Re: Remastering ISO filenames (was: make a bootable dvd)

[Tim via users]

Jeffrey Walton:
>> ++. The firmware on my old Asus Q500a laptop wanted the efi filename
>> in all lowercase -- EFI/BOOT/bootx64.efi instead of
>> EFI/BOOT/BOOTx64.efi. The laptop would not boot to the DVD otherwise.
>> The UEFI on the laptop was by a company called Aptio.


On Thu, 2024-07-11 at 10:34 -0400, John Westerdale wrote:
> Thought that entries in a vfat file system are case sensitive? 

I think the issue with Jeffrey's laptop was that its firmware wanted a
specific case (when it possibly shouldn't).  Or, perhaps Linux
shouldn't be using such filenames, and has simply gotten away with it
on hardware that didn't care?  Though I see some reference to a UEFI
spec that says the filename should be "BOOTx64.EFI" (yet another
permutation).

You can have case-preserving filesystems, and case-ignoring
filesystems.  And the OS that uses that filesystem can do likewise
(take what it gets, ignore what's there and do what it likes, treat
UPPER and lower as the same, or treat them differently).

On the old DOS, whatever filename you typed was treated as UPPER case. 
Later OSs might have shown it that way when listing contents, or could
show it as lower case.  Then later OSs played games with dual filenames
for the same file.  It was a hideous mess to deal with.

Supposedly EFI uses a filesystem that's *based* on FAT but isn't
actually FAT - and without any defining specification of what it
actually is (therein lays fun and games).

FAT is (allegedly) case insensitive and stores all filenames as
UPPERCASE (which is odd, 7-bit ASCII has upper and lower case).  In any
case (pun intended), whatever reads a FAT filesystem may show the
filenames as they are, or mangle them.

More fun ensues if you create "FILENAME" and "filename" on a file
system that can store them as two different files, but then read them
with an OS that treats "FILENAME" and "filename" as being the same
thing.  How does it read the right file?  The two files may actually
have different contents.

Since the behaviour isn't particularly known (there's a myriad of
motherboard manufacturers), and there is no true advantage in being
able to have two separate and different BOOTx64.efi and bootx64.efi
files (any arguments for *needing* that are idiotic - if you need two
different boot files, then name them VERY differently), though there is
an argument for it being simpler coding to treat such filenames as
separate but that is not an argument for being able to create "FILE"
and "file" as a useful thing, it'd be sensible if UEFI didn't care for
the filename casing.  But that's out of our control, because the one
thing that would care, the motherboard's firmware, is made by other
people.

It'd be simpler if the UEFI spec said name it this way and the
motherboard's UEFI just looked for one filename.  But whatever a spec
may say about it, you'll probably find some manufacturer's firmware
does something else.

Short answer:  we're stuffed!

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Re: Remastering ISO filenames (was: make a bootable dvd)

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Thought that entries in a vfat file system are case sensitive?

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On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 9:42 PM Jeffrey Walton  wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 9:16 PM Tim via users
>  wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 2024-07-08 at 17:01 +0200, François Patte wrote:
> > > I downloaded the f40 iso for a worksation, but I did not see on the
> > > fedora website how to burn a bootable DVD with this iso file
> >
> > This page has some doing it from the command line instructions:
> >
> >
> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/creating-and-using-a-live-installation-image/
> >
> > Bear in mind that if it doesn't work, in the end, it *may* not be that
> > you've done something wrong.  I couldn't make a bootable disc (of any
> > kind) out of the spins.  I had to use the server edition.
> >
> > NB:  This is some kind of compatibility issue with *SOME* hardware and
> > some Fedora ISO files, not all hardware.
>
> ++. The firmware on my old Asus Q500a laptop wanted the efi filename
> in all lowercase -- EFI/BOOT/bootx64.efi instead of
> EFI/BOOT/BOOTx64.efi. The laptop would not boot to the DVD otherwise.
> The UEFI on the laptop was by a company called Aptio.
>
> Attached is the script I wrote to perform the rename. The ISO image
> could then be burned to CD.
>
> Jeff
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Remastering ISO filenames (was: make a bootable dvd)

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 9:16 PM Tim via users
 wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2024-07-08 at 17:01 +0200, François Patte wrote:
> > I downloaded the f40 iso for a worksation, but I did not see on the
> > fedora website how to burn a bootable DVD with this iso file
>
> This page has some doing it from the command line instructions:
>
> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/creating-and-using-a-live-installation-image/
>
> Bear in mind that if it doesn't work, in the end, it *may* not be that
> you've done something wrong.  I couldn't make a bootable disc (of any
> kind) out of the spins.  I had to use the server edition.
>
> NB:  This is some kind of compatibility issue with *SOME* hardware and
> some Fedora ISO files, not all hardware.

++. The firmware on my old Asus Q500a laptop wanted the efi filename
in all lowercase -- EFI/BOOT/bootx64.efi instead of
EFI/BOOT/BOOTx64.efi. The laptop would not boot to the DVD otherwise.
The UEFI on the laptop was by a company called Aptio.

Attached is the script I wrote to perform the rename. The ISO image
could then be burned to CD.

Jeff


fix-uefi-iso.sh
Description: Bourne shell script
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Re: make a bootable dvd

[Tim via users]

On Mon, 2024-07-08 at 17:01 +0200, François Patte wrote:
> I downloaded the f40 iso for a worksation, but I did not see on the 
> fedora website how to burn a bootable DVD with this iso file

This page has some doing it from the command line instructions:

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/creating-and-using-a-live-installation-image/

Bear in mind that if it doesn't work, in the end, it *may* not be that
you've done something wrong.  I couldn't make a bootable disc (of any
kind) out of the spins.  I had to use the server edition.

NB:  This is some kind of compatibility issue with *SOME* hardware and
some Fedora ISO files, not all hardware.

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Re: make a bootable dvd

[Michael Hennebry]

On Mon, 8 Jul 2024, Klaus-Peter Schrage via users wrote:


The OP definitely asked for a tool to create a bootable dvd.

With a gui, this may be done through k3b. As a commandline tool, wodim
should work, even the dd command:


dd used to work.
I've even used cp.
It's been a while.
So far as I know, neither will burn a disk anymore.


https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/how-to-burn-iso-image-to-dvd/79250


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Re: make a bootable dvd

[Klaus-Peter Schrage via users]

Am 08.07.2024 um 17:41 schrieb Patrick Dupre via users:


There is a fedora tool
Fedora Media Writer (see fedora web site)
also
unebootin




On 7/8/24 10:01 AM, François Patte wrote:

Bonjour,

I downloaded the f40 iso for a worksation, but I did not see on the
fedora website how to burn a bootable DVD with this iso file

Maybe someone can tell me how to proceed.

google indicates this for windows  no windows at home.

I prefer to use command line.

Thank you.

The easiest way is to just dd the iso file to a USB stick and boot off that.

This shows you the USB drive. On my system, I have two drives internal
drives, so my USB drive shows up as sdc:

lsblk

Once you've identified the USB drive, use dd to write it to the USB. In
my case, it's /dev/sdc:

dd if=/path/to/Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-40-1.14.iso of=/dev/sdc

Make sure your USB drive is large enough for the whole ISO file to be
written to it.

I also recommend Ventoy for booting off multiple ISO files:

https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html

Hope this helps!


The OP definitely asked for a tool to create a bootable dvd.

With a gui, this may be done through k3b. As a commandline tool, wodim
should work, even the dd command:

https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/how-to-burn-iso-image-to-dvd/79250

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Re: make a bootable dvd

[Patrick Dupre via users]

There is a fedora tool
Fedora Media Writer (see fedora web site)
also
unebootin



>
> On 7/8/24 10:01 AM, François Patte wrote:
> > Bonjour,
> > 
> > I downloaded the f40 iso for a worksation, but I did not see on the 
> > fedora website how to burn a bootable DVD with this iso file
> > 
> > Maybe someone can tell me how to proceed.
> > 
> > google indicates this for windows  no windows at home.
> > 
> > I prefer to use command line.
> > 
> > Thank you.
> 
> The easiest way is to just dd the iso file to a USB stick and boot off that.
> 
> This shows you the USB drive. On my system, I have two drives internal 
> drives, so my USB drive shows up as sdc:
> 
> lsblk
> 
> Once you've identified the USB drive, use dd to write it to the USB. In 
> my case, it's /dev/sdc:
> 
> dd if=/path/to/Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-40-1.14.iso of=/dev/sdc
> 
> Make sure your USB drive is large enough for the whole ISO file to be 
> written to it.
> 
> I also recommend Ventoy for booting off multiple ISO files:
> 
> https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html
> 
> Hope this helps!
> 
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Re: make a bootable dvd

[Thomas Cameron]

On 7/8/24 10:01 AM, François Patte wrote:

Bonjour,

I downloaded the f40 iso for a worksation, but I did not see on the 
fedora website how to burn a bootable DVD with this iso file


Maybe someone can tell me how to proceed.

google indicates this for windows  no windows at home.

I prefer to use command line.

Thank you.


The easiest way is to just dd the iso file to a USB stick and boot off that.

This shows you the USB drive. On my system, I have two drives internal 
drives, so my USB drive shows up as sdc:


lsblk

Once you've identified the USB drive, use dd to write it to the USB. In 
my case, it's /dev/sdc:


dd if=/path/to/Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-40-1.14.iso of=/dev/sdc

Make sure your USB drive is large enough for the whole ISO file to be 
written to it.


I also recommend Ventoy for booting off multiple ISO files:

https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html

Hope this helps!

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make a bootable dvd

[François Patte]

Bonjour,

I downloaded the f40 iso for a worksation, but I did not see on the 
fedora website how to burn a bootable DVD with this iso file


Maybe someone can tell me how to proceed.

google indicates this for windows  no windows at home.

I prefer to use command line.

Thank you.

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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Thomas Cameron]

On 4/4/24 00:27, Javier Perez wrote:


I was talking about kickstart


Here you go:

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f36/install-guide/advanced/Kickstart_Installations/

If you have any specific questions, feel free to ask.

I usually "cheat" by building a system like I want it and then using the 
/root/anaconda-ks.cfg as a starting point for my kickstart.cfg file.


Happy to give more details if you'd like.

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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Javier Perez]

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 12:21 PM Thomas Cameron <
thomas.came...@camerontech.com> wrote:

> On 4/1/24 00:25, Javier Perez wrote:
> > When I realize I need to nuke my machine and start over, it's:
> >
> > sudo -i
> > dmesg > /dev/nvme1n1
> > systemctl reboot
> > Choose the right kickstart from the menu.
> > Refill coffee.
> > Go back to working as if nothing happened. My home directory is there
> > and my machine is reset to sane defaults.
> >
> > --
> > Thomas
> >
> >
> > Neat! Is there a tutorial somewhere about how to do this?
> Not that I know of. I saw it in some article decades ago. Basically,
> what you're doing is overwriting the first few k of the disk, which
> overwrites the boot instructions and partitions and the like.
>
> Unless you're talking about kickstart or something else?
>

I was talking about kickstart


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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

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On Mar 25, 2024, at 13:43, Thomas Cameron  
wrote:
> 
> On 3/25/24 11:38, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2024-03-25 at 11:07 -0500, Thomas Cameron wrote:
>>> dmesg > /dev/nvme1n1
>> What's that about?
>> poc
> 
> To further clarify, my system uses NVMe drives (/dev/nvme0n1 and 
> /dev/nvme1n1). So when I do dmesg > /dev/nvme1n1 as root, it overwrites the 
> first few hundred k of the NVMe disk, nuking the partition tables and boot 
> instructions and the like. Then when I reboot, it causes my machine to PXE 
> boot. You can nuke any drive by writing to the first few sectors, so it could 
> have been /dev/sda, /dev/vda, /dev/xvda, or whatever.

On any modern system that uses UEFI, you can just use “efibootmgr -n ” to 
temporarily set the next boot target to be the PXE boot entry (which has its 
own unique entry, replace  with its number). Probably also worth deleting 
the existing entry to boot into Fedora at the same time. 

Wiping the partition table doesn’t always guarantee that the next boot will be 
PXE, which is why I liked to automate it specifically. 

No need to delete or wipe any bootloaders or partition tables, although it 
probably doesn’t hurt. I had a kickstart that preserved custom stuff like the 
krb5 keytab between reloads in the kickstart %pre section, so I didn’t want to 
just nuke the filesystem. 

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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Thomas Cameron]

On 4/1/24 17:10, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 4/1/24 15:03, Thomas Cameron wrote:
I've never heard of having to overwrite the end of the drive, but 
then, I've only been working with Linux professionally since 1995. 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯


GPT has a backup copy stored in the last block of the disk.


You are absolutely correct. My poor little systems aren't big enough to 
use GPT volumes (mostly smaller KVM instances), so I didn't think about 
that. :-D


Although I'm relatively certain I've nuked GPT volumes on my hypervisors 
when I've rebuilt them, and they were not visible as volumes when I 
reinstalled the OS. I'll dig into that, now you have me curious.


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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/1/24 15:03, Thomas Cameron wrote:
I've never heard of having to overwrite the end of the drive, but then, 
I've only been working with Linux professionally since 1995. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


GPT has a backup copy stored in the last block of the disk.
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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Thomas Cameron]

On 4/1/24 15:57, Barry Scott wrote:


I tend to dd of a few MiB of zeros over the front of the disk.
A few KiB is often not enough.
In some cases you also need to overwrite at the end of the disk I have been 
told.

Barry


TMTOWTDI.

The dmesg output is generally *plenty* to nuke the boot sector and 
render the drive unbootable, triggering a PXE boot. Depending on your 
hardware, the boot sector is either 512 bytes or 4096 bytes (4K), and 
the output of dmesg is over 40K on my system. So I'm lazy and just do:


dmesg > /dev/[device]
systemctl reboot

I've known folks who do:

cat /var/log/messages > /dev/[device]
systemctl reboot

or

dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/[device] bs=1M count=1
systemctl reboot

and that works, too.

I've never heard of having to overwrite the end of the drive, but then, 
I've only been working with Linux professionally since 1995. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Barry Scott]

On 1 Apr 2024, at 18:21, Thomas Cameron  wrote:
> 
> On 4/1/24 00:25, Javier Perez wrote:
>>When I realize I need to nuke my machine and start over, it's:
>>sudo -i
>>dmesg > /dev/nvme1n1
>>systemctl reboot
>>Choose the right kickstart from the menu.
>>Refill coffee.
>>Go back to working as if nothing happened. My home directory is there
>>and my machine is reset to sane defaults.
>>-- Thomas
>> Neat! Is there a tutorial somewhere about how to do this?
> Not that I know of. I saw it in some article decades ago. Basically, what 
> you're doing is overwriting the first few k of the disk, which overwrites the 
> boot instructions and partitions and the like.

I tend to dd of a few MiB of zeros over the front of the disk.
A few KiB is often not enough.
In some cases you also need to overwrite at the end of the disk I have been 
told.

Barry


> 
> Unless you're talking about kickstart or something else?
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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Thomas Cameron]

On 4/1/24 00:25, Javier Perez wrote:

When I realize I need to nuke my machine and start over, it's:

sudo -i
dmesg > /dev/nvme1n1
systemctl reboot
Choose the right kickstart from the menu.
Refill coffee.
Go back to working as if nothing happened. My home directory is there
and my machine is reset to sane defaults.

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Neat! Is there a tutorial somewhere about how to do this?
Not that I know of. I saw it in some article decades ago. Basically, 
what you're doing is overwriting the first few k of the disk, which 
overwrites the boot instructions and partitions and the like.


Unless you're talking about kickstart or something else?
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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Javier Perez]

On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 11:08 AM Thomas Cameron <
thomas.came...@camerontech.com> wrote:

> On 3/25/24 11:01, Joe Zeff wrote:
> >
> > If you have /home on its own partition, you don't even need to have it
> > mounted on your file server.  Just do a custom partitioning (I presume
> > that you can do that with a kickstart) mounting that partition as /home
> > and not reformatting and Bob's your uncle.  I know, as I've been doing
> > that for over two decades.
>
> I did that for a long time (been using Linux since '94), but now I have
> 10 gigabit ethernet between my desktop and my NFS server. It's fast as
> heck for /home.
>
> When I realize I need to nuke my machine and start over, it's:
>
> sudo -i
> dmesg > /dev/nvme1n1
> systemctl reboot
> Choose the right kickstart from the menu.
> Refill coffee.
> Go back to working as if nothing happened. My home directory is there
> and my machine is reset to sane defaults.
>
> --
> Thomas
>

Neat! Is there a tutorial somewhere about how to do this?


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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

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On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 7:31 PM Tim via users 
wrote:

> I hate having to deal with back-ups, it's time-consuming.  Things can
> go wrong with them too, like what my web host did:  Backed-up and
> restored my site's files without telling me (they were probably doing
> some maintenance on their gear the first time, the second time they
> were flailing around in the dark after they'd destroyed their perl
> installation).  Every file had their permissions fouled up.  Twice,
> now, I've had to un-munge about 1500 files.
>

T'is a common tale but true.

I once spent a summer rescuing plain text data files from a backup of CDC
Cyber
onto Solaris.  The files had records out of order or missing and blocks of
duplicated
records.  Over the years, there had been changes to the data format.

The original files were used to produce printed data reports, then later
scanned
with an automated system that sometimes messed up a page without anyone
checking.  In some cases OCR on short sections of the data reports was able
to replace missing records.

I did the work using command-line tools in Apple OSX.  Rather than manually
editing the files I was able to write shell scripts to remove duplicate
records, sort
them correctly, and adjust to a common format.  It was a big exercise in
POSIX
shell and utilities text processing.

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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Tim via users]

Tim:
>> Brute force and ignorance is a tried and tested method.  Trying to be
>> clever with boot menus, and carefully selecting specific partitions
>> while installing, often goes awry.  Not to mention the times you come
>> across an installer that only wants to do a full takeover of your
>> install drive and nuke everything that was on it.

Joe Zeff:
> In all the years I've been doing this I've never had it fail with a 
> Fedora re-installation.  Of course, I always have a full backup of /home 
> before I upgrade or re-install, JIK.

Me neither, but better safe than sorry.

I hate having to deal with back-ups, it's time-consuming.  Things can
go wrong with them too, like what my web host did:  Backed-up and
restored my site's files without telling me (they were probably doing
some maintenance on their gear the first time, the second time they
were flailing around in the dark after they'd destroyed their perl
installation).  Every file had their permissions fouled up.  Twice,
now, I've had to un-munge about 1500 files.
 
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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Thomas Cameron]

On 3/25/24 21:57, Joe Zeff wrote:


In all the years I've been doing this I've never had it fail with a 
Fedora re-installation.  Of course, I always have a full backup of /home 
before I upgrade or re-install, JIK.


I've never had it fail, either. But *in my case* it makes more sense for 
me to use an NFS mounted /home and now I just don't worry about it at 
all. I use a kickstart which rebuilds my desktop in about as much time 
as it takes me to pour a coffee and put my cream and sugar into it.


Not saying it's the right thing for anyone else. I am saying it's the 
right thing for me, in my little home lab.


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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2024-03-25 at 20:57 -0600, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 03/25/2024 07:57 PM, Tim via users wrote:
> > Brute force and ignorance is a tried and tested method.  Trying to
> > be
> > clever with boot menus, and carefully selecting specific partitions
> > while installing, often goes awry.  Not to mention the times you
> > come
> > across an installer that only wants to do a full takeover of your
> > install drive and nuke everything that was on it.
> 
> In all the years I've been doing this I've never had it fail with a 
> Fedora re-installation.  Of course, I always have a full backup of
> /home 
> before I upgrade or re-install, JIK.

Ditto.

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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Joe Zeff]

On 03/25/2024 07:57 PM, Tim via users wrote:

Brute force and ignorance is a tried and tested method.  Trying to be
clever with boot menus, and carefully selecting specific partitions
while installing, often goes awry.  Not to mention the times you come
across an installer that only wants to do a full takeover of your
install drive and nuke everything that was on it.


In all the years I've been doing this I've never had it fail with a 
Fedora re-installation.  Of course, I always have a full backup of /home 
before I upgrade or re-install, JIK.

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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Tim via users]

Thomas Cameron wrote:
>> I've actually set up my Linux machines so that they mount /home on an 
>> NFS file server in my home office. I can nuke my desktop and reinstall 
>> it in less than 10 minutes with a kickstart, and my home directory is 
>> unchanged. Makes it a lot easier when I do the inevitable "oops" and 
>> screw up my desktop.

Joe Zeff:
> If you have /home on its own partition, you don't even need to have it 
> mounted on your file server.  Just do a custom partitioning (I presume 
> that you can do that with a kickstart) mounting that partition as /home 
> and not reformatting and Bob's your uncle.  I know, as I've been doing 
> that for over two decades.
> 

I always favoured two drives in the box (separate software & data). 
You could easily unplug a data drive and be very sure that a new
install could *never* screw it up.

And back when I had some spares, I favoured unplugging all drives on an
old system, installing a new OS onto the spare drive in isolation, then
using it *instead* of the old system drive.  If the new OS install
didn't work, or a new design was a major pain, it was a moment's work
to go back to something that had worked.

Brute force and ignorance is a tried and tested method.  Trying to be
clever with boot menus, and carefully selecting specific partitions
while installing, often goes awry.  Not to mention the times you come
across an installer that only wants to do a full takeover of your
install drive and nuke everything that was on it.

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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2024-03-25 at 12:36 -0500, Thomas Cameron wrote:
> On 3/25/24 11:38, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Mon, 2024-03-25 at 11:07 -0500, Thomas Cameron wrote:
> > > dmesg > /dev/nvme1n1
> > 
> > What's that about?
> 
> If you overwrite the first few sectors of the drive (i.e. with the 
> output of the dmesg command), it nukes the boot instructions. It
> causes 
> my machine to PXE boot and I kickstart it.
> 
> Sorry, I should have been more clear about that. It could be
> anything. I 
> used to use dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/nvme1n1 bs=1M count=1 but dmesg
> is 
> quicker to type.

That's what I thought.

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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Samuel Sieb]

On 3/25/24 15:27, Michael Hennebry wrote:

On Mon, 25 Mar 2024, Samuel Sieb wrote:


On 3/25/24 08:21, Michael Hennebry wrote:

Thanks folks.
Disabling UEFI mode did the trick,
though I do not understand why it was necessary.
I thought that recent Fedora DVDs worked with both legacy and UEFI.
The Fedora-WS-Live-39-1.5 DVD does have an EFI directory.

I didn't get a grub menu until disabling UEFI.


The DVD does work with both, so it's most likely an issue with the 
firmware on the system.  Have you checked for firmware updates?  Does 
it have an option to select an EFI file to boot from?


I thought file selection was part of grub.
Didn't get to grub until I disabled UEFI.


Some firmware implementations will let you pick an EFI file from the 
boot menu or from the boot configuration in the BIOS.

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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Michael Hennebry]

On Mon, 25 Mar 2024, Samuel Sieb wrote:


On 3/25/24 08:21, Michael Hennebry wrote:

Thanks folks.
Disabling UEFI mode did the trick,
though I do not understand why it was necessary.
I thought that recent Fedora DVDs worked with both legacy and UEFI.
The Fedora-WS-Live-39-1.5 DVD does have an EFI directory.

I didn't get a grub menu until disabling UEFI.


The DVD does work with both, so it's most likely an issue with the firmware 
on the system.  Have you checked for firmware updates?  Does it have an 
option to select an EFI file to boot from?


I thought file selection was part of grub.
Didn't get to grub until I disabled UEFI.

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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Samuel Sieb]

On 3/25/24 08:21, Michael Hennebry wrote:

Thanks folks.
Disabling UEFI mode did the trick,
though I do not understand why it was necessary.
I thought that recent Fedora DVDs worked with both legacy and UEFI.
The Fedora-WS-Live-39-1.5 DVD does have an EFI directory.

I didn't get a grub menu until disabling UEFI.


The DVD does work with both, so it's most likely an issue with the 
firmware on the system.  Have you checked for firmware updates?  Does it 
have an option to select an EFI file to boot from?

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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Thomas Cameron]

On 3/25/24 11:38, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Mon, 2024-03-25 at 11:07 -0500, Thomas Cameron wrote:

dmesg > /dev/nvme1n1


What's that about?

poc


To further clarify, my system uses NVMe drives (/dev/nvme0n1 and 
/dev/nvme1n1). So when I do dmesg > /dev/nvme1n1 as root, it overwrites 
the first few hundred k of the NVMe disk, nuking the partition tables 
and boot instructions and the like. Then when I reboot, it causes my 
machine to PXE boot. You can nuke any drive by writing to the first few 
sectors, so it could have been /dev/sda, /dev/vda, /dev/xvda, or whatever.


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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Thomas Cameron]

On 3/25/24 11:38, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Mon, 2024-03-25 at 11:07 -0500, Thomas Cameron wrote:

dmesg > /dev/nvme1n1


What's that about?


If you overwrite the first few sectors of the drive (i.e. with the 
output of the dmesg command), it nukes the boot instructions. It causes 
my machine to PXE boot and I kickstart it.


Sorry, I should have been more clear about that. It could be anything. I 
used to use dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/nvme1n1 bs=1M count=1 but dmesg is 
quicker to type.


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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Michael Hennebry]

On Mon, 25 Mar 2024, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:


On Mon, 2024-03-25 at 11:07 -0500, Thomas Cameron wrote:

dmesg > /dev/nvme1n1


What's that about?


My guess is that nvm stands for non-volatile memory.

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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2024-03-25 at 11:07 -0500, Thomas Cameron wrote:
> dmesg > /dev/nvme1n1

What's that about?

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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Michael Hennebry]

On Mon, 25 Mar 2024, Thomas Cameron wrote:

Fedora can install on either legacy BIOS mode or modern UEFI. But when it 
installs on UEFI systems, it creates a special partition mounted on
/boot/efi. If you boot a system which was installed in BIOS mode in UEFI 
mode, it doesn't see that partition and won't boot.


To be clear: I wasn't trying to boot the hard drive or install to it.
I was just trying to boot the DVD.
Eventually I succeeded by disabling UEFI.
The need surprised me.
To boot from the hard drive, I had to re-enable UEFI.

If you want to run Fedora in UEFI mode, I am relatively certain you have to 
reinstall (but I could absolutely be wrong). When I got a machine which 
supported UEFI, I initially turned off UEFI and Secure Boot because I'd heard 
horror stories about them with Linux. When I changed it to UEFI, I couldn't 
access my Linux installation. But since I had a backup of my home directory 
on another machine, I just nuked it and reinstalled, then restored my home 
directory.


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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Thomas Cameron]

On 3/25/24 11:01, Joe Zeff wrote:


If you have /home on its own partition, you don't even need to have it 
mounted on your file server.  Just do a custom partitioning (I presume 
that you can do that with a kickstart) mounting that partition as /home 
and not reformatting and Bob's your uncle.  I know, as I've been doing 
that for over two decades.


I did that for a long time (been using Linux since '94), but now I have 
10 gigabit ethernet between my desktop and my NFS server. It's fast as 
heck for /home.


When I realize I need to nuke my machine and start over, it's:

sudo -i
dmesg > /dev/nvme1n1
systemctl reboot
Choose the right kickstart from the menu.
Refill coffee.
Go back to working as if nothing happened. My home directory is there 
and my machine is reset to sane defaults.


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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Joe Zeff]

On 03/25/2024 09:33 AM, Thomas Cameron wrote:


I've actually set up my Linux machines so that they mount /home on an 
NFS file server in my home office. I can nuke my desktop and reinstall 
it in less than 10 minutes with a kickstart, and my home directory is 
unchanged. Makes it a lot easier when I do the inevitable "oops" and 
screw up my desktop.


If you have /home on its own partition, you don't even need to have it 
mounted on your file server.  Just do a custom partitioning (I presume 
that you can do that with a kickstart) mounting that partition as /home 
and not reformatting and Bob's your uncle.  I know, as I've been doing 
that for over two decades.

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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Thomas Cameron]

On 3/25/24 10:21, Michael Hennebry wrote:

Thanks folks.
Disabling UEFI mode did the trick,
though I do not understand why it was necessary.
I thought that recent Fedora DVDs worked with both legacy and UEFI.
The Fedora-WS-Live-39-1.5 DVD does have an EFI directory.

I didn't get a grub menu until disabling UEFI.


Fedora can install on either legacy BIOS mode or modern UEFI. But when 
it installs on UEFI systems, it creates a special partition mounted on
/boot/efi. If you boot a system which was installed in BIOS mode in UEFI 
mode, it doesn't see that partition and won't boot.


If you want to run Fedora in UEFI mode, I am relatively certain you have 
to reinstall (but I could absolutely be wrong). When I got a machine 
which supported UEFI, I initially turned off UEFI and Secure Boot 
because I'd heard horror stories about them with Linux. When I changed 
it to UEFI, I couldn't access my Linux installation. But since I had a 
backup of my home directory on another machine, I just nuked it and 
reinstalled, then restored my home directory.


I've actually set up my Linux machines so that they mount /home on an 
NFS file server in my home office. I can nuke my desktop and reinstall 
it in less than 10 minutes with a kickstart, and my home directory is 
unchanged. Makes it a lot easier when I do the inevitable "oops" and 
screw up my desktop.


As an aside: Using KVM virtualization has eliminated a lot of those 
"oops" moments. If I want to test software or something, I spin up a VM 
and test it there before I do it on my actual "production" workstation.


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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Michael Hennebry]

Thanks folks.
Disabling UEFI mode did the trick,
though I do not understand why it was necessary.
I thought that recent Fedora DVDs worked with both legacy and UEFI.
The Fedora-WS-Live-39-1.5 DVD does have an EFI directory.

I didn't get a grub menu until disabling UEFI.

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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Thomas Cameron]

On 3/24/24 18:43, Michael Hennebry wrote:

I've been trying to get an HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt to boot from dvd.
So far no luck.
I've managed to get DVD listed as the
first boot entry for both UEFI and legacy.
The machine seems to try and fail.
The error messages go by rather fast.
I think I've seem things like "invalid header" and "no such file",
but am not as sure as I'd like to be.
Most recently I tried and failed with
Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-39.1.5.iso

Any idea what I should try next?

My late girlfriend used it.
I remember her password,
which is why she is not on the sudo list.
I do not remember either the root password or my own.


Condolences on the loss of your girlfriend. I'm sorry.

If the system was set up for legacy BIOS mode, changing it to UEFI mode 
will typically mean that the UEFI can't "see" the necessary disk 
partitions you need to boot. I would set it back to however it was when 
you started trying this so it boot off your existing partitions.


You can also create bootable media using a USB thumb drive if you follow 
the instructions at 
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/creating-and-using-a-live-installation-image/. 
There's a section on how to do it from Windows or MacOS, too.


To recover the root password, you can do this: 
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/reset-root-password/


Then you can log in with root privileges and recover whatever is on the 
disk.


If you need additional help, post here and we'll help.

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Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Samuel Sieb]

On 3/24/24 16:43, Michael Hennebry wrote:

I've been trying to get an HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt to boot from dvd.
So far no luck.
I've managed to get DVD listed as the
first boot entry for both UEFI and legacy.
The machine seems to try and fail.
The error messages go by rather fast.
I think I've seem things like "invalid header" and "no such file",
but am not as sure as I'd like to be.
Most recently I tried and failed with
Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-39.1.5.iso


You've tried booting it in both legacy and UEFI modes?
Do you get the grub menu or does it fail before that?
From the EFI boot menu, can you pick the BOOT or GRUB efi files from 
the DVD?

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HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd

[Michael Hennebry]

I've been trying to get an HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt to boot from dvd.
So far no luck.
I've managed to get DVD listed as the
first boot entry for both UEFI and legacy.
The machine seems to try and fail.
The error messages go by rather fast.
I think I've seem things like "invalid header" and "no such file",
but am not as sure as I'd like to be.
Most recently I tried and failed with
Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-39.1.5.iso

Any idea what I should try next?

My late girlfriend used it.
I remember her password,
which is why she is not on the sudo list.
I do not remember either the root password or my own.

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Re: Attempting mount of Bootable CD/DVD gives "Can't open blockdev" message

[stan via users]

On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 20:19:15 + (UTC)
George R Goffe via users  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm not sure what to do about this problem.
> 
> Is it a broken device? I'm seeing "no media found" messages too.
> 
> blockdev /dev/sr0 says:
> 
> fc37-bash 5.1 ~# blockdev /dev/cdrom
> blockdev: cannot open /dev/cdrom: No medium found
> fc37-bash 5.1 ~# blockdev --report /dev/cdrom
> RO    RA   SSZ   BSZ    StartSec    Size   Device
> rw   256   512   512   0  1073741312   /dev/cdrom
> 
> mount says:
> 
> fc37-bash 5.1 ~# mount /dev/cdrom /mnt
> mount: /mnt: no medium found on /dev/sr0.
>    dmesg(1) may have more information after failed mount system
> call.
[snip]
> eject /dev/sr0 DOES work though.
> 
> Again, is the device broken? What else should I try?

Yes, I would say the device is broken.  The eject works because all it
does is push the tray out without checking if there is media present or
not, probably.  The symptom says to me that the sensor that determines
whether there is any media present is not working correctly.  Perhaps
it is dusty, but it might have failed.

First, are the connectors at the back properly in place?  Second, I
would blow the interior out gently, with the tray in the out position.
Third, I would try cleaning the lenses using a q-tip (a stick with
cotton on one end) and rubbing alcohol.

If all else fails, you could try charity shops / second hand stores.
Since optical media have been deprecated in favor of USB sticks, many
people are donating their old optical drives.  You might even know
someone who has one they no longer use, and willing to give it to you.
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Attempting mount of Bootable CD/DVD gives "Can't open blockdev" message

[George R Goffe via users]

Hi,

I'm not sure what to do about this problem.

Is it a broken device? I'm seeing "no media found" messages too.

blockdev /dev/sr0 says:

fc37-bash 5.1 ~# blockdev /dev/cdrom
blockdev: cannot open /dev/cdrom: No medium found
fc37-bash 5.1 ~# blockdev --report /dev/cdrom
RO    RA   SSZ   BSZ    StartSec    Size   Device
rw   256   512   512   0  1073741312   /dev/cdrom

mount says:

fc37-bash 5.1 ~# mount /dev/cdrom /mnt
mount: /mnt: no medium found on /dev/sr0.
   dmesg(1) may have more information after failed mount system call.

dmesg | tail -3 says:

[ 2159.692983] /dev/sr0: Can't open blockdev
[ 2908.948008] /dev/sr0: Can't open blockdev
[ 3597.306199] /dev/sr0: Can't open blockdev

I have tried inserting an old (1996) bootable cd media AND a quite recent 
"live" DVD media from Fedora Core 36/7 with the same messages. Booting from the 
DVD using an external CD/DVD player (NOT the broken(?) one) does work. I have 
not tried the old cd at all recently (1996). Any attempt to use the internal(?) 
CD/DVD fails.

eject /dev/sr0 DOES work though.

Again, is the device broken? What else should I try?

Best regards and STAY SAFE.

George...


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Re: mp4 to dvd

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On Fri, 2021-12-31 at 21:07 +0100, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> I haven't actually tried to copy such a VOB file to a DVD. So at
> worst, you ruin a disk ... ;)

As a test, you can create an ISO image file of a DVD, and see if VLC
(or another media player) will play it as a DVD.
 
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Re: mp4 to dvd

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On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 02:17:57PM -0600, Michael Hennebry wrote:

Any suggestions for converting mp4 files to VOB?
Even an example with mencoder might be useful.
Long long ago, I used mencoder for making DVD video files.
Lost track of the script I used.
I tried it again recently,
but getting all the options right was making my head swim.

At least one of the files I want to convert is 480x360@24 .



If "480x360@24" means native resolution or frame size at 24fps then
I'd try:

ffmpeg -i source.mp4 -target film-dvd -s 480x360 output.vob

Make sure to write the "-s" option after the "-target ..." one,
because the "target film-dvd" is some sort of wrapper that already
includes some "-s" switch, namely 720x480. So you might need to
override it. See man ffmpeg{-all} for the "-target" option.

I haven't actually tried to copy such a VOB file to a DVD. So at
worst, you ruin a disk ... ;)

And thanks for the question: I got curious myself for an answer.
ffmpeg might be a bit difficult to handle at times, but it's great
anyways ...

Good luck!
Wolfgang
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Re: mp4 to dvd

[Cameron Simpson]

On 26Dec2021 16:22, michael hennebry  wrote:
>On Sun, 26 Dec 2021, Joe Zeff wrote:
>>On 12/26/21 12:53 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:
>>>dvdstyler might be a good thing to have even if it does not do conversions,
>>>but right now, I'm looking for a conversion tool.
>
>On sourceforge, I was told that dvdstyler does convert mp4.

If that turns out not to work, ffmpeg will convert many formats. You 
could probably script something to take what you've got, prepare it as a 
format dvdstyler can use, then use dvdstyler.

Remembering that MP4 and MKV etc are container formats, which can hold 
video and audio in a variety of encodings. So saying "it supports mp4" 
is a vague statement, alas.

Disclaimer: I've never used dvdstyler. But I convert video a fair bit in 
simple ways using ffmpeg.

Cheers,
Cameron Simpson 
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Re: mp4 to dvd

[Samuel Sieb]

On 12/26/21 10:06, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 12/26/21 12:53 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:
dvdstyler might be a good thing to have even if it does not do 
conversions,

but right now, I'm looking for a conversion tool.


Have you tried Audacity?


That's only for audio, not video.
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Re: mp4 to dvd

[Samuel Sieb]

On 12/24/21 12:17, Michael Hennebry wrote:

Any suggestions for converting mp4 files to VOB?
Even an example with mencoder might be useful.
Long long ago, I used mencoder for making DVD video files.
Lost track of the script I used.
I tried it again recently,
but getting all the options right was making my head swim.

At least one of the files I want to convert is 480x360@24 .


If your end result is to be a DVD, then dvdstyler would be the way to 
go.  If you just want a vob file for some reason, then ffmpeg can do that.

https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1161044
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Re: mp4 to dvd

[Michael Hennebry]

On Sun, 26 Dec 2021, Joe Zeff wrote:


On 12/26/21 12:53 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:

dvdstyler might be a good thing to have even if it does not do conversions,
but right now, I'm looking for a conversion tool.


On sourceforge, I was told that dvdstyler does convert mp4.


Have you tried Audacity?


Not yet.

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Re: mp4 to dvd

[Joe Zeff]

On 12/26/21 12:53 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:

dvdstyler might be a good thing to have even if it does not do conversions,
but right now, I'm looking for a conversion tool.


Have you tried Audacity?
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Re: mp4 to dvd

[Michael Hennebry]

On Sat, 25 Dec 2021, Ed Greshko wrote:


On 25/12/2021 05:44, Michael Hennebry wrote:

On Fri, 24 Dec 2021, Michael Schwendt wrote:


On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 14:17:57 -0600 (CST), Michael Hennebry wrote:


Any suggestions for converting mp4 files to VOB?



At least one of the files I want to convert is 480x360@24 .


Have you used package "dvdstyler" from RPMFusion Free before?


I have not.
Does "supporting' a format mean the dvdstyler will
automatically convert from that format to VOB?



You may want to consult https://www.dvdstyler.org/en/


I did.  That is where I got the term "support".
Under features:
support of AVI, MOV, MP4, MPEG, OGG, WMV and other file formats
support of MPEG-2, MPEG-4, DivX, Xvid, MP2, MP3, AC-3 and other audio and video 
formats
...
put files with different audio/video format on one DVD (support of titleset)

dvdstyler might be a good thing to have even if it does not do conversions,
but right now, I'm looking for a conversion tool.
If dvdstyler can do the job, excellent,
but I'd like to know before installing.


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Re: mp4 to dvd

[Ed Greshko]

On 25/12/2021 05:44, Michael Hennebry wrote:

On Fri, 24 Dec 2021, Michael Schwendt wrote:


On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 14:17:57 -0600 (CST), Michael Hennebry wrote:


Any suggestions for converting mp4 files to VOB?



At least one of the files I want to convert is 480x360@24 .


Have you used package "dvdstyler" from RPMFusion Free before?


I have not.
Does "supporting' a format mean the dvdstyler will
automatically convert from that format to VOB?



You may want to consult https://www.dvdstyler.org/en/

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Re: mp4 to dvd

[Michael Hennebry]

On Fri, 24 Dec 2021, Michael Schwendt wrote:


On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 14:17:57 -0600 (CST), Michael Hennebry wrote:


Any suggestions for converting mp4 files to VOB?



At least one of the files I want to convert is 480x360@24 .


Have you used package "dvdstyler" from RPMFusion Free before?


I have not.
Does "supporting' a format mean the dvdstyler will
automatically convert from that format to VOB?

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Re: mp4 to dvd

[Michael Schwendt]

On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 14:17:57 -0600 (CST), Michael Hennebry wrote:

> Any suggestions for converting mp4 files to VOB?
> Even an example with mencoder might be useful.
> Long long ago, I used mencoder for making DVD video files.
> Lost track of the script I used.
> I tried it again recently,
> but getting all the options right was making my head swim.
> 
> At least one of the files I want to convert is 480x360@24 .

Have you used package "dvdstyler" from RPMFusion Free before?
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mp4 to dvd

[Michael Hennebry]

Any suggestions for converting mp4 files to VOB?
Even an example with mencoder might be useful.
Long long ago, I used mencoder for making DVD video files.
Lost track of the script I used.
I tried it again recently,
but getting all the options right was making my head swim.

At least one of the files I want to convert is 480x360@24 .

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Re: partially invisible back-up DVD.

[Barry Scott]

> On 28 Oct 2021, at 05:36, Ed Greshko  wrote:
> 
> On 28/10/2021 12:14, Tim via users wrote:
>> On Thu, 2021-10-28 at 06:54 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>> Still a USB thumb drive is much better
>>> and more reliable than optical storage.
>> I'm more confident the other way around.
>>  
> 
> Maybe I'm one of the few lucky ones?  I have 2 thumb drives of 128GB from 
> SanDisk I've used for 2~3 years
> with no issues.  An 8GB one from Transcend that I've had for about 5 years.  
> And a non-name one that I don't recall
> how old it is but has no issues.

The key information you need for flash memory devices is the ENDURANCE which is 
the amount of
data that can be written to the device before it fails. It is typically quoted 
in TBW - Terabytes Written.

There is a standard for measuring the figure for various work loads.

I think it is JESD218 which there is an overview  of at

https://www.jedec.org/standards-documents/focus/flash/solid-state-drives 


but the specs are behind a paywall now. (Used to be free to download).

The standard is interesting, but not required reading you will pleased to know.

There are two workloads that are often quoted in spec sheets.
The client workload - meaning a typical office worker workload.
The server workload - meaning a server workload.

There is also a random workload, but its is rare to see that quoted as the life 
times are very short.

Personal I will not buy an SSD or memory stick that does not publish its 
JESD218 client workload figures.

As examples I've quickly found specs for samsung and SanDisk.

On 
https://www.samsung.com/uk/memory-storage/nvme-ssd/970-evo-plus-nvme-m-2-ssd-1tb-mz-v7s1t0bw/
 

find endurance on the page. It tells you that the drive 1200TBW.

Then figures for SanDisk SSD's are here 
https://kb.sandisk.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/23603/~/ssd-endurance 

and you can compare these figures, the best is 600TBW.

FYI the last SSD I got was a Intel part and its had 1000TBW+ Endurance.

> 
> I've replaced the optical drive in my Tower 3 times since 2008 and have media 
> written on previous drives be
> unreadable on the replacement drive.  The optical drive in my Asus laptop 
> died a few years ago and I decided
> not to replace it.
> 
> I also have multiple SSD from Crucial that have power on hours of at least 4 
> years with 0 NAND blocks
> being reallocated.

power-on-hours and reallocations are interesing, but its the endurance you need 
to predict life time.
Assuming you can calculate a figure the amount of data that you write your 
device.

> 
> But, when it comes to backups, I have much more confidence in my RAID enabled 
> NAS and rsync.  :-)

I back to a file server from all my hosts, then copy off the backups and put 
that copy off site.

All use Fedora of course.

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Re: partially invisible back-up DVD.

[Ed Greshko]

On 28/10/2021 12:14, Tim via users wrote:

On Thu, 2021-10-28 at 06:54 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:

Still a USB thumb drive is much better
and more reliable than optical storage.

I'm more confident the other way around.
  


Maybe I'm one of the few lucky ones?  I have 2 thumb drives of 128GB from 
SanDisk I've used for 2~3 years
with no issues.  An 8GB one from Transcend that I've had for about 5 years.  
And a non-name one that I don't recall
how old it is but has no issues.

I've replaced the optical drive in my Tower 3 times since 2008 and have media 
written on previous drives be
unreadable on the replacement drive.  The optical drive in my Asus laptop died 
a few years ago and I decided
not to replace it.

I also have multiple SSD from Crucial that have power on hours of at least 4 
years with 0 NAND blocks
being reallocated.

But, when it comes to backups, I have much more confidence in my RAID enabled 
NAS and rsync.  :-)

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Re: partially invisible back-up DVD.

[Tim via users]

On Thu, 2021-10-28 at 06:54 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> Still a USB thumb drive is much better
> and more reliable than optical storage.

I'm more confident the other way around.
 
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Re: partially invisible back-up DVD.

[Ed Greshko]

On 28/10/2021 00:09, home user wrote:


If the problem were the drive (or dust), then wouldn't the April disc have the 
same problems, and wouldn't the October disc not work in Disks?


Not necessarily.  Remember there are multiple lasers in the drive. If the one 
responsible for writing is
getting weak or was impacted by dust at the time it may cause a poorly written 
disc.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, the disc you're using is write once media.  So, you 
could have a media issue.



The drive is 8 years old.  It's not heavily used; maybe 3 or 4 times per year 
in the past 6+ years.


As I mentioned, I don't use my optical drives much.  But I've found several 
dead when I've gone
to use them.  So, usage may not always be an indicator of health.




I stopped using DVD's and CD's a long time ago.  I only use it if I have to 
boot a live DVD since my motherboard doesn't
support booting from USB.  USB drives are quite inexpensive and more reliable 
than discs with the added advantage of
having higher capacity.  Why not switch?


Someday, but not yet.


FWIW, I don't even use those.  I do daily user backups to a NAS using rsync.  
Still a USB thumb drive is much better
and more reliable than optical storage.

Anyway, my experience/knowledge of optical storage is limited.  So, I've got no 
more suggestions.  :-(

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Re: partially invisible back-up DVD.

[home user]

On 10/26/21 10:08 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 26/10/2021 22:44, home user wrote:

(fedora-34; gnome)

The evening before doing a Fedora upgrade, I do a user data back-up.  
I do it as a data project in K3b to burn a DVD/Blu-ray (BD-R).  I 
always "test" the back-up immediately after it's done.


On April 07, 2021, I did such a back-up.  I upgraded from f-32 to f-33 
the next day.  Today, when I put the disc into the drive, it 
automatically mounts and asks if I wish to view contents in Caja. In 
Caja, I successfully viewed an image stored on the disc, launched in 
Firefox an html file stored on the disc, and opened in LibreOffice a 
LibreOffice file stored on the disc.  The disc was successfully 
unmounted and ejected when I asked Caja to do so. Also today, if I 
launch Files and then put the disc into the drive, it automatically 
mounts the disc. In Files, I successfully viewed an image stored on 
the disc, launched in Firefox an html file stored on the disc, and 
opened in LibreOffice a LibreOffice file stored on the disc.  The disc 
was successfully unmounted and ejected when I asked Files to do so.


On October 13, I did a user data back-up.  Immediately after, I 
"tested" the back-up.
 1. When I put the disc into the drive, nothing showed up on the 
screen.  But I then launched Disks, the disc was there and mounted; it 
unmounted and ejected the disc when I told it to.
 2. When I launched Files and then put the disc into the drive, the "+ 
Other Locations" flickered once, and that's all.  But when I then 
launched Disks, the disc was there and mounted; it unmounted and 
ejected the disc when I told it to.
 3. When I launched Caja and then put the disc into the drive, a 
message popped up

"Unable to mount .F33_20211013
An operation is already pending".
But when I then launched Disks, the disc was there and mounted; it 
unmounted and ejected the disc when I told it to.
 4. When I launched Disks and then put the disc into the drive, the 
icon for the drive showed a disc.  When I clicked that disc icon, it 
showed it mounted.  When I clicked the mount path that showed below 
the graphic part of Disks, it launched Caja.  I then successfully 
completed the "test" just as I did with the April 07 back-up disc, 
except that I had to use Disks to unmount and eject the disk.  Also, I 
was able to restore a files from the back-up disc when using the Caja 
instance launched by Disks.

I went ahead and upgraded from f-33 to f-34 the next day.

Today, when I repeat steps 1-4 above using the October 13 back-up, I 
get the same results.


Both back-up discs are Verbatum MDISC BD-R Blu-ray Disc, 25GB, 4x 
speed.  Both were written with the same drive.


What went wrong, and how do I fix it?



Sounds like you have an "intermittent" issue with your DVD drive. Dust?  
How old is the drive?  I've had drives just

slowly die and other just dead after not being used for some time.


If the problem were the drive (or dust), then wouldn't the April disc 
have the same problems, and wouldn't the October disc not work in Disks?


The drive is 8 years old.  It's not heavily used; maybe 3 or 4 times per 
year in the past 6+ years.


I stopped using DVD's and CD's a long time ago.  I only use it if I have 
to boot a live DVD since my motherboard doesn't
support booting from USB.  USB drives are quite inexpensive and more 
reliable than discs with the added advantage of

having higher capacity.  Why not switch?


Someday, but not yet.

thanks,
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Re: partially invisible back-up DVD.

[Ed Greshko]

On 26/10/2021 22:44, home user wrote:

(fedora-34; gnome)

The evening before doing a Fedora upgrade, I do a user data back-up.  I do it as a data 
project in K3b to burn a DVD/Blu-ray (BD-R).  I always "test" the back-up 
immediately after it's done.

On April 07, 2021, I did such a back-up.  I upgraded from f-32 to f-33 the next 
day.  Today, when I put the disc into the drive, it automatically mounts and 
asks if I wish to view contents in Caja. In Caja, I successfully viewed an 
image stored on the disc, launched in Firefox an html file stored on the disc, 
and opened in LibreOffice a LibreOffice file stored on the disc.  The disc was 
successfully unmounted and ejected when I asked Caja to do so. Also today, if I 
launch Files and then put the disc into the drive, it automatically mounts the 
disc. In Files, I successfully viewed an image stored on the disc, launched in 
Firefox an html file stored on the disc, and opened in LibreOffice a 
LibreOffice file stored on the disc.  The disc was successfully unmounted and 
ejected when I asked Files to do so.

On October 13, I did a user data back-up.  Immediately after, I "tested" the 
back-up.
 1. When I put the disc into the drive, nothing showed up on the screen.  But I 
then launched Disks, the disc was there and mounted; it unmounted and ejected 
the disc when I told it to.
 2. When I launched Files and then put the disc into the drive, the "+ Other 
Locations" flickered once, and that's all.  But when I then launched Disks, the disc 
was there and mounted; it unmounted and ejected the disc when I told it to.
 3. When I launched Caja and then put the disc into the drive, a message popped 
up
"Unable to mount .F33_20211013
An operation is already pending".
But when I then launched Disks, the disc was there and mounted; it unmounted 
and ejected the disc when I told it to.
 4. When I launched Disks and then put the disc into the drive, the icon for the drive 
showed a disc.  When I clicked that disc icon, it showed it mounted.  When I clicked the 
mount path that showed below the graphic part of Disks, it launched Caja.  I then 
successfully completed the "test" just as I did with the April 07 back-up disc, 
except that I had to use Disks to unmount and eject the disk.  Also, I was able to 
restore a files from the back-up disc when using the Caja instance launched by Disks.
I went ahead and upgraded from f-33 to f-34 the next day.

Today, when I repeat steps 1-4 above using the October 13 back-up, I get the 
same results.

Both back-up discs are Verbatum MDISC BD-R Blu-ray Disc, 25GB, 4x speed.  Both 
were written with the same drive.

What went wrong, and how do I fix it?



Sounds like you have an "intermittent" issue with your DVD drive. Dust?  How 
old is the drive?  I've had drives just
slowly die and other just dead after not being used for some time.

I stopped using DVD's and CD's a long time ago.  I only use it if I have to 
boot a live DVD since my motherboard doesn't
support booting from USB.  USB drives are quite inexpensive and more reliable 
than discs with the added advantage of
having higher capacity.  Why not switch?


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partially invisible back-up DVD.

[home user]

(fedora-34; gnome)

The evening before doing a Fedora upgrade, I do a user data back-up.  I 
do it as a data project in K3b to burn a DVD/Blu-ray (BD-R).  I always 
"test" the back-up immediately after it's done.


On April 07, 2021, I did such a back-up.  I upgraded from f-32 to f-33 
the next day.  Today, when I put the disc into the drive, it 
automatically mounts and asks if I wish to view contents in Caja.  In 
Caja, I successfully viewed an image stored on the disc, launched in 
Firefox an html file stored on the disc, and opened in LibreOffice a 
LibreOffice file stored on the disc.  The disc was successfully 
unmounted and ejected when I asked Caja to do so.  Also today, if I 
launch Files and then put the disc into the drive, it automatically 
mounts the disc. In Files, I successfully viewed an image stored on the 
disc, launched in Firefox an html file stored on the disc, and opened in 
LibreOffice a LibreOffice file stored on the disc.  The disc was 
successfully unmounted and ejected when I asked Files to do so.


On October 13, I did a user data back-up.  Immediately after, I "tested" 
the back-up.
 1. When I put the disc into the drive, nothing showed up on the 
screen.  But I then launched Disks, the disc was there and mounted; it 
unmounted and ejected the disc when I told it to.
 2. When I launched Files and then put the disc into the drive, the "+ 
Other Locations" flickered once, and that's all.  But when I then 
launched Disks, the disc was there and mounted; it unmounted and ejected 
the disc when I told it to.
 3. When I launched Caja and then put the disc into the drive, a 
message popped up

"Unable to mount .F33_20211013
An operation is already pending".
But when I then launched Disks, the disc was there and mounted; it 
unmounted and ejected the disc when I told it to.
 4. When I launched Disks and then put the disc into the drive, the 
icon for the drive showed a disc.  When I clicked that disc icon, it 
showed it mounted.  When I clicked the mount path that showed below the 
graphic part of Disks, it launched Caja.  I then successfully completed 
the "test" just as I did with the April 07 back-up disc, except that I 
had to use Disks to unmount and eject the disk.  Also, I was able to 
restore a files from the back-up disc when using the Caja instance 
launched by Disks.

I went ahead and upgraded from f-33 to f-34 the next day.

Today, when I repeat steps 1-4 above using the October 13 back-up, I get 
the same results.


Both back-up discs are Verbatum MDISC BD-R Blu-ray Disc, 25GB, 4x 
speed.  Both were written with the same drive.


What went wrong, and how do I fix it?

Thank-you in advance.
Bill.
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Re: Can't burn a CentOS 7.9 DVD

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On 3/13/21 1:19 PM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users wrote:

On Sat, 2021-03-13 at 02:26 +, Anthony F McInerney wrote:


On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 at 22:49, Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users 
<mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org>> wrote:

On Fri, 2021-03-12 at 16:22 -0500, Terry Polzin wrote:

Did you check the checksums?  Bad download?

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 4:15 PM Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users 
<mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org>> wrote:
Is the CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2009.iso really too big to burn on a 
DVD-R? Brasero under Centos 7.9 and Fedora 33 both say a 4.7GB 
blank disk isn't big enough.


--Doc Savage
    Fairview Heights, IL


Terry,

The checksums are perfect. What I am probably looking for is anyone 
who CAN burn that iso to a blank DVD-R or DVD+R. If Brasero won't do 
it, is it because the iso image is just every-so-slightly too large?


In this particular situation, dd-ing the image to an 8GB thumb drive 
is not a player because the target machine is a 2011 vintage Dell 
PowerEdge that does not support booting from thumb drives.


--Doc Savage
    Fairview Heights, IL





According to wikipedia DVD-R gets you the closest: 4,707,319,808   (MAX)

CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2009.iso  bytes: 4,712,300,544

It's only slightly over, it's possible that at least k3b and maybe 
xfburn supports 'overburn' . (I remember this more from the CD days 
than DVD though).


Otherwise I wonder if you could use 'ISO Master' and downsize it 
slightly.


Anthony,

THANK YOU. Yours is precisely the answer I was looking for. That iso 
file should never have been released as part of the general distribution.


I wonder how I could ask for that iso to be rebuilt to a size that 
fits on a blank DVD.


--Doc Savage
    Fairview Heights, IL

There is a program called "PlopBootmgr" that can be installed on a CD 
that will allow systems to boot from a usb drive that don't have that as 
a boot option.



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Re: Can't burn a CentOS 7.9 DVD

[Ed Greshko]

On 13/03/2021 05:14, Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users wrote:

Is the CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2009.iso really too big to burn on a DVD-R? Brasero 
under Centos 7.9 and Fedora 33 both say a 4.7GB blank disk isn't big enough.


You could always grab an earlier iso such as from

https://vault.centos.org/7.7.1908/isos/x86_64/

Burn/Install that, and then update.

Or use the NetInstall DVD.

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Re: Can't burn a CentOS 7.9 DVD

[Paul Allen Newell]

On 3/13/21 4:52 PM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users wrote:

On Fri, 2021-03-12 at 15:28 -0800, Paul Allen Newell wrote:



On 3/12/21 2:55 PM, George N. White III wrote:


I had same problem with 7.9.2009. I used a DVD-R DL with k3b and it 
worked.



Paul,

If by DVD-R DL you mean "dual layer", that's an 8.5GB media. I just 
tried using k3B with a Verbatim DVD-R 4.7GB blank disk. In the Burn 
Medium block it says "Capacity of the medium in ThinkPad Ultraslim DVD 
(/dev/sr0) is smaller than required".


--Doc Savage
    Fairview Heights, IL


Doc:

Not certain what to say. I go to one of the mirrors and pretend to 
download Centos-7-x86_64-DVD-2009.iso and the size is listed as 
4712300544 bytes or @4.7 gigs. Its that "little bit over" the 4.7 stated 
capacity of the Verbatim DVD-R that requires the DVDV-R DL.


I also checked my DVDs and see that the last install I did was from 
Centos 7.8.2003 and not 7.9.2009, apologies for not checking before.


I saved the ISO download on a archive hard drive and here are the sizes 
of the Download:

[paul@birdinhand ISO_Centos7dot8]$ lf
CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2003.iso  sha256sum_expected.txt
HOW_TO_SHA256SUM.txt  sha256sum_gotten.txt
[paul@birdinhand ISO_Centos7dot8]$ lall CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2003.iso
-rw-rw-r--. 1 paul paul 4781506560 Oct 29 14:39 CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2003.iso
[paul@birdinhand ISO_Centos7dot8]$ du -sH -BM CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2003.iso
4561M    CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2003.iso
[paul@birdinhand ISO_Centos7dot8]$ du -sH -BG CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2003.iso
5G    CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2003.iso
[paul@birdinhand ISO_Centos7dot8]$

Your email says you "I just tried using k3B with a Verbatim DVD-R 4.7GB 
blank disk". I think you will have to get a DVD-R DL


Best,
Paul




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Re: Can't burn a CentOS 7.9 DVD

[Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users]

On Sat, 2021-03-13 at 13:38 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 3/13/21 11:19 AM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users wrote:
> > THANK YOU. Yours is precisely the answer I was looking for. That
> > iso 
> > file should never have been released as part of the general
> > distribution.
> > 
> > I wonder how I could ask for that iso to be rebuilt to a size that
> > fits 
> > on a blank DVD.
> 
> My first thought is to report it as a bug.

This would be my first attempt at using the CentOS bug tracking system,
and I gotta say it is one of the most complicated I've ever seen.

Could anyone familiar with that system please file a bug on my behalf?
 Particulars:

"CentOS 7.9.2009 DVD iso image too large"

ISO image: CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2009.iso 4.7GB raw CD image
Wed Nov  4 05:37:25 2020
Burners: Both K3B and Brasero
Media: Both DVD-R and DVD+R single-layer disks

iso image: 4,712,300,544 bytes
User Anthony F McInerney advises Wikipedia says DVD-R capacity:
4,707,319,808 bytes (max)

Incidentally, I have tried burning this same iso image on two different
machines: a CentOS 7.9 server and a Fedora 33 laptop. Same failure on
both.

Thanks,

--Doc Savage
    Fairview Heights, IL
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Re: Can't burn a CentOS 7.9 DVD

[Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users]

On Fri, 2021-03-12 at 18:19 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 3:49 PM Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users
>  wrote:
> > 
> > The checksums are perfect. What I am probably looking for is anyone
> > who CAN burn that iso to a blank DVD-R or DVD+R. If Brasero won't
> > do it, is it because the iso image is just every-so-slightly too
> > large?
> 
> There's a bunch of bugs.
> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/brasero/-/issues
> 
> Pretty sure last time I burned a DVD-RW I used wodim from the command
> line.
> 
> > 
> > In this particular situation, dd-ing the image to an 8GB thumb
> > drive is not a player because the target machine is a 2011 vintage
> > Dell PowerEdge that does not support booting from thumb drives.
> 
> Hmm, I've got a vintage 2006 Dell laptop that boots from a USB stick.
> There might have been a BIOS setting to enable it.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Chris Murphy

Chris,

Totally different BIOS. This is for a PowerEdge server, and it's
running the latest v1.12 release from last summer. There's no option
for booting a thumb drive. A Google search confirmed that.

--Doc Savage
    Fairview Heights, IL
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Re: Can't burn a CentOS 7.9 DVD

[Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users]

On Fri, 2021-03-12 at 15:28 -0800, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> 
> 
> On 3/12/21 2:55 PM, George N. White III wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I had same problem with 7.9.2009. I used a DVD-R DL with k3b and it
> worked.


Paul,

If by DVD-R DL you mean "dual layer", that's an 8.5GB media. I just
tried using k3B with a Verbatim DVD-R 4.7GB blank disk. In the Burn
Medium block it says "Capacity of the medium in ThinkPad Ultraslim DVD
(/dev/sr0) is smaller than required".

--Doc Savage
    Fairview Heights, IL
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Re: Can't burn a CentOS 7.9 DVD

[Joe Zeff]

On 3/13/21 11:19 AM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users wrote:
THANK YOU. Yours is precisely the answer I was looking for. That iso 
file should never have been released as part of the general distribution.


I wonder how I could ask for that iso to be rebuilt to a size that fits 
on a blank DVD.


My first thought is to report it as a bug.
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Re: Can't burn a CentOS 7.9 DVD

[Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users]

On Sat, 2021-03-13 at 02:26 +, Anthony F McInerney wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 at 22:49, Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users
>  wrote:
> > On Fri, 2021-03-12 at 16:22 -0500, Terry Polzin wrote:
> > > Did you check the checksums?  Bad download?
> > > 
> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 4:15 PM Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users
> > >  wrote:
> > > > Is the CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2009.iso really too big to burn on a
> > > > DVD-R? Brasero under Centos 7.9 and Fedora 33 both say a 4.7GB
> > > > blank disk isn't big enough.
> > > > 
> > > > --Doc Savage
> > > >     Fairview Heights, IL
> > 
> > 
> > Terry,
> > 
> > The checksums are perfect. What I am probably looking for is anyone
> > who CAN burn that iso to a blank DVD-R or DVD+R. If Brasero won't
> > do it, is it because the iso image is just every-so-slightly too
> > large?
> > 
> > In this particular situation, dd-ing the image to an 8GB thumb
> > drive is not a player because the target machine is a 2011 vintage
> > Dell PowerEdge that does not support booting from thumb drives.
> > 
> > --Doc Savage
> >     Fairview Heights, IL
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> According to wikipedia DVD-R gets you the closest:  4,707,319,808 
>  (MAX)
> 
> CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2009.iso  bytes: 4,712,300,544
> 
> It's only slightly over, it's possible that at least k3b and maybe
> xfburn supports 'overburn' . (I remember this more from the CD days
> than DVD though).
> 
> Otherwise I wonder if you could use 'ISO Master' and downsize it
> slightly.

Anthony,

THANK YOU. Yours is precisely the answer I was looking for. That iso
file should never have been released as part of the general
distribution.

I wonder how I could ask for that iso to be rebuilt to a size that fits
on a blank DVD.

--Doc Savage
    Fairview Heights, IL


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Re: Can't burn a CentOS 7.9 DVD

[Anthony F McInerney]

On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 at 22:49, Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users <
users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> On Fri, 2021-03-12 at 16:22 -0500, Terry Polzin wrote:
>
> Did you check the checksums?  Bad download?
>
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 4:15 PM Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users <
> users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>
> Is the CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2009.iso really too big to burn on a DVD-R?
> Brasero under Centos 7.9 and Fedora 33 both say a 4.7GB blank disk isn't
> big enough.
>
> --Doc Savage
> Fairview Heights, IL
>
>
> Terry,
>
> The checksums are perfect. What I am probably looking for is anyone who
> CAN burn that iso to a blank DVD-R or DVD+R. If Brasero won't do it, is it
> because the iso image is just every-so-slightly too large?
>
> In this particular situation, dd-ing the image to an 8GB thumb drive is
> not a player because the target machine is a 2011 vintage Dell PowerEdge
> that does not support booting from thumb drives.
>
> --Doc Savage
> Fairview Heights, IL
>
>

According to wikipedia DVD-R gets you the closest:  4,707,319,808   (MAX)

CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2009.iso  bytes: 4,712,300,544

It's only slightly over, it's possible that at least k3b and maybe xfburn
supports 'overburn' . (I remember this more from the CD days than DVD
though).

Otherwise I wonder if you could use 'ISO Master' and downsize it slightly.
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Re: Can't burn a CentOS 7.9 DVD

[Chris Murphy]

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 3:49 PM Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users
 wrote:
>
> The checksums are perfect. What I am probably looking for is anyone who CAN 
> burn that iso to a blank DVD-R or DVD+R. If Brasero won't do it, is it 
> because the iso image is just every-so-slightly too large?

There's a bunch of bugs.
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/brasero/-/issues

Pretty sure last time I burned a DVD-RW I used wodim from the command line.

>
> In this particular situation, dd-ing the image to an 8GB thumb drive is not a 
> player because the target machine is a 2011 vintage Dell PowerEdge that does 
> not support booting from thumb drives.

Hmm, I've got a vintage 2006 Dell laptop that boots from a USB stick.
There might have been a BIOS setting to enable it.


-- 
Chris Murphy
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Re: Can't burn a CentOS 7.9 DVD

[Terry Polzin]

Place the image on an NFS server and install via NFS

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 6:28 PM Paul Allen Newell 
wrote:

>
>
> On 3/12/21 2:55 PM, George N. White III wrote:
>
> On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 at 18:49, Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users <
> users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2021-03-12 at 16:22 -0500, Terry Polzin wrote:
>>
>> Did you check the checksums?  Bad download?
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 4:15 PM Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users <
>> users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>>
>> Is the CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2009.iso really too big to burn on a DVD-R?
>> Brasero under Centos 7.9 and Fedora 33 both say a 4.7GB blank disk isn't
>> big enough.
>>
>> --Doc Savage
>> Fairview Heights, IL
>>
>>
>> Terry,
>>
>> The checksums are perfect. What I am probably looking for is anyone who
>> CAN burn that iso to a blank DVD-R or DVD+R. If Brasero won't do it, is it
>> because the iso image is just every-so-slightly too large?
>>
>> In this particular situation, dd-ing the image to an 8GB thumb drive is
>> not a player because the target machine is a 2011 vintage Dell PowerEdge
>> that does not support booting from thumb drives.
>>
>
> I've been there, but was never offered a T-shirt.  If my imperfect memory
> serves, the solution was Netboot.
>
> --
> George N. White III
>
>
>
> I had same problem with 7.9.2009. I used a DVD-R DL with k3b and it worked.
>
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Re: Can't burn a CentOS 7.9 DVD

[Paul Allen Newell]

On 3/12/21 2:55 PM, George N. White III wrote:
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 at 18:49, Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users 
mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org>> 
wrote:


On Fri, 2021-03-12 at 16:22 -0500, Terry Polzin wrote:

Did you check the checksums?  Bad download?

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 4:15 PM Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users
mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org>> wrote:

Is the CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2009.iso really too big to burn on a
DVD-R? Brasero under Centos 7.9 and Fedora 33 both say a 4.7GB
blank disk isn't big enough.

--Doc Savage
    Fairview Heights, IL


Terry,

The checksums are perfect. What I am probably looking for is
anyone who CAN burn that iso to a blank DVD-R or DVD+R. If Brasero
won't do it, is it because the iso image is just every-so-slightly
too large?

In this particular situation, dd-ing the image to an 8GB thumb
drive is not a player because the target machine is a 2011 vintage
Dell PowerEdge that does not support booting from thumb drives.


I've been there, but was never offered a T-shirt.  If my imperfect 
memory serves, the solution was Netboot.


--
George N. White III




I had same problem with 7.9.2009. I used a DVD-R DL with k3b and it worked.


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Re: Can't burn a CentOS 7.9 DVD

[George N. White III]

On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 at 18:49, Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users <
users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> On Fri, 2021-03-12 at 16:22 -0500, Terry Polzin wrote:
>
> Did you check the checksums?  Bad download?
>
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 4:15 PM Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users <
> users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>
> Is the CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2009.iso really too big to burn on a DVD-R?
> Brasero under Centos 7.9 and Fedora 33 both say a 4.7GB blank disk isn't
> big enough.
>
> --Doc Savage
> Fairview Heights, IL
>
>
> Terry,
>
> The checksums are perfect. What I am probably looking for is anyone who
> CAN burn that iso to a blank DVD-R or DVD+R. If Brasero won't do it, is it
> because the iso image is just every-so-slightly too large?
>
> In this particular situation, dd-ing the image to an 8GB thumb drive is
> not a player because the target machine is a 2011 vintage Dell PowerEdge
> that does not support booting from thumb drives.
>

I've been there, but was never offered a T-shirt.  If my imperfect memory
serves, the solution was Netboot.

-- 
George N. White III
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Re: Can't burn a CentOS 7.9 DVD

[Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users]

On Fri, 2021-03-12 at 16:22 -0500, Terry Polzin wrote:
> Did you check the checksums?  Bad download?
> 
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 4:15 PM Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users
>  wrote:
> > Is the CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2009.iso really too big to burn on a
> > DVD-R? Brasero under Centos 7.9 and Fedora 33 both say a 4.7GB
> > blank disk isn't big enough.
> > 
> > --Doc Savage
> >     Fairview Heights, IL

Terry,

The checksums are perfect. What I am probably looking for is anyone who
CAN burn that iso to a blank DVD-R or DVD+R. If Brasero won't do it, is
it because the iso image is just every-so-slightly too large?

In this particular situation, dd-ing the image to an 8GB thumb drive is
not a player because the target machine is a 2011 vintage Dell
PowerEdge that does not support booting from thumb drives.

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Re: Can't burn a CentOS 7.9 DVD

[Terry Polzin]

Did you check the checksums?  Bad download?

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 4:15 PM Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users <
users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> Is the CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2009.iso really too big to burn on a DVD-R?
> Brasero under Centos 7.9 and Fedora 33 both say a 4.7GB blank disk isn't
> big enough.
>
> --Doc Savage
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Can't burn a CentOS 7.9 DVD

[Robert G. (Doc) Savage via users]

Is the CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-2009.iso really too big to burn on a DVD-R?
Brasero under Centos 7.9 and Fedora 33 both say a 4.7GB blank disk
isn't big enough.

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Re: Can't boot VM with a passthrough DVD

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-07-11 09:32, Konstantin Svist wrote:
> On 7/10/20 00:26, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>> On 7/10/20 12:18 AM, Konstantin Svist wrote:
>>> Hm, also I don't see "Source path"...
>> After you've added it, click on the SATA CDROM entry in the list. 
>> Then you will see the source path in the details on the right.
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> Ah yeah, got it
>
> My Source Path shows the media title correctly.
>
> I also tried to eject the DVD before turning on the VM - that results in
> a similar error, "Error starting domain: internal error: child reported
> (status=125): unable to open /dev/sr0: No medium found"

While things worked for me with the guest using the host's DVD drive I should 
mention a "funny".

I use KDE as my desktop and apparently there was a "competition" between KDE on 
the host and
Win10 on the guest.  If I ejected the DVD from either one, the tray wouldn't 
stay opened.  I had
to be very quick to insert or remove the DVD from the tray.  I'm sure I could 
have figured it out
if I wanted tobut since I would normally use an iso instead of the actual 
drive itself I didn't spend
any time on it.






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Re: Can't boot VM with a passthrough DVD

[Konstantin Svist]

On 7/10/20 03:27, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 2020-07-10 15:17, Konstantin Svist wrote:
>> My xml looks a bit different, though
>>
>> 
>>   
>>   
>>   
>>   
>>   
>> 
>>
>>
>> libvirt* 5.6.0-7.fc31
>>
>> qemu* 2:4.1.1-1.fc31
>
> I'm on f32, but that shouldn't make a difference.
>
> The alternative instead of using the drive directly would be to use dd
> on the host system
> to copy the cd to an file would would then be in iso format.  I did
> this with a DVD that I'd
> used as backup.
>
> [egreshko@meimei ~]$ file cdrom.iso
> cdrom.iso: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'K3b data project'
>
> https://imgur.com/gallery/839HJ2G
>
> Which actually works a bit better than using drive.
>
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Thanks, I think I'll have to do this... -_-
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Re: Can't boot VM with a passthrough DVD

[Konstantin Svist]

On 7/10/20 00:26, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 7/10/20 12:18 AM, Konstantin Svist wrote:
>> Hm, also I don't see "Source path"...
>
> After you've added it, click on the SATA CDROM entry in the list. 
> Then you will see the source path in the details on the right.
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Ah yeah, got it

My Source Path shows the media title correctly.

I also tried to eject the DVD before turning on the VM - that results in
a similar error, "Error starting domain: internal error: child reported
(status=125): unable to open /dev/sr0: No medium found"
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Re: Can't boot VM with a passthrough DVD

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2020-07-09 23:21, Konstantin Svist wrote:

Definitely not what I asked, I already have w10 installed just fine from an ISO 
-- but now trying to install other software from a DVD (wait, what year is 
this??)
But seriously, I want to forward the optical drive to windows, I should be able 
to do that..



Hi Konstantin,

So, again not what you asked, but that does not stop me!
What me goes off on a tangent  NEVER!  Well, maybe.

If you or the guys don't figure this out, here is a
work around.

Make an iso of your DVD/CD and mount it as
a CD-ROM in virt-mamager:

# dd if=/dev/sr0  of=[path]/[name].iso


Speaking of software from 1865, I still use the abandoned
Lotus Approach and Lotus WordPro.  Both run better
under Wine than does Libre Office, especially
envelope printing and tables.

So, I made an ISO out of my CD and have it copied
several places for safe keeping.  If I need it, I
can mount the ISO as a CD-ROM in virt-manager.

HTH,
-T



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Re: Can't boot VM with a passthrough DVD

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-07-10 15:17, Konstantin Svist wrote:
> My xml looks a bit different, though
>
> 
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
> 
>
>
> libvirt* 5.6.0-7.fc31
>
> qemu* 2:4.1.1-1.fc31

I'm on f32, but that shouldn't make a difference.

The alternative instead of using the drive directly would be to use dd on the 
host system
to copy the cd to an file would would then be in iso format.  I did this with a 
DVD that I'd
used as backup.

[egreshko@meimei ~]$ file cdrom.iso
cdrom.iso: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'K3b data project'

https://imgur.com/gallery/839HJ2G

Which actually works a bit better than using drive.

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Re: Can't boot VM with a passthrough DVD

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-07-10 15:18, Konstantin Svist wrote:
> Hm, also I don't see "Source path"...

As Samuel said...

https://imgur.com/gallery/Y8QJ4qt


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Re: Can't boot VM with a passthrough DVD

[Samuel Sieb]

On 7/10/20 12:18 AM, Konstantin Svist wrote:

Hm, also I don't see "Source path"...


After you've added it, click on the SATA CDROM entry in the list.  Then 
you will see the source path in the details on the right.

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Re: Can't boot VM with a passthrough DVD

[Konstantin Svist]

On 7/10/20 00:02, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 2020-07-10 11:01, Konstantin Svist wrote:
>> I've set up a win10 virtual machine in VMM QEMU/KVM and trying to pass
>> through a DVD.
>>
>> The virtual disk setting in the VM suggests /dev/sr0, but whenever I
>> select that, the machine refuses to boot with the following error:
>>
>>
>> I've tried changing the disk bus (SATA/SCSI), and flipping "Shareable"
>> toggle, neither one helps.
>>
>> Storage format is set to "raw" (text), not sure what else it should be..
>>
>>
>> Any help?
>>
> I just added a DVD drive to an existing Win10 VM using virt-manager.
>
> I used "Add Hardware"--->Storage
>
> I checked the box "Select or create custom storage" and entered /dev/sr0.
>
> I used Device type CDROM Device and Bus type SATA.
>
> Even though "Source path" showed No media detected the CDROM was available in 
> the VM when booted.
>
> FWIW, this is the xml created for the VM.
>
> 
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
> 
>
> Screen shots available upon request.


Hm, also I don't see "Source path"...
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Re: Can't boot VM with a passthrough DVD

[Konstantin Svist]

On 7/10/20 00:02, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 2020-07-10 11:01, Konstantin Svist wrote:
>> I've set up a win10 virtual machine in VMM QEMU/KVM and trying to pass
>> through a DVD.
>>
>> The virtual disk setting in the VM suggests /dev/sr0, but whenever I
>> select that, the machine refuses to boot with the following error:
>>
>>
>> I've tried changing the disk bus (SATA/SCSI), and flipping "Shareable"
>> toggle, neither one helps.
>>
>> Storage format is set to "raw" (text), not sure what else it should be..
>>
>>
>> Any help?
>>
> I just added a DVD drive to an existing Win10 VM using virt-manager.
>
> I used "Add Hardware"--->Storage
>
> I checked the box "Select or create custom storage" and entered /dev/sr0.
>
> I used Device type CDROM Device and Bus type SATA.
>
> Even though "Source path" showed No media detected the CDROM was available in 
> the VM when booted.
>
> FWIW, this is the xml created for the VM.
>
> 
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
> 
>
> Screen shots available upon request.


Already tried it, but just now tried the same thing, with same error
when trying to start the machine.

"Error starting domain: internal error: child reported (status=125):
unable to open /dev/sr0: Read-only file system"


My xml looks a bit different, though


  
  
  
  
  



libvirt* 5.6.0-7.fc31

qemu* 2:4.1.1-1.fc31


sigh..
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Re: Can't boot VM with a passthrough DVD

[Samuel Sieb]

On 7/9/20 8:01 PM, Konstantin Svist wrote:

I've set up a win10 virtual machine in VMM QEMU/KVM and trying to pass
through a DVD.

The virtual disk setting in the VM suggests /dev/sr0, but whenever I
select that, the machine refuses to boot with the following error:


I just tried it and it worked with no problems.  Add Hardware -> Storage 
-> Select Custom -> enter "/dev/sr0" -> Device Type cdrom -> Bus SATA.

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Re: Can't boot VM with a passthrough DVD

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-07-10 11:01, Konstantin Svist wrote:
> I've set up a win10 virtual machine in VMM QEMU/KVM and trying to pass
> through a DVD.
>
> The virtual disk setting in the VM suggests /dev/sr0, but whenever I
> select that, the machine refuses to boot with the following error:
>
>
> I've tried changing the disk bus (SATA/SCSI), and flipping "Shareable"
> toggle, neither one helps.
>
> Storage format is set to "raw" (text), not sure what else it should be..
>
>
> Any help?
>

I just added a DVD drive to an existing Win10 VM using virt-manager.

I used "Add Hardware"--->Storage

I checked the box "Select or create custom storage" and entered /dev/sr0.

I used Device type CDROM Device and Bus type SATA.

Even though "Source path" showed No media detected the CDROM was available in 
the VM when booted.

FWIW, this is the xml created for the VM.


  
  
  
  
  
  
  


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Re: Can't boot VM with a passthrough DVD

[Konstantin Svist]

Definitely not what I asked, I already have w10 installed just fine from an ISO 
-- but now trying to install other software from a DVD (wait, what year is 
this??)
But seriously, I want to forward the optical drive to windows, I should be able 
to do that..
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Re: Can't boot VM with a passthrough DVD

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2020-07-09 20:01, Konstantin Svist wrote:

I've set up a win10 virtual machine in VMM QEMU/KVM and trying to pass
through a DVD.

The virtual disk setting in the VM suggests /dev/sr0, but whenever I
select that, the machine refuses to boot with the following error:


Error starting domain: internal error: child reported (status=125):
unable to open /dev/sr0: Read-only file system

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/share/virt-manager/virtManager/asyncjob.py", line 75, in
cb_wrapper
     callback(asyncjob, *args, **kwargs)
   File "/usr/share/virt-manager/virtManager/asyncjob.py", line 111, in tmpcb
     callback(*args, **kwargs)
   File "/usr/share/virt-manager/virtManager/object/libvirtobject.py",
line 66, in newfn
     ret = fn(self, *args, **kwargs)
   File "/usr/share/virt-manager/virtManager/object/domain.py", line
1279, in startup
     self._backend.create()
   File "/usr/lib64/python3.7/site-packages/libvirt.py", line 1136, in create
     if ret == -1: raise libvirtError ('virDomainCreate() failed', dom=self)
libvirt.libvirtError: internal error: child reported (status=125):
unable to open /dev/sr0: Read-only file system


I've tried changing the disk bus (SATA/SCSI), and flipping "Shareable"
toggle, neither one helps.

Storage format is set to "raw" (text), not sure what else it should be..


Any help?



Hi Konstantin,

Not what you asked, BUT WHEN DOES THAT STOP ME!

W10 installs a lot easier/faster from the ISO.

Go to

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO

and download the ISO.  This insures you get the latest build.
M$'s updates are a NIGHTMARE.

Then inside virt-manager, mount the iso as a SATA CD-ROM.
Then go to boot and set it at the top

Let me know if you want my W10 de-fang procedure

-T

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Can't boot VM with a passthrough DVD

[Konstantin Svist]

I've set up a win10 virtual machine in VMM QEMU/KVM and trying to pass
through a DVD.

The virtual disk setting in the VM suggests /dev/sr0, but whenever I
select that, the machine refuses to boot with the following error:


Error starting domain: internal error: child reported (status=125):
unable to open /dev/sr0: Read-only file system

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/share/virt-manager/virtManager/asyncjob.py", line 75, in
cb_wrapper
    callback(asyncjob, *args, **kwargs)
  File "/usr/share/virt-manager/virtManager/asyncjob.py", line 111, in tmpcb
    callback(*args, **kwargs)
  File "/usr/share/virt-manager/virtManager/object/libvirtobject.py",
line 66, in newfn
    ret = fn(self, *args, **kwargs)
  File "/usr/share/virt-manager/virtManager/object/domain.py", line
1279, in startup
    self._backend.create()
  File "/usr/lib64/python3.7/site-packages/libvirt.py", line 1136, in create
    if ret == -1: raise libvirtError ('virDomainCreate() failed', dom=self)
libvirt.libvirtError: internal error: child reported (status=125):
unable to open /dev/sr0: Read-only file system


I've tried changing the disk bus (SATA/SCSI), and flipping "Shareable"
toggle, neither one helps.

Storage format is set to "raw" (text), not sure what else it should be..


Any help?

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[George N. White III]

On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 at 01:23, Michael Hennebry <
henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:

> On Fri, 29 May 2020, George N. White III wrote:
>
> > Have you tried the vga= kernel boot parameter?   For Xwindows it would be
> > good to get something other than VESA running, either i915 or by adding a
> > graphics card.
>
> I have now.
> No go.
>
> > I had a look at the dmesg log on an old system with Nvidia card.   It was
> > set to display
> > the startup messages, which were initially at low res then switched to
> the
> > resolution of
> > the monitor.  The switch appears to occur when dmesg reports that nouveau
> > has started.
> > Have you looked in dmesg for any indication of why it doesn't load the
> i915
> > driver?
>
> It does load the i915 driver.
> [   60.044675] pci :00:00.0: detected 8192K stolen memory
> [   60.054985] checking generic (e000 7f) vs hw (f010 8)
> [   60.054987] checking generic (e000 7f) vs hw (e000 1000)
> [   60.054988] fb0: switching to inteldrmfb from VESA VGA
> [   60.065317] Console: switching to colour dummy device 80x25
> [   60.065381] i915 :00:02.0: vgaarb: deactivate vga console
> [   60.066924] [drm] ACPI BIOS requests an excessive sleep of 4022337523
> ms, using 1500 ms instead
> [   60.066933] [drm] Supports vblank timestamp caching Rev 2 (21.10.2013).
> [   60.066936] [drm] Driver supports precise vblank timestamp query.
> [   60.067241] i915 :00:02.0: vgaarb: changed VGA decodes:
> olddecodes=io+mem,decodes=io+mem:owns=io+mem
> [   60.084775] [drm] Initialized overlay support.
> [   60.086225] [drm] Initialized i915 1.6.0 20200114 for :00:02.0 on
> minor 0
> [   60.086456] ACPI: Video Device [GFX0] (multi-head: no  rom: yes  post:
> no)
> [   60.086568] input: Video Bus as
> /devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXSYBUS:00/PNP0A08:00/LNXVIDEO:00/input/input12
> [   60.118670] fbcon: i915drmfb (fb0) is primary device
>

But the snippet from Xorg.0.log had:


[   109.570] (EE) Unable to find a valid framebuffer device
[   109.571] (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory
[   109.571] (EE) Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section.



> [   60.163409] Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 180x56
> [   60.183707] i915 :00:02.0: fb0: i915drmfb frame buffer device
>

If you edit the options in the boot command line to remove what ever "rhgb
quiet" has morphed to you should see the first few lines in low res. and
then the 180x56 text output.   Have a look at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/BlankScreen


> Is this bit from dmesg relevant?
> [0.676375] PCI: Using host bridge windows from ACPI; if necessary, use
> "pci=nocrs" and report a bug
> [0.677023] ACPI: Enabled 11 GPEs in block 00 to 3F
> [0.685546] ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (domain  [bus 00-ff])
> [0.68] acpi PNP0A08:00: _OSC: OS supports [ExtendedConfig ASPM
> ClockPM Segments MSI HPX-Type3]
> [0.685562] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): \_SB.PCI0._OSC: Excess arguments -
> ASL declared 5, ACPI requires 4 (20200110/nsarguments-160)
> [0.685616] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object
> [\_SB.PCI0._OSC.CAPD], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20200110/dsfield-181)
> [0.685625] ACPI Error: Aborting method \_SB.PCI0._OSC due to previous
> error (AE_ALREADY_EXISTS) (20200110/psparse-529)
>

https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198003  I've seen this before,
probably on boxes similar to yours.
https://access.redhat.com/solutions/58790 explains workarounds and
their consequences, also useful is
https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v5.6/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html


I'm calling it a night.
> Frustration is exhausting.
>

I was lucky that I didn't really need X11 to work on the similar boxes
(they ran lightweight batch processing
in a machine room and also managed the UPS's via serial ports).   Some
people actually repair the buggy BIOS:
https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/acpi-error-excess-arguments-asl-declared-5-acpi-requires-4.71283/
.


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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

On Fri, 29 May 2020, George N. White III wrote:


Have you tried the vga= kernel boot parameter?   For Xwindows it would be
good to get something other than VESA running, either i915 or by adding a
graphics card.


I have now.
No go.


I had a look at the dmesg log on an old system with Nvidia card.   It was
set to display
the startup messages, which were initially at low res then switched to the
resolution of
the monitor.  The switch appears to occur when dmesg reports that nouveau
has started.
Have you looked in dmesg for any indication of why it doesn't load the i915
driver?


It does load the i915 driver.
[   60.044675] pci :00:00.0: detected 8192K stolen memory
[   60.054985] checking generic (e000 7f) vs hw (f010 8)
[   60.054987] checking generic (e000 7f) vs hw (e000 1000)
[   60.054988] fb0: switching to inteldrmfb from VESA VGA
[   60.065317] Console: switching to colour dummy device 80x25
[   60.065381] i915 :00:02.0: vgaarb: deactivate vga console
[   60.066924] [drm] ACPI BIOS requests an excessive sleep of 4022337523 ms, 
using 1500 ms instead
[   60.066933] [drm] Supports vblank timestamp caching Rev 2 (21.10.2013).
[   60.066936] [drm] Driver supports precise vblank timestamp query.
[   60.067241] i915 :00:02.0: vgaarb: changed VGA decodes: 
olddecodes=io+mem,decodes=io+mem:owns=io+mem
[   60.084775] [drm] Initialized overlay support.
[   60.086225] [drm] Initialized i915 1.6.0 20200114 for :00:02.0 on minor 0
[   60.086456] ACPI: Video Device [GFX0] (multi-head: no  rom: yes  post: no)
[   60.086568] input: Video Bus as 
/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXSYBUS:00/PNP0A08:00/LNXVIDEO:00/input/input12
[   60.118670] fbcon: i915drmfb (fb0) is primary device
[   60.163409] Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 180x56
[   60.183707] i915 :00:02.0: fb0: i915drmfb frame buffer device


Is this bit from dmesg relevant?
[0.676375] PCI: Using host bridge windows from ACPI; if necessary, use 
"pci=nocrs" and report a bug
[0.677023] ACPI: Enabled 11 GPEs in block 00 to 3F
[0.685546] ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (domain  [bus 00-ff])
[0.68] acpi PNP0A08:00: _OSC: OS supports [ExtendedConfig ASPM ClockPM 
Segments MSI HPX-Type3]
[0.685562] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): \_SB.PCI0._OSC: Excess arguments - ASL 
declared 5, ACPI requires 4 (20200110/nsarguments-160)
[0.685616] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object 
[\_SB.PCI0._OSC.CAPD], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20200110/dsfield-181)
[0.685625] ACPI Error: Aborting method \_SB.PCI0._OSC due to previous error 
(AE_ALREADY_EXISTS) (20200110/psparse-529)


I'm calling it a night.
Frustration is exhausting.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

On Fri, 29 May 2020, George N. White III wrote:


Have you tried the vga= kernel boot parameter?   For Xwindows it would be
good to get something other than VESA running, either i915 or by adding a
graphics card.


I'll try that next,
though the problem seems to be that a power that be
seems to think I only have a 640x480 screen.
Vesa finds larger modes.


I had a look at the dmesg log on an old system with Nvidia card.   It was
set to display
the startup messages, which were initially at low res then switched to the
resolution of
the monitor.  The switch appears to occur when dmesg reports that nouveau
has started.
Have you looked in dmesg for any indication of why it doesn't load the i915
driver?


I'll try.



https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/gpu/i915.html says: "The drm/i915
driver supports all (with the exception of some very early models)
integrated GFX chipsets with both Intel display and rendering blocks."   It
is possible that your system is one of those "very early models", or that
the kernel developers removed support for some not quite as early models.
The driver also needs a .bin
firmware file.  I have had problems with other hardware when upstream
omitted the firmware files
needed by old hardware.


I have the latest and greatest firmware.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[George N. White III]

On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 10:56, Michael Hennebry <
henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:

> For whatever reason,
> the persistent overlay does not work for me.
>
> I can get to runlevel 3 with or without nomodeset.
> With nomodeset,
> telinit 5
> brings me to 640x480 .
> Without nomodeset, it fails:
> the oh no screen rears its ugly head.
>
> Is there something I can do at runlevel 3
> to get a mode other than 640x480 ?
>

Have you tried the vga= kernel boot parameter?   For Xwindows it would be
good to get something other than VESA running, either i915 or by adding a
graphics card.

>
> Is there something that will change xrandr's
> idea of the screen size?
>

I had a look at the dmesg log on an old system with Nvidia card.   It was
set to display
the startup messages, which were initially at low res then switched to the
resolution of
the monitor.  The switch appears to occur when dmesg reports that nouveau
has started.
Have you looked in dmesg for any indication of why it doesn't load the i915
driver?

https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/gpu/i915.html says: "The drm/i915
driver supports all (with the exception of some very early models)
integrated GFX chipsets with both Intel display and rendering blocks."   It
is possible that your system is one of those "very early models", or that
the kernel developers removed support for some not quite as early models.
 The driver also needs a .bin
firmware file.  I have had problems with other hardware when upstream
omitted the firmware files
needed by old hardware.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

For whatever reason,
the persistent overlay does not work for me.

I can get to runlevel 3 with or without nomodeset.
With nomodeset,
telinit 5
brings me to 640x480 .
Without nomodeset, it fails:
the oh no screen rears its ugly head.

Is there something I can do at runlevel 3
to get a mode other than 640x480 ?

Is there something that will change xrandr's
idea of the screen size?

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

On Thu, 28 May 2020, Michael Hennebry wrote:


On Thu, 28 May 2020, Samuel Sieb wrote:

I don't recall you mentioning which live image you're using.  Assuming it's 
workstation, edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf and uncomment the line with 
"WaylandEnable=false".  Then reboot and see what happens.


'Twas only in the first post:
On Sun, 24 May 2020, Michael Hennebry wrote:


I've trying to run Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso
on my HP Compac dc5800 Small Form Factor.


Alas when I boot, I get the message
Unable to find persistent overlay; using temporary one.


I tried booting to runlevel 3,
editing custom.conf and telinit 5 .
Without nomodeset , it gave me the Oh no ssscreen.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

On Thu, 28 May 2020, Samuel Sieb wrote:

I don't recall you mentioning which live image you're using.  Assuming it's 
workstation, edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf and uncomment the line with 
"WaylandEnable=false".  Then reboot and see what happens.


'Twas only in the first post:
On Sun, 24 May 2020, Michael Hennebry wrote:


I've trying to run Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso
on my HP Compac dc5800 Small Form Factor.


Alas when I boot, I get the message
Unable to find persistent overlay; using temporary one.

I'd used the following command and had gotten the ok:
[root@localhost-live ~]# livecd-iso-to-disk --format --msdos --overlay-size-mb 
1024 *.iso /dev/sdc

Grrr.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Samuel Sieb]

On 5/28/20 1:16 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:

On Tue, 26 May 2020, Samuel Sieb wrote:

livecd-iso-to-disk --format --msdos --overlay-size-mb 1024 
Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-32-1.2.iso /dev/sdd


Replace the sdd with your USB drive, this will completely wipe the 
drive. Put the name of whatever iso image you're using instead of the 
workstation one. The 1024 makes a 1GB overlay.  When you boot that 
drive, any changes you make will be persistent.  You can install 
packages, change configs, whatever you want, up to 1GB of changes. 
There's also an option to create a home partition as well, optionally 
encrypted, but you don't need that right now. For now, the /home 
directory will be part of the overlay.


Done that.
I suppose now I need to boot and
figure out the changes I need to make.


I don't recall you mentioning which live image you're using.  Assuming 
it's workstation, edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf and uncomment the line with 
"WaylandEnable=false".  Then reboot and see what happens.

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