Re: Can't send email
Am 18.07.2011 16:58, schrieb mike cloaked: > Similar criticism could be applied to chrome and its use of gnome > keyring or kwallet to store passwords? (I know that chrome is > proprietary - but presume that same applies to chromium?) why? > How many people had chrome working fine in their gnome desktop - and > then moved the profile to another machine with a KDE DE and then find > no passwords were present any more - there is a method to pull them > across but it would be oh so nice if copying the profile alone was > sufficient in this situation! it is not the fault of chrome using the native wallet of your desktop and that this is not shared between desktops, chrome tries the best for most users because i know nobody which switches from kde to gnome or vice versa signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Can't send email
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: > This is exactly why (half) solutions like this are really bad. A well > designed service should be a back end that works everywhere - and allow > front ends to be built (or shared) for different DE's. > > In this regard, the wallet managers are a failure. > > Network manager does it right - a daemon back end and a set of GUI's > to partner with it. A decent key manager would be similar. There'd be a > single API that apps can use - and the GUI's for user use the same API > to communicate with it. > > The idea of having a tool for a common task is a good one - the design > implementation is flawed and suffers from NIH. > > My view of course :-) Similar criticism could be applied to chrome and its use of gnome keyring or kwallet to store passwords? (I know that chrome is proprietary - but presume that same applies to chromium?) How many people had chrome working fine in their gnome desktop - and then moved the profile to another machine with a KDE DE and then find no passwords were present any more - there is a method to pull them across but it would be oh so nice if copying the profile alone was sufficient in this situation! -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
RE: Can't send email
-Original Message- I have been using Evolution under Gnome for a long time and under Gnome on my machine Very well, but the whole issue is about: using evolution under something else than Gnome. hw __ Dit bericht kan informatie bevatten die niet voor u is bestemd. Indien u niet de geadresseerde bent of dit bericht abusievelijk aan u is toegezonden, wordt u verzocht dat aan de afzender te melden en het bericht te verwijderen. De Staat aanvaardt geen aansprakelijkheid voor schade, van welke aard ook, die verband houdt met risico's verbonden aan het elektronisch verzenden van berichten. This message may contain information that is not intended for you. If you are not the addressee or if this message was sent to you by mistake, you are requested to inform the sender and delete the message. The State accepts no liability for damage of any kind resulting from the risks inherent in the electronic transmission of messages. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
RE: Can't send email
On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 09:56 +0200, j.witvl...@mindef.nl wrote: > > -Original Message- > From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org > [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Patrick > O'Callaghan > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 5:42 PM > To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Subject: Re: Can't send email > > > The OP didn't specify whether he was using Gnome or KDE. KMail uses > > Kwallet I think, where as Evolution uses gnome-keyring. I would guess > > the OP is using evolution in KDE and it fails to access gnome-keyring. > > I only ever use Evolution under KDE. It uses gnome-keyring just as it does > under Gnome. The only difference is that Evo prompts you for the keyring > password on starting up under a new session (just the first > time) as it doesn't get this info automatically from the login widget as it > does under Gnome. > > poc > I have been using Evolution under Gnome for a long time and under Gnome on my machine the first time you send a message it asks you for the SMTP passwd. It would have a hard time getting it from the login widget since login on my machines uses a different passwd. -- === The world is coming to an end--save your buffers! === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Can't send email
On 07/18/2011 08:34 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > but the situation seems to be like the > weather: everyone complains but nobody does anything about it. If the situation were really like the weather then nobody *can* do anything about it. :-) -- Even if you do learn to speak correct English, whom are you going to speak it to? -- Clarence Darrow -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Can't send email
On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 07:47 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 07/18/2011 03:56 AM, j.witvl...@mindef.nl wrote: > > >> the OP is using evolution in KDE and it fails to access gnome-keyring. > > > > I only ever use Evolution under KDE. It uses gnome-keyring just as it does > > under Gnome. The only difference is that Evo prompts you for the keyring > > password on starting up under a new session (just the first > > time) as it doesn't get this info automatically from the login widget as it > > does under Gnome. > > > > poc > > > > -- > > Seen that behaviour. > > > > Any chance of changing that? I mean, that gnome-keyring picking up the > > proper credentials? > > > > hw > > > This is exactly why (half) solutions like this are really bad. A well > designed service should be a back end that works everywhere - and allow > front ends to be built (or shared) for different DE's. > > In this regard, the wallet managers are a failure. > > Network manager does it right - a daemon back end and a set of GUI's > to partner with it. A decent key manager would be similar. There'd be a > single API that apps can use - and the GUI's for user use the same API > to communicate with it. > > The idea of having a tool for a common task is a good one - the design > implementation is flawed and suffers from NIH. > > My view of course :-) And mine, as I've said a number of times over the years. Last time I did so (can't find the reference, sorry) someone mentioned http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/secret-storage-spec. However that doesn't seem to be getting much traffic and the last update was 6 months ago. AFAIK no major distro is using this at the moment. Complaints about keyring/wallet incompatibility crop up quite regularly on various lists, not just here, but the situation seems to be like the weather: everyone complains but nobody does anything about it. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Can't send email
On 07/18/2011 03:56 AM, j.witvl...@mindef.nl wrote: >> the OP is using evolution in KDE and it fails to access gnome-keyring. > > I only ever use Evolution under KDE. It uses gnome-keyring just as it does > under Gnome. The only difference is that Evo prompts you for the keyring > password on starting up under a new session (just the first > time) as it doesn't get this info automatically from the login widget as it > does under Gnome. > > poc > > -- > Seen that behaviour. > > Any chance of changing that? I mean, that gnome-keyring picking up the proper > credentials? > > hw This is exactly why (half) solutions like this are really bad. A well designed service should be a back end that works everywhere - and allow front ends to be built (or shared) for different DE's. In this regard, the wallet managers are a failure. Network manager does it right - a daemon back end and a set of GUI's to partner with it. A decent key manager would be similar. There'd be a single API that apps can use - and the GUI's for user use the same API to communicate with it. The idea of having a tool for a common task is a good one - the design implementation is flawed and suffers from NIH. My view of course :-) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
RE: Can't send email
-Original Message- From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Patrick O'Callaghan Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 5:42 PM To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Can't send email > The OP didn't specify whether he was using Gnome or KDE. KMail uses > Kwallet I think, where as Evolution uses gnome-keyring. I would guess > the OP is using evolution in KDE and it fails to access gnome-keyring. I only ever use Evolution under KDE. It uses gnome-keyring just as it does under Gnome. The only difference is that Evo prompts you for the keyring password on starting up under a new session (just the first time) as it doesn't get this info automatically from the login widget as it does under Gnome. poc -- Seen that behaviour. Any chance of changing that? I mean, that gnome-keyring picking up the proper credentials? hw __ Dit bericht kan informatie bevatten die niet voor u is bestemd. Indien u niet de geadresseerde bent of dit bericht abusievelijk aan u is toegezonden, wordt u verzocht dat aan de afzender te melden en het bericht te verwijderen. De Staat aanvaardt geen aansprakelijkheid voor schade, van welke aard ook, die verband houdt met risico's verbonden aan het elektronisch verzenden van berichten. This message may contain information that is not intended for you. If you are not the addressee or if this message was sent to you by mistake, you are requested to inform the sender and delete the message. The State accepts no liability for damage of any kind resulting from the risks inherent in the electronic transmission of messages. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Can't send email
On Sat, 2011-07-16 at 16:32 +0200, suvayu ali wrote: > On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 4:11 PM, james tate wrote: > > one of two things, your password is not correct or your account settings > > is off. If you know your account settings compare with what you have in > > kmail. > > The OP didn't specify whether he was using Gnome or KDE. KMail uses > Kwallet I think, where as Evolution uses gnome-keyring. I would guess > the OP is using evolution in KDE and it fails to access gnome-keyring. I only ever use Evolution under KDE. It uses gnome-keyring just as it does under Gnome. The only difference is that Evo prompts you for the keyring password on starting up under a new session (just the first time) as it doesn't get this info automatically from the login widget as it does under Gnome. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Can't send email
Am 15.07.2011 23:34, schrieb Vinny: > From: james tate >> > On 07/13/2011 07:35 PM, Vincent Onelli wrote: >>> Hello, >>> I am having problem sending email, receiving is OK but sending keeping >>> at asking for password because can't authenticate. >>> The set up is identical to my laptop which work OK, I rechecked >>> several times, I also redone the set up few times. The OS is F15 >>> any of you good people have some suggestion? Vinny. >> Are you using Thunderbird to send mail ? >> >> I find when you send a email a window will open for your email password >> and it is is hidden down behind any open window where you can't see it, >> and your email won't send until your SMTP gets it's email password. >> - >> > I do get window that ask for password, and I enter password, then a second > window appears "Unable to authenticate to SMTP server. > Bad authentication response from server" > > I am sending this email from the same computer using Kmail, however, I would > like to go back to Evolution if it can be fixed i owuld bet evolution is misconfigured and you should contect your serveradmin because this is the only person who can look what exactly happens what auth-method are you using and what does you server support? telnet you-smtp 587 below a smtp-session to look what the server supports [harry@srv-rhsoft:~]$ telnet mail.thelounge.net 587 Trying 10.0.0.15... Connected to mail.thelounge.net. Escape character is '^]'. 220 mail.thelounge.net hardened ESMTP EHLO harry 250-mail.thelounge.net 250-PIPELINING 250-SIZE 36700160 250-VRFY 250-STARTTLS 250-AUTH CRAM-MD5 DIGEST-MD5 PLAIN LOGIN 250-AUTH=CRAM-MD5 DIGEST-MD5 PLAIN LOGIN 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES 250 8BITMIME signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Can't send email
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 4:11 PM, james tate wrote: > one of two things, your password is not correct or your account settings > is off. If you know your account settings compare with what you have in > kmail. The OP didn't specify whether he was using Gnome or KDE. KMail uses Kwallet I think, where as Evolution uses gnome-keyring. I would guess the OP is using evolution in KDE and it fails to access gnome-keyring. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Can't send email
On 07/15/2011 05:34 PM, Vinny wrote: > From: james tate > On 07/13/2011 07:35 PM, Vincent Onelli wrote: >>> Hello, >>> I am having problem sending email, receiving is OK but sending keeping >>> at asking for password because can't authenticate. >>> The set up is identical to my laptop which work OK, I rechecked >>> several times, I also redone the set up few times. The OS is F15 >>> any of you good people have some suggestion? Vinny. >> Are you using Thunderbird to send mail ? >> >> I find when you send a email a window will open for your email password >> and it is is hidden down behind any open window where you can't see it, >> and your email won't send until your SMTP gets it's email password. >> - >> > I do get window that ask for password, and I enter password, then a second > window appears "Unable to authenticate to SMTP server. > Bad authentication response from server" > > I am sending this email from the same computer using Kmail, however, I would > like to go back to Evolution if it can be fixed. one of two things, your password is not correct or your account settings is off. If you know your account settings compare with what you have in kmail. Last resort , Call your ISP and get correct settings. example: Server Name: Port #: Security and Authentication: Username: -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Can't send email
On Fri, 2011-07-15 at 17:34 -0400, Vinny wrote: > From: james tate > > > On 07/13/2011 07:35 PM, Vincent Onelli wrote: > > > Hello, > > > I am having problem sending email, receiving is OK but sending keeping > > > at asking for password because can't authenticate. > > > The set up is identical to my laptop which work OK, I rechecked > > > several times, I also redone the set up few times. The OS is F15 > > > any of you good people have some suggestion? Vinny. > > Are you using Thunderbird to send mail ? > > > > I find when you send a email a window will open for your email password > > and it is is hidden down behind any open window where you can't see it, > > and your email won't send until your SMTP gets it's email password. > > - > > > I do get window that ask for password, and I enter password, then a second > window appears "Unable to authenticate to SMTP server. > Bad authentication response from server" > > I am sending this email from the same computer using Kmail, however, I would > like to go back to Evolution if it can be fixed. Evolution works for me. What needs to be fixed? -- === If you have a procedure with 10 parameters, you probably missed some. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Can't send email
On 07/15/2011 02:34 PM, Vinny wrote: > I do get window that ask for password, and I enter password, then a second > window appears "Unable to authenticate to SMTP server. > Bad authentication response from server" Have you considered asking your email provider's tech support? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Can't send email
On 07/15/2011 12:18 PM, james tate wrote: > On 07/15/2011 03:14 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: >> On 07/13/2011 04:41 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >>> sure that you are using the same MUA and same authentication methods? >>> ssl settings (STARTTLS or SSL on Port 465) are the same? >> You might (as I do) have to use SMTPAUTH on Port 587. > Joe, what is the exact command I would have to use ? First, you check with your email provider to find out if the password is sent insecurely or encrypted and make sure what port it's using. Then, you go through Edit->Account Settings->Outgoing Server (SMTP) then select your server and Edit. Change the Port Number to the one you were told and set the various settings below it to match what you were told then click OK. The first time you try to send, you'll get a pop-up box to put in your password, and there should be a checkbox to Save it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Can't send email
From: james tate > On 07/13/2011 07:35 PM, Vincent Onelli wrote: > > Hello, > > I am having problem sending email, receiving is OK but sending keeping > > at asking for password because can't authenticate. > > The set up is identical to my laptop which work OK, I rechecked > > several times, I also redone the set up few times. The OS is F15 > > any of you good people have some suggestion? Vinny. > Are you using Thunderbird to send mail ? > > I find when you send a email a window will open for your email password > and it is is hidden down behind any open window where you can't see it, > and your email won't send until your SMTP gets it's email password. > - > I do get window that ask for password, and I enter password, then a second window appears "Unable to authenticate to SMTP server. Bad authentication response from server" I am sending this email from the same computer using Kmail, however, I would like to go back to Evolution if it can be fixed. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Can't send email
On 07/15/2011 03:14 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 07/13/2011 04:41 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> sure that you are using the same MUA and same authentication methods? >> ssl settings (STARTTLS or SSL on Port 465) are the same? > You might (as I do) have to use SMTPAUTH on Port 587. Joe, what is the exact command I would have to use ? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Can't send email
On 07/13/2011 04:41 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > sure that you are using the same MUA and same authentication methods? > ssl settings (STARTTLS or SSL on Port 465) are the same? You might (as I do) have to use SMTPAUTH on Port 587. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Can't send email
On 07/13/2011 07:35 PM, Vincent Onelli wrote: Hello, I am having problem sending email, receiving is OK but sending keeping at asking for password because can't authenticate. The set up is identical to my laptop which work OK, I rechecked several times, I also redone the set up few times. The OS is F15 any of you good people have some suggestion? Vinny. Are you using Thunderbird to send mail ? I find when you send a email a window will open for your email password and it is is hidden down behind any open window where you can't see it, and your email won't send until your SMTP gets it's email password. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Can't send email
On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 16:35 -0700, Vincent Onelli wrote: > Hello, > I am having problem sending email, receiving is OK but sending keeping at > asking > for password because can't authenticate. > The set up is identical to my laptop which work OK, I rechecked several > times, I > also redone the set up few times. The OS is F15 > any of you good people have some suggestion? Vinny. You need to give at least *some* information about your setup if you want a useful answer. At a bare minimum: are you seeing the problem with sendmail or with some mail client, and if so which one? Also, what authentication methods does the SMTP server support? Note that sending and receiving mail are two different things, and the fact that one works doesn't necessarily mean anything to the other. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Can't send email
Am 14.07.2011 01:35, schrieb Vincent Onelli: > I am having problem sending email, receiving is OK but sending keeping at > asking > for password because can't authenticate is the password correct? > The set up is identical to my laptop which work OK, I rechecked several times > I also redone the set up few times sure that you are using the same MUA and same authentication methods? ssl settings (STARTTLS or SSL on Port 465) are the same? > The OS is F15 the OS version is not relevant what is relevant is what MUA you are using (Thunderbird, Evolution, Kmail..) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Can't send email
Hello, I am having problem sending email, receiving is OK but sending keeping at asking for password because can't authenticate. The set up is identical to my laptop which work OK, I rechecked several times, I also redone the set up few times. The OS is F15 any of you good people have some suggestion? Vinny.-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
