Re: End of i686 Support
On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 7:41 AM, Tim wrote: > > And, is it still feasible to run the OS on old hardware? On my older > 32-bit PCs, the notion of running Gnome or KDE is impossible. They're > too slow for being fancy with the graphics card. And, some can't even > run a modern distro, because they can only take 1 gig of RAM. The > minimum specs for running Fedora have crept up and up over the years. > I haven't had any troubles lately on an old laptop with 1 gig of RAM. Haven't used Gnome or KDE in quite a long time. XFCE is runs fine, though I usually use something a little more esoteric (http://notion.sourceforge.net/) I have a little virtual machine in the wild somewhere with only 256 meg of RAM which has run everything I've needed (UnrealTournament server, Mumble server, etc.) except DNF, due to the sheer number of packages in Fedora. Memory usage is normally in the 75M range. Fedora is still a good a distro for little servers, despite the minimum spec creep. jeff -- Jeff Backus jeff.bac...@gmail.com http://github.com/jsbackus ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: End of i686 Support
On 06/09/17 12:41, Tim wrote: Robin Laing And, is it still feasible to run the OS on old hardware? On my older 32-bit PCs, the notion of running Gnome or KDE is impossible. They're too slow for being fancy with the graphics card. And, some can't even run a modern distro, because they can only take 1 gig of RAM. The minimum specs for running Fedora have crept up and up over the years. How old? F26/KDE runs without issues on my "Designed for Windows XP" Dell Inspiron 1300, with a 1.5GHz Celeron-M and 2GB of RAM. Albeit as slowly as you would expect, though that seems to be mostly due to being single core and spinny rust. I have thought about upgrading to an SSD but haven't done so yet. It would cost at least as much as the laptop is worth! So, for XP qualified machines, from experience yes you can repurpose them to run Fedora w. KDE. There are likely to be many of those about now that XP is discontinued and they won't run modern Windows. Regards, Chris R. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: End of i686 Support
I had to switch to linux mint on two old machines because for some reason, the X11 server refused to start to get on a graphical session. Not Cool On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 7:09 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 09/06/2017 01:41 PM, Tim wrote: > >> And, is it still feasible to run the OS on old hardware? >> > > Why should it not be? > > Just because some $DEITY@Redhat has decided you to throw away your old > hardware you must do so? > > Up to fc25 it was technically perfectly possible to run Fedora on a > variety of old hardware. Wth f26 things have tightened - f26 runs on some > ix86s but doesn't on others. > > Whether it is feasible for a personal use case, is up to you to decide. > > I chose Fedora because I run Fedora on all of my machines and because I > didn't want to add the personal load to maintain yet another OS. > > Now RH and FESCO seems to be want to push me to draw a decision - ATM, I > am evaluating other distros and am not sure I will continue support Fedora. > > On my older >> 32-bit PCs, the notion of running Gnome or KDE is impossible. They're >> too slow for being fancy with the graphics card. And, some can't even >> run a modern distro, because they can only take 1 gig of RAM. The >> minimum specs for running Fedora have crept up and up over the years. >> > > Well, don't read too much into the docs. I have been running Fc26 w/ xfce4 > on a Pentium III w/ 512MB RAM. No way with Gnome or KDE on this system. > > Ralf > > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > -- -- /\_/\ |O O| pepeb...@gmail.com Javier Perez While the night runs toward the day... m m Pepebuho watches from his high perch. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: End of i686 Support
On 09/06/2017 01:41 PM, Tim wrote: And, is it still feasible to run the OS on old hardware? Why should it not be? Just because some $DEITY@Redhat has decided you to throw away your old hardware you must do so? Up to fc25 it was technically perfectly possible to run Fedora on a variety of old hardware. Wth f26 things have tightened - f26 runs on some ix86s but doesn't on others. Whether it is feasible for a personal use case, is up to you to decide. I chose Fedora because I run Fedora on all of my machines and because I didn't want to add the personal load to maintain yet another OS. Now RH and FESCO seems to be want to push me to draw a decision - ATM, I am evaluating other distros and am not sure I will continue support Fedora. On my older 32-bit PCs, the notion of running Gnome or KDE is impossible. They're too slow for being fancy with the graphics card. And, some can't even run a modern distro, because they can only take 1 gig of RAM. The minimum specs for running Fedora have crept up and up over the years. Well, don't read too much into the docs. I have been running Fc26 w/ xfce4 on a Pentium III w/ 512MB RAM. No way with Gnome or KDE on this system. Ralf ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: End of i686 Support
Robin Laing >> BUT. How many of these places are actually running Linux at >> all? This is a question to be asked. If the usage is small, then >> dropping support may be an matter of economy of development >> resources. Jeff Backus > Yes, this is a very important part of the question. If there isn't > enough interest within the community to actually support i686, or any > feature for that matter, then it makes sense to move on. And, is it still feasible to run the OS on old hardware? On my older 32-bit PCs, the notion of running Gnome or KDE is impossible. They're too slow for being fancy with the graphics card. And, some can't even run a modern distro, because they can only take 1 gig of RAM. The minimum specs for running Fedora have crept up and up over the years. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.12.8-300.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Aug 17 15:30:20 UTC 2017 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Hooray! I finally finished typing this email. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: End of i686 Support
Allegedly, on or about 5 September 2017, Jeff Backus sent: > One of the reasons this issue has come up is because it is quite > difficult to quantify how popular a feature is within Fedora. All my computers are old, and there's a mix of 32- and 64-bit PCs. I'm loath to junk working PCs just because they're 32-bit. So I definitely want to see it keep going for the short-term future. My guess is that in a few years time, the old 32-bit PCs are going to fail all by themselves due to electronics parts degradation. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.12.8-300.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Aug 17 15:30:20 UTC 2017 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Linux cures Windows pains. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: End of i686 Support
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 9:13 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > It's true that we're not "catering to your personal needs", but that's > not really the issue. As I've explained before, what we need is people > willing to show up and put in the effort, not just ask that other > people do stuff for them. It's not a _leadership_ thing — it's a > _people doing the work_ thing. The other architectures you mention may > have less marketshare, but we have the contributors we need to make > them viable. *This* thread is a request from someone interested in > gathering more people to do that for i686, and as Fedora leadership, I > totally support that. Which we greatly appreciate! :) To add to what Matt said, I would say that the development side of the community has been generally quite supportive of i686 still be a part of Fedora - *IF* there are enough people interested in doing the work of supporting it. As I mentioned earlier, Fedora is a huge project with a lot more work to do than people to do it, so we have to prioritize. The ARM and PPC64 SIGs are very active, and thus Fedora has support for ARM and PPC64. Are you an i686 user? Do you want to continue to have the latest, shiniest Fedora on your hardware? Then please come join us. The rest of the community will give us the space and the positive vibes to continue that support. We just need to help support the parts of Fedora that are important to us. jeff -- Jeff Backus jeff.bac...@gmail.com http://github.com/jsbackus ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: End of i686 Support
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Christopher Ross wrote: > > Thanks for the heads up; I have just joined the x86 list on your prompting. Quite welcome! Welcome aboard! > For my part I have a lovely, powerful, 64-bit desktop/gaming machine but my > laptop is an old 32-bit Celeron M with 2G RAM. The latter is mainly used for > email (this was sent from it) and it is plenty powerful enough for > everything I use it for. There's no gain in spending money to upgrade it so > any such spare funds would go to improving the desktop machine. A new > graphics card perhaps. Nevertheless I greatly value being able to run the > same distribution (currently F26) on both. If I need to change the > distribution on the laptop to say, Ubuntu, I'd probably end up changing the > desktop over too. Agreed. Why replace something that works perfectly well. These machines are still great for running everything from e-mail and music servers, to casual browsing and e-mail. Plus, can't beat free. :) > I do realise this is of little consequence to the Fedora project, but as you > asked I thought I'd throw in my 2¢ worth. Definitely appreciate your 2¢ worth. One of the reasons this issue has come up is because it is quite difficult to quantify how popular a feature is within Fedora. The more people who are (positively) vocal about the parts of Fedora that are important to them, the more desire there is within the community to support that feature. So thanks! jeff -- Jeff Backus jeff.bac...@gmail.com http://github.com/jsbackus ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: End of i686 Support
On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 11:07 PM, Robin Laing wrote: > Myself have two i686 machines running. One will be disposed of in the next > month or two. The second one is great for emergencies and as a travel > (where stupid spy/scan laws prevail) throw away computer. > > If support is dropped, the second machine will survive on the latest version > that runs it until hardware is dead. > > My choice is to see i686 to finally end. You are in the majority on this, but ... > On the other side of the coin, support for economies where used computers > are being used, as the cost of new hardware is beyond the level of income > for these locations. i686 is a way to provide a working computer system > without the extra costs. Support for many of these machines may be > necessary to provide a level of security. Exactly! And not just in other economies. In the U.S., you can still find hardware that will suffice for many uses for next to nothing. Sure, it might not be a big deal if you are picking up one or two, but how about 20? I mean, with dirt cheap hardware that is good enough you can: * Run a camp for teaching kids to code * ... or do basic graphical design with Inkscape or gimp * Teach basic office skills to those not fortunate enough to have regular access to a computer * Set up a community center providing access to e-mail and other online services Those are all common examples in the U.S. that, in many cases, require access to cheap hardware in order to be viable. > > BUT. How many of these places are actually running Linux at all? This is a > question to be asked. If the usage is small, then dropping support may be > an matter of economy of development resources. Yes, this is a very important part of the question. If there isn't enough interest within the community to actually support i686, or any feature for that matter, then it makes sense to move on. One of the great things about the Fedora community is that it quite supportive of such things - if there is enough interest to drive it. jeff -- Jeff Backus jeff.bac...@gmail.com http://github.com/jsbackus ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: End of i686 Support
On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Eddie O'Connor wrote: > While I myself don't have any x86 hardware, I know many people whom I've > introduced to Linux that are running it on their x86 machines. SO yes, this > architecture should still be supported, (at least until say...'20?...a nice > round figure!) After that? I might make more sense to drop it since most of > the OEM's are manufacturing x64 machines only. (Very rarely can you find old > technology on a manufacturer's web site. check Dell, HP, Lenovo, Acer, > etcyou'll see nothing but x64 machines)just my two cents. Also I'll > be passing this link on to those who might be able to contribute. I might > even find an old PC and try to help out myselfanything for the > "Fedorians" that make my computing life easier and more pleasant!) Great! Thanks for spreading the word. The more the merrier! jeff -- Jeff Backus jeff.bac...@gmail.com http://github.com/jsbackus ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: End of i686 Support
On Tue, Sep 05, 2017 at 05:14:33AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > running Fedora, but I am now looking for alternative distros because > Fedora's leadership apparently is not willing to cater my personal > needs. It's true that we're not "catering to your personal needs", but that's not really the issue. As I've explained before, what we need is people willing to show up and put in the effort, not just ask that other people do stuff for them. It's not a _leadership_ thing — it's a _people doing the work_ thing. The other architectures you mention may have less marketshare, but we have the contributors we need to make them viable. *This* thread is a request from someone interested in gathering more people to do that for i686, and as Fedora leadership, I totally support that. -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: End of i686 Support
On 04/09/17 04:07, Robin Laing wrote: On 03/09/17 09:53, Jeff Backus wrote: As you may or may not be aware, there is an active discussion on the development side as to whether or not we continue to support the x86 architecture. ... Is x86 support still important to you? If so, then come join us! We need all of the help we can get. Not a developer? No problem! We still need people with hardware to help us evaluate software. Thanks for the heads up; I have just joined the x86 list on your prompting. For my part I have a lovely, powerful, 64-bit desktop/gaming machine but my laptop is an old 32-bit Celeron M with 2G RAM. The latter is mainly used for email (this was sent from it) and it is plenty powerful enough for everything I use it for. There's no gain in spending money to upgrade it so any such spare funds would go to improving the desktop machine. A new graphics card perhaps. Nevertheless I greatly value being able to run the same distribution (currently F26) on both. If I need to change the distribution on the laptop to say, Ubuntu, I'd probably end up changing the desktop over too. I do realise this is of little consequence to the Fedora project, but as you asked I thought I'd throw in my 2¢ worth. Regards, Chris R. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: End of i686 Support
On Sep 5 08:45, Andras Simon wrote: > 2017-09-05 5:14 GMT+02:00, Ralf Corsepius : > > On 09/04/2017 07:18 PM, Andras Simon wrote: > >> 2017-09-04 18:36 GMT+02:00, Ralf Corsepius : > >>> [...] > >>> > >>> Actually, I'd recommend Fedora/RH to drop all other "secondary" archs, > >>> because they do not have a community user base. > >> > >> How do you know? > > > > - How many arm, s370, ppc or mips machines do you have around? > >Except of the arm - which some enthusiasts/hobbists may have - > >probably none. > > > > - How many ix86s have been sold? > >Probably 100s of millions, if not billions. > > > > - How many ix86s are still in use? > >Probably millions, most of them probably running Microsoft Windows. > > > > > > That said, I still have 3 of these around, so far having been running > > Fedora, but I am now looking for alternative distros because Fedora's > > leadership apparently is not willing to cater my personal needs. > > > > To summarize, your answer is that you don't know. Me neither. All I > know is that I hate the idea of having to install and use some other > distro on my two x86 netbooks. Same here, still using an MSI Wind U100 Netbook with Fedora 26 and happily so. Corinna ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: End of i686 Support
2017-09-05 5:14 GMT+02:00, Ralf Corsepius : > On 09/04/2017 07:18 PM, Andras Simon wrote: >> 2017-09-04 18:36 GMT+02:00, Ralf Corsepius : >>> [...] >>> >>> Actually, I'd recommend Fedora/RH to drop all other "secondary" archs, >>> because they do not have a community user base. >> >> How do you know? > > - How many arm, s370, ppc or mips machines do you have around? >Except of the arm - which some enthusiasts/hobbists may have - >probably none. > > - How many ix86s have been sold? >Probably 100s of millions, if not billions. > > - How many ix86s are still in use? >Probably millions, most of them probably running Microsoft Windows. > > > That said, I still have 3 of these around, so far having been running > Fedora, but I am now looking for alternative distros because Fedora's > leadership apparently is not willing to cater my personal needs. > To summarize, your answer is that you don't know. Me neither. All I know is that I hate the idea of having to install and use some other distro on my two x86 netbooks. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: End of i686 Support
On 09/04/2017 07:18 PM, Andras Simon wrote: 2017-09-04 18:36 GMT+02:00, Ralf Corsepius : [...] Actually, I'd recommend Fedora/RH to drop all other "secondary" archs, because they do not have a community user base. How do you know? - How many arm, s370, ppc or mips machines do you have around? Except of the arm - which some enthusiasts/hobbists may have - probably none. - How many ix86s have been sold? Probably 100s of millions, if not billions. - How many ix86s are still in use? Probably millions, most of them probably running Microsoft Windows. That said, I still have 3 of these around, so far having been running Fedora, but I am now looking for alternative distros because Fedora's leadership apparently is not willing to cater my personal needs. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: End of i686 Support
2017-09-04 18:36 GMT+02:00, Ralf Corsepius : >[...] > > Actually, I'd recommend Fedora/RH to drop all other "secondary" archs, > because they do not have a community user base. How do you know? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: End of i686 Support
On 09/04/2017 05:20 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Sep 04, 2017 at 10:32:33AM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: I'd hope the plan is to do this much the same way as centos. Drop i686 kernels and programs, but continue to provide i686 libraries for legacy 32 bit programs which have no source code so they can continue to run. There are a lot of them out there people use (adobe reader comes to mind). a) I do not agree with this view. b) To my knowledge, Adobe reader already is broken by other packaging bugs in Fedora 26/x86_64. Unless an active maintainer community forms around the i686 kernel and boot process, yes, the above is the plan; we won't drop i686 userspace on x86_64 kernel for... a long time. ... or Red Hat to revert this plan Actually, I'd recommend Fedora/RH to drop all other "secondary" archs, because they do not have a community user base. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: End of i686 Support
On Mon, Sep 04, 2017 at 10:32:33AM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > I'd hope the plan is to do this much the same way as centos. > Drop i686 kernels and programs, but continue to provide > i686 libraries for legacy 32 bit programs which have no > source code so they can continue to run. There are a lot of them > out there people use (adobe reader comes to mind). Unless an active maintainer community forms around the i686 kernel and boot process, yes, the above is the plan; we won't drop i686 userspace on x86_64 kernel for... a long time. -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: End of i686 Support
I'd hope the plan is to do this much the same way as centos. Drop i686 kernels and programs, but continue to provide i686 libraries for legacy 32 bit programs which have no source code so they can continue to run. There are a lot of them out there people use (adobe reader comes to mind). ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: End of i686 Support
On 03/09/17 09:53, Jeff Backus wrote: Hello Fedora! As you may or may not be aware, there is an active discussion on the development side as to whether or not we continue to support the x86 architecture. There are a lot of exciting things happening within the Fedora community on top of the amazing and significant effort we put into making sure Fedora is stable, robust, and on the bleeding edge. And unfortunately, the contributors doing all of this work are a limited resource so we have to prioritize where we focus our attention. Since x86-based hardware isn't very common anymore, it is understandable that most of the development side of the community is ready to move on and focus on other things that directly impact them. However, some of us still have a desire to see Fedora continue to support this venerable architecture. Is x86 support still important to you? If so, then come join us! We need all of the help we can get. Not a developer? No problem! We still need people with hardware to help us evaluate software. For those interested, you can find more information on the x86 Architectures page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/x86 You can also find us on the x86 mailing list: x...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/x86.lists.fedoraproject.org/ We're also holding an organizational meeting on IRC in #fedora-meeting-2 on September 6th at 1900 UTC. We'd love to see you there! jeff Myself have two i686 machines running. One will be disposed of in the next month or two. The second one is great for emergencies and as a travel (where stupid spy/scan laws prevail) throw away computer. If support is dropped, the second machine will survive on the latest version that runs it until hardware is dead. My choice is to see i686 to finally end. On the other side of the coin, support for economies where used computers are being used, as the cost of new hardware is beyond the level of income for these locations. i686 is a way to provide a working computer system without the extra costs. Support for many of these machines may be necessary to provide a level of security. BUT. How many of these places are actually running Linux at all? This is a question to be asked. If the usage is small, then dropping support may be an matter of economy of development resources. Robin ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: End of i686 Support
While I myself don't have any x86 hardware, I know many people whom I've introduced to Linux that are running it on their x86 machines. SO yes, this architecture should still be supported, (at least until say...'20?...a nice round figure!) After that? I might make more sense to drop it since most of the OEM's are manufacturing x64 machines only. (Very rarely can you find old technology on a manufacturer's web site. check Dell, HP, Lenovo, Acer, etcyou'll see nothing but x64 machines)just my two cents. Also I'll be passing this link on to those who might be able to contribute. I might even find an old PC and try to help out myselfanything for the "Fedorians" that make my computing life easier and more pleasant!) Cheers! EGO II On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Jeff Backus wrote: > Hello Fedora! > > As you may or may not be aware, there is an active discussion on the > development side as to whether or not we continue to support the x86 > architecture. > > There are a lot of exciting things happening within the Fedora community > on top of the amazing and significant effort we put into making sure Fedora > is stable, robust, and on the bleeding edge. And unfortunately, the > contributors doing all of this work are a limited resource so we have to > prioritize where we focus our attention. > > Since x86-based hardware isn't very common anymore, it is understandable > that most of the development side of the community is ready to move on and > focus on other things that directly impact them. However, some of us still > have a desire to see Fedora continue to support this venerable architecture. > > Is x86 support still important to you? If so, then come join us! We need > all of the help we can get. Not a developer? No problem! We still need > people with hardware to help us evaluate software. > > For those interested, you can find more information on the x86 > Architectures page: >https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/x86 > > You can also find us on the x86 mailing list: >x...@lists.fedoraproject.org >https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/x86.lists.fedor > aproject.org/ > > We're also holding an organizational meeting on IRC in #fedora-meeting-2 > on September 6th at 1900 UTC. We'd love to see you there! > > jeff > > -- > Jeff Backus > jeff.bac...@gmail.com > http://github.com/jsbackus > http://gitlab.com/jsbackus > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
End of i686 Support
Hello Fedora! As you may or may not be aware, there is an active discussion on the development side as to whether or not we continue to support the x86 architecture. There are a lot of exciting things happening within the Fedora community on top of the amazing and significant effort we put into making sure Fedora is stable, robust, and on the bleeding edge. And unfortunately, the contributors doing all of this work are a limited resource so we have to prioritize where we focus our attention. Since x86-based hardware isn't very common anymore, it is understandable that most of the development side of the community is ready to move on and focus on other things that directly impact them. However, some of us still have a desire to see Fedora continue to support this venerable architecture. Is x86 support still important to you? If so, then come join us! We need all of the help we can get. Not a developer? No problem! We still need people with hardware to help us evaluate software. For those interested, you can find more information on the x86 Architectures page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/x86 You can also find us on the x86 mailing list: x...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/x86.lists.fedoraproject.org/ We're also holding an organizational meeting on IRC in #fedora-meeting-2 on September 6th at 1900 UTC. We'd love to see you there! jeff -- Jeff Backus jeff.bac...@gmail.com http://github.com/jsbackus http://gitlab.com/jsbackus ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
