Re: mail quoting issues (was Re: F27 : startx Xfce fails)
On Thu, 2018-04-05 at 15:20 +0930, Tim via users wrote: > There's a bunch of mail clients that stupidly extend the quote symbols > beyond the quoted text (Evolution included), and if you don't delete > them (which Evolution often refuses with HTML messages), or carriage > return even more space between quote and reply, that kind of thing > happens. Sometimes Evolution will join quoted text and replies, even > when there's clearly an empty blank line between them in the editor. Can't say I've seen that, at least not recently. I note that you aren't using the latest version of Evolution, but that may not make a difference. I usually reply by selecting the relevant part of the message (as here) before typing Ctrl-R or Ctrl-L (when applicable), but I don't think that matters particularly. In any case, if you find a reproducible use case please send it to the Evolution list. The devels are usually quite good at fixing that kind of thing. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F27 : startx Xfce fails
Allegedly, on or about 4 April 2018, Rick Stevens sent: > The final thing I'd validate is that if you have an > /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, rename or move it and let the system sort > things out without the help of that file. Also check for video setting files in: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ I forgot about that when, recently, changing a motherboard. Took me some time before I realised there was a file in there for my prior video card. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.10-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 17:14:41 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. - Mwuu haha ha h, soon the world will be mine! - Sir, you've got to take your finger off the intercom button. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F27 : startx Xfce fails
Bob Goodwin: > Yes, and Thunderbird is set to send plain text to this list, it > never seems to work, so to be sure I change it in "Options," except > when I forget. You have the list address in your address book, set to only receive plain text? Considering that you're using HTML colouring to make it easier for you to read what you're doing, I would have thought there'd be an accessibility option that simply changed your display of it, without doing the actual message that way. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.10-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 17:14:41 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. When it comes to electronics, I'm slightly biased. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
mail quoting issues (was Re: F27 : startx Xfce fails)
Allegedly, on or about 4 April 2018, Samuel Sieb sent: > Careful with the quoting. Maybe it's related to the html format of > the email, but your text appears as part of what you quoted There's a bunch of mail clients that stupidly extend the quote symbols beyond the quoted text (Evolution included), and if you don't delete them (which Evolution often refuses with HTML messages), or carriage return even more space between quote and reply, that kind of thing happens. Sometimes Evolution will join quoted text and replies, even when there's clearly an empty blank line between them in the editor. In all the years I've been messaging on the internet, Forte Agent was about the only one that could quote to my satisfaction (YAM and PINE on the Amiga coming close). It did quoted text with neatly packed >>> multi-generation quote symbols (no straggling spaces between them), could quote verbatim, could re-wrap quotes without mangling, could neatly interrupt quoted paragraphs, did line wrapping properly, managed to identify the difference between quoted text and replies without a blank line between them... Out of what I've tried on Linux, Evolution is the least worst (Thunderbird, Claws, kmail, balsa, being the ones that I can remember off the top of my head). Spread across them, awful quoting, hideous interface, terrible listing, etc. Web interface ones are two awful, and inconvenient, to bother with. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.10-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 17:14:41 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Programmers who can't take criticisms shouldn't release software that invites it. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F27 : startx Xfce fails
On 04/04/18 20:30, Samuel Sieb wrote: Careful with the quoting. Maybe it's related to the html format of the email, but your text appears as part of what you quoted. That makes for a very confusing email. :-) (You're not the only one. I've seen others do it in different ways as well.) _ Yes, and Thunderbird is set to send plain text to this list, it never seems to work, so to be sure I change it in "Options," except when I forget. My apologies ... -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box10 FEDORA-27/64bit LINUX XFCE Fastmail POP3 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F27 : startx Xfce fails
On 04/04/18 20:30, Samuel Sieb wrote: Careful with the quoting. Maybe it's related to the html format of the email, but your text appears as part of what you quoted. That makes for a very confusing email. :-) (You're not the only one. I've seen others do it in different ways as well.) _ Yes, and Thunderbird is set to send plain text to this list, it never seems to work, so to be sure I change it in "Options," except when I forget. My apologies ... -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box10 FEDORA-27/64bit LINUX XFCE Fastmail POP3 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F27 : startx Xfce fails
On 04/04/2018 03:09 PM, sean darcy wrote: New install of F27, with Xfce. startx fails without an error on the console. The recommended command to start Xfce is startxfce4. Have you tried that? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F27 : startx Xfce fails
On 04/04/2018 03:09 PM, sean darcy wrote: > New install of F27, with Xfce. startx fails without an error on the > console. Xorg.0.log has: > > > > [ 2930.626] (II) modesetting: Driver for Modesetting Kernel Drivers: kms > [ 2930.626] (II) FBDEV: driver for framebuffer: fbdev > [ 2930.626] (II) VESA: driver for VESA chipsets: vesa > [ 2930.626] xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation > not permitted) > [ 2930.626] (II) [KMS] Kernel modesetting enabled. > [ 2930.626] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for modesetting > [ 2930.626] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fbdev > [ 2930.626] (II) Loading sub module "fbdevhw" > [ 2930.626] (II) LoadModule: "fbdevhw" > [ 2930.626] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/libfbdevhw.so > [ 2930.626] (II) Module fbdevhw: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > [ 2930.626] compiled for 1.19.6, module version = 0.0.2 > [ 2930.626] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 23.0 > [ 2930.626] (EE) open /dev/fb0: Permission denied > [ 2930.626] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa > [ 2930.626] (WW) VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no multi-card > support > [ 2930.626] (II) RADEON(0): Creating default Display subsection in > Screen section > ... > > No other errors or warnings. Are you starting it as root or as your mortal self (unprivileged)? Try it as your mortal self and not root. It should work either way, but try it anyway. The "permission denied" error on /dev/fb0 is odd. You should check the permissions of /dev/fb0. It should be a character device, major 29, minor 0, owner "root", group "video" with permissions of "660" (rw-rw): [root@golem4 bin]# ls -l /dev/fb0 crw-rw. 1 root video 29, 0 Apr 2 09:43 /dev/fb0 I believe it's created at boot time (at least mine all seem to have the timestamp of the last machine boot). It also appears that you're using a Radeon (AMD) card. I don't have a lot of experience with them (mostly nVidia and Intel here), so perhaps you don't have the driver installed? Someone smarter than I would need to address that. The final thing I'd validate is that if you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, rename or move it and let the system sort things out without the help of that file. > Xorg kept going finishing the display section and loading the mouse etc. > and just terminates: > > > [ 2930.990] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "SynPS/2 > Synaptics TouchPad" (type: TOUCHPAD, id 11) > [ 2930.991] (**) Option "AccelerationScheme" "none" > [ 2930.991] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) selected scheme > none/0 > [ 2930.991] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration > factor: 2.000 > [ 2930.991] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration > threshold: 4 > [ 2930.992] (II) event4 - SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: is tagged by > udev as: Touchpad > [ 2930.992] (II) event4 - SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: device is a > touchpad > [ 2930.993] (II) config/udev: Adding input device SynPS/2 Synaptics > TouchPad (/dev/input/mouse0) > [ 2930.993] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device. > [ 2930.993] (II) This device may have been added with another device file. > [ 2930.997] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Toshiba WMI hotkeys > (/dev/input/event7) > [ 2930.997] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device. > [ 2930.997] (II) This device may have been added with another device file. > [ 2931.474] (**) Option "fd" "24" > [ 2931.474] (II) event2 - Power Button: device removed > [ 2931.474] (**) Option "fd" "27" > [ 2931.474] (II) event5 - Video Bus: device removed > [ 2931.475] (**) Option "fd" "28" > [ 2931.475] (II) event1 - Power Button: device removed > [ 2931.475] (**) Option "fd" "29" > [ 2931.475] (II) event6 - TOSHIBA Web Camera - MP: TOSHIB: device removed > [ 2931.475] (**) Option "fd" "30" > [ 2931.475] (II) event3 - AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: device removed > [ 2931.475] (**) Option "fd" "31" > [ 2931.475] (II) event4 - SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: device removed > [ 2931.478] (II) UnloadModule: "libinput" > [ 2931.478] (II) systemd-logind: releasing fd for 13:68 > [ 2931.495] (II) UnloadModule: "libinput" > [ 2931.495] (II) systemd-logind: releasing fd for 13:67 > [ 2931.502] (II) UnloadModule: "libinput" > [ 2931.502] (II) systemd-logind: releasing fd for 13:70 > [ 2931.517] (II) UnloadModule: "libinput" > [ 2931.517] (II) systemd-logind: releasing fd for 13:65 > [ 2931.529] (II) UnloadModule: "libinput" > [ 2931.529] (II) systemd-logind: releasing fd for 13:69 > [ 2931.550] (II) UnloadModule: "libinput" > [ 2931.550] (II) systemd-logind: releasing fd for 13:66 > [ 2931.589] (II) Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file. Yeah, that's likely. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo:
Re: F27 : startx Xfce fails
On 04/04/2018 04:15 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote: On 04/04/18 18:09, sean darcy wrote: New install of F27, with Xfce. startx fails without an error on the console. Xorg.0.log has: I have always had to use startxfce4 ... Careful with the quoting. Maybe it's related to the html format of the email, but your text appears as part of what you quoted. That makes for a very confusing email. :-) (You're not the only one. I've seen others do it in different ways as well.) ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F27 : startx Xfce fails
On 04/04/18 18:09, sean darcy wrote: New install of F27, with Xfce. startx fails without an error on the console. Xorg.0.log has: I have always had to use startxfce4 ... -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box10 FEDORA-27/64bit LINUX XFCE Fastmail POP3 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
F27 : startx Xfce fails
New install of F27, with Xfce. startx fails without an error on the console. Xorg.0.log has: [ 2930.626] (II) modesetting: Driver for Modesetting Kernel Drivers: kms [ 2930.626] (II) FBDEV: driver for framebuffer: fbdev [ 2930.626] (II) VESA: driver for VESA chipsets: vesa [ 2930.626] xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted) [ 2930.626] (II) [KMS] Kernel modesetting enabled. [ 2930.626] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for modesetting [ 2930.626] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fbdev [ 2930.626] (II) Loading sub module "fbdevhw" [ 2930.626] (II) LoadModule: "fbdevhw" [ 2930.626] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/libfbdevhw.so [ 2930.626] (II) Module fbdevhw: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 2930.626]compiled for 1.19.6, module version = 0.0.2 [ 2930.626]ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 23.0 [ 2930.626] (EE) open /dev/fb0: Permission denied [ 2930.626] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa [ 2930.626] (WW) VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no multi-card support [ 2930.626] (II) RADEON(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section ... No other errors or warnings. Xorg kept going finishing the display section and loading the mouse etc. and just terminates: [ 2930.990] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" (type: TOUCHPAD, id 11) [ 2930.991] (**) Option "AccelerationScheme" "none" [ 2930.991] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) selected scheme none/0 [ 2930.991] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000 [ 2930.991] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4 [ 2930.992] (II) event4 - SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: is tagged by udev as: Touchpad [ 2930.992] (II) event4 - SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: device is a touchpad [ 2930.993] (II) config/udev: Adding input device SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad (/dev/input/mouse0) [ 2930.993] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device. [ 2930.993] (II) This device may have been added with another device file. [ 2930.997] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Toshiba WMI hotkeys (/dev/input/event7) [ 2930.997] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device. [ 2930.997] (II) This device may have been added with another device file. [ 2931.474] (**) Option "fd" "24" [ 2931.474] (II) event2 - Power Button: device removed [ 2931.474] (**) Option "fd" "27" [ 2931.474] (II) event5 - Video Bus: device removed [ 2931.475] (**) Option "fd" "28" [ 2931.475] (II) event1 - Power Button: device removed [ 2931.475] (**) Option "fd" "29" [ 2931.475] (II) event6 - TOSHIBA Web Camera - MP: TOSHIB: device removed [ 2931.475] (**) Option "fd" "30" [ 2931.475] (II) event3 - AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: device removed [ 2931.475] (**) Option "fd" "31" [ 2931.475] (II) event4 - SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: device removed [ 2931.478] (II) UnloadModule: "libinput" [ 2931.478] (II) systemd-logind: releasing fd for 13:68 [ 2931.495] (II) UnloadModule: "libinput" [ 2931.495] (II) systemd-logind: releasing fd for 13:67 [ 2931.502] (II) UnloadModule: "libinput" [ 2931.502] (II) systemd-logind: releasing fd for 13:70 [ 2931.517] (II) UnloadModule: "libinput" [ 2931.517] (II) systemd-logind: releasing fd for 13:65 [ 2931.529] (II) UnloadModule: "libinput" [ 2931.529] (II) systemd-logind: releasing fd for 13:69 [ 2931.550] (II) UnloadModule: "libinput" [ 2931.550] (II) systemd-logind: releasing fd for 13:66 [ 2931.589] (II) Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
