Re: Fedora 25 - Terminal - Utilities - Why is it hidden away?

[Michael Schwendt]

On Thu, 8 Dec 2016 13:49:29 +1000, Dan Irwin wrote:

> That's the problem - just who do these developers cater for?

Remember, anyone could offer a different spin that does an installation
with different defaults.
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Re: Fedora 25 - Terminal - Utilities - Why is it hidden away?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 12/07/2016 06:00 PM, Dan Irwin wrote:

Playing with Fedora 25. I'm shocked to see the terminal is still hidden
away in the utilities group.

I'm guessing you must be using the Gnome classic layout if you have a 
utilities group somewhere.  But in that case, it's still easily 
available.  I do have the terminal in my favourites, but I almost never 
click it because it's easier to hit the logo button and type 
"terthat hidden anyway?  It is a utility and if you really want it as a 
favourite, it's easy to put it there.



I'm pretty sure near 100% of users add Terminal to the favorites
immediately after install.

Unlikely.  There are a lot of non-technical users of Fedora.  At a 
school I support, I have done well over a hundred Fedora installs for 
teachers and students and only 1 teacher and a few students would have 
any idea what to do with the terminal.  I've also installed it for 
family and friends and maybe 1 of those would be able to make any use of 
the terminal.



Surely the #1 use case of Fedora on the desktop IS the terminal?

I don't read email in the terminal, I don't access web sites in the 
terminal, I don't IRC in the terminal, etc.  But I do have over 20 
terminal tabs open.

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Re: Fedora 25 - Terminal - Utilities - Why is it hidden away?

[Doug]

On 12/07/2016 09:49 PM, Dan Irwin wrote:

That's the problem - just who do these developers cater for?

Answer: The mythical beast of the newbie converting from Windows or OS 
X. They aren't coming in droves, especially not to Fedora.


No love for the actual user base - skilled/technical users doing 
development or administration tasks.


I will stop now and go back to wrangling F25.

Cheers


I haven't been following the thread, and I haven't used Fedora in a 
while, but I (like many others) was once a Linux newbie, and one of the 
first Linux
distros I used was RedHat, so I've been there. That was about 13 years 
ago or thereabouts. I'm a retired RF engineer, not a computer whiz, altho
I did do some simple coding in BASIC and Pascal a long time ago. But I 
am certainly not doing development or admin on Linux--I'm just using the
OS for general computing purposes--word processing, news downloads, 
Google maps, numerical conversions (Convertall), general information 
(Google),
photo download and manipulation, DXMap, and the occasional relatively 
simple drafting operation (DraftSight). I have _almost_ forsaken 
Windows; I only
use it for audio recording and OCR, since in my opinion Linux isn't 
there yet.


--doug



On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 12:23 PM, jd1008 > wrote:




On 12/07/2016 07:00 PM, Dan Irwin wrote:

Hi all,

Playing with Fedora 25. I'm shocked to see the terminal is
still hidden away in the utilities group.

I'm pretty sure near 100% of users add Terminal to the
favorites immediately after install.

Surely the #1 use case of Fedora on the desktop IS the terminal?

Cheers,

D

:) :)
Perhaps Fedora and other Nuxes are trying hard to be Windows ?:) :)
Now that MS is a member of OSF, and on the board, perhaps Windows
and Linux will merge into a single OS - like ... WinLin, or
LinWin, Winux ?
Argh!!! No mater how you name it, it sounds terrible!

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Re: Fedora 25 - Terminal - Utilities - Why is it hidden away?

[Dan Irwin]

That's the problem - just who do these developers cater for?

Answer: The mythical beast of the newbie converting from Windows or OS X.
They aren't coming in droves, especially not to Fedora.

No love for the actual user base - skilled/technical users doing
development or administration tasks.

I will stop now and go back to wrangling F25.

Cheers




On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 12:23 PM, jd1008  wrote:

>
>
> On 12/07/2016 07:00 PM, Dan Irwin wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Playing with Fedora 25. I'm shocked to see the terminal is still hidden
>> away in the utilities group.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure near 100% of users add Terminal to the favorites
>> immediately after install.
>>
>> Surely the #1 use case of Fedora on the desktop IS the terminal?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> D
>>
>> :) :)
> Perhaps Fedora and other Nuxes are trying hard to be Windows ?:) :)
> Now that MS is a member of OSF, and on the board, perhaps Windows
> and Linux will merge into a single OS - like ... WinLin, or LinWin, Winux ?
> Argh!!! No mater how you name it, it sounds terrible!
>
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Re: Fedora 25 - Terminal - Utilities - Why is it hidden away?

[jd1008]

On 12/07/2016 07:00 PM, Dan Irwin wrote:

Hi all,

Playing with Fedora 25. I'm shocked to see the terminal is still 
hidden away in the utilities group.


I'm pretty sure near 100% of users add Terminal to the favorites 
immediately after install.


Surely the #1 use case of Fedora on the desktop IS the terminal?

Cheers,

D


:) :)
Perhaps Fedora and other Nuxes are trying hard to be Windows ?:) :)
Now that MS is a member of OSF, and on the board, perhaps Windows
and Linux will merge into a single OS - like ... WinLin, or LinWin, Winux ?
Argh!!! No mater how you name it, it sounds terrible!
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Re: Fedora 25 - Terminal - Utilities - Why is it hidden away?

[Joe Zeff]

On 12/07/2016 06:00 PM, Dan Irwin wrote:

Playing with Fedora 25. I'm shocked to see the terminal is still hidden
away in the utilities group.


I presume that you're using Gnome.  Remember, Fedora != Gnome, just as 
Linux != Ubuntu.  In Xfce, not only does it have a launcher on my panel, 
it's available from the main menu two different ways.  And, I can also 
get to that menu just by right-clicking on my desktop.  My understanding 
is that it's hard to reach in Gnome because the Gnome devs don't think 
that the average user needs to use it on a day-to-day basis, and they're 
right.  As an example, my sister uses Xubuntu, and the only time she 
needs a terminal is for troubleshooting, maybe two or three times a year.

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Fedora 25 - Terminal - Utilities - Why is it hidden away?

[Dan Irwin]

Hi all,

Playing with Fedora 25. I'm shocked to see the terminal is still hidden
away in the utilities group.

I'm pretty sure near 100% of users add Terminal to the favorites
immediately after install.

Surely the #1 use case of Fedora on the desktop IS the terminal?

Cheers,

D
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