Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-28 Thread Jim

On 03/24/2013 09:14 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:

On 03/24/2013 08:54 PM, Jim wrote:

The thing that is blowing my mind and I just don't understand,  Why is

this 2009 Samsung driver working on a Asus Mini Laptop w/Fedora 18 and
not a Acer and HP PC towers.

There has got to be something very Simple going on.


Check the cups filter chain for correct ownership and permissions. Set
it up in debug mode and look for clues as to what's hanging it up.  I
fought with it for quite a while on one distribution, I don't remember
which one, that had a problem with the filter chain.  The issue may
have been caused by the distribution, not the Samsung driver. YMMV



var/log/messages


Mar 23 13:52:43 michael-Aspire-M3450 kernel: [ 1643.981375] traps:
rastertosamsung[1993] general protection ip:4cd237e7 sp:bfbc458c error:0
in libc-2.15.so[4cbe8000+1ab000]
Mar 23 13:52:43 michael-Aspire-M3450 abrt[2002]: Saved core dump of pid
1993 (/usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertosamsungsplc) to
/var/spool/abrt/ccpp-2013-03-23-13:52:43-1993 (10006528 bytes)




Mar 23 13:52:43 michael-Aspire-M3450 abrt[2002]: Saved core dump of pid
1993 (/usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertosamsungsplc) to
/var/spool/abrt/ccpp-2013-03-23-13:52:43-1993 (10006528 bytes)

Check that rastertosamsungsplc has ownership and permissions similar 
to other filters in /usr/lib/cups/filter


Is should probably be something like:

-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  17960 Mar  1 04:41 rastertosamsungsplc

All the files in the /filter folder had the -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 
permission settings.


The main problem was the old driver not working with latest Fedora 18.

This Website had a version 4,00 of the UnifiedLinuxDriver that did a 
better job than the older driver.


http://www.bchemnet.com/suldr/forum/index.php?board=2.0

and here

http://www.bchemnet.com/suldr/
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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-25 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Jim  wrote:

> I'm looking to buy a Laser Printer that will work great in Fedora, in the
> price range of $200 - $400 price range. any recommendations ?


Anything by HP with PCL5 support and a network port (Ethernet RJ45 LAN)
will be an open standards/protocols printer and useable by any linux distro
(or even unix) with a minimum of effort, usually out of the box.

FC
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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer Samsung Printer Won't Print (Solved)

2013-03-25 Thread davidschaak1
Sórry Mark. That0 was meant for you
Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone powered by Mobilicity

-Original Message-
From: Mark LaPierre 
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 18:56:24 
To: Community support for Fedora users
Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users 
Subject: Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer Samsung Printer Won't
Print (Solved)

On 03/25/2013 06:51 PM, Jim wrote:
> On 03/25/2013 06:33 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:
>> On 03/25/2013 11:54 AM, Jim wrote:
>>> On 03/24/2013 09:14 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:
>>>> -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  17960 Mar  1 04:41 rastertosamsungsplc
>>>
>>> All of the files in /usr/lib/cups/filter  has the same owner and
>>> permissions as below.
>>>
>>> -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  132260 Feb 9 2010 rastertosamsungsplc
>>
>> Well I'm fresh out of bright ideas.
>>
>> Do you have selinux enabled?  Maybe that's the root of your problems.
>>
> Here is the Fix.
> This website let me download the version 4.00 of the UnifiedLinuxDrive
> driver which fixed the problem for Fedora 18.
> But in addition to that I had to goto /usr/lib/cups/filter and do a
> chmod 755 on some of the files that did not have execute permissions
> before the driver would work.
>
> http://www.bchemnet.com/suldr/
>
> Thanks for your help.

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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-25 Thread davidschaak1
Sorry for top posting. Bbm prog won't allow bottom posts.

Jim, thanx for that url. My samsung ml1675 works with the updated driver. 
Finally I can say bye-bye xp.

Dave

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-Original Message-
From: Jim 
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 18:51:32 
To: Community support for Fedora users
Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users 
Subject: Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

On 03/25/2013 06:33 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:
> On 03/25/2013 11:54 AM, Jim wrote:
>> On 03/24/2013 09:14 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:
>>> -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  17960 Mar  1 04:41 rastertosamsungsplc
>>
>> All of the files in /usr/lib/cups/filter  has the same owner and
>> permissions as below.
>>
>> -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  132260 Feb 9 2010 rastertosamsungsplc
>
> Well I'm fresh out of bright ideas.
>
> Do you have selinux enabled?  Maybe that's the root of your problems.
>
Here is the Fix.
This website let me download the version 4.00 of the UnifiedLinuxDrive 
driver which fixed the problem for Fedora 18.
But in addition to that I had to goto /usr/lib/cups/filter and do a 
chmod 755 on some of the files that did not have execute permissions 
before the driver would work.

http://www.bchemnet.com/suldr/

Thanks for your help.
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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer Samsung Printer Won't Print (Solved)

2013-03-25 Thread Mark LaPierre

On 03/25/2013 06:51 PM, Jim wrote:

On 03/25/2013 06:33 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:

On 03/25/2013 11:54 AM, Jim wrote:

On 03/24/2013 09:14 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:

-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  17960 Mar  1 04:41 rastertosamsungsplc


All of the files in /usr/lib/cups/filter  has the same owner and
permissions as below.

-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  132260 Feb 9 2010 rastertosamsungsplc


Well I'm fresh out of bright ideas.

Do you have selinux enabled?  Maybe that's the root of your problems.


Here is the Fix.
This website let me download the version 4.00 of the UnifiedLinuxDrive
driver which fixed the problem for Fedora 18.
But in addition to that I had to goto /usr/lib/cups/filter and do a
chmod 755 on some of the files that did not have execute permissions
before the driver would work.

http://www.bchemnet.com/suldr/

Thanks for your help.


;-)

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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-25 Thread Jim

On 03/25/2013 06:33 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:

On 03/25/2013 11:54 AM, Jim wrote:

On 03/24/2013 09:14 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:

-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  17960 Mar  1 04:41 rastertosamsungsplc


All of the files in /usr/lib/cups/filter  has the same owner and
permissions as below.

-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  132260 Feb 9 2010 rastertosamsungsplc


Well I'm fresh out of bright ideas.

Do you have selinux enabled?  Maybe that's the root of your problems.


Here is the Fix.
This website let me download the version 4.00 of the UnifiedLinuxDrive 
driver which fixed the problem for Fedora 18.
But in addition to that I had to goto /usr/lib/cups/filter and do a 
chmod 755 on some of the files that did not have execute permissions 
before the driver would work.


http://www.bchemnet.com/suldr/

Thanks for your help.
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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-25 Thread Mark LaPierre

On 03/25/2013 11:54 AM, Jim wrote:

On 03/24/2013 09:14 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:

-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  17960 Mar  1 04:41 rastertosamsungsplc


All of the files in /usr/lib/cups/filter  has the same owner and
permissions as below.

-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  132260 Feb 9 2010 rastertosamsungsplc


Well I'm fresh out of bright ideas.

Do you have selinux enabled?  Maybe that's the root of your problems.

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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-25 Thread Jim

On 03/24/2013 09:14 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  17960 Mar  1 04:41 rastertosamsungsplc 


All of the files in /usr/lib/cups/filter  has the same owner and 
permissions as below.


-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  132260 Feb 9 2010 rastertosamsungsplc
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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-24 Thread Mark LaPierre

On 03/24/2013 08:54 PM, Jim wrote:

The thing that is blowing my mind and I just don't understand,  Why is

this 2009 Samsung driver working on a Asus Mini Laptop w/Fedora 18 and
not a Acer and HP PC towers.

There has got to be something very Simple going on.


Check the cups filter chain for correct ownership and permissions. Set
it up in debug mode and look for clues as to what's hanging it up.  I
fought with it for quite a while on one distribution, I don't remember
which one, that had a problem with the filter chain.  The issue may
have been caused by the distribution, not the Samsung driver.  YMMV



var/log/messages


Mar 23 13:52:43 michael-Aspire-M3450 kernel: [ 1643.981375] traps:
rastertosamsung[1993] general protection ip:4cd237e7 sp:bfbc458c error:0
in libc-2.15.so[4cbe8000+1ab000]
Mar 23 13:52:43 michael-Aspire-M3450 abrt[2002]: Saved core dump of pid
1993 (/usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertosamsungsplc) to
/var/spool/abrt/ccpp-2013-03-23-13:52:43-1993 (10006528 bytes)




Mar 23 13:52:43 michael-Aspire-M3450 abrt[2002]: Saved core dump of pid
1993 (/usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertosamsungsplc) to
/var/spool/abrt/ccpp-2013-03-23-13:52:43-1993 (10006528 bytes)

Check that rastertosamsungsplc has ownership and permissions similar to 
other filters in /usr/lib/cups/filter


Is should probably be something like:

-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  17960 Mar  1 04:41 rastertosamsungsplc

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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-24 Thread Jim

The thing that is blowing my mind and I just don't understand,  Why is

this 2009 Samsung driver working on a Asus Mini Laptop w/Fedora 18 and
not a Acer and HP PC towers.

There has got to be something very Simple going on.


Check the cups filter chain for correct ownership and permissions.  
Set it up in debug mode and look for clues as to what's hanging it 
up.  I fought with it for quite a while on one distribution, I don't 
remember which one, that had a problem with the filter chain.  The 
issue may have been caused by the distribution, not the Samsung 
driver.  YMMV




var/log/messages


Mar 23 13:52:00 michael-Aspire-M3450 dbus-daemon[739]: dbus[739]: 
[system] Activating service name='org.opensuse.CupsPkHelper.Mechanism' 
(using servicehelper)
Mar 23 13:52:00 michael-Aspire-M3450 dbus[739]: [system] Activating 
service name='org.opensuse.CupsPkHelper.Mechanism' (using servicehelper)
Mar 23 13:52:00 michael-Aspire-M3450 dbus-daemon[739]: dbus[739]: 
[system] Successfully activated service 
'org.opensuse.CupsPkHelper.Mechanism'
Mar 23 13:52:00 michael-Aspire-M3450 dbus[739]: [system] Successfully 
activated service 'org.opensuse.CupsPkHelper.Mechanism'
Mar 23 13:52:00 michael-Aspire-M3450 dbus-daemon[739]: dbus[739]: 
[system] Activating service name='net.reactivated.Fprint' (using 
servicehelper)
Mar 23 13:52:00 michael-Aspire-M3450 dbus[739]: [system] Activating 
service name='net.reactivated.Fprint' (using servicehelper)
Mar 23 13:52:00 michael-Aspire-M3450 dbus-daemon[739]: Launching 
FprintObject
Mar 23 13:52:00 michael-Aspire-M3450 dbus-daemon[739]: dbus[739]: 
[system] Successfully activated service 'net.reactivated.Fprint'
Mar 23 13:52:00 michael-Aspire-M3450 dbus[739]: [system] Successfully 
activated service 'net.reactivated.Fprint'
Mar 23 13:52:00 michael-Aspire-M3450 dbus-daemon[739]: ** Message: D-Bus 
service launched with name: net.reactivated.Fprint
Mar 23 13:52:00 michael-Aspire-M3450 dbus-daemon[739]: ** Message: 
entering main loop
Mar 23 13:52:10 michael-Aspire-M3450 systemd[1]: Cannot add dependency 
job for unit mdmonitor-takeover.service, ignoring: Unit 
mdmonitor-takeover.service failed to load: No such file or directory. 
See system logs and 'systemctl status mdmonitor-takeover.service' for 
details.
Mar 23 13:52:30 michael-Aspire-M3450 dbus-daemon[739]: ** Message: No 
devices in use, exit
Mar 23 13:52:42 michael-Aspire-M3450 systemd[1]: Cannot add dependency 
job for unit mdmonitor-takeover.service, ignoring: Unit 
mdmonitor-takeover.service failed to load: No such file or directory. 
See system logs and 'systemctl status mdmonitor-takeover.service' for 
details.
Mar 23 13:52:42 michael-Aspire-M3450 dbus-daemon[739]: dbus[739]: 
[system] Activating service name='org.opensuse.CupsPkHelper.Mechanism' 
(using servicehelper)
Mar 23 13:52:42 michael-Aspire-M3450 dbus[739]: [system] Activating 
service name='org.opensuse.CupsPkHelper.Mechanism' (using servicehelper)
Mar 23 13:52:42 michael-Aspire-M3450 dbus-daemon[739]: dbus[739]: 
[system] Successfully activated service 
'org.opensuse.CupsPkHelper.Mechanism'
Mar 23 13:52:42 michael-Aspire-M3450 dbus[739]: [system] Successfully 
activated service 'org.opensuse.CupsPkHelper.Mechanism'
Mar 23 13:52:43 michael-Aspire-M3450 kernel: [ 1643.981375] traps: 
rastertosamsung[1993] general protection ip:4cd237e7 sp:bfbc458c error:0 
in libc-2.15.so[4cbe8000+1ab000]
Mar 23 13:52:43 michael-Aspire-M3450 abrt[2002]: Saved core dump of pid 
1993 (/usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertosamsungsplc) to 
/var/spool/abrt/ccpp-2013-03-23-13:52:43-1993 (10006528 bytes)
Mar 23 13:52:43 michael-Aspire-M3450 abrtd: Directory 
'ccpp-2013-03-23-13:52:43-1993' creation detected
Mar 23 13:52:43 michael-Aspire-M3450 abrtd: Executable 
'/usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertosamsungsplc' doesn't belong to any package
Mar 23 13:52:43 michael-Aspire-M3450 abrtd: 'post-create' on 
'/var/spool/abrt/ccpp-2013-03-23-13:52:43-1993' exited with 1
Mar 23 13:52:43 michael-Aspire-M3450 abrtd: Corrupted or bad directory 
'/var/spool/abrt/ccpp-2013-03-23-13:52:43-1993', deleting
Mar 23 13:52:44 michael-Aspire-M3450 systemd[1]: Cannot add dependency 
job for unit mdmonitor-takeover.service, ignoring: Unit 
mdmonitor-takeover.service failed to load: No such file or directory. 
See system logs and 'systemctl status mdmonitor-takeover.service' for 
details.








Cups/error_log

W [23/Mar/2013:13:52:10 -0400] Duplicate listen address 
"/var/run/cups/cups.sock" ignored.
E [23/Mar/2013:13:52:10 -0400] Unknown directive JobPrivateAccess on 
line 85 of /etc/cups/cupsd.conf.
E [23/Mar/2013:13:52:10 -0400] Unknown directive JobPrivateValues on 
line 86 of /etc/cups/cupsd.conf.
E [23/Mar/2013:13:52:10 -0400] Unknown directive 
SubscriptionPrivateAccess on line 87 of /etc/cups/cupsd.conf.
E [23/Mar/2013:13:52:10 -0400] Unknown directive 
SubscriptionPrivateValues on line 88 of /etc/cups/cupsd.conf.
W [23/Mar/2013:13:52:10 -0400] failed to CreateProfile: 
org.freedesktop.ColorManager.AlreadyExists

Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-24 Thread Tom Horsley
Another thing that can affect printing is which packages
you have installed. At some point fedora (suffering from
acute malignant optimism) seemed to get the idea that
gutenprint was an adequate replacement for foomatic,
so they stopped including foomatic by default,
but the foomatic package is still available in the repos,
and every printer I've ever tried has always worked better
with foomatic than with gutenprint.
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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-24 Thread Mark LaPierre

On 03/24/2013 07:11 PM, Jim wrote:

On 03/24/2013 06:59 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:

On 03/24/2013 06:36 PM, Jim wrote:

On 03/24/2013 01:28 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:

On 03/22/2013 07:51 PM, Jim wrote:

I'm looking to buy a Laser Printer that will work great in Fedora, in
the price range of $200 - $400 price range. any recommendations ?

Don't want any more Samsung printers they don't care about Linux
support.


Hey, don't be so quick to diss on Samsung.  They were among the first
manufacturers to support Linux, even if they don't do it open source.

I've got a Samsung ML-1740 that has worked flawlessly with multiple
flavors of Linux, including several Fedora releases. About the only
problem I've ever had with it is a cups filter that was installed with
incorrect ownership permissions.  I'm not sure that was Samsung's
fault.

I would also recommend that you get and HP printer.  They don't
support Linux at all, but they do support the HPLip project and they
also produce good quality prints.




The thing that is blowing my mind and I just don't understand, Why is
this 2009 Samsung driver working on a Asus Mini Laptop w/Fedora 18 and
not a Acer and HP PC towers.

There has got to be something very Simple going on.


Check the cups filter chain for correct ownership and permissions. Set
it up in debug mode and look for clues as to what's hanging it up.  I
fought with it for quite a while on one distribution, I don't remember
which one, that had a problem with the filter chain.  The issue may
have been caused by the distribution, not the Samsung driver.  YMMV




How would I run this test, nothing is popping up saying denied
permissions .
and everything is setup in su -


one might go to whatever menu item on your system, maybe 
system/admin/printing, or something to that effect depending on what 
desktop you are using.  Select the problem printer, try to send a test 
print to it.  When said test print fails to appear then look for a 
button or check box that says something like, "Did the test print 
work?".  Say no it didn't and then look for a place to enable debut mode.


It's very unlikely that I have the same desktop DE that you have so I 
can not be any more specific as the the steps required.


Also check the cups logs for clues.

[mlapier@mushroom ~]$ locate cups | grep log


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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-24 Thread Jim

On 03/24/2013 06:59 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:

On 03/24/2013 06:36 PM, Jim wrote:

On 03/24/2013 01:28 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:

On 03/22/2013 07:51 PM, Jim wrote:

I'm looking to buy a Laser Printer that will work great in Fedora, in
the price range of $200 - $400 price range. any recommendations ?

Don't want any more Samsung printers they don't care about Linux
support.


Hey, don't be so quick to diss on Samsung.  They were among the first
manufacturers to support Linux, even if they don't do it open source.

I've got a Samsung ML-1740 that has worked flawlessly with multiple
flavors of Linux, including several Fedora releases. About the only
problem I've ever had with it is a cups filter that was installed with
incorrect ownership permissions.  I'm not sure that was Samsung's 
fault.


I would also recommend that you get and HP printer.  They don't
support Linux at all, but they do support the HPLip project and they
also produce good quality prints.




The thing that is blowing my mind and I just don't understand, Why is
this 2009 Samsung driver working on a Asus Mini Laptop w/Fedora 18 and
not a Acer and HP PC towers.

There has got to be something very Simple going on.


Check the cups filter chain for correct ownership and permissions.  
Set it up in debug mode and look for clues as to what's hanging it 
up.  I fought with it for quite a while on one distribution, I don't 
remember which one, that had a problem with the filter chain.  The 
issue may have been caused by the distribution, not the Samsung 
driver.  YMMV





How would I run this test, nothing is popping up saying denied permissions .
and everything is setup in su -
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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-24 Thread Mark LaPierre

On 03/24/2013 06:36 PM, Jim wrote:

On 03/24/2013 01:28 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:

On 03/22/2013 07:51 PM, Jim wrote:

I'm looking to buy a Laser Printer that will work great in Fedora, in
the price range of $200 - $400 price range. any recommendations ?

Don't want any more Samsung printers they don't care about Linux
support.


Hey, don't be so quick to diss on Samsung.  They were among the first
manufacturers to support Linux, even if they don't do it open source.

I've got a Samsung ML-1740 that has worked flawlessly with multiple
flavors of Linux, including several Fedora releases. About the only
problem I've ever had with it is a cups filter that was installed with
incorrect ownership permissions.  I'm not sure that was Samsung's fault.

I would also recommend that you get and HP printer.  They don't
support Linux at all, but they do support the HPLip project and they
also produce good quality prints.




The thing that is blowing my mind and I just don't understand,  Why is
this 2009 Samsung driver working on a Asus Mini Laptop w/Fedora 18 and
not a Acer and HP PC towers.

There has got to be something very Simple going on.


Check the cups filter chain for correct ownership and permissions.  Set 
it up in debug mode and look for clues as to what's hanging it up.  I 
fought with it for quite a while on one distribution, I don't remember 
which one, that had a problem with the filter chain.  The issue may have 
been caused by the distribution, not the Samsung driver.  YMMV


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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-24 Thread Jim

On 03/24/2013 01:28 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:

On 03/22/2013 07:51 PM, Jim wrote:

I'm looking to buy a Laser Printer that will work great in Fedora, in
the price range of $200 - $400 price range. any recommendations ?

Don't want any more Samsung printers they don't care about Linux 
support.


Hey, don't be so quick to diss on Samsung.  They were among the first 
manufacturers to support Linux, even if they don't do it open source.


I've got a Samsung ML-1740 that has worked flawlessly with multiple 
flavors of Linux, including several Fedora releases. About the only 
problem I've ever had with it is a cups filter that was installed with 
incorrect ownership permissions.  I'm not sure that was Samsung's fault.


I would also recommend that you get and HP printer.  They don't 
support Linux at all, but they do support the HPLip project and they 
also produce good quality prints.





The thing that is blowing my mind and I just don't understand,  Why is 
this 2009 Samsung driver working on a Asus Mini Laptop w/Fedora 18 and 
not a Acer and HP PC towers.


There has got to be something very Simple going on.
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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-24 Thread Mark LaPierre

On 03/22/2013 07:51 PM, Jim wrote:

I'm looking to buy a Laser Printer that will work great in Fedora, in
the price range of $200 - $400 price range. any recommendations ?

Don't want any more Samsung printers they don't care about Linux support.


Hey, don't be so quick to diss on Samsung.  They were among the first 
manufacturers to support Linux, even if they don't do it open source.


I've got a Samsung ML-1740 that has worked flawlessly with multiple 
flavors of Linux, including several Fedora releases.  About the only 
problem I've ever had with it is a cups filter that was installed with 
incorrect ownership permissions.  I'm not sure that was Samsung's fault.


I would also recommend that you get and HP printer.  They don't support 
Linux at all, but they do support the HPLip project and they also 
produce good quality prints.


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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-23 Thread Fred Erickson
On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 19:51:24 -0400
Jim  wrote:

> I'm looking to buy a Laser Printer that will work great in Fedora, in 
> the price range of $200 - $400 price range. any recommendations ?
> 
> Don't want any more Samsung printers they don't care about Linux
> support.

I have a HP LaserJet-CM1415fnw which is a color laser all-in-one
scanner, printer, copier, fax and was in your price range. Wireless
printing works fine from linux with the hp and cups software. It's not a
speed demon and the paper tray isn't very large so wouldn't be too good
in a busy office. 

Before the HP, I had a cheap Samsung, ML1510, if I remember correctly.
It cost about the same as the toner cartridge. Used it with linux till
it died. I believe they had a linux file on their CD but I just used
cups. Haven't tried any new models though.
Fred
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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-23 Thread poma
On 24.03.2013 02:18, Bill Davidsen wrote:
...
> I have used a lot of HP printers because they use Postscript and their
> own graphics language which is also supported, and because I've had good
> luck with their scanners working, and they seem pretty reliable, and HP
> keeps the toner available for a long time. If you just want b/w the 1320
> has been good to me.
> 
> I have a lot of other HP stuff working with Linux, an old SCSI scanner
> (legal size, not letter), and one of their big 11x17 printers for large
> stuff.
> 

Bill, thanks for the tips, but I am fine with all printers I manage.
And yes, PostScript printers are the true printers.
Problematic are a brand new models, not the old proven horses. ;)


poma

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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-23 Thread Bill Davidsen

Jim wrote:

On 03/23/2013 02:07 PM, poma wrote:

On 23.03.2013 17:17, Jim wrote:

On 03/23/2013 01:24 AM, poma wrote:

On 23.03.2013 04:04, Fred Smith wrote:
...

I'll assume that their other/newer products would work as well.


*assume*
Unfortunately this is an accurate description.
With CUPS, selecting the right printer has always been risky, too many
elements constantly changed, side by side with an outdated manufacturers
drivers.
An especially with the ever changing Fedora.
Fairest would be to leave the choice to the OP.
One I can recommend, the PostScript printer.

If these can help..
http://www.openprinting.org/printers
http://www.cups.org/ppd.php
http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/p_Supported_Printers.php
http://foo2qpdl.rkkda.com/
http://splix.ap2c.org/

poma




I totally agree with you Poma this changing of Library files that affect
printing and manf. like Samsung that make one driver for Linux and won't
update their drivers because they don't want to support Linux,because
they don't see Linux as viable on the Desktop, they just can't accept
the reality that Linux is bigger than they think, Linux has total
control over the Internet servers and many large companies.
The problem is there is no real way to gauge how many Linux
installations are out there.

I can say I will never buy another Samsung Printer even tho I agree they
make a very good printer.

If you meant *color* model at the first place, only those at the top
offers are worth mentioning, i.e. CLP-[567][5678][058] - the *true*
PostScript printers, not GDI or similar ones, whatever wire protocol are
used. But for your budget they are too much, and not only from that
manufacturer.
What comes to my mind, you can try with printing from an virtual machine
on which you current printer work, at least until a better solution can
be found.


poma


Can Linux be run inside a Virtual OS inside Windows 7,
The two computers I'm having problems with have Window 7 installed on them, BUT
THE THOUGHT OF THAT JUST MAKES ME CRINGE.


I would think you would be happier running Win7 under Linux in a VM, but be sure 
your computers support hardware virtualization rather than just paravirtualized 
operation. Next info is "in most cases" stuff, use as a starting point:

Intel i7 - hardware VM and hyperthreading (SMT)
Intel i5 - hardware VM
Intel i3 - multi-core, all single threaded, non-VM
 AMD - all multi-core 64bit seem to do hardware VM

You can boot a Live CD from CD/USB and look in /proc/cpuinfo at the CPU flags.

Note that I have had zero issue running XP in a VM, Win7 there are install 
tricks, ask someone else who has the latest.


Other note, you can run your printer in Linux and use SAMBA to make it available 
to Windows running in a VM. Read up on that, I found it while doing something 
else, no notes worth sharing.


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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-23 Thread Bill Davidsen

poma wrote:

On 23.03.2013 04:04, Fred Smith wrote:
...

I'll assume that their other/newer products would work as well.



*assume*
Unfortunately this is an accurate description.
With CUPS, selecting the right printer has always been risky, too many
elements constantly changed, side by side with an outdated manufacturers
drivers.
An especially with the ever changing Fedora.
Fairest would be to leave the choice to the OP.
One I can recommend, the PostScript printer.

If these can help..
http://www.openprinting.org/printers
http://www.cups.org/ppd.php
http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/p_Supported_Printers.php
http://foo2qpdl.rkkda.com/
http://splix.ap2c.org/

I have used a lot of HP printers because they use Postscript and their own 
graphics language which is also supported, and because I've had good luck with 
their scanners working, and they seem pretty reliable, and HP keeps the toner 
available for a long time. If you just want b/w the 1320 has been good to me.


I have a lot of other HP stuff working with Linux, an old SCSI scanner (legal 
size, not letter), and one of their big 11x17 printers for large stuff.


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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-23 Thread doug

On 03/23/2013 02:51 PM, Jim wrote:

On 03/23/2013 02:07 PM, poma wrote:

On 23.03.2013 17:17, Jim wrote:

On 03/23/2013 01:24 AM, poma wrote:

On 23.03.2013 04:04, Fred Smith wrote:
...

I'll assume that their other/newer products would work as well.


*assume*
Unfortunately this is an accurate description.
With CUPS, selecting the right printer has always been risky, too many
elements constantly changed, side by side with an outdated 
manufacturers

drivers.
An especially with the ever changing Fedora.
Fairest would be to leave the choice to the OP.
One I can recommend, the PostScript printer.

If these can help..
http://www.openprinting.org/printers
http://www.cups.org/ppd.php
http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/p_Supported_Printers.php
http://foo2qpdl.rkkda.com/
http://splix.ap2c.org/

poma



I totally agree with you Poma this changing of Library files that 
affect
printing and manf. like Samsung that make one driver for Linux and 
won't

update their drivers because they don't want to support Linux,because
they don't see Linux as viable on the Desktop, they just can't accept
the reality that Linux is bigger than they think, Linux has total
control over the Internet servers and many large companies.
The problem is there is no real way to gauge how many Linux
installations are out there.

I can say I will never buy another Samsung Printer even tho I agree 
they

make a very good printer.

If you meant *color* model at the first place, only those at the top
offers are worth mentioning, i.e. CLP-[567][5678][058] - the *true*
PostScript printers, not GDI or similar ones, whatever wire protocol are
used. But for your budget they are too much, and not only from that
manufacturer.
What comes to my mind, you can try with printing from an virtual machine
on which you current printer work, at least until a better solution can
be found.


poma


Can Linux be run inside a Virtual OS inside Windows 7,
The two computers I'm having problems with have Window 7 installed on 
them, BUT THE THOUGHT OF THAT JUST MAKES ME CRINGE.
I don't think you have to do that. Lots of printers work with Linux now. 
As I read the lists, and look at the Linux compatibility
charts, I am thinking that HP is a pretty sure bet--but do look at the 
compatibility listings. FWIW, I have an "ancient" HP 2200D,
which I have converted to dn by adding an HP digital interface card, and 
it works nicely with Linux. AAMOF, I had more

trouble getting it to play on the network with Windows 7!

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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-23 Thread poma
On 23.03.2013 19:51, Jim wrote:
...
> Can Linux be run inside a Virtual OS inside Windows 7,
> The two computers I'm having problems with have Window 7 installed on
> them, BUT THE THOUGHT OF THAT JUST MAKES ME CRINGE.

If the virtualizer on the *host* OS support such *guest*, why not.
Heh, I thought of the Fedora 18 as host and e.g. CentOS 6.4 as
guest(virtual), but whatever suits you best.

poma




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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-23 Thread Jim

On 03/23/2013 02:07 PM, poma wrote:

On 23.03.2013 17:17, Jim wrote:

On 03/23/2013 01:24 AM, poma wrote:

On 23.03.2013 04:04, Fred Smith wrote:
...

I'll assume that their other/newer products would work as well.


*assume*
Unfortunately this is an accurate description.
With CUPS, selecting the right printer has always been risky, too many
elements constantly changed, side by side with an outdated manufacturers
drivers.
An especially with the ever changing Fedora.
Fairest would be to leave the choice to the OP.
One I can recommend, the PostScript printer.

If these can help..
http://www.openprinting.org/printers
http://www.cups.org/ppd.php
http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/p_Supported_Printers.php
http://foo2qpdl.rkkda.com/
http://splix.ap2c.org/

poma




I totally agree with you Poma this changing of Library files that affect
printing and manf. like Samsung that make one driver for Linux and won't
update their drivers because they don't want to support Linux,because
they don't see Linux as viable on the Desktop, they just can't accept
the reality that Linux is bigger than they think, Linux has total
control over the Internet servers and many large companies.
The problem is there is no real way to gauge how many Linux
installations are out there.

I can say I will never buy another Samsung Printer even tho I agree they
make a very good printer.

If you meant *color* model at the first place, only those at the top
offers are worth mentioning, i.e. CLP-[567][5678][058] - the *true*
PostScript printers, not GDI or similar ones, whatever wire protocol are
used. But for your budget they are too much, and not only from that
manufacturer.
What comes to my mind, you can try with printing from an virtual machine
on which you current printer work, at least until a better solution can
be found.


poma


Can Linux be run inside a Virtual OS inside Windows 7,
The two computers I'm having problems with have Window 7 installed on 
them, BUT THE THOUGHT OF THAT JUST MAKES ME CRINGE.

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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-23 Thread poma
On 23.03.2013 17:17, Jim wrote:
> On 03/23/2013 01:24 AM, poma wrote:
>> On 23.03.2013 04:04, Fred Smith wrote:
>> ...
>>> I'll assume that their other/newer products would work as well.
>>>
>> *assume*
>> Unfortunately this is an accurate description.
>> With CUPS, selecting the right printer has always been risky, too many
>> elements constantly changed, side by side with an outdated manufacturers
>> drivers.
>> An especially with the ever changing Fedora.
>> Fairest would be to leave the choice to the OP.
>> One I can recommend, the PostScript printer.
>>
>> If these can help..
>> http://www.openprinting.org/printers
>> http://www.cups.org/ppd.php
>> http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/p_Supported_Printers.php
>> http://foo2qpdl.rkkda.com/
>> http://splix.ap2c.org/
>>
>> poma
>>
>>
>>
> I totally agree with you Poma this changing of Library files that affect
> printing and manf. like Samsung that make one driver for Linux and won't
> update their drivers because they don't want to support Linux,because
> they don't see Linux as viable on the Desktop, they just can't accept
> the reality that Linux is bigger than they think, Linux has total
> control over the Internet servers and many large companies.
> The problem is there is no real way to gauge how many Linux
> installations are out there.
> 
> I can say I will never buy another Samsung Printer even tho I agree they
> make a very good printer.

If you meant *color* model at the first place, only those at the top
offers are worth mentioning, i.e. CLP-[567][5678][058] - the *true*
PostScript printers, not GDI or similar ones, whatever wire protocol are
used. But for your budget they are too much, and not only from that
manufacturer.
What comes to my mind, you can try with printing from an virtual machine
on which you current printer work, at least until a better solution can
be found.


poma

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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-23 Thread Jim

On 03/23/2013 01:24 AM, poma wrote:

On 23.03.2013 04:04, Fred Smith wrote:
...

I'll assume that their other/newer products would work as well.


*assume*
Unfortunately this is an accurate description.
With CUPS, selecting the right printer has always been risky, too many
elements constantly changed, side by side with an outdated manufacturers
drivers.
An especially with the ever changing Fedora.
Fairest would be to leave the choice to the OP.
One I can recommend, the PostScript printer.

If these can help..
http://www.openprinting.org/printers
http://www.cups.org/ppd.php
http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/p_Supported_Printers.php
http://foo2qpdl.rkkda.com/
http://splix.ap2c.org/

poma



I totally agree with you Poma this changing of Library files that affect 
printing and manf. like Samsung that make one driver for Linux and won't 
update their drivers because they don't want to support Linux,because 
they don't see Linux as viable on the Desktop, they just can't accept 
the reality that Linux is bigger than they think, Linux has total 
control over the Internet servers and many large companies.
The problem is there is no real way to gauge how many Linux 
installations are out there.


I can say I will never buy another Samsung Printer even tho I agree they 
make a very good printer.

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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-23 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 23.03.2013, Jim wrote: 

> I'm looking to buy a Laser Printer that will work great in Fedora, in the
> price range of $200 - $400 price range. any recommendations ?

HP Laserjet Pro 1606dn

We have to of them at work, and they have been working hassle-free and
reliably several years.

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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-22 Thread poma
On 23.03.2013 04:04, Fred Smith wrote:
...
> I'll assume that their other/newer products would work as well.
> 

*assume*
Unfortunately this is an accurate description.
With CUPS, selecting the right printer has always been risky, too many
elements constantly changed, side by side with an outdated manufacturers
drivers.
An especially with the ever changing Fedora.
Fairest would be to leave the choice to the OP.
One I can recommend, the PostScript printer.

If these can help..
http://www.openprinting.org/printers
http://www.cups.org/ppd.php
http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/p_Supported_Printers.php
http://foo2qpdl.rkkda.com/
http://splix.ap2c.org/

poma



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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-22 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Tom Horsley  said:
> Yea, I went back and took a look at the Brother web
> site, and they actually list Linux explicitly as
> a compatible OS in their specs (at least for
> the couple of printers I looked at). That's
> practically a ringing endorsement since it sure
> seems like most linux compatible devices don't
> actually mention linux anywhere even though
> they do work if you try them :-).

One note: some Brother printers don't work without a binary-only driver
downloaded from Brother (that is 32-bit only).

If you want to look at Fedora compatibility out-of-the-box, pull up the
"add new printer" dialog and look at the list.  IIRC you can tell it you
are installing a printer on a parallel port or something like that to
get it to let you to the "select a make/model" phase.

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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-22 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Fri, 2013-03-22 at 23:00 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: 
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 21:26:37 -0400
> staticsafe wrote:
> 
> > This one is great -
> > http://www.brother-usa.com/Printer/ModelDetail/1/HL2270DW/spec
> > 
> > I suppose it is a successor to that line.
> 
> Yea, I went back and took a look at the Brother web
> site, and they actually list Linux explicitly as
> a compatible OS in their specs (at least for
> the couple of printers I looked at). That's
> practically a ringing endorsement since it sure
> seems like most linux compatible devices don't
> actually mention linux anywhere even though
> they do work if you try them :-).
> 

Brother does include Linux support, but their PostScript or their Linux
driver has a bug that they've never fixed (at least for my 5250DN). One
example bug is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=795824.  This
has not been fixed.

I also have an HP OfficeJet 8600 all-in-one and that seems to work well.

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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-22 Thread Fred Smith
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 07:51:24PM -0400, Jim wrote:
> I'm looking to buy a Laser Printer that will work great in Fedora,
> in the price range of $200 - $400 price range. any recommendations ?
> 
> Don't want any more Samsung printers they don't care about Linux support.

I've got an old Brother HL2070N laser printer that originally cost
around a hundred bucks. it "just works", mostly, without even using
brother's linux drivers. I say mostly, because you kinda have to try
the various drivers that Cups offers, for that printer, since some
of them  DON'T work (very well, or at all). but pick the right one
and it works beautifully.

I'll assume that their other/newer products would work as well.
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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-22 Thread Tom Horsley
On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 21:26:37 -0400
staticsafe wrote:

> This one is great -
> http://www.brother-usa.com/Printer/ModelDetail/1/HL2270DW/spec
> 
> I suppose it is a successor to that line.

Yea, I went back and took a look at the Brother web
site, and they actually list Linux explicitly as
a compatible OS in their specs (at least for
the couple of printers I looked at). That's
practically a ringing endorsement since it sure
seems like most linux compatible devices don't
actually mention linux anywhere even though
they do work if you try them :-).
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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-22 Thread staticsafe
On 3/22/2013 21:22, Jim wrote:
> On 03/22/2013 09:17 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 19:51:24 -0400
>> Jim wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking to buy a Laser Printer that will work great in Fedora, in
>>> the price range of $200 - $400 price range. any recommendations ?
>>>
>>> Don't want any more Samsung printers they don't care about Linux
>>> support.
>> My Brother HL 2040 works fine, but I bought it a long time
>> ago, they may not make that model any longer.
> Your right, I do need to know of any late models.
> 
> Thanks
This one is great -
http://www.brother-usa.com/Printer/ModelDetail/1/HL2270DW/spec

I suppose it is a successor to that line.

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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-22 Thread Jim

On 03/22/2013 09:17 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:

On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 19:51:24 -0400
Jim wrote:


I'm looking to buy a Laser Printer that will work great in Fedora, in
the price range of $200 - $400 price range. any recommendations ?

Don't want any more Samsung printers they don't care about Linux support.

My Brother HL 2040 works fine, but I bought it a long time
ago, they may not make that model any longer.

Your right, I do need to know of any late models.

Thanks
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Re: Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-22 Thread Tom Horsley
On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 19:51:24 -0400
Jim wrote:

> I'm looking to buy a Laser Printer that will work great in Fedora, in 
> the price range of $200 - $400 price range. any recommendations ?
> 
> Don't want any more Samsung printers they don't care about Linux support.

My Brother HL 2040 works fine, but I bought it a long time
ago, they may not make that model any longer.
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Anyone that can Recommend a Laser Printer

2013-03-22 Thread Jim
I'm looking to buy a Laser Printer that will work great in Fedora, in 
the price range of $200 - $400 price range. any recommendations ?


Don't want any more Samsung printers they don't care about Linux support.
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