Re: Desktop stickiness under Fedora-16/KDE
Genes MailLists wrote: K-menu-System Settings- Desktop Search As a matter of interest, what is lost if one does this (as I have). [turn off Enable Nepomuk Semantic Desktop] Presumably running strigi indexing must have some benefit? Desktop search: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strigi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEPOMUK_(framework) http://nepomuk.kde.org/ http://dot.kde.org/2007/04/11/road-kde-4-strigi-and-file-information- extraction And others ... I've looked at these, and while the idea behind nepomuk (semantic desktop) seems quite interesting, there doesn't seem to be anything that would help me in my perhaps simple-minded use of Fedora/KDE. And there do seem a number of problems associated with nepomuk/strigi. Do you have a concrete application you have used nepomuk/strigi for? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Desktop stickiness under Fedora-16/KDE
On 01/02/2012 07:34 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Do you have a concrete application you have used nepomuk/strigi for? Not me sorry - I turn it off :-) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Desktop stickiness under Fedora-16/KDE
On 01/01/2012 08:12 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Genes MailLists wrote: ... K-menu-System Settings- Desktop Search As a matter of interest, what is lost if one does this (as I have). Presumably running strigi indexing must have some benefit? Desktop search: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strigi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEPOMUK_(framework) http://nepomuk.kde.org/ http://dot.kde.org/2007/04/11/road-kde-4-strigi-and-file-information-extraction And others ... gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Desktop stickiness under Fedora-16/KDE
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 10:32:18PM -0500, Genes MailLists wrote: yes - tho Gnome has a similar thing - it may be called Beagle .. but I'm not sure ... Beagle was used in the past. Currently it uses Tracker. Before the release of 3.0, Tracker could still negatively impacted performance. This was fixed before 3.0 (you can tell the kernel to give a low/idle priority for a processes IO, etc). -- Regards, Olav -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Desktop stickiness under Fedora-16/KDE
On 01/01/2012 03:06 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: Beagle was used in the past. Currently it uses Tracker. Before the release of 3.0, Tracker could still negatively impacted performance. This was fixed before 3.0 (you can tell the kernel to give a low/idle priority for a processes IO, etc). That makes sense - the newer KDE one may be similar as I didn't notice any performance problem, but habit made me kill it quickly ... may be worth re-investigating .. thanks for followup. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Desktop stickiness under Fedora-16/KDE
My desktop siezes up every hour or so; I can continue in the current desktop, but cannot change to another desktop or go to another application by clicking on an icon in the panel. The problem cures itself in 20-30 seconds, so it is not life-threatening. I killall-ed upowerd, but that didn't do the trick. There is nothing untoward in /var/log/messages. The problem could be to do with Firefox or KDE or Fedora; I'm not sure which. I've seen a few comments on this, but has anyone found a cure? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Desktop stickiness under Fedora-16/KDE
On 12/31/2011 09:36 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: My desktop siezes up every hour or so; I can continue in the current desktop, but cannot change to another desktop or go to another application by clicking on an icon in the panel. The problem cures itself in 20-30 seconds, so it is not life-threatening. I killall-ed upowerd, but that didn't do the trick. There is nothing untoward in /var/log/messages. The problem could be to do with Firefox or KDE or Fedora; I'm not sure which. I've seen a few comments on this, but has anyone found a cure? FWIW, I'm running a fully updated F16/KDE system. Normally I have Chrome, Thunderbird, and one or two VirtualBox VM's running...and maybe Google Earth. I've got 8GB of RAM and swap is not being used. I run 6 desktops and have never seen a lockup or stickiness condition you've described. Where have you see others report this? I may have missed it on this list -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -- Douglas Adams in Mostly Harmless -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Desktop stickiness under Fedora-16/KDE
On Sat, 2011-12-31 at 14:36 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: My desktop siezes up every hour or so; I can continue in the current desktop, but cannot change to another desktop or go to another application by clicking on an icon in the panel. gnome shell locks up for me at least once a day. I can continue working in the apps I have open and that are up on the screen, but I can't alt-tab to anything else, or open new apps. The entire top and bottom bars cease to work. The problem cures itself in 20-30 seconds, so it is not life-threatening. Once gnome shell locks up for me, it doesn't recover. I killall-ed upowerd, but that didn't do the trick. There is nothing untoward in /var/log/messages. If I'm lucky and I have gnome terminal open, I can find the PID for gnome shell and then send it a SIGHUP. That always restarts gnome shell, making it usable again. The added bonus I get to stay signed into my current gnome session. Before I knew I could do the above, I always issued a ctrl-alt-backspace, which kills my entire gnome session. However, I still sometimes have to do this because I don't always have a terminal front and centre, and sometimes switching to a tty (to restart gnome-shell as above) doesn't work either. The problem could be to do with Firefox or KDE or Fedora; I'm not sure which. I have found no pattern in my lock-ups. They are completely random. I've seen a few comments on this, but has anyone found a cure? I'm not if you are experiencing the same problem I am. It sounds like it's similar. For the most part, I actually like gnome shell, but it's buggy. I miss my old, stable Gnome 2. :( Ranbir -- Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu Linux 2.6.41.4-1.fc15.x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux 10:35:14 up 18 days, 12:53, 2 users, load average: 1.42, 1.56, 1.39 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Desktop stickiness under Fedora-16/KDE
On 12/31/2011 08:36 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: My desktop siezes up every hour or so; I can continue in the current desktop, but cannot change to another desktop or go to another application by clicking on an icon in the panel. The problem cures itself in 20-30 seconds, so it is not life-threatening. ... You may want to turn off nepomuk/strigi indexing ... it can be offensive at times ... and you may want to run a terminal with (h)top running which may give you a clue what app is running if any or if its something like IO problem ... failing hard drives can lead to a lack of responsiveness ... so you may want to run a smart check as well. Final thought - NFS mounts .. you have any? They can cause blips for NFS home dirs ... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Desktop stickiness under Fedora-16/KDE
On Saturday, December 31, 2011 07:36:56 AM Timothy Murphy wrote:
My desktop siezes up every hour or so;
I can continue in the current desktop,
but cannot change to another desktop
or go to another application by clicking on an icon in the panel.
The problem cures itself in 20-30 seconds,
so it is not life-threatening.
I killall-ed upowerd, but that didn't do the trick.
There is nothing untoward in /var/log/messages.
The problem could be to do with Firefox or KDE or Fedora;
I'm not sure which.
I've seen a few comments on this,
but has anyone found a cure?
I'm still on Fedora 15, not sure when I will upgrade.
I run KDE, kontact/kmail, pidgin, alternate between Firefox and google-chrome.
My reason for not upgrading, so far, my desktop has only 1 G of ram.
Even on Fedora 15, if I try to run Firefox + kmail + all of the friends,
(the friends being Nepomuk, Akonadi, and what they call in),
my system starts to swap.
Depending what I'm doing in Firefox, Firefox and it's friend,
the plugin-container, take lots of ram.
I will upgrade to Fedora 16 eventually, either when I can afford a new desktop,
or when I work up the courage to install on this desktop.
If possible, can you see the disk light on your desktop?
Is the disk light flashing when your desktop freezes up?
People may suggest reducing the memory footprint of Firefox.
I did a google search, found things to change in about:config,
disabled ram caching -- don't remember the change so do your own search,
disabled a number of Firefox plugins, all to control the memory footprint.
I actually created 2 scripts, use them at your own risk.
If my scripts are bad or wrong, hopefully someone will tell us.
One script stops a number of services, including kontact (kmail).
The other script starts those services.
I always stop services before using Firefox or google-chrome.
rsewill@rsewill:~ 3:3 $ more bin/stopmemoryhogs
#!/bin/bash
declare -i sleeptime=30
# qdbus im.pidgin.purple.PurpleService /im/pidgin/purple/PurpleObject
PurpleCoreQuit
qdbus org.kde.kontact /MainApplication quit
# qdbus org.kde.kopete /MainApplication quit
sleep ${sleeptime}
declare printerapp=$(qdbus | grep printer-applet)
[ ! -z ${printerapp} ] qdbus ${printerapp} /MainApplication quit
akonadictl stop
# qdbus org.kde.kmix /MainApplication quit
sleep ${sleeptime}
qdbus org.kde.NepomukServer /nepomukserver quit
qdbus org.kde.korgac /MainApplication quit
rsewill@rsewill:~ 3:4 $ more bin/startmemoryhogs
#!/bin/bash
declare -i sleeptime=30
nepomukserver
# pidgin -f
sleep ${sleeptime}
akonadictl start
# kopete
# kmix
sleep ${sleeptime}
kontact
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Re: Desktop stickiness under Fedora-16/KDE
Ed Greshko wrote: My desktop siezes up every hour or so; I can continue in the current desktop, but cannot change to another desktop or go to another application by clicking on an icon in the panel. The problem cures itself in 20-30 seconds, so it is not life-threatening. Where have you see others report this? I may have missed it on this list It was linked to the dbus bug with error messages Property get or set does not have an interface string as first arg which affected various applications, including upowerd, as in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=743779. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Desktop stickiness under Fedora-16/KDE
On 12/31/2011 11:09 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: On 12/31/2011 08:36 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: My desktop siezes up every hour or so; I can continue in the current desktop, but cannot change to another desktop or go to another application by clicking on an icon in the panel. The problem cures itself in 20-30 seconds, so it is not life-threatening. ... You may want to turn off nepomuk/strigi indexing ... it can be offensive at times ... Can you provide some info on where this is located? It sounds 'new' to me and you may want to run a terminal with (h)top running which may give you a clue what app is running if any or if its something like IO problem ... failing hard drives can lead to a lack of responsiveness ... so you may want to run a smart check as well. Final thought - NFS mounts .. you have any? They can cause blips for NFS home dirs ... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Desktop stickiness under Fedora-16/KDE
On 12/31/2011 06:18 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: . It was linked to the dbus bug with error messages Property get or set does not have an interface string as first arg which affected various applications, including upowerd, as in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=743779. glad you tracked it down -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Desktop stickiness under Fedora-16/KDE
On 12/31/2011 08:09 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 12/31/2011 11:09 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: .. You may want to turn off nepomuk/strigi indexing ... it can be offensive at times ... Can you provide some info on where this is located? It sounds 'new' to me K-menu-System Settings- Desktop Search gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Desktop stickiness under Fedora-16/KDE
On 01/01/2012 07:18 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Ed Greshko wrote: My desktop siezes up every hour or so; I can continue in the current desktop, but cannot change to another desktop or go to another application by clicking on an icon in the panel. The problem cures itself in 20-30 seconds, so it is not life-threatening. Where have you see others report this? I may have missed it on this list It was linked to the dbus bug with error messages Property get or set does not have an interface string as first arg which affected various applications, including upowerd, as in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=743779. I see Are you seeing the indications in the bugzilla? That is, excessive messages in /var/log/messages? You didn't mention that originally? -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -- Douglas Adams in Mostly Harmless -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Desktop stickiness under Fedora-16/KDE
On 12/31/2011 08:29 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: On 12/31/2011 08:09 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 12/31/2011 11:09 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: .. You may want to turn off nepomuk/strigi indexing ... it can be offensive at times ... Can you provide some info on where this is located? It sounds 'new' to me K-menu-System Settings- Desktop Search This is a kde feature then, not in gnome? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Desktop stickiness under Fedora-16/KDE
On 12/31/2011 10:01 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 12/31/2011 08:29 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: K-menu-System Settings- Desktop Search This is a kde feature then, not in gnome? yes - tho Gnome has a similar thing - it may be called Beagle .. but I'm not sure ... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
