Re: Considering Asus Prime Z370-A; need video recommendations
On Wed, 2018-07-18 at 16:20 -0400, Alex wrote: > > Also, if you're doing the photo-editing in the VM you will only be able > > to use the native Nvidia Windows drivers by doing GPU passthrough, in > > which case you will need a second GPU for Linux (you probably have an > > integrated one already on the motherboard). This will also put > > constraints on the kind of motherboard you can use (I do this for > > Windows gaming and it took quite a bit of fiddling to get working, > > though it's stable once it does work). > > Can you explain this further? This involves one cable to one monitor > for Windows and another cable to another monitor for Linux? You can do it that way, but I have both cables going into an HDMI switch and then to my single monitor. The switch has a button to select which input to use. It's important to get a switch that maintains a signal on the unselected input, otherwise the GPU might think it's disconnected and do something funny (especially if it's the Windows side), otherwise it works well. You also have to switch the keyboard and mouse unless you want to double up on those, but QEMU/KVM handles it fine with a Ctrl-Alt combo. However that's the easy part. The trickier part is to get Linux to completely ignore the VM's GPU so as not to interfere with the Windows drivers in the VM, which means creating a boot line to turn it off. That in turn depends on details of your motherboard and chipset. Alex Williamson has a great blog at: https://vfio.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/vfio-gpu-how-to-series-part-1-hardware.html and there's a mailing list for all this at: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/vfio-users However, once again: this is for people who want to run Windows VMs that use proprietary device drivers, e.g. for DirectX graphics. It's probably not necessary if you're just doing photo editing (video editing may be another story). poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/KJCFAYTQSY7RFNX4HORGFFGW4WC4GUJA/
Re: Considering Asus Prime Z370-A; need video recommendations
Hi, On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 3:34 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2018-07-17 at 14:23 -0400, Alex wrote: >> > I don't know about AMD, but there is no real open-source driver from >> > NVIDIA, just some reverse engineered thing (Nouveau). Yes, they've >> > made an open-source driver, but they don't have the information needed >> > from the manufacturers to do create a completely functional driver. >> >> Yes, thanks, that's what I remember as well. >> >> I'm considering the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 GAMING 6GB GDDR5. Any >> thoughts or recommendations for/against this board? >> >> I don't think I'll be using it for games, but will probably be doing >> some photo editing in the Windows VM. > > If you aren't using it for games it's probably overkill. It might make > a difference if you were doing realistic scene-rendering, but photo > editing is not a high-demand application for modern CPUs. > > Also, if you're doing the photo-editing in the VM you will only be able > to use the native Nvidia Windows drivers by doing GPU passthrough, in > which case you will need a second GPU for Linux (you probably have an > integrated one already on the motherboard). This will also put > constraints on the kind of motherboard you can use (I do this for > Windows gaming and it took quite a bit of fiddling to get working, > though it's stable once it does work). Can you explain this further? This involves one cable to one monitor for Windows and another cable to another monitor for Linux? Thanks, Alex > > If you don't want to go down that road then your Windows VM will only > be using an emulated GPU and you won't be getting any of the benefit of > your fancy Nvidia card. > > poc > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/OVGVULIIBHB37AAF5PU2U65EJPABMTIV/ ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/VOOFLQSSMHQNS23NMUTF2JLKQ34M46SH/
Re: Considering Asus Prime Z370-A; need video recommendations
On Tue, 2018-07-17 at 14:23 -0400, Alex wrote: > > I don't know about AMD, but there is no real open-source driver from > > NVIDIA, just some reverse engineered thing (Nouveau). Yes, they've > > made an open-source driver, but they don't have the information needed > > from the manufacturers to do create a completely functional driver. > > Yes, thanks, that's what I remember as well. > > I'm considering the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 GAMING 6GB GDDR5. Any > thoughts or recommendations for/against this board? > > I don't think I'll be using it for games, but will probably be doing > some photo editing in the Windows VM. If you aren't using it for games it's probably overkill. It might make a difference if you were doing realistic scene-rendering, but photo editing is not a high-demand application for modern CPUs. Also, if you're doing the photo-editing in the VM you will only be able to use the native Nvidia Windows drivers by doing GPU passthrough, in which case you will need a second GPU for Linux (you probably have an integrated one already on the motherboard). This will also put constraints on the kind of motherboard you can use (I do this for Windows gaming and it took quite a bit of fiddling to get working, though it's stable once it does work). If you don't want to go down that road then your Windows VM will only be using an emulated GPU and you won't be getting any of the benefit of your fancy Nvidia card. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/OVGVULIIBHB37AAF5PU2U65EJPABMTIV/
Re: Considering Asus Prime Z370-A; need video recommendations
Hi, On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 5:09 AM, Tim via users wrote: > Allegedly, on or about 16 July 2018, Alex sent: >> I believe the open source support for NVIDIA is better than for AMD >> these days, correct? > > I don't know about AMD, but there is no real open-source driver from > NVIDIA, just some reverse engineered thing (Nouveau). Yes, they've > made an open-source driver, but they don't have the information needed > from the manufacturers to do create a completely functional driver. Yes, thanks, that's what I remember as well. I'm considering the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 GAMING 6GB GDDR5. Any thoughts or recommendations for/against this board? I don't think I'll be using it for games, but will probably be doing some photo editing in the Windows VM. There used to be a Hardware-Compatibility-HOWTO many years ago :-) Thanks, Alex > > NVIDIA provide a closed-source driver for Linux. But if you get it > from NVIDIA, it's great at stuffing your operating system installation > up, by stomping all over other things it has no business touching. > > There's a reasonably well packaged installer for it, that you do NOT > get directly from NVIDIA, you get them from a repo such as RPM Fusion > (there may be other repos, too, but I can't recall at the moment). It > installs NVIDIA's closed-source drivers, but in a sane manner. > > https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA > > -- > [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp > Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 > > Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. > There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see > the messages posted to the mailing list. > > Damn, I didn't mean to press *that* button! > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/L3UBE4VY7NOTHJENROSQY466NIOU4UXH/ ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/3XQKDZRSXECV3XEKCRJ6RADZAJRPIRIF/
Re: Considering Asus Prime Z370-A; need video recommendations
Allegedly, on or about 16 July 2018, Alex sent: > I believe the open source support for NVIDIA is better than for AMD > these days, correct? I don't know about AMD, but there is no real open-source driver from NVIDIA, just some reverse engineered thing (Nouveau). Yes, they've made an open-source driver, but they don't have the information needed from the manufacturers to do create a completely functional driver. NVIDIA provide a closed-source driver for Linux. But if you get it from NVIDIA, it's great at stuffing your operating system installation up, by stomping all over other things it has no business touching. There's a reasonably well packaged installer for it, that you do NOT get directly from NVIDIA, you get them from a repo such as RPM Fusion (there may be other repos, too, but I can't recall at the moment). It installs NVIDIA's closed-source drivers, but in a sane manner. https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Damn, I didn't mean to press *that* button! ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/L3UBE4VY7NOTHJENROSQY466NIOU4UXH/
Re: Considering Asus Prime Z370-A; need video recommendations
Open source supper is better for AMD these days, I do the same but with the i5 equivalent 8600k overclocked just fine. If you will be assigning a single video card to a window virtual machine you will not need to worry about SLI or Crossfire. If you are not doing GPU passthrough, unless you’re doing super number crunching or working in video rendering you don’t need to worry about SLI or Crossfire technologies. These technologies are for very specialized and often professional workflows for content creation or compute power via OpenCL On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 11:05 PM Alex wrote: > Hi, > I'm considering purchasing an Asus Prime Z370-A motherboard with an > i7-8700 processor for my new desktop. I plan on running fedora > exclusively with a few kvm virtual machines running fedora and win10. > > I'm looking for recommendations for video controllers. It says it > supports NVIDIA 2-way SLI and AMD 3-way CrossFireX, but I'm not even > sure that I understand what that means. It also has 2xPCIe 3.0 x16 > slots. > > I believe the open source support for NVIDIA is better than for AMD > these days, correct? > > I have about $300 to spend on a video controller. Recommendations on > specific controllers that work well with Fedora would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Alex > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/GTJGFDSGDEGATOVVYJOE3KXFZYGJXPYJ/ > -- sa...@fedoraproject.org ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/UTV5YUMDIRAVS53P3GSL23BALIIMUXHO/
Considering Asus Prime Z370-A; need video recommendations
Hi, I'm considering purchasing an Asus Prime Z370-A motherboard with an i7-8700 processor for my new desktop. I plan on running fedora exclusively with a few kvm virtual machines running fedora and win10. I'm looking for recommendations for video controllers. It says it supports NVIDIA 2-way SLI and AMD 3-way CrossFireX, but I'm not even sure that I understand what that means. It also has 2xPCIe 3.0 x16 slots. I believe the open source support for NVIDIA is better than for AMD these days, correct? I have about $300 to spend on a video controller. Recommendations on specific controllers that work well with Fedora would be appreciated. Thanks, Alex ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/GTJGFDSGDEGATOVVYJOE3KXFZYGJXPYJ/
