Re: something similar to total commander
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Raf Roger wrote: > Hi, > > I need to transfer very often files or folder from 1 disk to another and i'm > not satisfied with nautilus from gnome shell. > Could you tell me if something like total commander (windows world) exist > under Linux ? > Alain for ncurses based file management you might try ytree. charles zeitler -- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: fedora jam spin update
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Ian Malone wrote: > An update progress on the Fedora Jam spin for music and audio creation: > http://ibmalone.blogspot.com/2012/11/cooking-jam.html > and thanks for the link to Guitar Noise! cfzeitler -- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
OT:Re: Fedora 18, future isn't too good as it seems :-
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Charles Zeitler > wrote: >> >> >> > So what you're saying is, it's not valid for me to assume that you're a >> > member of homo sapiens? >> > >> yes. given a set of assumptions, valid ( or invalid ) deductions and >> arguments >> can be made- but the assumptions *themselves* are neither valid nor >> invalid. > > > Other than to smugness, this pedantry is not really useful. If you insist, > you can read it as "that's not a reasonable assumption to make". > > Rahul > ok, dude, what makes an assumption reasonable? unreasonable? cfzeitler -- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 18, future isn't too good as it seems :-
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 12:51 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 11/01/2012 10:28 PM, Charles Zeitler wrote: >>> >>> That's just not a valid assumption to make. >>> >> >> ahem! there are no valid assumptions! ;>) >> >> cfzeitler >> > > So what you're saying is, it's not valid for me to assume that you're a > member of homo sapiens? > yes. given a set of assumptions, valid ( or invalid ) deductions and arguments can be made- but the assumptions *themselves* are neither valid nor invalid. :>) cfzeitler -- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 18, future isn't too good as it seems :-
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > That's just not a valid assumption to make. > ahem! there are no valid assumptions! ;>) cfzeitler -- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: There was an error installing the bootloader. The system may not be bootable
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 12:36 AM, shailesh wrote: > > > I was installing fresh copy of fedora 17. I used /dev/sda, where the > windows 7 exists, as bootloader drive. At the end of the installation of > packages, error is coming "There was an error installing the bootloader. > The system may not be bootable" > insert rescue disc ; mount installed partitions ; chroot into installed system ; grub-install posting in html may result in being ignored cfzeitler -- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Installing Fedora 17
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 06/19/2012 06:15 AM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: >> >> Here's where I have trouble. I need 100 GB. So, 1 GB = 1000MB, so I >> should enter 100x1000, no? > > > No. 1GB = 1024 MB. Not that that should make Anaconda crash, but you > should at least get the numbers right. > 1GB = 1000 MB. 1GiB = 1024 MiB. does Anaconda use MB or MiB? charles zeitler -- Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: how to use a mailing-list
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 6:20 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > would you PLEASE send replies only back to the > list and ONLY to ONE incarnation of this list > > > are _you_ talkin' to _me_ ? charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is there some trick to booting F16 minimal install CD?
-- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: > On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Michael Hennebry wrote: > >> I made a minimal CD to start an install from hard drive. >> It doesn't work. > > >> How do I debug this? > Any ideas? > > > -- memcheck86? charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: RPM fusion key updating problem
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. >> what do you get from: >> ls -l /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-rpmfusion-nonfree-fedora-16-i386 >> ? >> >> charles zeitler > > > Thanks charles. > > [david@reddwarf ~]$ ls -l > /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-rpmfusion-nonfree-fedora-16-i386 > ls: cannot access > /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-rpmfusion-nonfree-fedora-16-i386: No such file > or directory > [david@reddwarf ~]$ and i can't find instructions @ rpmfusion for installing keys.... you might have to uninstall rpmfusion-nonfree & reinstall it. charles zeitler -- Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: RPM fusion key updating problem
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. what do you get from: ls -l /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-rpmfusion-nonfree-fedora-16-i386 ? charles zeitler -- Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: yum 'updates' file too big?
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 5:05 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: > > Try cleaning the metadata cache for the updates repo: > yum --disablerepo='*' --enablerepo=updates clean all > > Then try again. > > -T.C. thank you for the tip. 'yum clean metadata' fixed it. unfortunately, i still don't know what the problem was. :>) charles zeitler -- Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: yum 'updates' file too big?
Do what thou wilt
shall be the whole of the Law.
and now:
[fedora16@azatot ~]$ sudo yum update
Loaded plugins: langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/bin/yum", line 29, in
yummain.user_main(sys.argv[1:], exit_code=True)
File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 309, in user_main
errcode = main(args)
File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 140, in main
result, resultmsgs = base.doCommands()
File "/usr/share/yum-cli/cli.py", line 458, in doCommands
self._getTs(needTsRemove)
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/yum/depsolve.py", line 101, in _getTs
self._getTsInfo(remove_only)
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/yum/depsolve.py", line 112,
in _getTsInfo
pkgSack = self.pkgSack
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/yum/__init__.py", line 892, in
pkgSack = property(fget=lambda self: self._getSacks(),
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/yum/__init__.py", line 673,
in _getSacks
self.repos.populateSack(which=repos)
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/yum/repos.py", line 265, in
populateSack
self.doSetup()
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/yum/repos.py", line 92, in doSetup
self.ayum.plugins.run('postreposetup')
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/yum/plugins.py", line 184, in run
func(conduitcls(self, self.base, conf, **kwargs))
File "/usr/lib/yum-plugins/langpacks.py", line 79, in postreposetup_hook
for event, elem in iterparse(infile):
File "", line 86, in next
cElementTree.ParseError: unclosed token: line 13103, column 46
i'm thoroughly confused.
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Re: yum 'updates' file too big?
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. in addition: yum provides "grabber.py" Loaded plugins: langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit Error: database disk image is malformed does this call for rebuilding something? could it be related to original problem? charles zeitler -- Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: yum 'updates' file too big?
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 5:05 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: > Try cleaning the metadata cache for the updates repo: > yum --disablerepo='*' --enablerepo=updates clean all > > Then try again. > > -T.C. worth trying, but no joy. charles zeitler -- Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
yum 'updates' file too big?
-- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. [fedora16@azatot ~]$ sudo yum update Loaded plugins: langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit google-chrome | 951 B 00:00 google-chrome/primary | 1.4 kB 00:00 ftp://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/rpm.livna.org/repo/16/x86_64/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 14] FTP Error 550 : ftp://mirrors.tummy.com/pub/rpm.livna.org/repo/16/x86_64/repodata/repomd.xml Trying other mirror. livna | 3.6 kB 00:00 rpmfusion-free-updates | 3.3 kB 00:00 rpmfusion-nonfree-updates | 3.3 kB 00:00 updates/metalink | 17 kB 00:00 updates | 4.7 kB 00:00 Traceback (most recent call last): 22% [ ] 349 kB/s | 901 kB 00:08 ETA File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 1129, in _retrieve self.fo.write(buf) IOError: [Errno 27] File too large Current download cancelled, interrupt (ctrl-c) again within two seconds to exit. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 1129, in _retrieve self.fo.write(buf) IOError: [Errno 27] File too large Exiting on user cancel and, the 'user' who exited wasn't me. (i'm the only human user) any clues on this one? thanx charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Some businesses and professionals need an extremely secure OS lock, that even the best of the best can't crack...
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Linda McLeod wrote: > both can't be cracked.. "a file safe" that really works, separate from the > main mother board, and linkable only to the primary M-Board when the OS > is switch disconnected from the Net..? how about this: set up a NAS (network attached storage) device, connect it to your computer only after you verify your computer is not connected to the internet? charles zeitler -- Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
Do what thou wilt
shall be the whole of the Law.
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:04 PM, charles zeitler wrote:
>
>> Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with Microsoft...
>
> I really didn't understand this sentence and its hidden (may be) meaning.
Opensuses' 'agreement' with Microsoft
http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html
necessarily imposes limitations (theoretical if not actual) on its development
('intellectual property concerns')
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: > Hello community, > > This has been a great news for me that I am going switch to Linux from > Windows XP, > opensuse comes in mind, then some other distribution... Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with Microsoft... charles zeitler. -- Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Did DBAN miss something, & "Linux Filtering-PackageSafe", & Build huge files of the trusted websites, & "Preferred safe-bundles"..?
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Linda McLeod wrote: > To too: supp...@dban.org, webmas...@mozilla.org, > spa...@fedoraproject.org, and here.. > > __ > > > Topic: Did DBAN miss something, & "Linux Filtering-PackageSafe", & > Build huge files of the trusted websites, & "Preferred safe-bundles"..? > > > > > I just completed a new install of Fedora-14.. When Google first came up > on the screen, the Google logo was missing, like what I normally set it > at with no-script ASAP on every new install.. but I had DBAN'd the hd, > and hadn't reset no-script, so there shouldn't have been any trace of > previous configurations.. But there was..? Why and How..? > Unless the hd is "reading my mind for required prefs"..? > Does this mean DBAN is now being blocked from performing total-format..? did you run dban from a seperate disk (cd or dvd)? or within an installed system? > > In another light.. is there a "bubble program", that can wrap a > troublesome program in a "balloon-security room", to detect and > log-report on, and/or lock everything to and from the encapsulated > software package..? Is there a "Linux Filtering-PackageSafe"..? Is > there such a thing as a file's "custom firewall-room"..? sounds like you want a 'sandbox' . i'm not familiar with these (there is a SElinux sandbox) > __ > > > Why not build huge files of the trusted websites.. bundled to each > subject.. for sleepy users to lock their browser into, to avoid > ape-world's misgivings, in its perpetual punishing the kind world, for > their personal & personale misgivings undt zins..? should i trust the sites you trust? should you trust the sites i trust? > How many FireFox add-ons link to government xdata-collection > facilities..? > Is there a safe-list?.. preferred safe-bundles..? unsafe wherever you go. charles zeitler -- Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Can RedHat get-into an OS to determine an OS's intentional faults via the Net..?
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Linda McLeod wrote: > > "Mindless toilet-class kooks" are targeting my PC's via the Internet.. > I got this message mess when I attempted an update... .. here we go: > 13:15:57 : YUM: yum.Errors.ConfigError: File contains no section > headers. > > 13:15:57 : YUM: file: file:/etc/yum.repos.d/skype.repo, line: 2 try re-installing yer skype repo. charles zeitler -- Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox 7 on Fedora 14
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > On 10/16/2011 08:16 AM, Jorge Fábregas wrote: >> On 10/16/2011 11:10 AM, Colin Paul Adams wrote: >> > Ugh. I installed this for F13, and apparently, I needed > adobe support - the problem is, that adobe believes that > firefox is a ubuntu installation. > > What can I do at this point? > the Free alternatives do not give you sufficient support? charles zeitler -- Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: XFCE does not mount an audio CD
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:. > us, it walks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck so we > see no reason not to call it a duck. i disagree. it doesn't walk like a duck, or swim like a duck. you might be right about the quacking. ;>) charles zeitler -- Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: What spins are most minimal?
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Beartooth wrote: > > It had to happen; and the question isn't really an oxymoron, > though maybe I should have asked what is smallest. > > > Do I have to go try Puppy Linux again? Or is there another > spin of Fedora even leaner than Omega? all the official desktop spins fit on a cd; otoh, have you tried a 'customized' install from the 'official' DVD, that is, ruthlessly deselecting all the packages you won't need? > > -- > Beartooth Staffwright, Not Quite Clueless Power User > I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is. charles zeitler -- Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: create a (wine windows exec) desktop entry to autostart
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > > >> > the file that I want to autostart is >> > wine ~/Desktop/vti folder/Vti.exe >> >> try: >> wine ~/Desktop/vti\ folder/Vti.exe >> >> >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > >> > Antonio >> >> charles zeitler >> >> -- > > Thank you very much sir. You suggestion works! > > > and it starts when I log in. > > Regards, > > Antonio yer welcome! (it's that "space-in-the-middle thingy- Bash etc. use spaces to separate filenames from each other and directories likewise- so if you see the same thing show up again...) you may want to check out: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/escapingsection.html charles zeitler -- Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: create a (wine windows exec) desktop entry to autostart
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > Dear folks, > > I want to create an autostart entry for Gnome Desktop. > > the file that I want to autostart is > wine ~/Desktop/vti folder/Vti.exe try: wine ~/Desktop/vti\ folder/Vti.exe > > Regards, > > > Antonio charles zeitler -- Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GNOME 3.2 released!
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On Wed, 2011-09-28 at 16:01 -0300, Leonardo wrote: >> http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.2/ >> >> so is there any chance to see this release in F15? > > No, Fedora does not do major GUI changes in stable releases. what about unstable releases? charles zeitler -- Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Developers responsibillity to Fedora Users
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > Alan Cox is exactly right that the users of Fedora products get them > free and one can make a strong case that therefore Fedora developers > have no responsibility to listen to user's complaints. > === > Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net yes, such an argument _can_ be made. otoh, if the family of Fedora contributors were _only_ building for themselves, i suspect they would quickly lose interest. thus, there is an implied incentive to consider (& encourage!) feedback/feedforward. charles zeitler -- Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Brain fart: no format option on a pen drive pop-up menu?
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 08/28/2011 10:41 AM, Tim wrote: >> It removes the file, or directory, from the directory*listing* (the >> list of what's on the disc). It doesn't actually remove the file (or >> directory). > > AIUI, it also frees up the inodes to be used again. A deleted file can > be recovered if *and only if* they haven't been reused. for filesystems that use inodes. charles zeitler -- Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Brain fart: no format option on a pen drive pop-up menu?
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 01:24, Tim wrote: >> To be pedantic, that's a complete misconception about what "formatting" >> means... > > I disagree. I think that is exactly what formatting means, laying out > a new file system, and erasing the contents in the process. > > format d: on windows or > format d: /fs:jfs in os/2 > > Are the nitpickers on this thread going to change the definition of > formatting on the wikipedia, too? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Format_%28computing%29 maybe you should read this > > Or maybe you should go back in time and change all references to > ¨formatting¨ diskettes on AmigaOS, too?, and diskette boxes that > claimed "pre-formatted" > > FC charles zeitler -- Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Brain fart: no format option on a pen drive pop-up menu?
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 18:55, Alan Cox wrote: >> No another meaningless option that wouldn't actually do anything. >> >> If you want to blank a drive into a new file system format you just need >> to be sure to clean up any confusing superblocks and get the type right. >> For the same fs you will hit the metadata anyway. >> >> And if you want to blank a disk you need to issue a security erase >> command, not just overwrite the data. The latter does not do what you >> would always want on modern storage systems, particularly flash. >> >> Alan > > Yes "blank a drive" aka "formatting" it. > With the same file system it previously had. (fat32). as i understand it, formatting a drive doesn't necessarily overwrite the whole disk & blanking (erasing) it is too expensive for a default formatting. and Alan was perhaps too subtle- flash does funny things when you write to it. > > Doesn´t need to be a "full format", a "quick format" would do. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/302686 notice that in both cases, files are 'removed from the volume', not erased. > > So, I maintain my original comment... I think it should be possible > from the Gnome GUI to right click and select an option to "format" the > drive (who partitions a thumb drive?? 99.% are used in a > single-partition mode) this would be handy- but would probably be limited to vfat... > Hey, look here > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/disk-format.html.en > > "If you have a removable disk like a USB memory stick or an external > hard disk, you may wish to completely remove all of the files you have > on there. You can do this by formatting the disk - this deletes all of > the files on the disk and leaves it empty." delete- not erase. and certainly does not leave it empty- an empty drive has no format. > > Wow, plain English. No misconceptions about what formatting means. :) > > So let me rephrase my original post: on removable drives, shouldn´t > there be a "Format" option (or "wipe" if you wish) that invokes ´disk > utility´ with the right params to beggin formatting it?. with a prompt for the root password. > > FC > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > charles zeitler -- Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: confusion with gparted
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 3:38 PM, François Patte > > OK for this point. But the remaining problem is: why gparted does not > see the partitions? > > fdisk and df can see roughly 2 partitions 20Go+480Go and gparted sees > that mostly this disk has non-allocated space while the linux partition > had 44Go of data on it...? > If I use gparted (I want to change my partionning), I get: /dev/sdb1: ntfs/media/ntfs1Kio non-allocated:319,66Mio /dev/sdb2: ext4 /media/linux2.84Mio non-allocated: 465,45 Gio here, my understanding is that gparted is reporting 1Kio unallocated on /dev/sdb1, and 319,66Mio allocated. (i don't see that format from gparted) > > Moreover, I tried to extend the small ext4 partition (2.84Mio according > to gparted) to the next "non-allocated" space (465,45 Gio). > > gparted warned me that all my data will be lost... OK, I launch the > dog It ran for 2 hours I stopped it and... nothing was done. > even my data were not lost! > > Is gparted working? > > Thanks for answering. > > - -- > François Patte > UFR de mathématiques et informatique > Université Paris Descartes > 45, rue des Saints Pères > F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 > Tél. +33 (0)1 4286 2145 > http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: confusion with gparted
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:31 AM, François Patte wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Bonjour, > > I have an external usb HD (500Go) which I partionned (with fdisk) like this: > > /dev/sdx1 ~20Go: ntfs > /dev/sdx2 rest of disk: ext3 > > If I use df -h, I get: > > /dev/sdb2 439G 44G 374G 11% /media/linux > /dev/sdb1 21G 66M 20G 1% /media/ntfs > > (today x=b!) the total 439+21= 460 so missing 40Go > François Patte > to add to your confusion ;>) ; harddrive manufactureres use 1KB = 1000 bytes, fdisk & df use 1KB = 1024 bytes. charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: help needed on patitionning
-- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Adam Tong wrote: > Hi, > > > Here is what i see: > > sda1 1500 ntfs > sda2 307240 ntfs > sda3 158669 Extended > sda5 141674 ntfs > sda6 16992 extended > sda4 9529 ntfs this doesn't look right, you should have only one (or zero) extended 'partition' can you post the results of the p command from fdisk? > > I choose "create custom layout" then sda3, then selected / as the standard > partition mount point can't mount extended partitions.. charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [OT] Spelling... [was: Re: where is gnomebreakpad]
-- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > > As a side note, given that my native language is 100% phonetic and spelling > rules are trivialized to the point where spelling errors are indistinguishable > from typographical errors, I can only feel sorrow for all the native-English- > speaking people who have to put up with the very concept of spell-checking, > memorizing correct spelling for uncommon words, children devoting time to > learn correct spelling in school, etc... If human languages were "made by > design" some are. Esperanto is, & is also 100% phonetic. > HTH, :-) > Marko > charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
-- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 06/14/2011 04:38 AM, Craig White wrote: >> Basically all UI's suck at this point but you pick what you pick and >> adapt to using what's there as best as you can. > > They are software, therefore they suck. > hey, hardware sucks too! charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Protected WLAN
-- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 12:04 AM, JD wrote: > On 05/17/11 21:15, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: >> On 05/17/2011 11:36 PM, JD wrote:. >> >> I'm waiting for the next level new security that is unbreakable before >> buying my next new home wireless router. B^) >> > I do not think there is one, nor will there be one > (for public use). > The gov would not allow it's dissemination, > as long as strong encryption is illegal, only criminals will use strong encryption. charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [Errno 5] Input/output error
-- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Leon Legorreta wrote: > I appreciate your help Charles Zeitler, use FSCK the problem was in / var > since they had some bad blocks, glad i could help... what kind of filesystem(s) are you using? charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [Errno 5] Input/output error
-- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Leon Legorreta wrote: > I'm trying to update packages are only 33MB > how's your swap holding out? if that's not the problem, try a fsck on vg_leon-LogVol00, vg_leon-LogVol03 and vg_leon-LogVol04 also, you might look at 'man smartctl' charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [Errno 5] Input/output error
-- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Leon Legorreta wrote: > Hello, I hope you can help me, I have a problem to update my fedora 14, > since wanting to update with "yum" sends me the following error: > > > [Errno 5] Input / output error > > > > -- > Leon Legorreta > > -- are you trying to update packages, or trying to update to a new release? charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fwd: Separate /usr partition
-- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 4:15 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: it is ill-mannered to send me a private mail > and then post the reply in a public list. Stop doing that > > Rahul > -- excuse me! :>) i had not noticed that you cc'ed me, and i thought i was replying to the list. charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Fwd: Separate /usr partition
-- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. -- Forwarded message -- From: Rahul Sundaram Date: Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 1:51 AM Subject: Re: Separate /usr partition To: charles zeitler On 04/14/2011 12:21 PM, charles zeitler wrote: > it's quite informative, but it doesn't explain _your_ statement... My statement was merely a reference to that page. Nothing further to explain. Rahul ok. so Mike M.'s concerns (as a potential splitter of /usr), and mine (current and potential), and Robert's, are all irrelevant, since they represent only _particular_ cases. charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Separate /usr partition
-- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 12:08 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 04/14/2011 01:02 AM, charles zeitler wrote: > > "please define 'general case'" > > Already defined in the wiki page I refererred to. Do read the thread > completely before asking questions. > > Rahul i'm not trying to argue, i'm trying to understand. i _had_ read the whole thread, _and_ the wiki article. i re-read the wiki article, and couldn't find the definition there. charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Separate /usr partition
-- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 04/13/2011 11:36 PM, Mike McCarty wrote: >> >> It's true that my /machine/ is not relevant here. However, my /attitude/ >> is. I don't accept changes uncritically. > > Your attitude is irrelevant as well. This discussion is not about > you. It is about whether /usr as a separate partition has problems in > the general case. > > Rahul > -- > please define 'general case' charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 14: Shutdown problem [Wandering OT]
-- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > I don't want to hijack the main thread, so I've changed the subject > slightly. I've been wondering something and it finally got to the point > that I had to ask: is it just me, or does anybody else look at the word > "akonadi" and think it's Hebrew? or Hindi? or Italian? surprise! it's one of a group of languages spoken in Ghana: http://akonadi.org/section/view/our_history charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Finding programs
-- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Ed Greshko . > Maybe it is the same method that many folks should use to find things. > http://tinyurl.com/6ce2nvo :-) :-) > > -- > "Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any > good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats." -- Howard Aiken 葛 > 斯克 愛德華 / 台北市八德路四段 > > -- nice! charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: I'm asking help for my project - If you're interested get contacted with me
-- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2011-01-06 at 10:44 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: >> On 01/06/2011 09:26 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> > Plenty of >> > native English speakers on this list and elsewhere seem unable to state >> > clearly what they mean, but that's getting somewhat OT. >> >> Yes. Not only was Henry Higgens right, his complaint is getting truer >> by the year. > > So was Henry Higgins ... > > poc > wow, a Hungarian producer, and a character named Zoltan! charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Upgrade F8 to F12
-- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 12/05/2010 01:01 PM, Adil Adil wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm wondering if there is a way to upgrade directly from >> F8 to F12 >> instead of... > ... it's probably best to back up your > data, reformat and reinstall from scratch. it also helps to put /home on its own partition... charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Question about F14 x64...
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: >> >>> How can du show that home is 24k (which is probably ok since there are >> >>> no files in there, just my home directory and lost+found) >> >>> while df shows /home as having 188M used? >> >>> >> >>> > > > Then, apparently I divide that number by the size of 1Mb (2^20 or 1048576) > and get 128 (exactly). So I can see where df is reporting, at least in > part, the size of the journal while du is not. Clear as mud! ;-) > > Thanks. > > Kevin > another case of non-intuitive logic, this time clarified by the man pages. ;) Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Installing F14 Beta
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 1:20 PM, JD wrote: > The right place is the >> other list. >> >> Firstly, which list is for what has been defined by the list owners, and >> it *is* defined as he informed you (test release messages on the test >> list, messages about the current releases on this list). >> >> Secondly, If you continue to be a >> pain about it, then you might well find the list owner steps in and >> instructs you to conform. >> > Then I strongly encourage you to unsubscribe because > I will continue and persist in posting here on this list. > So spare yourself the agony, and unsubscribe. > > -- > IMO, the problem isn't so much a post to the wrong list, but _not_ having been posted to the right list ( & therefore feedback not reaching those who can use it! ) charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: System time running fast
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Brian Wood wrote: > I have an HP computer with an AMD Athlon X2 dual core > processor. It has Fedora 13 on it. It continually reports the > time incorrectly and gets further off(fast) as time goes by. > Brian Wood > Ebenezer Enterprises > http://webEbenezer.net > (651) 251-9384 > ntpd charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
random x crashes
-- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. on my updated, fedora 13 kde system, running two monitors on a Radeon HD 4650, i've been getting x crashes, usually when i'm not watching the 'puter. so far what i find in the logs is: Fatal server error: failed to map pixmap -12 can someone suggest where i can go from here? thanks charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: cant make display settings permanent
-- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Ariful Hossain wrote: > I am running fedora 13 with KDE desktop. When i change my display > settings it works but i have to change it again when i relogin my > desktop returns to its previous settings. > Freeburn > life in a NIX shell > Registered linux user #517617 > > -- you can write an xrandr script to provide custom settings & have kde run it at startup charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Still no kmod for new nvidia
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. > > This is on the mail RPM Fusion page > > You can get support for RPM Fusion in most of the usual Fedora discussion > places -- e.g. fedora-list, #fedora on freenode and fedoraforum.org. > yup. it's there. pretty generous of them (RPM Fusion) charles zeitler -- Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Status of SSDs under Fedora ?
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On 6/25/10, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Linuxguy123 wrote: >> Is there a way to change a partition's type after its created ? >> > > For ext4, yes. Google "ext4 to btrfs". It's reversible, too, at least it > will reverse it to the point you switched from ext4 to btrfs. also ext2 -> ext3 and ext3 -> exr2 should be easy. ext2,ext3 -> ext4 sorta -- https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto ext4 -> ext3 maybe not ( extents not being backwards compatitable) -- charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Problem - Preupgrade to F13 Anaconda Freeze
Do what thou wilt
shall be the whole of the Law.
On 6/14/10, Curt Stauffer wrote:
> I haven't seen any responses to this one, I hope that it made it out
> to the list ;-{
>
> If anyone can help I'd really appreciate it.
>
> -Curt
in lieu of _real_ help,
1) maybe anaconda was just taking a long time to do its thing (try again?)
or:
2) that trick never works (ie, too often upgrading fails, for reasons
known/unknown)
then: 1)backup your data
2)do a clean install (during which, spin off /home onto
its very own partition)
-- 3)restore data
charles zeitler
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Re: Klipper search box doesn't disappear
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On 6/15/10, Marcel Rieux wrote: > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Rex Dieter wrote: > >> Marcel Rieux wrote: > > Me, it's in GNOME, so if the bug is in KDE too, maybe it would be better if > you filled the bug? You might have more experience than me for filling bugs? > really, as you're the first(?) to bother to report this, you should have the honor of filing (the bug. also your first-hand experience means you have some of the necessary information to do so. > > So. if somebody could fill the bug report, I would appreciate. It's not an > activity I'll ever get really good at, I afraid. filing is not that difficult- maybe as difficult as writing a longish email... see the relevant bits at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugsAndFeatureRequests charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re:
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On 5/7/10, Lewis Jessup wrote: > I need help on DSL I have tried everything I can ping mu modem and tet all > of the data. I'm able to get to smoe of the preset sites in Mozilla. Modem > works fine with WinXP. Can you direct me to somewhere I can look up > Information. > I'm with "att" and have a Motorola modemusing Fedora 12. Worked fine with > Fedora 9 but when I upgraded Cannot conect. > Lewis Jessup is your network configuration ok? charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: file conflict in update
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On 5/8/10, Mohamed El Morabity wrote: > Le samedi 08 mai 2010 à 19:54 -0500, charles zeitler a écrit : >> when i try to update qtoctave, i get the following: >> >> >> Transaction Check Error: > Hi, > A bug report to the qtoctave developer may be welcome too, since the > libquicktime project was the first to provide an executable named > "qtinfo". You should also warn the Fedora qtoctave packager and the RPM > Fusion libquicktime packager on their respective Bugzillas about this > issue. > thanks for the advice. filed w/ both. charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
file conflict in update
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. when i try to update qtoctave, i get the following: Transaction Check Error: file /usr/bin/qtinfo from install of qtoctave-0.9.1-1.fc12.x86_64 conflicts with file from package libquicktime-utils-1.1.3-3.fc12.x86_64 charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to compare filesystem contents
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On 5/7/10, Andrew Junev wrote: > Hello Bryn, > > Friday, May 7, 2010, 2:41:55 PM, you wrote: > > > Wow! Thanks for the information! > > I compared the file lists as it was suggested a few posts earlier, and > the lists seem to be identical. > I also started comparing checksums, but that's a time-consuming > process (the data I move is mostly my data files and a video archive, > being close to 2TB large in total). Not sure if I really want to keep > it running to the end... > you could compare _sizes_ of original to copied for videos, not a fool-proof method, (if sizes are the same, there could still be errors) but can give you some confidence. > Basically I do believe now everything is Ok and my data is moved properly. > > > Thanks a lot to everybody! > > -- > Best regards, > Andrew > > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OT gmail alert -- spam or real?
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On 5/6/10, jackson byers wrote: > I don't know how to tell whether the below quoted email is really from > gmail or some sort of spam/scan. > Any other users on this list seeing this? > > thanks for advice > Jack > > from Gmail Support > to > date Sun, May 2, 2010 at 7:19 PM > subject ALERT: Act Fast! > mailed-by gmail.com > signed-by gmail.com > hide details May 2 (4 days ago) you should act fast. please report phishing to gmail ( i do. ) see: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=29381 charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fwd: Problem with boot loader
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On 5/5/10, badmagic wrote: > > Over the years, I've installed Solaris/SolarisExpress, every kind of BSD > as well as almost ever Linux distro that's out there and never have I > had a problem like this. > > Is there some known bug about installing Fedora on a drive other than > the Primary Master? > > This time I installed the boot loader on the first sector of the boot > partition - /dev/sdb1 > > I then installed an entry in XOSL to point to/dev/sdb1, booted from it > and got a screen full of blinking colorful ascii chars. > > It really doesn't work. > > Can someone tell me what's going on - Please? > > > > Original Message > Subject: Fwd: Problem with boot loader > Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 09:43:46 +1000 > From: badmagic > Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users > > To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org > > > > I'm going to try to re-install FC12. Has anybody got a suggestion before > I start? > > Original Message > Subject: Problem with boot loader > Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 15:04:29 +1000 > From: badmagic > Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users > > To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org > > > > Hi all, > > I have 2 SATA drives - Windows on the sda and have just installed FC12 > on sdb. I installed > the boot loader on sdb. > > Now, I'm using the XOSL boot manager (installed on its own dedicated > primary partition > on sda). > > If I change the boot sequence in the BIOS to boot from the disk that has > the Fedora install > on it, it boots fine but if I try to boot from XOSL, I just get a black > screen with the cursor > flashing in the top left corner. Does anyone know what's going on and > how to fix it? > > Regards, > Steve Laurie > > > the XOSL faq at http://www2.arnes.si/~fkomar/xosl.org/ doesn't mention GRUB, only LILO. perhaps XOSL doesn't recognize GRUB? charles zeitler -- Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Fwd: Updates next steps
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. -- Forwarded message -- From: William Jon McCann Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:02:47 -0400 Subject: Updates next steps To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop Hey folks, We discussed this a bit on IRC yesterday but I wanted to bring it up on the list too. (here McCann refers to the Desktop list) Now that we have rough consensus that we should try to limit the volume of "pointless" updates, what is next? I propose we look at two things right away: 1. Limit the frequency of non-critical updates to once per week in stable releases 2. Establish norms or rules that limit the types of changes in stable releases to ensure the releases remain stable A concrete example of the kind of thing that I think we should try to avoid: Two days ago I installed updates for F12 (over a hundred random updates) then yesterday I noticed a lot more udpates (40ish) that included an update for vala 0.8.0 with the description "Update to new major release 0.8.0". Longer term, I'd like to see a more comprehensive plan similar to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Desktop/Whiteboards/UpdateExperience but we probably need to work towards that incrementally. Thoughts? What is the best way to accomplish these two things? Jon -- desktop mailing list desk...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop my questions and concerns: 1. we do? 2. what constitutes 'pointless'? 3. shouldn't this be on the 'users' list? does it not affect other users? 4. how is 'critical' defined? 5. what is this 'stable release' ( as opposed to 'release' )? 6. what steps would be taken to ensure that this 'stability' does not interfere with 'incubate(ing) innovative new technologies'? 7. now we have proposal after proposal, trying to produce a "stable release" and insisting on imposing such a level of "stability" into Fedora's releases, that i fear the result would seriously interfere with the original goals of this fine distribution. have been poorly addressed, or not at all. instead of asking if these things _should_ be done, (and they ultimately include, for example, limiting updates to bugfixes and security patches) McCann says: " It is pretty clear that we want to make the user experience around updates better for our users - now we need to do it. There will be people who don't agree (at least until we demonstrate it is better by actually doing it) but we need to do it anyway. If possible, I'd really like to keep the discussion in this thread related to ideation on how we can accomplish the two things I mentioned. From that we can develop a proposal that includes the why." where "we" means either: "the people who are interested in designing and defining the user experience of this desktop thing." or "the project" i believe such ill-designed and extreme (check the subsumed proposals)* proposals deserves your consideration. * from Jesse Keating: " > 2. Establish norms or rules that limit the types of changes in stable > releases to ensure the releases remain stable > > I had started on a proposal that addresses this, or at least attempts to classify the types of updates we do, so that some rules could be layered on top of those types. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Stable_Release_Updates_Proposal"; which page subsumes the Stable_release_updates_vision q.v. ccharles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Lexmark printer
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. > > "... There is one printer manufacturer though that as of last year has > begun supporting Linux from top to bottom .. > company, Lexmark has stepped up to become a Linux and open-source > friendly company." > > <http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=lexmark_linux&num=1> > > -- > Suvayu > > Open source is the future. It sets us free. lexmark may 'support linux' by offering linux compatible(?) drivers, but their support of 'open source' seems lacking, & support of Free Software (c) is just not there. charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On 4/8/10, Marcel Rieux wrote: > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > On 04/08/2010 02:29 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote: >> > On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> > >> > On 04/06/2010 02:39 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote: > > http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/03/14/canonical_ceo_silber/ > > > >> Elaborate on the point you are trying to make. >> Why if some people make more money than others? What's the problem? >> How is this all connected to FPL stepping down.? >>. > > i recommend we re-name Marcel, Oblio & banish him to the Pointless Forest. charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: semantics
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On 4/1/10, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 04/02/2010 05:27 AM, charles zeitler wrote: >> >> 1) "free and open source software" is redundant ( if it's free software ) >> > > Not quite. FOSS is a umbrella term and using it is one way of avoiding > the free beer vs freedom confusion > yes, i can see that ( although i have seen some potentially misleading references to just "open source software" ) >> 2) does fedora need a "stable release" ? (having seen some references to this) >>(there is already "current" "next" "previous" and "eol") >> > > Previous and current are "stable" releases. Next is the development > branch. uh huh. but is there really something _called_ the "stable release" (as opposed to...) & if so, would there be a release sufficiently "unstable" as to "encourage collaboration and incubate innovative new technologies"? > > Rahul > > Ps: Remember to fill up the subject line > -- oops! charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
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-- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. 1) "free and open source software" is redundant ( if it's free software ) 2) does fedora need a "stable release" ? (there is already "current" "next" "previous" and "eol") charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sorbet (Sherbet) no longer on Fedora's future but on bios merits
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law On 3/24/10, Roger wrote: > On 03/24/2010 05:45 PM, charles zeitler wrote: >> how's this for a hypothetical: >> >> some person (let's call him 'Marcel') enters his BIOS, (maybe makes >> some changes), invokes password protection& reboots. >> >> some time later, he installs a fresh operating system. then he re-enters >> his BIOS (unknown reason)& (forgetting he set password protection) is >> surprised when all he gets is a request for a password! >> >> post hoc, ergo propter hoc "after this, therefor because of this" this was _not_ part of my message! -> crock dock copter dropd'er ego virgo past pasta >> "hmmmmmm pasta" > ?? and what has it got to do with Linux exactly ??? see the first message in the original thread. charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sorbet on Fedora's future
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law On 3/23/10, Craig White wrote: Even a broken clock is right twice each > day. except for a certain day in spring, (on which it might be right only once) and a certain day in fall, (on which it might be right three times) > Craig charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sorbet on Fedora's future
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On 3/23/10, BeartoothHOS wrote: > On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:38:03 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote: > >>> Are you saying that if you run Linux, and then re-boot, and enter the >>> BIOS, it is changed in some way? > >> I would think this is exactly what I said. > > ... and, of course, it never occurs to you that all the rest of > us might be incredulous that anyone should say that, or have reason to. how's this for a hypothetical: some person (let's call him 'Marcel') enters his BIOS, (maybe makes some changes), invokes password protection & reboots. some time later, he installs a fresh operating system. then he re-enters his BIOS (unknown reason) & (forgetting he set password protection) is surprised when all he gets is a request for a password! post hoc, ergo propter hoc > > -- > Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User > I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is. > > charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: chainloader +1, again
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On 3/21/10, Gene Heskett wrote: > Greetings all; > > I started an install of f12 on what is /dev/sdb here, after using gparted > to set it up, and figured out a way to get around the disk config in > anaconda. > > I answered a few questions, and it looked as if it was headed off to do it > all by itself, so I toddled off to do a bit of walnut machining for several > hours. > > On return, I had a hell of a time getting my monitor to unblank, darn power-saving technique scares me when it happens. :) , mouse moving didn't work? so I guess > this BS with the ATI driver, radeon, has finally gotten to the ccfl lamp in > my monitor, and its just about 18 months old. > > However, when I tried to use the exit button in that cd's simple gui, there > was no response until I right clicked on the screen, but since it was > running > from the cd, it would not eject at any point during the reboot, and I > finally > killed the power for the 2nd time and managed to grab it in the 2 seconds > between getting it to eject, and the bios sucking it back in. I expected it > to boot F12, but there was no sign of F12 in the grub menu. Just my > regular menu. and no first-boot screen? you might have an incomplete install... however... > > So I booted normally to F10 & kernel 2.6.34-rc2, and I have now tried to add > a chainloader stanza to my grub.conf here on /dev/sda1 that will cause it to > reload grub from /dev/sdb1. > instead of chaining, you could try: making a copy of your F10 stanza, and editing its fields to point to the paths/files on sdb. > Is anything missing? > > Thanks. > > -- > Cheers, Gene > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > > I do desire we may be better strangers. > -- William Shakespeare, "As You Like It" > -- Love is the law, love under will. charles zeitler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sorbet on Fedora's future
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On 3/21/10, Marcel Rieux wrote: > > When I say that open source's landscape has changed a lot in the last year > or so, do you disagree? Though there will always remain people developing > for free because they believe in a project, don't you think that the trend > is going towards more paid developers for the desktop? > > > Nobody, and certainly not an outsider like me, can pretend possessing all > the solutions for open source today. So, we must try to talk together while > taking a look ahead. > > Open source in the future won't be like open source in the past. We have to > deal with the new situation. > how is what the "open source" camp does, relevant here? Fedora (& Gnu & Linux) is _free_ software. ( free as in speech, not as in beer ) charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sorbet on Fedora's future
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. i'd like to make a few points: On 3/19/10, Marcel Rieux wrote: > > (1) The only option available in my Gigabyte MA770T-UD3P's BIOS > offering only options for entering passwords, for exemple. > see:http://www.openfirmware.info/Welcome_to_OpenBIOS > not breaking stable releases is the most > fundamental Fedora rule, as expressed here in the Stable release > update vision: > > This, and more very important stuff, under "Vision Statement" at this URL: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Stable_release_updates_vision > see:https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Project_Wiki "What's The Fedora Project?" /* "stable release" seems be be a recent development */ > > It's very strange, but it seems that open-source developers like to > pay their bills just like anybody. As more and more major companies > are entering the "open-source market", Nokia and Intel, for example, > who's going to be left developing open-source for nothing in project > that more and more will look rather futile, compared to mainstream? > > Because, believe it or not, open source is now becoming mainstream, As > I explained here: > > (1) Please don't bring forward this nonsense about their contribution > to WebKit. WebKit was a fork from KHTML, a GPLed project. So the code > had to be opened. and whatever contribution Darwin makes to the open > source community pretty much amount to a drop of water in the sea. > > > At 19 years old. Linux is certainly not a new kid on the block > anymore. How come, even with Ubuntu, it is still howering at around 1% > of the market share? How come all the brawlers who invade Linux > groups/forums/lists are still allowed to bash new users pretending > that market share is not important in order to be accepted in > standards definition, that they'll still be surfing the net with Lynx > ten years from now? > > > Can't anybody notice that traditional little budget open-source is > right in the middle of the track where the large corporations' > open-source is riding full steam head? > > > IMO, Fedora releases will have to become much more stable and urgency > to get more market share will have to be established as a clear > priority. Very F-A-S-T. The Stable release update vision should be > followed "à la lettre". > 1) "market share" is not as important as what you do to get it. 2) "open source" is not the same as free software. see:http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html Love is the law, love under will. charles zeitler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 12 KDE - No Sound
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Tim and Alison Bentley wrote: > I have a fully patched version of KDE and still have no sound running fore > KDE apps. > Before Christmas I had sound on all apps apart from Firefox Flash. Now I > only have sound on Firefox flash. Amarok, Juk, Audacity, Mumble nothing. > > I am running x86_64. > > Any ideas . > > -- > Tim and Alison Bentley > h...@trarbentley.net > > -- > i had a similar problem until i removed pulseaudio. -- Love is the law, love under will. charles zeitler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 12 : cdrom install ; need help
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 3:52 AM, Jun Diaz wrote: > Hello List, > I am trying to install Fedora 12 from a set of 5 CD ROM but after installing > the first cd, it reboots and then gives me a login prompt - text based (not > GUI). > It does not ask for the rest of the CDs. Am I doing something wrong here? > How can I install the rest of the OS ? > How can I continue the install. > Unfortunately, live cd install does not work for me either as we are using a > proxy server. > Cheers, > > Jun > > perhaps your install options did not require the other cds? the text login seems odd.. have you tried doing a 'startx' after logging in? > -- Love is the law, love under will. charles zeitler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: System failure during yum update - lost grub.lst
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:51 AM, wrote: > At least grub.lst, as we had a kernel update yesterday > > I am accessing my mail via SquirrelMail vai a borrowed Ubuntu USB boot > drive (I will have to build and carry a FC12 USB boot now) so email is > difficult compared to my Thunderbird setup > > Last night during a yum update that included a new kernel, my system did a > poweroff. I am suspecting a CPU temp shutdown. I am upset that such an > event does not put me in suspend mode but that is a separate message. > Anyway when I powered up I was at the grub> prompt, and I don't know what > to do from there. > > This morning a colleague (I am at the IEEE 802.11/15 meeting in LA) lent > me his Ubuntu boot USB drive so I could at least get on the session web > site and such. I was also able to see my /boot partition and observed > that /boot/grub/grub.lst is ZERO bytes. on my system, there is no grub.lst, but menu.lst, ( 11 bytes!) is a link to grub.conf . can you show us your grub.conf? > > Thank you. > > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > Love is the law, love under will. charles zeitler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: intermittent audio
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. i have just rebooted, and audio is working... (before i couldn't get past the output test..) On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 5:42 AM, David Timms wrote: > On 17/01/10 13:21, charles zeitler wrote: >> can someone recommend some steps i can take to narrow >> this down? > Not without you giving some hints as to: > - hardware (eg a smolt public link) m-board = GA-MA790XT-UD4P sound = SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (how do i set up a smolt link?) > - os fedora 12 > - updatedness. current ( as of yesterday ) > - application you are trying with kaffeine, kplayer, vlc... > - if run a terminal with tail -f /var/log/messages, i see: Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: ratelimit.c: 813 events suppressed Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_avail() returned a value that is exceptionally large: 6377097072356599516 bytes (326791809566 ms). Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: Most likely this is a bug in the ALSA driver 'snd_hda_intel'. Please report this issue to the ALSA de velopers. Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_dump(): Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: Hooks PCM Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: Its setup is: Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: stream : PLAYBACK Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: access : MMAP_INTERLEAVED Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: format : S16_LE Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: subformat: STD Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: channels : 2 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: rate : 44100 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: exact rate : 44100 (44100/1) Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: msbits : 16 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: buffer_size : 88192 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: period_size : 44096 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: period_time : 09 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: tstamp_mode : ENABLE Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: period_step : 1 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: avail_min: 87487 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: period_event : 0 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: start_threshold : -1 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: stop_threshold : 6205960286516543488 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: silence_threshold: 0 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: silence_size : 0 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: boundary : 6205960286516543488 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: Slave: Hardware PCM card 1 'HDA ATI HDMI' device 3 subdevice 0 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: Its setup is: Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: stream : PLAYBACK Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: access : MMAP_INTERLEAVED Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: format : S16_LE Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: subformat: STD Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: channels : 2 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: rate : 44100 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: exact rate : 44100 (44100/1) Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: msbits : 16 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: buffer_size : 88192 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: period_size : 44096 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: period_time : 09 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: tstamp_mode : ENABLE Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: period_step : 1 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: avail_min: 87487 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: period_event : 0 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: start_threshold : -1 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: stop_threshold : 6205960286516543488 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: silence_threshold: 0 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: silence_size : 0 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: boundary : 6205960286516543488 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: appl_ptr : 182096 Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost pulseaudio[3295]: alsa-util.c: hw_ptr : 88199 and : Jan 16 16:40:27 localhost
intermittent audio
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. every now and then audio works- but usually not. tests on outputs ( pulseaudio, jack audio, esound & my card specific entry ) typically yield no sound, and often produce the 'output not funcioning' pop-up. removing pulseaudio has not produced any improvements. can someone recommend some steps i can take to narrow this down? thanks Love is the law, love under will. charles zeitler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
