Re: Backup for server

[Armelius Cameron]

On Thursday, June 07, 2012 08:33:37 AM Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-06-07 at 13:11 +0300, Alan Holt wrote:
> > My boss doesn't want it =( Don't know what to say.. He is a boss. So
> > that's
> > why I am looking for something else.
> 
> [Please don't top-post. Read the list guidelines]
> 
> Tell him you found this great utility called rsnapshot that does
> everything he wants. Don't tell him it's a wrapper round rsync.
> 
> poc

I second the suggestion for rsnapshot. It does exactly what your requirement 
ask for. I've been using it (at work and at home) for several years to backup 
multiple servers. Restoring is also simple (done that too).

AC

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Re: Backup for server

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

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On 06/07/2012 07:58 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Alan Holt  wrote:
>> Hello all, I am looking for backup program that will work on Fedora 16
>> server.
>> The task is simple:
>> - Snapshots every night
>> - Full backup one time in the week
>>
>> I am keeping to look in Google, but may be somebody already use
something
>> tool for similar purpose.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> P.S> rsync is good but I think not enough for server where I
have important
>> data.
>
> I use BackupPC (available in the main repos) at home and have also set
> it up in a business environment as a contractor. There is some front
> end setup but it works quite well and uses a web interface.
>
> You can use rsync, tar, or smb as backup methods. I'm not sure what
> your boss has against rsync but with backup PC it's all done over an
> SSH tunnel so it's just as secure as any other method.
>
> Richard
rsync will also use a ssh tunnel. From the man page, it looks like
this is now the default option. It used to use rsh, with ssh being
an option. There are security concerns with using the older r*
tools. If I remember correctly, it has to do with the service you
had to run in order to use them. (I can not remember what it is
called - it has been too long sense the last time I had it
installed/enabled.)

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Re: Backup for server

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2012-06-08 at 02:11 +0100, Andy Campbell wrote:
> > On Thu, 2012-06-07 at 13:11 +0300, Alan Holt wrote:
> >> My boss doesn't want it =( Don't know what to say.. He is a boss. So
> >> that's
> >> why I am looking for something else.
> >
> > Tell him you found this great utility called rsnapshot that does
> > everything he wants. Don't tell him it's a wrapper round rsync.
> >
> 
> On that topic, another great solution is rdiff-backup.
> http://www.nongnu.org/rdiff-backup/
> 
> Yes, this is based on rsync, but it has some very nice additions, so
> your boss might approve
> :: easy to deploy - available in the standard Fedora repo, no need for
> a server, just one standard package on each box
> :: backup remote servers with a 1 line command (assuming you have SSL
> key authentication configured)
> :: can easily run through SSL, for example, if you need to backup over
> the internet
> :: uses rsync as a transport, so it's pretty fast (it only sends
> changes over the network)
> :: wraps rsync to add extra features, including tracking of
> differentials on every backup
> :: so your backup filesystem will contain a complete mirror of what
> you backed up, not an archive.  This means you can easily login to the
> backup server and simply browse/copy files direct out of the last
> backup (no need to extract individual files, just browse, view, copy,
> directly), OR, you can roll a file back to previous dates, such as
> "restore this file to how it was 15 days ago"
> :: it works great

Actually rsnapshot does pretty much all of that as well, though details
are different. I use it over an NFS connection to my home NAS (an Iomega
box that I can't log into, but that's another story). Rsnapshot uses
hard link farms to keep snapshots of the entire backed-up volume, so
going back in time is easy with standard Linux commands. And it's also a
standard Fedora package.

There are some differences between the two (e.g. rdiff-backup actually
stores diffs, which rsnapshot doesn't do, but doesn't allow deletion of
intermediate snapshots, which rsnapshot does allow) but it's probably
six of one and half a dozen of the other for most people.

A comparison:
http://www.saltycrane.com/blog/2008/02/backup-on-linux-rsnapshot-vs-rdiff/ 
(somewhat old by now but the discussion is updated recently).

There's also a GUI for rsnapshot in the Fedora repos: backintime-gnome
or backintime-kde. I haven't tried it.

Cheers

poc

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Re: Backup for server

[Lionel Montrieux]

On 07/06/12 13:58, Richard Shaw wrote:

[...]
I use BackupPC (available in the main repos) at home and have also set
it up in a business environment as a contractor. There is some front
end setup but it works quite well and uses a web interface.

You can use rsync, tar, or smb as backup methods. I'm not sure what
your boss has against rsync but with backup PC it's all done over an
SSH tunnel so it's just as secure as any other method.


I also use BackupPC, for my own servers as well as a few customers'. 
It's easy to configure and has worked perfectly well for several years 
now, including a few emergency restores when a customer did use 'rm' a 
bit too liberally. Customers (and myself) love the web interface, that 
allows you to configure the backup settings, browse backups, and 
initiate restoration of individual files or entire directories.


BackupPC also features pooling, making sure that if a file has been 
backed up, a copy will not be created if it is backed up again from 
somewhere else. Great storage space saving strategy.


The only downside I can see is the lack of encryption support.

Hope that helps.

Lionel


Richard

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Re: Backup for server

[Andy Campbell]

> On Thu, 2012-06-07 at 13:11 +0300, Alan Holt wrote:
>> My boss doesn't want it =( Don't know what to say.. He is a boss. So
>> that's
>> why I am looking for something else.
>
> Tell him you found this great utility called rsnapshot that does
> everything he wants. Don't tell him it's a wrapper round rsync.
>

On that topic, another great solution is rdiff-backup.
http://www.nongnu.org/rdiff-backup/

Yes, this is based on rsync, but it has some very nice additions, so
your boss might approve
:: easy to deploy - available in the standard Fedora repo, no need for
a server, just one standard package on each box
:: backup remote servers with a 1 line command (assuming you have SSL
key authentication configured)
:: can easily run through SSL, for example, if you need to backup over
the internet
:: uses rsync as a transport, so it's pretty fast (it only sends
changes over the network)
:: wraps rsync to add extra features, including tracking of
differentials on every backup
:: so your backup filesystem will contain a complete mirror of what
you backed up, not an archive.  This means you can easily login to the
backup server and simply browse/copy files direct out of the last
backup (no need to extract individual files, just browse, view, copy,
directly), OR, you can roll a file back to previous dates, such as
"restore this file to how it was 15 days ago"
:: it works great
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Re: Backup for server

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2012-06-07 at 13:11 +0300, Alan Holt wrote:
> My boss doesn't want it =( Don't know what to say.. He is a boss. So
> that's
> why I am looking for something else.

[Please don't top-post. Read the list guidelines]

Tell him you found this great utility called rsnapshot that does
everything he wants. Don't tell him it's a wrapper round rsync.

poc

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Re: Backup for server

[Richard Shaw]

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Alan Holt  wrote:
> Hello all, I am looking for backup program that will work on Fedora 16
> server.
> The task is simple:
> - Snapshots every night
> - Full backup one time in the week
>
> I am keeping to look in Google, but may be somebody already use something
> tool for similar purpose.
> Thanks.
>
> P.S> rsync is good but I think not enough for server where I have important
> data.

I use BackupPC (available in the main repos) at home and have also set
it up in a business environment as a contractor. There is some front
end setup but it works quite well and uses a web interface.

You can use rsync, tar, or smb as backup methods. I'm not sure what
your boss has against rsync but with backup PC it's all done over an
SSH tunnel so it's just as secure as any other method.

Richard
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Re: Backup for server

[Alan Holt]

My boss doesn't want it =( Don't know what to say.. He is a boss. So that's
why I am looking for something else.


On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:51 PM, suvayu ali wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Alan Holt  wrote:
> > P.S> rsync is good but I think not enough for server where I have
> important
> > data.
>
> May I ask what is missing with rsync?
>
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Re: Backup for server

[suvayu ali]

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Alan Holt  wrote:
> P.S> rsync is good but I think not enough for server where I have important
> data.

May I ask what is missing with rsync?

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Re: Backup for server

[Thomas Schweikle]

Am 07.06.2012 10:18, schrieb Alan Holt:
> Hello all, I am looking for backup program that will work on Fedora
> 16 server.
> The task is simple:
> - Snapshots every night
> - Full backup one time in the week
> 
> I am keeping to look in Google, but may be somebody already use
> something tool for similar purpose.
> Thanks.
> 
> P.S> rsync is good but I think not enough for server where I have
> important data.

Bacula -- highly configurable, fully automatic, nearly what tivoly
storage manager does, but less the cost. Maybe: more work to find
out how to do things.

Have ~30 servers, 2 workstations backed up with bacula partly from
one destination to an other. Automated duplication of backup media
on the second destination.

Daily (some two times a day) incremental backup, weekly differential
backups, monthly full backups. Keeping the last 200 days history.
Once a month GAU recovery media is created from the backups for four
systems (bacula server and database, kerberos, ldap) to allow for
fast recovery in case the servers hosting company was involved in
some final accident.
I've to control the whole thing, but all work is automated --- took
some work to make it run, but now it does since two years.


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Re: Backup for server

[Alan Holt]

Thanks for suggestion, I am already checking...
Will be glad another suggestion too, thanks a lot.

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Gary Stainburn <
gary.stainb...@ringways.co.uk> wrote:

> On Thursday 07 June 2012 09:18:40 Alan Holt wrote:
> > Hello all, I am looking for backup program that will work on Fedora 16
> > server.
> > The task is simple:
> > - Snapshots every night
> > - Full backup one time in the week
> >
> > I am keeping to look in Google, but may be somebody already use something
> > tool for similar purpose.
> > Thanks.
> >
> > P.S> rsync is good but I think not enough for server where I have
> important
> > data.
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm sure you will get a number of different suggestions but my backup
> solution
> of choice is Bacula.  I use it to back up approx 100 Windows boxes and 10
> Linux workstations, laptop and servers
>
> Gary
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Re: Backup for server

[Gary Stainburn]

On Thursday 07 June 2012 09:18:40 Alan Holt wrote:
> Hello all, I am looking for backup program that will work on Fedora 16
> server.
> The task is simple:
> - Snapshots every night
> - Full backup one time in the week
>
> I am keeping to look in Google, but may be somebody already use something
> tool for similar purpose.
> Thanks.
>
> P.S> rsync is good but I think not enough for server where I have important
> data.

Hi,

I'm sure you will get a number of different suggestions but my backup solution 
of choice is Bacula.  I use it to back up approx 100 Windows boxes and 10 
Linux workstations, laptop and servers

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Backup for server

[Alan Holt]

Hello all, I am looking for backup program that will work on Fedora 16
server.
The task is simple:
- Snapshots every night
- Full backup one time in the week

I am keeping to look in Google, but may be somebody already use something
tool for similar purpose.
Thanks.

P.S> rsync is good but I think not enough for server where I have important
data.

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