Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
On 11/25/2015 10:11 AM, Rick Stevens wrote: I find lightdm to be pretty good and doesn't spawn off all the junk that gdm does. I mean, if I'm not using gnome, why the hell does gdm insist on spawning a resource-hogging gnome-shell when the beblistered thing is never going to be used? After I stopped using either Gnome or gdm, I tried removing gdm and learned that it had several dependencies that made no sense to me. After making sure that I wasn't using any of them, I let yum remove them all and never missed them. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
On 11/24/2015 07:17 PM, Jon LaBadie wrote: On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 04:19:02PM +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2015-11-24 at 09:41 +, Andrew R Paterson wrote: ... most people assume that in order to change DE youi have to change DM! The "slightly different capabilities" you describe are so slight as make the whole idea of using multiple DMs a pointless exercise. Not so. As I think I mentioned once already, I changed from SDDM back to KDM because the former doesn't support automatically opening gnome- keyring on login. This is not a crippling failure, but it is a real annoyance. You are not "using" multiple DMs, you have chosen to use one of several DMs available. I find lightdm to be pretty good and doesn't spawn off all the junk that gdm does. I mean, if I'm not using gnome, why the hell does gdm insist on spawning a resource-hogging gnome-shell when the beblistered thing is never going to be used? IMHO the systemd, journald and Gnome developers deserve a trip to the woodshed. "targets?" "wants?" "units?" "services?" What the hell? These are bloody awful, overly complex and bug-ridden implementations of solutions for problems existed only in the developers' minds. How they got adopted by the community is beyond me. Hey, gang, just because you _can_ do something doesn't mean you _should_ do it! -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - The difference between nerds and geeks? Nerds are socially inept - -and are painfully aware of that. Geeks couldn't care less. - -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 04:19:02PM +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2015-11-24 at 09:41 +, Andrew R Paterson wrote: > > ... most people assume that in order to change DE youi have to change DM! > > The "slightly different capabilities" you describe are so slight as > > make the whole idea of using multiple DMs a pointless exercise. > > Not so. As I think I mentioned once already, I changed from SDDM back > to KDM because the former doesn't support automatically opening gnome- > keyring on login. This is not a crippling failure, but it is a real > annoyance. You are not "using" multiple DMs, you have chosen to use one of several DMs available. jl -- Jon H. LaBadie jo...@jgcomp.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
Thanks for the info. So when i've installed kde with command $ dnf groupinstall "KDE Plasma Workspaces", i couldn't use it, but after i've removed it i've installed like this $ dnf install @kde-desktop Then all worked well, the idea came from here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KDE I discovered that KDE was faster then gnome, and all the apps opened faster and so on, and it was a big surprise for me, i wasn't expecting it, but i removed it, because i did not liked the idea behind it, even if gnome still have a lot of work in front of it, i prefer to be closer to the cli. for me 1 screen isn't enough so gnome make's it very easy to switch between them, i could also have shortcuts in kde to, but it wouldn't be the same. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
On Tuesday 24 Nov 2015 10:37:48 PM you wrote: > That page seems to suggest otherwise, that you've got to do an extra > step in the command line. That requires extra knowledge than just > installing another desktop. So they're in the same boat as us. I think the command is triggered automatically when you install a new desktop environment so no there is no extras knowledge need to switch DM when doing a DE install. I have not played with Ubuntu in a long time. I will have to do an install to be double sure of claims I am making. I will give it a try tomorrow. Make sure you are replying to the list like you say in your long signature :). -- Regards, Sudhir Khanger, sudhirkhanger.com. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
On Mon, 23 Nov 2015, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I do it quite often. It does work, but you may find that some things depend on which Desktop *Manager* you use (gdm, kdm, sddm, ...) as they don't all support each other equally well. The specific manager you're running (probably gdm for you) doesn't change just because you install a new Desktop *Environment* but you can do it manually. If you want to discuss KDE under Fedora I strongly advise subscribing to the Fedora KDE list, see https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists /kde.lists.fedoraproject.org/ poc I haven't switched to 23 yet, but I'll second that bit about choosing the right display manager as far as some previous releases go. I used to play around with different desktops, and I found a significant difference is tiny bugs and performance when the right display manager was matched with the right desktop environment. ... though I have *never* gotten Enlightenment to work right in Fedora. billo-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
On Tue, 2015-11-24 at 09:41 +, Andrew R Paterson wrote: > On Tuesday 24 November 2015 00:07:00 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 19:23 +, Andrew R Paterson wrote: > > > I must be missing the point here, but I have always found that > > > after > > > installing multiple desktops and leaving gdm as the login > > > manager, > > > when you > > > are asked for the password on login there is a little gear cog > > > icon > > > which if > > > you click on brings up a menu of the different desktops you have > > > installed - > > > for instance I have CDE, GNOME, KDE . > > > > You're confusing Desktop Environment (DE) with Desktop Manager > > (DM). > > The DM handles the graphical login and other session stuff, > > including > > allowing you to select your DE, but the various DMs (gdm, kdm, > > sddm, > > ...) have slightly different capabilities. > > > > poc > I know that - but thats the problem! most people assume that in order > to > change DE youi have to change DM! > The "slightly different capabilities" you describe are so slight as > make the > whole idea of using multiple DMs a pointless exercise. Not so. As I think I mentioned once already, I changed from SDDM back to KDM because the former doesn't support automatically opening gnome- keyring on login. This is not a crippling failure, but it is a real annoyance. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
On Tuesday 24 November 2015 00:07:00 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 19:23 +, Andrew R Paterson wrote: > > I must be missing the point here, but I have always found that after > > installing multiple desktops and leaving gdm as the login manager, > > when you > > are asked for the password on login there is a little gear cog icon > > which if > > you click on brings up a menu of the different desktops you have > > installed - > > for instance I have CDE, GNOME, KDE . > > You're confusing Desktop Environment (DE) with Desktop Manager (DM). > The DM handles the graphical login and other session stuff, including > allowing you to select your DE, but the various DMs (gdm, kdm, sddm, > ...) have slightly different capabilities. > > poc I know that - but thats the problem! most people assume that in order to change DE youi have to change DM! The "slightly different capabilities" you describe are so slight as make the whole idea of using multiple DMs a pointless exercise. Andy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
Mihuleac Sergiu wrote: > Hi! > == > > I have Fedora 23 installed... with the default Gnome 3 Desktop Environment. I was thinking of trying > multiple Desktop Environments, so... > > I've installed `KDE` using `dnf groupinstall "KDE Plasma > Workspaces"` > > * What is your experience in having multiple desktop environments on > Fedora? This is exactly how I got KDE on Fedora 23. I had downloaded the workstation beta iso, burnt it to a DVD (I'm trying to use them up ;-) ), installed it and as soon as I was logged in to Gnome, the very first thing I did was to install KDE, just the way you did. I logged out and GDM showed me another option, called Plasma, I think, so I logged back in and that was about two months ago. I haven't had to use Gnome again (tips hat). I have always installed both KDE and Gnome on Fedora, since I began using Fedora back when it was called Red Hat (5, to be precise). Having two desktop environments has saved my [you know the word] a few times, especially when I used to run updates-testing up until about 2 years ago, when I finally decided that I was just wasting a lot of time on test updates that never even made it to the regular repo. Also, being curious, I like to see how the other half lives, even if I don't do so often LOL Yes, I am a committed KDEophile. Always have been. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 19:23 +, Andrew R Paterson wrote: > I must be missing the point here, but I have always found that after > installing multiple desktops and leaving gdm as the login manager, > when you > are asked for the password on login there is a little gear cog icon > which if > you click on brings up a menu of the different desktops you have > installed - > for instance I have CDE, GNOME, KDE . You're confusing Desktop Environment (DE) with Desktop Manager (DM). The DM handles the graphical login and other session stuff, including allowing you to select your DE, but the various DMs (gdm, kdm, sddm, ...) have slightly different capabilities. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
On Tue, 2015-11-24 at 05:55 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 11/24/15 00:29, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > What is needed is an easier way for the average user to be able to > > switch DMs without editing obscure config files. > > Sometimes I wonder about how/if terminology is used/changed/confused. > > Isn't a DM (Display Manager) the software supplying the GUI login? > Wouldn't that be gdm, > kdm, sddm, etc? > > And, isn't the easy way to switch to issue "systemctl --force enable > sddm" for example? Yes, it is now. For a long time it wasn't. I had forgotten about the change as I already mentioned in an earlier reply. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
On 11/24/15 00:29, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > What is needed is an easier way for the average user to be able to > switch DMs without editing obscure config files. Sometimes I wonder about how/if terminology is used/changed/confused. Isn't a DM (Display Manager) the software supplying the GUI login? Wouldn't that be gdm, kdm, sddm, etc? And, isn't the easy way to switch to issue "systemctl --force enable sddm" for example? -- In reality, some people should stick to running Windows and others should stay away from computers altogether. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
On Tuesday 24 November 2015 02:27:58 Tim wrote: > Tim: > >> If I install two or more different desktops, which display manager > >> should it enable by default, then? Does it ask you that question? > > Allegedly, on or about 23 November 2015, Paul Cartwright sent: > > I switched from GDM to lightdm because I use mate and enlightenment. > > They seem to like lightdm better.. It is easy to switch between them > > using systemctl . Enable/disable.. I found the answer by googling > > "how-to change GDM to lightdm" .. > > That wasn't the point of my question, though. Another person made a > point that Ubuntu made it easier to install more than display manager. > I was asking whether it also made it easier to use a particular one. > Unless it asked you which one to use, as you installed more than one, > then it doesn't really make it any easier. You're still faced with the > same problem - manually selecting the one you want, afterwards. I must be missing the point here, but I have always found that after installing multiple desktops and leaving gdm as the login manager, when you are asked for the password on login there is a little gear cog icon which if you click on brings up a menu of the different desktops you have installed - for instance I have CDE, GNOME, KDE . However, I am running FC21, but as I say this gdm feature has been around for as long as I can remember. Andy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 16:43 +, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > What is needed is an easier way for the average user to be able to > > switch DMs without editing obscure config files. > > I see I have > DESKTOP="KDE" > DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" > in /etc/etc/sysconfig/desktop > (after installing Fedora-23/KDE from a LiveUSB stick). > That doesn't seem too complicated, > assuming it actually does the trick. As I mentioned earlier, I have this file with GNOME as the default, but it's ignored. It used to be the canonical way to set up a DM, but in Fedora this is now done through systemd (as is everything else ...) poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > What is needed is an easier way for the average user to be able to > switch DMs without editing obscure config files. I see I have DESKTOP="KDE" DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" in /etc/etc/sysconfig/desktop (after installing Fedora-23/KDE from a LiveUSB stick). That doesn't seem too complicated, assuming it actually does the trick. -- Timothy Murphy gayleard /at/ eircom.net School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 10:18 -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote: > I switched from GDM to lightdm because I use mate and enlightenment. > They seem to like lightdm better.. It is easy to switch between them > using systemctl . Enable/disable.. I found the answer by googling > "how-to change GDM to lightdm" .. Of course. I had forgotten that's what I did when switching from SDDM back to KDM (because SDDM doesn't support gnome-keyring). poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 19:25 +0530, Sudhir Khanger wrote: > On Monday 23 Nov 2015 11:54:51 AM Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > The specific manager you're > > running (probably gdm for you) doesn't change just because you > > install > > a new Desktop *Environment* but you can do it manually. > > Ubuntu offers such convenience when installing multiple display > manager as > part of installation of another desktop environment. I wonder what > stops > Fedora from doing the same. It does install the other DM (assuming it's part of the package group, which it generally is). However it doesn't automatically select the new one for you, which in general would be a bad idea. What is needed is an easier way for the average user to be able to switch DMs without editing obscure config files. Maybe some day we'll all use the One True Desktop Manager, but this is Linux so it's never going to happen. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
On Tuesday 24 Nov 2015 1:41:31 AM Tim wrote: > If I install two or more different desktops, which display manager > should it enable by default, then? Does it ask you that question? Yes, it does. http://www.webupd8.org/2011/07/how-to-switch-between-gdm-lightdm-or.html https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7OeURvtWD5A/TjEX-vzjwpI/Fiw/tvHNkDzA-XY/change_display_manager_ubuntu.png -- Regards, Sudhir Khanger, sudhirkhanger.com. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
Tim: >> If I install two or more different desktops, which display manager >> should it enable by default, then? Does it ask you that question? Allegedly, on or about 23 November 2015, Paul Cartwright sent: > I switched from GDM to lightdm because I use mate and enlightenment. > They seem to like lightdm better.. It is easy to switch between them > using systemctl . Enable/disable.. I found the answer by googling > "how-to change GDM to lightdm" .. That wasn't the point of my question, though. Another person made a point that Ubuntu made it easier to install more than display manager. I was asking whether it also made it easier to use a particular one. Unless it asked you which one to use, as you installed more than one, then it doesn't really make it any easier. You're still faced with the same problem - manually selecting the one you want, afterwards. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. Windows (TM) [Typhoid Mary]. They refuse to believe that there's anything wrong with it, but everyone else knows Windows is a disease that spreads. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
I switched from GDM to lightdm because I use mate and enlightenment. They seem to like lightdm better.. It is easy to switch between them using systemctl . Enable/disable.. I found the answer by googling "how-to change GDM to lightdm" .. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 23, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Tim wrote: > > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >>> The specific manager you're running (probably gdm for you) doesn't change >>> just because you install a new Desktop *Environment* but you can do >>> it manually. > > Sudhir Khanger: >> Ubuntu offers such convenience when installing multiple display manager as >> part of installation of another desktop environment. I wonder what stops >> Fedora from doing the same. > > If I install two or more different desktops, which display manager > should it enable by default, then? Does it ask you that question? > > -- > tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp > > Linux 3.19.8-100.fc20.i686 #1 SMP Tue May 12 17:42:35 UTC 2015 i686 > > All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying > to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. > > George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not > a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> The specific manager you're running (probably gdm for you) doesn't change >> just because you install a new Desktop *Environment* but you can do >> it manually. Sudhir Khanger: > Ubuntu offers such convenience when installing multiple display manager as > part of installation of another desktop environment. I wonder what stops > Fedora from doing the same. If I install two or more different desktops, which display manager should it enable by default, then? Does it ask you that question? -- tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.19.8-100.fc20.i686 #1 SMP Tue May 12 17:42:35 UTC 2015 i686 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
On 11/23/15 21:12, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 20:27 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 11/23/15 19:48, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >>> On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 12:45 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: 1. Make sure the ConsoleKit package is installed. If not, install it. >>> Does ConsoleKit still exist in F23? >>> >>> >> Surprise, surprise. Looks like not >> >> I know that a simple "startx" seems to always start GNOME. > I think that's because /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients > checks /etc/sysconfig/desktop which has Gnome as the default. > >> It looks like simply creating a ~/.xinitrc file containing "startkde" >> is sufficient in F23. > I don't have a .xinitrc, despite running KDE. In fact I haven't > changed /etc/sysconfig/desktop either (though it might be worth > trying). So something is setting it up, I just haven't worked out > exactly what. Right, you wouldn't have one unless you created it since it certainly isn't needed when one is using a Display Manager such as gdm, kdm, or sddm. > > This stuff is just too encrusted with historical hangovers, scripts > calling scripts calling scripts ... that it's quite a challenge to > figure it out. Yeah. Well at least I now know how to start a given DE from the console and runlevel 3 if need be. -- In reality, some people should stick to running Windows and others should stay away from computers altogether. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
On Monday 23 Nov 2015 11:54:51 AM Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > The specific manager you're > running (probably gdm for you) doesn't change just because you install > a new Desktop *Environment* but you can do it manually. Ubuntu offers such convenience when installing multiple display manager as part of installation of another desktop environment. I wonder what stops Fedora from doing the same. -- Regards, Sudhir Khanger, sudhirkhanger.com. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 20:27 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > > On 11/23/15 19:48, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 12:45 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > 1. Make sure the ConsoleKit package is installed. If not, > > > install > > > it. > > Does ConsoleKit still exist in F23? > > > > > Surprise, surprise. Looks like not > > I know that a simple "startx" seems to always start GNOME. I think that's because /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients checks /etc/sysconfig/desktop which has Gnome as the default. > It looks like simply creating a ~/.xinitrc file containing "startkde" > is sufficient in F23. I don't have a .xinitrc, despite running KDE. In fact I haven't changed /etc/sysconfig/desktop either (though it might be worth trying). So something is setting it up, I just haven't worked out exactly what. This stuff is just too encrusted with historical hangovers, scripts calling scripts calling scripts ... that it's quite a challenge to figure it out. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
On 11/23/15 19:48, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 12:45 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: >> 1. Make sure the ConsoleKit package is installed. If not, install >> it. > Does ConsoleKit still exist in F23? > > Surprise, surprise. Looks like not I know that a simple "startx" seems to always start GNOME. It looks like simply creating a ~/.xinitrc file containing "startkde" is sufficient in F23. Thanks for checking. Outdated knowledge is a dangerous thing. -- In reality, some people should stick to running Windows and others should stay away from computers altogether. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 00:38 +0200, Mihuleac Sergiu wrote: > What happened is that when I chose to log into `KDE` my screens > changes > and the Desktop Background appears the just in a few second I'm back > to > the log in screen. No matter how many restarts or how many times i > try > the result is the same. > > * Is the first time I tried to have multiple Desktop Environments on > Fedora, is this something that happens often or is it because of > fedora 23? No. > * And why wold this happen, all seems very straightforwards. > * Should I make a [bug](https://bugzilla.redhat.com/) report and what > should I write in it? > * What is your experience in having multiple desktop environments on > Fedora? I do it quite often. It does work, but you may find that some things depend on which Desktop *Manager* you use (gdm, kdm, sddm, ...) as they don't all support each other equally well. The specific manager you're running (probably gdm for you) doesn't change just because you install a new Desktop *Environment* but you can do it manually. If you want to discuss KDE under Fedora I strongly advise subscribing to the Fedora KDE list, see https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists /kde.lists.fedoraproject.org/ poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 12:45 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > 1. Make sure the ConsoleKit package is installed. If not, install > it. Does ConsoleKit still exist in F23? poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
On 11/23/15 06:38, Mihuleac Sergiu wrote: > Hi! > == > > I have Fedora 23 installed on a [Lenovo > E540](http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/e-series/e540/#tab-tech_specs) > with the default Gnome 3 Desktop Environment. I was thinking of trying > multiple Desktop Environments, so that I might see what are thee new > breakthroughs. Basically I'm using Gnome for a long time. > > What better way to try a new interface then just installing it along > Gnome 3? So I've installed `KDE` using `dnf groupinstall "KDE Plasma > Workspaces"` I was very surprised to find out that after the reboot > `KDE` wold not work ... > > What happened is that when I chose to log into `KDE` my screens changes > and the Desktop Background appears the just in a few second I'm back to > the log in screen. No matter how many restarts or how many times i try > the result is the same. > > * Is the first time I tried to have multiple Desktop Environments on > Fedora, is this something that happens often or is it because of fedora 23? > * And why wold this happen, all seems very straightforwards. > * Should I make a [bug](https://bugzilla.redhat.com/) report and what > should I write in it? > * What is your experience in having multiple desktop environments on > Fedora? I have had no issues to add additional DEs. I have started with only GNOME and added KDE and I've started with only KDE and added GNOME. You can try the following to see if any errors are showing. 1. Make sure the ConsoleKit package is installed. If not, install it. 2. Create a ~/.xinitrc which contains ck-launch-session dbus-launch --exit-with-session startkde 3. Reboot your system to runlevel 3 4. Login from the console and issue "startx". I've not encountered the issue you're seeing. What I would do is boot the system to runlevel 3 then login and see what happens when you use the command " -- In reality, some people should stick to running Windows and others should stay away from computers altogether. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
[Fedora 23] Installing KDE Plasma as a second Desktop Environment! [bug]
Hi! == I have Fedora 23 installed on a [Lenovo E540](http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/e-series/e540/#tab-tech_specs) with the default Gnome 3 Desktop Environment. I was thinking of trying multiple Desktop Environments, so that I might see what are thee new breakthroughs. Basically I'm using Gnome for a long time. What better way to try a new interface then just installing it along Gnome 3? So I've installed `KDE` using `dnf groupinstall "KDE Plasma Workspaces"` I was very surprised to find out that after the reboot `KDE` wold not work ... What happened is that when I chose to log into `KDE` my screens changes and the Desktop Background appears the just in a few second I'm back to the log in screen. No matter how many restarts or how many times i try the result is the same. * Is the first time I tried to have multiple Desktop Environments on Fedora, is this something that happens often or is it because of fedora 23? * And why wold this happen, all seems very straightforwards. * Should I make a [bug](https://bugzilla.redhat.com/) report and what should I write in it? * What is your experience in having multiple desktop environments on Fedora? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
