested 2 brand new web cameras. I wasn't too surprised to find that a brand new MS HD webcam worked out of the box, but that a very brand new Tandberg high-end HD Web Cam also worked without any hassle was a surprise. I walked by our photographers and borrowed the Eizo color calibrator that came with their high-end photo screens, and it worked straight out of the box on F13, letting me get the same colors on my external and internal screens on this laptop. Bluetooth keyboards, bluetooth headsets... stuff that requires a driver installation hell on that other OS... Just plug and play on F13. I would say buy the wheel and test. If it doesn't work file a RFE for the driver and be prepared to help out with log files. Cheap no-brand devices very often follow the blueprints from the hardware manufacturers very closely, so the chances are very good that it will work. Perhaps only with the addition of the wheel's USB identifiers to the driver. Tuxkart is very unstable while configuring the controls for my wheel. I have to set only a few controls at the time, saving and exiting. I often have to retry several times, as setting the key to control one action sometimes leads to some other setting going bonkers. Once that fight is done the wheel works fine. It would actually be nice if apps like tuxkart, tuxtype, tuxracer ++ had some command line option to go into a 'kids' mode where configuration settings 'disappeared'. I guess your kids are like mine. They just have to test any menu option... -- birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Linux Games for Kids
On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 05:53 -0400, Chris Kloiber wrote: > On 07/02/2010 01:08 AM, birger wrote: > Ok. Steering Wheel w/linux support? > > Do tell! Uhmm? Should that be a problem? Seriously, I am amazed at the amount of peripherals that just work with Fedora 13. I use a Logitech steering wheel without any problems. My no-brand 3-axis+tophat USB joystick works just fine. I have not tried the Xbox gamepads with linux yet, but since they work fine with Windows I just expect them to work on Linux as well. -- birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Linux Games for Kids
I have kids in that range myself, and these are the results of the jury: Get a wheel and start with tuxkart. It seems to be the biggest hit for kids that age on my linux game pc (rather old pc with decent graphics card and hi-res 24" screen). Then there is tuxracer/ppracer/whatever. Great game that keeps changing name. Tuxpaint is one that will keep them quiet for long periods. Tuxtyping has also been popular for limited periods. Run with single letters it helps them learn the keyboard layout so it could be worth the hassle for helping them into the game. Xmoto is also one to try. A browser with flash and a quick search for the simple dress-up and coloring games would make you popular. -- birger Typed on my cellphone so any non-conformity with regard to posting rules can be blamed on my mailer -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Native ZFS in Fedora?
On Sun, 2010-06-27 at 14:28 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > Hopefully with Sun now owned by Oracle the political reasons to create > such licence incompatibilities are gone. It still leaves the NetApp > patent spat with Sun to sort out. But beyond that hopefully Oracle will > see sense depending how btrfs and zfs fit into their strategy. I assume Oracle would like to merge zfs with their cluster file system... I am not certain they would like to make that product open source. -- birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 - Advanced Volume control
On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 22:57 +0200, Federico Marziali wrote: > I tried to play also with the different parameters available through > the command 'alsamixer -c0', but without success...any hints? In alsamixer, press F6 to list all soundcards and see if there are any cards there that pulseaudio doesn't handle properly. My Logitech USB headset has this kind of problem. I always have to use alsamixer to find it and turn up the volume. It appears as a separate soundcard when I press F6 in alsamixer. The numbering of the soundcards has varied, so I gave up on the -c syntax. -- birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: About fedoras evolution?
On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 09:35 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Agreed, but it's worth mentioning that CentOS tracks RHEL releases and > is available at no cost (and consequently no paid support). As my boss said it when I presented the budget forecast for my RHEL licenses; "It's less than the rounding errors in our other license budgets". Paying for basic support for RHEL should not be a problem. Actually, my biggest motivation for running CentOS on development and test servers is to avoid the technical part of the licensing hassle. And of course I run CentOS at home. -- birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Network monitoring tool: any other/better than Nagios in the trend?
You could look at centreon. It wraps nagios with data logging to sql, graphing, and web based configuration. I especially like the graphs that pop up on mouseover. -- birger Typed on my cellphone so any non-conformity with regard to posting rules can be blamed on my mailer -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to find a needle in a haystack?
On Wed, 2010-05-19 at 15:40 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2010-05-19 at 14:07 -0400, arag...@dcsnow.com wrote: > > The data in the files is of the unstructured binary type. When I do a > > search, I have _most_ of the file name. Enough to uniquely identify > > it. > > So you don't need to look into the file to get a match? Sounds like the > best procedure would just be to keep an index of all the filenames and > update it when files are added/removed (assuming you have control over > both of these processes). A simple database should be able to handle > this easily, which is pretty much what you suggested yourself. In fact > it looks so simple that a Berkeley DB file would do it, without needing > all the fancy DB machinery or MySQL or Postgres. See for example "man > DB_File". Is there any reason to not use the already existing updatedb/locate combo? The fedora updatedb seems to be based on mlocate, which as far as I know uses the mtime of directories to tell if a directory has changed since the last scan (mtime of the directory will change if files have been added or deleted). This should speed up runs unless a lot of directories change between runs. You can disable the default updatedb configuration and run it manually (or in cron jobs) specifying one file system for each job. Let them run in parallel with output to separate bases. Then globally set the environment variable to tell locate where to look so it finds all the bases. Look at the man pages for updatedb, updatedb.conf locate and mlocate.db. The last one is very optional. -- birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Disc failure on a software RAID system has killed everything
Remember that if you use old ATA disks, the slave often gets completely braindead if the master on the same chain dies. Because of this, your boot device should be striped over two master disks (on 2 different chains of course). If this is your case (striping over slave and master on the same chain) I would try with a physically sound disk to replace the failed drive so the slave should work again, and check that only the slave has an active, bootable partition. -- birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 Delayed-Please Include OpenOffice On LiveCD...
On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 22:46 +0100, Sam Sharpe wrote: > On 18 May 2010 22:34, birger wrote: > > The larger image would presumably be the > > one installed on the 2 toolbox memory sticks I usually carry around (one > > 32-bit and one 64-bit). > > This intrigued me... > > Why specifically do you need both a 32 bit and 64 bit set of tools? > I'm not saying you don't (at this stage ;o), but I've always found > that carrying just a 32bit set of tools around is sufficient for all > my immediate needs... I sometimes use the LiveUSB stick to install systems from scratch, and most fresh installs I do are 64-bit. :-) -- birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 Delayed-Please Include OpenOffice On LiveCD...
On Wed, 2010-05-19 at 02:11 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > The Live CD has already been finalized. There will no such changes at > this point. Fedora includes very comprehensive locale support and we > opted to not include Openoffice.org because of that. However the > desktop team is considered doing a Live DVD and perhaps you will see > that in the next release. How about: A LiveCD image that can be installed to memory stick like today, but detects the presence of more disk (overlay mount) and offers to add any missing packages needed to bring it up to ... The LiveUSB / LiveDVD (Lets face it, memory sticks are a better target than DVD's) image. This would be the image I would expect to include a complete OpenOffice.org, vym, dia, evolution with evolution-mapi, empathy/telepathy with a working purple-sipe extension and so on, as well as the full complement of multimedia apps, games, development tools... I would see the LiveCD image as the toolbox when you need a quick download, install on any kind of optical or memory stick media, and then extend with whatever you need. The larger image would presumably be the one installed on the 2 toolbox memory sticks I usually carry around (one 32-bit and one 64-bit). -- birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: First NFS entry in fstab not mounting at boot
Have you tried the bg mount option? It should background any mount that fails and retry periodically. man nfs -- birger Typed on my cellphone so any non-conformity with regard to posting rules can be blamed on my mailer -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: First NFS entry in fstab not mounting at boot
The chkconfig line within the rc script only specifies the default priorities. Turning the service off and on again will correctly change the actual priority to the current default. Chkconfig also has a resetpriorities option that does the same ting. I would not change the script. If you want to run a job at non-default priority create an override file. And please read the chkconfig man page. -- birger Typed on my cellphone so any non-conformity with regard to posting rules can be blamed on my mailer -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sophos Anti Virus
jdow said > I rather like to trade the flip-flops for > the holey socks and worn out boots > for that little bit extra warmth if I'm > going to hike a mile or two. The analogy kind of breaks down since I would prefer a pair of worn out boots to even a brand new one for a long hike. I'm sitting at 1800m altitude getting ready for a hike to 2469m on the 17th. And my boots are brand new... More seriously, my main reason for running AntiVirus software is that it would be very bad for my professional image if I passed on a virus. Any nastiness coming in should stop here. -- birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: X11 forward in F12
On Wed, 2010-05-12 at 11:15 -0700, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Wednesday 12 May 2010 08:55 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Tue, 11 May 2010 21:42:35 -0700 > > Suvayu Ali wrote: > > > >> I think the man page for ssh is a little misleading (mis-worded > >> maybe?). I posted the relevant section from `man 5 ssh_config' in > >> another message to this thread. That seems to imply otherwise. > >> > >> I'm not at all well versed in anything X, given the above mentioned > >> doc would you still think its better to use -X over -Y? > > > > Yes. > > > > Only use -Y if -X doesn't work, or you are in a isolated/trusted env > > where you know no one else will ever have access to the machine you are > > connecting to. ;) > > > > At least that would be my advice. > > > > Okay, thanks for the response. :) I'll see whether this affects my use > case for ssh (usually its some remote server with _no_ physical access > to anyone). I would like to clarify one thing. This isn't about physical access. If you use -Y then no access controls apply. That is, X apps do not have to identify themselves to the server using a secret from your .Xauthority file. Anyone logged into the remote system can set DISPLAY to point to your socket and listen in to everything going on in your X server. They can mirror windows to their own screen, grab all keyboard input, etc... If you cannot get -X to work it may be as simple as the xauth command not being installed at the remote end. sshd needs to run xauth to push the authentication secret into the .Xauthority file. When ssh'ing between systems with a common home directory the file is there already, so a missing xauth may not really matter. -- birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: only output the nth line
On Wed, 2010-05-12 at 20:07 +0300, Rares Aioanei wrote:
> You can try some awk, methinks; I don't remeber how
> to do it, but I say it's a good direction.
awk 'NR == 1 || NR == 2 || NR == 4 { print }' < file.txt
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Re: OpenOffice Should Be Included On Version 13 LiveCD...
On Wed, 2010-05-12 at 13:26 +0100, Michal wrote: > On 12/05/2010 13:06, Jesse Palser wrote: > > OpenOffice Should Be Included On Version 13 LiveCD... > > > > Hi, > > > > Booted Fedora 13 RC#2 LiveCD, > > and was very disappointed that > > OpenOffice was not a default program. > > > > I am hoping that the Final version > > will have OpenOffice on it? > > > > Jesse > > > > > > Why? It's huge and lots of people will not want it by default...maybe an > option to install it, but not a default Apart from the problem that I didn't manage to get F13RC2 to become bootable on my memory stick when installing with LiveUSB Creator, it should be easy to install the live image on a 2GB memory stick (or bigger) adding an overlay big enough to hold OpenOffice. Perhaps on first boot the live image could detect the overlay and offer installation of an extended application set? birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to sync files on external hard disk and laptop running on F12
On Fri, 2010-05-07 at 11:49 +0530, RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA wrote: > hello every one, > > 1. How to sync files on external hard disk and laptop running on F12? For one way sync (use USB drive as backup device) I assume there are graphical interfaces to rsync or rdist that can be used. For 2 way sync (disk and laptop may both have been modified between syncs) I would look at unison. It's a kind of 2-way rsync that asks what to do if the same file has been updated on both sides. Sadly, I see that unison isn't being tracked at the latest release in f12, but there are packages called unison213 and unison227. I would try the unison227 package. I have used unison for syncing one folder in my home dir across multiple systems. That way I can drop files I want generally accessible (at work, at home, on the road, etc) into that folder and sync with what I consider my master copy. I can then sync any other of my pc's with the master and access the files offline after the sync. Much like the microsoft suitcase thing. -- birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Grandtec Key-3000
On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 02:54 -0400, Jameson wrote: > Has anyone ever used a Grandtec Key-3000? I'm trying to get one set > up, but have had no luck, and can't find any information out there. > It's a wireless keyboard and trackball. I thought it would be seen as > just a USB keyboard and mouse, but so far, it doesn't do anything. > Any ideas? You would have to provide at least what happens in dmesg when you plug it in. Preferrably also lsusb output for the device. It may be completely different from the only similar keyboard I have used, but anyway; The diNovo Edge works nicely when plugged into F12. The USB plug gets identified as a keyboard and mouse, but not as a bluetooth radio. This way it can be used even before a user has logged in and bluetooth becomes operative. On a laptop you can attach the diNovo Edge as a normal bluetooth keyboard/mouse without using the included USB dongle. Of course you then have to log in using the laptop keyboard before you can switch. If your keyboard is similar, I guess all that is needed is to get the plug recognized as a keyboard/mouse provider. Post a little more info and I am sure you can get help. birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [OT] Deafening silence
On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 18:46 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 00:53 +0200, birger wrote: > > I tried it years ago, and it was very unstable with severe memory > > leaks so if I managed to keep it up for a few days it would slow down > > my pc to a crawl. > > Just curious. Do you keep the Evolution program window running all the > time, or do you exit the program when doing reading? Exit my email client? Are you out of your mind? ;-) It's always up and running, usually on at least 2 PC's simultaneously. Since evolution-mapi is far from being usable for me yet, I run outlook from citrix, so that one I shut down every day. Evolution is up while the laptop suspends and wakes up between different subnets each day. birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [OT] Deafening silence
On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 20:38 +0100, mike cloaked wrote: > Just to chime in here - I had abandoned Evo too some years ago but I > was recently trying various mail clients again to see how things have > changed. That is how it was for me as well. I tried it years ago, and it was very unstable with severe memory leaks so if I managed to keep it up for a few days it would slow down my pc to a crawl. A while back I decided to give it a new try after having been a thunderbird enthusiast for years. For my IMAP accounts it seems to be very stable and fast. So good that I have actually switched to evolution on all of my systems. For MAPI/exchange accounts it keeps getting better, but there are lots of issues. I keep testing it whenever I have time to do a little bug reporting, and my bugs actually keep getting picked up and worked on. birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: ogm video
On Tue, 2010-03-30 at 21:24 +1030, Tim wrote: > The latter may be a bit hard when dealing with Windows files, as that > platform is lagging behind in using 64-bit. >From what I have seen, 2008 may be the last server version of windows with a 32-bit version of the os, so I guess app vendors should hurry up getting their 64-bit support done... I am not 100% certain about this, I once saw a matrix hinting that 32-bit apps would have to run in 32-bit compatibility mode in future server operating systems. If they are killing 32-bit server support now, how long until they do the same for desktop? Especially since 32-bit windows can't really use more memory than 3GB. My guess is that microsoft will drop 32-bit versions of windows very soon. After all, both the OS and the apps have always been memory hogs. That will not change. For Vista you really need more memory than the 32-bit version can handle. The relevant question for this list would be: Can we use 64-bit windows codecs with our 64-bit linux apps? birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Jobulator
On Thu, 2010-03-18 at 15:12 -0700, AnneMarie Robinson wrote: > Does anyone know how to install Jobulator (finds jobs for substitute > teachers)? > >From the jobulator FAQ (under What operating systems will Jobulator run on?): "Jobulator will also not run on Linux." Jobulator needs Yahoo! Widgets installed in order to run. Yahoo! Widgets is only available for Windows and MacOS. Your only options are to either experiment with installation of Yahoo! Widgets and jobulator under wine or just install VirtualBox and run a virtual machine with windows. The latter option kind of defeats the purpose of a widget. birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Charging USB devices with Fedora
Sitat Ambrogio : > 5. I tried with 2 laptop Laptops often have problems charging USB devices. Look very closely at all USB ports. If any of them have a small '+' symbol along with the USB logo that port is equipped with power. Or read the technical specs for your laptops. I have seen some Sony Ericsson phones as well as iPods that refused to charge from Windows desktops that didn't have the appropriate drivers installed. With linux on the same hardware they charged happily. -- birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: gmpc sound not working
On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 10:13 -0700, Wendell Nichols wrote: > Auh! I finally understand! The people who wrote the mpd (music > player daemon) and the clients created a fully networked architecture > for playing music where the DAEMON PLAYS THE MUSIC! > This is not streaming media at all. The daemon has to be on your local > machine which completely defeats the purpose of consolidating your music > on a central server. I started all this because playing music off nfs > mounts caused all sorts of problems when I put my laptop on and off the > docking station (network interruption and nfs problems galore!). > I can't for the life of me imagine why anyone would set out to architect > it this way but its usless to me :( In 'landscape' type offices it is ideal. Instead of everyone playing their own music, people forgetting to turn off the music when they go, etc... Set up one system with decent speakers and mpd. Then everyone can add music to the queue, pause it when needed (boss on the phone) and so on. Ideal for any setting where you want one dedicated system to power the music but distributed control. Not what you wanted. Wrong tool :-) birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: partition customization ....how do I ???
On Thu, 2010-03-04 at 10:35 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > What disk docs? The only thing they put in the box these days is the legal > disclaimers. As for the bios, well, its an ASUS, what can I say. The latest > bios update took 3 burns before it worked right. Most resellers only push OEM-packaged disks, as customers want them cheap. OEM means it's packaged for customers who don't need the manual. You have to download it yourself. No big problem, is it? > First error, recommending DD. It will not allow a /boot partition to exceed > 199 megabytes. My present, and fully functional /boot is 400. And its 56% > used. I should to some housekeeping I guess. Delete the old 2.6.32 kernels, > they are so old hat in 2010. I just installed RHEL 5.4 today. It let me set up a 400MB /boot without any problem. I have never had any problem tweaking /boot to any desired size. > > It will not allow swap to be the next partition, in order to put it on a > faster area of the disk. To DD, swap must be on the center of the disk, its > slowest possible position. I could go on, but its coals to newcastle on this > list. That depends on how your system uses swap. I prefer mine not to. Just add enough memory :-) If you must swap, get a nice SSD drive for that. > Some folks forget that not all of us are escapees from the M$ camp. I was > carving code for an RCA 1802 in the late 70's, and by the mid-80's had > 'graduated' to a multi-user, multi-tasking os, writing what I needed in > several languages including assembly. We old-timers must not forget that times are a-changing. Hardware evolves. Old truths die. We must never think that just because we had the answers yesterday we still have them today. Me, I think that keeping my system simple enough that I can upgrade often gives me better performance than trying to tweak everything. Let there be as few surprises for the updates as possible. On my netbooks, F11 and F12 have been definitive improvements over F10. On my far more powerful laptop with SSD the readahead stuff took the time from grub starts until login screen is ready to < 10 seconds. Thats faster than vista wakes from hibernation on the same hardware. I prefer spending my energy going forward instead of fighting old bugs. birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: partition customization ....how do I ???
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 22:47 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > In this case, same motherboard, same sata0 connector. This board has 6 or 7 > sata ports. 4 in use ATM. But not the same drive, right? So I wouldn't exclude the rather obvious explanations that the drive could be slower, failing or that the drive could be set to some 'compatibility mode' geometry through jumpers that yielded a non-optimal file system. Another possible culprit would be the cables. I think that blaming diskdruid for this kind of speed difference without actually considering the more obvious possibilities is a bit weird. Did you repartition your slow disk manually and rsync back to see if you got it faster? Errors in file system layout on old (slow) disks *can* make a big difference. One problem is that some disks have been set up to lie about their real geometry in order to work with an old BIOS. Optimizing a file system layout for such a disk would be impossible without knowing the details of how the disk maps the advertised geometry to the real one. Check your disk documentation and use the optimal jumper settings if your BIOS can handle it. When you really know what is going on right down to the platter you can optimize a lot. I wrote my own program to low-level format floppies on my BBC B back in the mists of time. 30% speed increase for sequential IO. :-) For the case you refer to I would still first check and recheck the configuration of that disk, and then try a fresh F12 install. And I would just use the default DD partitioning. If the disk really is weird enough that DD can't optimize for it I would just buy a new disk. They are so cheap these days I wouldn't bother spending much time on it. birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OT: ISPs: Linux's role nowadays
On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 08:11 -0800, Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: > That's the whole reason that Red Hat actually does good business by > charging such a collossal price for Red Hat Enterprise Linux. According to my boss the license costs for my RHEL servers are less than the rounding errors in the other license costs. Mainly Microsoft and Adobe. I wouldn't call RedHat licenses expensive. If only linux had the collaboration features of LiveMeeting or the upcoming Office 2010 suite... Apart from my inability to join LiveMeeting meetings noone at the office would know that I am running Linux. Our annual license costs pr windows pc are 3 times the price of the PC itself. Have you seen the price tag on a fully redundant MS Exchange server? Not only the price for the exchange software on the individual nodes, but to run in a cluster configuration you *must* run the enterprise version of the OS. And the enterprise version of windows server is *expensive*. Our license guy chokes whenever someone claims they *must* have windows enterprise on a server. You think SharePoint is cheap? Count in the Client Access Licenses and you may change your mind. And then there is Adobe software. Very expensive, and a hell to administer especially if you use roaming profiles. I am about to start 'upgrading' some of the servers doing automated PDF processing using Adobe Indesign to CentOS servers running GraphicsMagic. I expect the result to be faster, more stable, and a *lot* cheaper even if we switch to RHEL. birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: how to know if I'm using xterm or gnome-terminal?
On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 19:07 -0300, Germán A. Racca wrote: > On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 17:06 -0500, Jake Peavy wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Germán A. Racca > > wrote: > > I'm running a program called IRAF to work with astronomical > > images, and > > it needs to use the graphic capabilities of an xterm, not > > gnome-terminal. So, I'm trying to make a very simple script to > > start > > IRAF, but first I have to know if I'm on an xterm (so it > > enters directly > > to IRAF) or a gnome-terminal (in this case the script must > > open an xterm > > before). ppid=`grep "^PPid:" /proc/$$/status | sed -e "s/^PPid:[\t ]*//"` name=`grep "^Name:" /proc/$ppid/status | sed -e "s/^Name:[\t ]*//"` echo $name Of course there are still potential errors. The parent of the shell may not be the terminal. You could check, and if the parent is xterm run in the terminal. if it is anything else, start it in a new xterm. You will then get a new xterm if people are logged in remotely or escaping out from some other app. Perhaps you can live with that? birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: screen brightness - full brightness on battery not possible ?
By BIOS 'controls' I assume you mean the brightness controls on your laptop. Have you looked through all BIOS settings to see if there is a power management/battery saver feature in the BIOS that Gnome may not be able to override? birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Moblin is dead, Fedora on netbooks?
On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 22:03 +, BeartoothHbsk wrote: > I also prefer Fedora -- and currently have Omega Linux running of > an EeePC 701, which is about the smallest and slowest of netbooks. Omega > seems to me to be very effectively "Fedora For Netbooks" -- and that > makes me wonder, after reading all this thread so far, whether I need > bother paying attention to MeeGo. I have had a quick look at the moblin user interface on a netbook (since you can install it from the fedora repos), and I quickly went back to gnome/cairo-dock. I think the other part of the merger is far more interesting. After all; Who has seen a moblin device? Where can you buy one? Maemo devices have been around for years. It was originally a tablet OS for a range of Nokia tablets, but the last one (N900) is a cell phone. A Nokia cellphone running a real linux with X-windows and gnome. The user interface is of course completely different, but Nokia did the right thing. They developed it as a new interface on top of gnome and gave it to the gnome foundation. The next generation (MeeGo) will be redone in QT instead. Not sure I like that move but it is understandable since Nokia owns QT, and they now have QT up on Symbian as well. I would love to get a N900 so I could have any linux app up and running on the 480x800 display. Perhaps I wouldn't need a netbook anymore. With Nokias acquisition of QT and their open-sourcing of Symbian Nokia is really trying to make open source work. Sadly they seem to have problems relating to their community. Finding out how they have to restructure themselves to interface with a community. I would expect Intel to have some of the same problems. At least Nokia has seen what a community can do. The N900 lacked MMS just like the iPhone when it was launched. The community fixed it for the N900 in 3 months. I believe it took apple more than a year. Anyway. MeeGo is set to become a rather high-volume platform backed by two big vendors of devices in a new market (for linux). I think that is exciting. Seeing Nokia and Intel trying to merge their open source efforts is even more exciting. I really hope they can learn a few lessons from RedHat about how to grow a community and integrate with it. Perhaps even merge the communities and share Fedora as the community platform. After all, neither of them are likely to intrude on RedHats turf... MeeGo will never be positioned as a server or desktop operating system. :-) Getting some Nokia, Intel and TrollTech programmers aboard wouldn't hurt, would it? So: Welcome, MeeGo. May you ship on millions of devices. :-) birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Moblin is dead, Fedora on netbooks?
On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 18:39 -0800, jack craig wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I regret to report that Moblin, my hope for a mobile linux, is dead. As someone alse already pointed out, Moblin is not dead. What is happening is that Moblin (intel-based) and Maemo (Arm-based) are merging to create MeeGo. MeeGo is supposed to have common lower layers, and alternative UX (User eXperience) layers. There will be UX layers for cell phones, tablets, netbooks, stationary media phones, and whatnot. MeeGo will use rpm as packaging mechanism. It will run X, have gtk support, but main GUI SDK will be QT. Given that it should support intel and arm and be based on rpm, is there some way fedora and MeeGo could interact? Could a platform with Intel and Nokia as sponsors cooperate with the huge Fedora community with RedHat as sponsor? Could Fedora become a development platform for both? It would certainly help defragment linux a bit. MeeGo is set to become the biggest linux on mobile devices if Nokia mean what they say: According to Ari Jaaksi, VP Nokia “We will put all our force behind making MeeGo THE operating system” and “Nokia will ship tons of MeeGo devices, Intel, too. And others will use MeeGo in their devices. It is open, free, powerful and compatible.” That said, I prefer running Fedora on my netbooks. I actually think there is no problem at all running a full gnome on a netbook. I usually remove the panels and install cairo-dock. I also make a few gui tweaks that I am used to doing on older hardware (getting rid of gradients in window borders and so on). Seriously, a netbook is more powerful than what I used to run linux on just 1-2 years ago. birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Display settings should not be per user
On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 09:45 +0100, Tobias Ringström wrote: > On 02/12/2010 09:26 AM, birger wrote: > > Placement of screens is a different story. No, users are not supposed to > > move their screens around. What they frequently do is move the computers > > around. You know - laptops? For laptops you definitely want users to > > control placement of screens, right? At work I have one setup, at my > > home office a second one. Then there are at least two frequently used > > meeting rooms, one with a big screen, the other with a projector. > > > > Well of course, but that has nothing at all to do with per user > settings. You don't use switch user account when you connect an external > monitor to a laptop, I hope. :-) Actually, it does. I want ordinary users to be able to change their display settings when moving their PC around. Ordinary users should *not* be able to change the system defaults. So this kind of setting should be per user IMHO. On the other hand, with a laptop you always know you have at least one screen that is not rotated for your login prompt. :-) birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Display settings should not be per user
On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 00:27 -0800, Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: > GnuStep isn't supported on Fedora because of some manner of Political > Insanity. Cocoa and GnuStep software is always packaged in small > directory trees known as bundles; all of the files that on a > traditional *NIX box are spewed all over God's Creation and Then Some > are, with GnuStep and Cocoa, all kept neatly in one small tree. All things Fedora could potentially end up in RHEL. I can assure you that all my experience from > 20 years of running Unix-based servers confirms RedHats policy on this. When running hundreds of servers you cannot know how and where each kind of 'bundle' is installed. You need to know where all config files are. Where all log files are. Without knowing any details about what bundles are installed on a server. Otherwise you will make big mistakes. Really big ones. I actually drafted a policy for one of my biggest customers outlining the same kind of requirements for all 3rd party unix apps on all kinds of Unix systems. We demanded that all config files go in /etc, all log files in /var/log/, and that the install directory should be read-only. Being one of the big oil companies, they actually had the muscle to force app vendors to accept this. Are all OpenSource apps designed this way? No. Most of them will by default compile into either a 'bundle' in /usr/local or at least put their config files and log files in /usr/local/etc, /usr/local/log, and so on. The thing is, they have a build system that supports changing these defaults at compile time. All you need for Fedora is then a spec-file that specifies the arguments for the build systems so the package gets built correctly for Fedora. If GnuStep is well-coded it should be easy to rebuild it to conform. birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Display settings should not be per user
On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 07:39 +0100, Tobias Ringström wrote: > Why would anyone even want user specific display settings? Are users > expected to move monitors around between logging in? Per user settings > might be useful as a feature, but it's a very unfriendly default, or am > I missing something? Yes and no... Remember the old CRT screens? You know, those that are big and bulky? They are still in use, and on those changing the resolution was the easy way to adjust the user experience in one step for users with either better or poorer sight than the norm. For flat screens this is a very, very wrong way to do it, but old habits never die. I could agree that users shouldn't be allowed to change resolution on flat screens. Instead they should get info on the proper way. Placement of screens is a different story. No, users are not supposed to move their screens around. What they frequently do is move the computers around. You know - laptops? For laptops you definitely want users to control placement of screens, right? At work I have one setup, at my home office a second one. Then there are at least two frequently used meeting rooms, one with a big screen, the other with a projector. Ideally, each external screen should be recognized (does EDID hold a serial number?) so the previous setup for that screen could be recalled automagically. I could agree that it should be easy to set a system default, especially for desktop systems. I clearly see the problem with the login prompt in certain configurations. For the first problem, adjusting to sight, there are other possibilities that should be used, but adjusting resolution was more user friendly than having to tweak a whole lot of settings to get everything right. Perhaps there should be a tool in 'assistive technologies' to handle all of this? The display configuration could then have a button to launch this tool. birger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
