Re: Between F11 and F12, which would you choose?

2010-03-07 Thread Allann Jones
To fix one of my problems, I found a driver for SiS 671/771 graphic
card to X.org greater than 7.3 at here:

- 
http://estebanordano.com.ar/sis-m671m672-driver-for-xorg-xserver-7-5-on-debian-sidux/

Compiled and work on F12. It needs a fix on make 'man', fix or comment
it on Makefile.

But only 2D resources is working, no 3D, so no compiz, but the
resolution and performance is good.


The updates on F12 fixed the v4l problems on a Sonix webcam and on
Digital TV receivers, only needed to add the firmware files on
/lib/firmware.

There is a RPM for Mandriva that contains some firmware files at here:

- http://rpmlinux.org/dvb-firmware-pack

A howto for Digital TV configuration:

- http://dougsland.livejournal.com/103169.html

Need to configure the channels from the frequency table to each
country. On Brazil is like this:

- http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ISDB-T_Frequency_Table

Install 'dvb-apps' and pass the file that contains the frequency table
to 'scandvb' application and redirect the output to a file, this
output is the channels frequencies that VLC player understand.

No need anymore to manually install the v4l-dvb from git. The RPM from
F12 works great.


The ACPI only works on the kernel 2.6.32-git* series on a ASUStek
board, not on older and newer with the same configuration. On newer
kernels I need to disable local APIC on boot with 'nolapic', so loose
hibernation and brightness control, I am sniffing the cause. But for a
while I am using 2.6.32-git14 and it works great.

I compiled and installed a Ethernet driver for Realtek 8111/8168B from
the Realtek homepage and blacklist the default driver module, only
need to add some 'include' definitions on the source that was changed
on newer kernels.


I only need to configure some soft-modems now based on ALSA ;)


Thank you. Regards.


Linux rules.



On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 2:34 AM, Allann Jones allan...@gmail.com wrote:
 F12 fixes all the problems on a ACER notebook that I have including
 keyboard that I had problems on F10 (US International with ABNT2
 layout).

 But on a notebook with SiS chipsets (671/771) I still using F11
 because the xorg version on F12 has break some graphic drivers that
 depends on the old xorg architecture (maybe the major problems are
 with shared vga static variables defined on xf86resources.h that was
 removed). I got the SiS driver from Debian and build for F11 and need
 to compile the latest stable kernel to put ACPI (hibernate and suspend
 capabilities) correctly.

 I still using F11 on a machine with NVidia graphic cards but I will
 try to upgrade. F11 fixes many problems found on F8 on that machine
 including the video resolution. On machines with Intel graphic cards
 F12 is great.

 Gnome 2.28 is great. Many Nautilus bugs are fixed on display of
 directories in tree mode. I think that Gnome cut some old great
 resources to reorganize them and put each one again in a consistent
 and simpler mode in the correct time.

 F12 has some problems on v4l that F11 does not have. On F12 sometimes
 is necessary to download manually and build the latest v4l-dvb for
 some webcams to work correctly, I think the problem is on libv4l.

 I think that F12 can be better if upgrade the kernel to the latest
 release to use the new ACPI functionalities, running on a greater
 number of portable computers and having a functional hibernate and
 suspend capabilities, and without the need to disable ACPI on
 installer (that on F12 is better but the 2.6.32 or later kernels is
 great). Some variables was changed with this new kernel, but this was
 already ignored with xorg package.

 Read the release notes to check if your architecture was marked as
 obsolete on F12 or not.


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Re: Between F11 and F12, which would you choose?

2010-01-30 Thread Roger
On 01/30/2010 10:14 AM, Alan Cox wrote:
 The question remains: Do you just want to experiment and incur the
 problems that require expertise to fix, or do you want to use the os to
 drive applications which achieve results, if the latter then stick with
 Fedora 11.
  
 12 is visually much nicer, and has some good improvements - but I think
 that's good advice. The FC12 virtualisation still crashes (in bugzilla
 getting debugged) and there are some other rough edges.


Agreed.
Give it time and it will be a winner, but then Fedora 13 or 14 will be 
up and running.
This is why I look into upgrading a production os every  2nd or 3rd 
version and just play around with the latest version getting the hang of 
it's new attributes and capabilities.
R
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Re: Between F11 and F12, which would you choose?

2010-01-29 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Fri, 1/29/10, r...@dwf.com r...@dwf.com wrote:

 I have a half dozen machines updated
 to F11, and one to F12.
 Im wondering if I should update the F11s to F12 or leave
 well enough alone.
 
 I realize that the F11 distribution has reached a 'stable'
 status, and
 the F12 distribution will probably take a couple more
 months to reach
 that status, but would be interested in hearing what other
 users have
 to say about the pair.

Stay with F11 for now as long as it does everything you need it to do without 
problems.  If it ain't broke, don't fix it has always been my philosophy.

B
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Re: Between F11 and F12, which would you choose?

2010-01-29 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Freitag, den 29.01.2010, 01:17 -0700 schrieb r...@dwf.com:
 I have a half dozen machines updated to F11, and one to F12.
 Im wondering if I should update the F11s to F12 or leave well enough alone.
 
 I realize that the F11 distribution has reached a 'stable' status, and
 the F12 distribution will probably take a couple more months to reach
 that status, but would be interested in hearing what other users have
 to say about the pair.

It depends on your definition of stable:
If you define stable as everything works, then I'd say go for F12. F12
is one of the best releases we ever had, it was already rock solid when
it was still the beta or release candidate.
But when you define stable as feature complete, no API changes and only
a few updates, then it's F11. There is still a lot of updates coming for
F12 while F11 has calmed down.

Regards,
Christoph

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Re: Between F11 and F12, which would you choose?

2010-01-29 Thread Alan Cox
 The question remains: Do you just want to experiment and incur the 
 problems that require expertise to fix, or do you want to use the os to 
 drive applications which achieve results, if the latter then stick with 
 Fedora 11.

12 is visually much nicer, and has some good improvements - but I think
that's good advice. The FC12 virtualisation still crashes (in bugzilla
getting debugged) and there are some other rough edges.

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