Re: Anyone have a favorite archive manager?
On Mon, 2018-07-30 at 14:57 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: > dump was designed to feed a streaming, non-random access device like a > tape system and it won't cross source devices. For flat-out speed, dump > is slightly slower than dd but it is file-aware (which dd isn't). I'd > imagine dumping to a seekable device (e.g. a file) might speed up > restores, but a restore still has to recreate paths and things from the > inodes (after reading in the filelist from the dump archive). I've never > done it as I stopped using dump/restore way back when (I think it was > ESIX SVR4 using a 5150-type QIC tape device back in the mid 80s). Exactly. > Personally, I prefer doing a file-oriented backup using rsync to an > external device mounted somewhere. I typically use locally-connected > external ESATA or thunderbolt devices, but USB3 isn't _that_ horrible. > I've even done it over network links to rsync servers, either using the > native rsync protocol or via a VPN using UDR when going over the big, > bad Internet (a bit trickier, but damned near wire speed over the > network--depending on the stoutness of the VPN devices). I use rsnapshot (based on rsync), but it works better when the receiving end also has an rsync daemon. It's not much use if backing up to (say) Google Drive or Dropbox. I'm experimenting with Borgbackup, which has the additional advantage of de-duping at block level (rsnapshot will detect duplicate files and rsync only transfers the changes, but a changed file will cause a store of the complete new file at the server end). It's also better with a daemon at the server end, but if that's not available then rclone looks like a possible option for this kind of thing. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/QUCDXZZEN3MBU775TRLBZK2L5QC772EL/
Re: Anyone have a favorite archive manager?
On 07/30/2018 02:06 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2018-07-30 at 13:11 -0700, ToddAndMargo wrote: >> dump is awesome for backing up servers in the middle of >> the night. dump/restore are also blazingly fast > > IIRC one reason for that is that they don't walk the directory tree, > they just go through the inode table. This means that restoring > individual files can take a relatively long time (they have to be found > first by reconstructing the path from the root, which can mean a lot of > scanning back and forth), but as that's not the focus it's a reasonable > tradeoff. dump was designed to feed a streaming, non-random access device like a tape system and it won't cross source devices. For flat-out speed, dump is slightly slower than dd but it is file-aware (which dd isn't). I'd imagine dumping to a seekable device (e.g. a file) might speed up restores, but a restore still has to recreate paths and things from the inodes (after reading in the filelist from the dump archive). I've never done it as I stopped using dump/restore way back when (I think it was ESIX SVR4 using a 5150-type QIC tape device back in the mid 80s). Personally, I prefer doing a file-oriented backup using rsync to an external device mounted somewhere. I typically use locally-connected external ESATA or thunderbolt devices, but USB3 isn't _that_ horrible. I've even done it over network links to rsync servers, either using the native rsync protocol or via a VPN using UDR when going over the big, bad Internet (a bit trickier, but damned near wire speed over the network--depending on the stoutness of the VPN devices). I take care to not back up things that may vary (e.g. /proc, /sys, /dev, logs I don't care about, user browser caches, etc.). This gives me a simple way to mount the external media and restore individual files or entire directory trees pretty easily. Not as fast as dump or dd, but running it at off hours (via cron or "at") makes it fairly painless. This is just my preference. Do what you will. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - ...Had this been an actual emergency, we would have fled in terror - - and you'd be on your own, pal!- -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/2RIIV727IQQNHQMG7MCZVOXLIKR5DMXC/
Re: Anyone have a favorite archive manager?
On Mon, 2018-07-30 at 13:11 -0700, ToddAndMargo wrote: > dump is awesome for backing up servers in the middle of > the night. dump/restore are also blazingly fast IIRC one reason for that is that they don't walk the directory tree, they just go through the inode table. This means that restoring individual files can take a relatively long time (they have to be found first by reconstructing the path from the root, which can mean a lot of scanning back and forth), but as that's not the focus it's a reasonable tradeoff. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/WPOY6CXRQL5WLGGBOJF2UXLFD5FPAZDQ/
Re: Anyone have a favorite archive manager?
On 07/30/2018 03:38 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sun, 2018-07-29 at 16:49 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 07/29/2018 03:08 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: On 07/28/2018 11:13 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 07/28/2018 11:04 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: Actually it turned out not to be a typo. I was trying to open a "dump" file in file-roller. When I open the actual tar file, it worked perfectly. What's a "dump" file? I've never seen a ".gz2" extension. What is it? "dump" and "restore". See "man dump" Interesting. I've never used that and probably never will either. dump and restore are probably the oldest archiving utilities in the *ix world, originally from UNIX in the 70's. They date from the bad old days of tape decks, but can be used with other media and of course with files. IIRC their advantage is that they don't assume the media (file) is seekable, so can handle arbitrary length input. Their disadvantage is that they're focused on archiving and restoring entire filesystems, so may not be what the OP is looking for. poc If you are a fan of the command line, I can restore a single file or group of files faster restore than with a gui. Than being said, my original problem was of my own making. I was trying to load a dump file into file-roller thinking it was one of my tar balls. dump is awesome for backing up servers in the middle of the night. dump/restore are also blazingly fast ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/WILY65AGN7EURI4ZHDAI7YBMSOG7MESK/
Re: Anyone have a favorite archive manager?
On Sun, 2018-07-29 at 16:49 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 07/29/2018 03:08 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: > > On 07/28/2018 11:13 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: > > > On 07/28/2018 11:04 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: > > > > Actually it turned out not to be a typo. I was trying to open > > > > a "dump" file in file-roller. When I open the actual tar file, > > > > it worked perfectly. > > > > > > What's a "dump" file? I've never seen a ".gz2" extension. What is it? > > > > > > "dump" and "restore". See "man dump" > > Interesting. I've never used that and probably never will either. dump and restore are probably the oldest archiving utilities in the *ix world, originally from UNIX in the 70's. They date from the bad old days of tape decks, but can be used with other media and of course with files. IIRC their advantage is that they don't assume the media (file) is seekable, so can handle arbitrary length input. Their disadvantage is that they're focused on archiving and restoring entire filesystems, so may not be what the OP is looking for. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/5456B74OJAOQHRHO25WMIBBA7SPY5BWZ/
Re: Anyone have a favorite archive manager?
On 07/29/2018 04:49 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 07/29/2018 03:08 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: On 07/28/2018 11:13 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 07/28/2018 11:04 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: Actually it turned out not to be a typo. I was trying to open a "dump" file in file-roller. When I open the actual tar file, it worked perfectly. What's a "dump" file? I've never seen a ".gz2" extension. What is it? "dump" and "restore". See "man dump" Interesting. I've never used that and probably never will either. That didn't explain the .gz2 extension though. You said it wasn't a typo. I had my head up my ... ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/NZMO3ST6ROGNJKNJ4XFUK6XPMESR37KH/
Re: Anyone have a favorite archive manager?
On 07/29/2018 03:08 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: On 07/28/2018 11:13 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 07/28/2018 11:04 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: Actually it turned out not to be a typo. I was trying to open a "dump" file in file-roller. When I open the actual tar file, it worked perfectly. What's a "dump" file? I've never seen a ".gz2" extension. What is it? "dump" and "restore". See "man dump" Interesting. I've never used that and probably never will either. That didn't explain the .gz2 extension though. You said it wasn't a typo. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/LETE3FHURBNUGCIDO3IPRBMBTL25T73T/
Re: Anyone have a favorite archive manager?
On 07/28/2018 11:13 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 07/28/2018 11:04 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: Actually it turned out not to be a typo. I was trying to open a "dump" file in file-roller. When I open the actual tar file, it worked perfectly. What's a "dump" file? I've never seen a ".gz2" extension. What is it? "dump" and "restore". See "man dump" I can call the archive file whatever I want. /usr/sbin/dump -0a -z -f $BakDir/$Date"_"rootExt4Dump.gz $Partition3 $ dnf whatprovides dump Last metadata expiration check: 8 days, 1:43:06 ago on Sat 21 Jul 2018 01:23:38 PM PDT. dump-1:0.4-0.36.b46.fc28.x86_64 : Programs for backing up and restoring : ext2/ext3/ext4 filesystems Repo: @System Matched from: Provide: dump = 1:0.4-0.36.b46.fc28 dump-1:0.4-0.36.b46.fc28.x86_64 : Programs for backing up and restoring : ext2/ext3/ext4 filesystems Repo: fedora Matched from: Provide: dump = 1:0.4-0.36.b46.fc28 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/BAYQ2DR5SSZ7QBYBCF4IBD3YOSTUSRAV/
Re: Anyone have a favorite archive manager?
On 07/28/2018 11:04 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: Actually it turned out not to be a typo. I was trying to open a "dump" file in file-roller. When I open the actual tar file, it worked perfectly. What's a "dump" file? I've never seen a ".gz2" extension. What is it? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/D34Z3TEHQVJ7PUOCMV62ZVFPAFZY7MTS/
Re: Anyone have a favorite archive manager?
On 07/28/2018 01:47 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: On 07/28/2018 12:49 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote: Is .gz2 a typo? I've only ever seen .bz2 or .gz. I doubt that's related, but it's a curiosity. It's a type. I wonder if that is why file-roller is having an issue. I will have to check later on today after all my backups are finished Actually it turned out not to be a typo. I was trying to open a "dump" file in file-roller. When I open the actual tar file, it worked perfectly. Cancel the question! ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/RQOWDVQX54NDEHTLLCWMO5WSSOUH75TE/
Re: Anyone have a favorite archive manager?
On 07/28/2018 04:40 PM, Fred Smith wrote: On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 03:49:51PM -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: ToddAndMargo wrote: Hi All, Fedora 28 Xfce 4.12 I have several large tar balls -rwxr-xr-x. 1 todd users 6359558528 Jul 12 10:51 2018-07-12_OurStuff.tar.gz2 Is .gz2 a typo? I've only ever seen .bz2 or .gz. I doubt that's related, but it's a curiosity. I have to deal with. They only extract (t or x) with the command line "tar" command and crash both file-roller and xarchive manager. Do they run out of memory? That would be my guess. I don't use GUI archive tools much at all, so I don't know if there's an option to have it simply extract the compressed tarball rather than try to decompress it first and then extract it from the .tar file. gunzip -c tarfile.gz > tarfile should do it. but if the compressed tarball is that big, you'd be well advised to make sure you've got ten or more gigs of free space before trying it because both the compressed and uncmpressed files will stay there. then check again before extracting from the uncompressed archive. Or: gunzip tarfile.gz which uncompresses the tarfile and removes the compressed one. Probably still needs enough space to hold both the compressed and uncompressed, but only until it finishes decompressing, then deletes the compressed one. then in either case, you should be able to just "tar xvf tarfile". I use the command line all the time. There are some times I want to use a gui though tar tjv | grep ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/2VGODEBCMF4TIGUUXA7KNH5ZCFPUPUE4/
Re: Anyone have a favorite archive manager?
On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 03:49:51PM -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > ToddAndMargo wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Fedora 28 > > Xfce 4.12 > > > > I have several large tar balls > > > > -rwxr-xr-x. 1 todd users 6359558528 Jul 12 10:51 > > 2018-07-12_OurStuff.tar.gz2 > > Is .gz2 a typo? I've only ever seen .bz2 or .gz. I doubt > that's related, but it's a curiosity. > > > I have to deal with. They only extract (t or x) with the > > command line "tar" command and crash both file-roller > > and xarchive manager. > > Do they run out of memory? That would be my guess. I don't > use GUI archive tools much at all, so I don't know if > there's an option to have it simply extract the compressed > tarball rather than try to decompress it first and then > extract it from the .tar file. gunzip -c tarfile.gz > tarfile should do it. but if the compressed tarball is that big, you'd be well advised to make sure you've got ten or more gigs of free space before trying it because both the compressed and uncmpressed files will stay there. then check again before extracting from the uncompressed archive. Or: gunzip tarfile.gz which uncompresses the tarfile and removes the compressed one. Probably still needs enough space to hold both the compressed and uncompressed, but only until it finishes decompressing, then deletes the compressed one. then in either case, you should be able to just "tar xvf tarfile". -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. -- Philippians 4:13 --- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/NZK3LGHKMBNTL4VWCM72EGTSTGCCMRTS/
Re: Anyone have a favorite archive manager?
On 07/28/2018 12:49 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote: Is .gz2 a typo? I've only ever seen .bz2 or .gz. I doubt that's related, but it's a curiosity. It's a type. I wonder if that is why file-roller is having an issue. I will have to check later on today after all my backups are finished ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/OHWGBYGDZQZSG7IBX7WEUYXM27AHGA6D/
Re: Anyone have a favorite archive manager?
ToddAndMargo wrote: > Hi All, > > Fedora 28 > Xfce 4.12 > > I have several large tar balls > > -rwxr-xr-x. 1 todd users 6359558528 Jul 12 10:51 > 2018-07-12_OurStuff.tar.gz2 Is .gz2 a typo? I've only ever seen .bz2 or .gz. I doubt that's related, but it's a curiosity. > I have to deal with. They only extract (t or x) with the > command line "tar" command and crash both file-roller > and xarchive manager. Do they run out of memory? That would be my guess. I don't use GUI archive tools much at all, so I don't know if there's an option to have it simply extract the compressed tarball rather than try to decompress it first and then extract it from the .tar file. -- Todd ~~ The cynics are right nine times out of ten. -- H. L. Menchen (1880-1956) signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/FB5CC2TDWQNR36AKO2GVXYZWPYCGIPAU/
Re: Anyone have a favorite archive manager?
On 07/28/2018 12:23 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: I have several large tar balls -rwxr-xr-x. 1 todd users 6359558528 Jul 12 10:51 2018-07-12_OurStuff.tar.gz2 I have to deal with. They only extract (t or x) with the command line "tar" command and crash both file-roller and xarchive manager. Anyone have a favorite GUI tar ball reader that will work with large files? What are you trying to do with it? For something that big I would only use the command line. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/PJ7Z5YDZRBFRTJGJPEQ2W5SEYMFP7ZDR/
Anyone have a favorite archive manager?
Hi All, Fedora 28 Xfce 4.12 I have several large tar balls -rwxr-xr-x. 1 todd users 6359558528 Jul 12 10:51 2018-07-12_OurStuff.tar.gz2 I have to deal with. They only extract (t or x) with the command line "tar" command and crash both file-roller and xarchive manager. Anyone have a favorite GUI tar ball reader that will work with large files? Many thanks, -T ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/HQ2I5UYJZYZWTBCEY6HVFVXBOMLWBRH5/
