Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[Tim via users]

On Mon, 2020-05-11 at 08:28 -0300, George N. White III wrote:
> At my work, mail was being used for cron, at, logwatch, and 
> ad-hoc workflows when policies changed (mail should be 
> generated or read by non-humans).

I actually liked logwatch.  I got a summary of how things were going
along in my daily mail.  Sometimes it'd prompt me to have a look at
things that would have been overlooked, otherwise.

I'm not in a habit of perusing other logs.  It tends to be that the
only time I look at a log is when I'm solving a particular problem.  If
nothing seems to be going wrong at any time, it'd easily not be picked
up.
 
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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[George N. White III]

On Sun, 10 May 2020 at 14:07, Geoffrey Leach  wrote:

> On Sun, 10 May 2020 12:20:44 -0400
> Jonathan Billings  wrote:
>
> > On May 10, 2020, at 11:54, George N. White III 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > >> On Sun, 10 May 2020 at 12:00, Jonathan Billings
> > >>  wrote:
> > >
> > >> On May 10, 2020, at 08:47, George N. White III 
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > Linux development today is mostly funded by big businesses and
> > >> > governments. Large enterprises have tight controls over email
> > >> > for security, legal, and business continuity reasons.  Those
> > >> > controls could break down if MTA's are installed by default
> > >> > without explicit action by administrators.One consequence is
> > >> > a move away from using email for status reports (cron, logwatch)
> > >> > towards job management tools that provide resource management
> > >> > and scheduling as well as logging and status reporting.
> > >> >
> > >> > Maybe Fedora will need small business and hobbyist spins.
> > >>
> > >> I think it’s more likely that email is one of the biggest vectors
> > >> of spam and malware and it’s unmaintained MTAs that end up being
> > >> used to generate a lot of bogus email. On top of that, a lot of
> > >> ISPs are blocking outbound port 25 so MTAs in a default
> > >> configuration can’t deliver mail off the host anymore anyway.
> > >
> > > Those issues have been around for many years.  The removal of MTA's
> > > from linux distros is relatively recent, and came after
> > > climate-gate and DNC email fiascos raised the profile of email at
> > > high levels of enterprise management.
> >
> > I suspect you might be over-politicizing this issue. The Fedora
> > discussion:
> >
> >
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSendmail#Detailed_Description
> >
> > It’s worth noting that they reference Ubuntu’s decision from 2007. If
> > anything, Fedora’s decision is well past due.
>

Apple has been providing postfix up to and including Catalina (there are,
however, reports of problems on Catalina).   Distro decisions reflect the
user base.   In my experience, the Ubuntu user community is dominated
by people who previously used MS Windows and have no expectation of
local email.


> >
> > Local mail delivery isn’t really a common configuration anymore, so
> > it makes sense to slim down the default install and leave installing
> > an MTA to people who are willing to properly configure the MTA to
> > forward messages to a proper mail drop.
> >
> > LSB requires a sendmail binary, but I think in this case LSB that’s
> > out of date with modern usage.
>

Agree.


> >
> > --
> > Jonathan Billings
> >
>
> Local mail delivery may not be common, but it is something that
> needs to be done. If not sendmail, then what?
>

Stop creating messages with programs.

At my work, mail was being used for cron, at, logwatch, and
ad-hoc workflows when policies changed (mail should be
generated or read by non-humans).  At the same time, new
problems associated with managing resources on multi-core
workstations were cropping up.   W

As a point in case, and probably a side effect of social distancing,
forums for EAS and NASA remote sensing data users have had
an increase in requests for help with "out of memory" problems
for workflows they have been using regularly.  This may be due
to users trying to run jobs on laptops at home instead of the
heavily configured workstations in their lab, but it indicates the
value of a job submission tool that can apply resource constraints.

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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[Tim via users]

On Sun, 2020-05-10 at 13:05 -0400, Mark C. Allman wrote:
> Not having sendmail by default is fine, so long as it's available.

+1

I don't see a problem if it's easy enough to add if *you* want it.

For a large number of casual users, they're not going to look at any
logging features.  No looking at root mail, no looking at /var/log,
etc.

For what it's worth, I'd always wanted to see the removal of CUPS as a
required service.  Not everybody has a printer, and it's not practical
on some hardware (e.g. those Raspberry Pi things), nor wanted on some
dedicated servers (e.g. a standalone webserver).

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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[John M. Harris Jr]

On Sunday, May 10, 2020 5:45:43 AM MST George N. White III wrote:
> On Sat, 9 May 2020 at 19:11, John M. Harris Jr  wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 9, 2020 2:02:11 PM MST Geoffrey Leach wrote:
> > > I noticed that sendmail and mailx are not installed with the basic
> > > workstation. Is there another MTA installed?
> > 
> > I hope this is fixed in future Fedora.. This is just silly, though
> > definitely
> > in line with many of the other changes that have been made to Fedora
> > recently.
> 
> Linux development today is mostly funded by big businesses and
> governments.
> Large enterprises have tight controls over email for security, legal, and
> business
> continuity reasons.  Those controls could break down if MTA's are installed
> by
> default without explicit action by administrators.One consequence is a
> move
> away from using email for status reports (cron, logwatch) towards job
> management
> tools that provide resource management and scheduling as well as logging
> and
> status reporting.
> 
> Maybe Fedora will need small business and hobbyist spins.

Hi,
A default MTA doesn't actually deliver anything externally. It just provides 
local delivery. If this is met by some other function in Fedora, it's fine not 
to have it, but it otherwise breaks the traditional model, as you can no 
longer deliver local mail to local users.

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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 5/10/20 1:48 PM, Fred Smith wrote:

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 01:25:38PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:


On 5/10/20 1:05 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote:

On Sun, 10 May 2020 12:20:44 -0400
Jonathan Billings  wrote:


On May 10, 2020, at 11:54, George N. White III 
wrote:



On Sun, 10 May 2020 at 12:00, Jonathan Billings
 wrote:
On May 10, 2020, at 08:47, George N. White III 
wrote:

Linux development today is mostly funded by big businesses and
governments. Large enterprises have tight controls over email
for security, legal, and business continuity reasons.  Those
controls could break down if MTA's are installed by default
without explicit action by administrators.One consequence is
a move away from using email for status reports (cron, logwatch)
towards job management tools that provide resource management
and scheduling as well as logging and status reporting.

Maybe Fedora will need small business and hobbyist spins.

I think it’s more likely that email is one of the biggest vectors
of spam and malware and it’s unmaintained MTAs that end up being
used to generate a lot of bogus email. On top of that, a lot of
ISPs are blocking outbound port 25 so MTAs in a default
configuration can’t deliver mail off the host anymore anyway.

Those issues have been around for many years.  The removal of MTA's

>from linux distros is relatively recent, and came after

climate-gate and DNC email fiascos raised the profile of email at
high levels of enterprise management.

I suspect you might be over-politicizing this issue. The Fedora
discussion:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSendmail#Detailed_Description

It’s worth noting that they reference Ubuntu’s decision from 2007. If
anything, Fedora’s decision is well past due.

Local mail delivery isn’t really a common configuration anymore, so
it makes sense to slim down the default install and leave installing
an MTA to people who are willing to properly configure the MTA to
forward messages to a proper mail drop.

LSB requires a sendmail binary, but I think in this case LSB that’s
out of date with modern usage.

--
Jonathan Billings


Local mail delivery may not be common, but it is something that
needs to be done. If not sendmail, then what?

This is what I am dealing with for CRON and working on writing a
script that does the local delivery.

It would be 'nice' to have some general purpose script that does
local delivery to replace /.../sendmail when no MTA is installed...

How about "procmail" ??

How would you use procmail in this situation.  Nothing sending mail, 
procmail just taking a file as input, adding whatever headers are still 
needed and putting it in mbox.


I have tried googling this and not yet found how.

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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[Fred Smith]

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 01:25:38PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> 
> 
> On 5/10/20 1:05 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote:
> >On Sun, 10 May 2020 12:20:44 -0400
> >Jonathan Billings  wrote:
> >
> >>On May 10, 2020, at 11:54, George N. White III 
> >>wrote:
> >>>
> On Sun, 10 May 2020 at 12:00, Jonathan Billings
>  wrote:
> On May 10, 2020, at 08:47, George N. White III 
> wrote:
> >Linux development today is mostly funded by big businesses and
> >governments. Large enterprises have tight controls over email
> >for security, legal, and business continuity reasons.  Those
> >controls could break down if MTA's are installed by default
> >without explicit action by administrators.One consequence is
> >a move away from using email for status reports (cron, logwatch)
> >towards job management tools that provide resource management
> >and scheduling as well as logging and status reporting.
> >
> >Maybe Fedora will need small business and hobbyist spins.
> I think it’s more likely that email is one of the biggest vectors
> of spam and malware and it’s unmaintained MTAs that end up being
> used to generate a lot of bogus email. On top of that, a lot of
> ISPs are blocking outbound port 25 so MTAs in a default
> configuration can’t deliver mail off the host anymore anyway.
> >>>Those issues have been around for many years.  The removal of MTA's
> >>>from linux distros is relatively recent, and came after
> >>>climate-gate and DNC email fiascos raised the profile of email at
> >>>high levels of enterprise management.
> >>I suspect you might be over-politicizing this issue. The Fedora
> >>discussion:
> >>
> >>https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSendmail#Detailed_Description
> >>
> >>It’s worth noting that they reference Ubuntu’s decision from 2007. If
> >>anything, Fedora’s decision is well past due.
> >>
> >>Local mail delivery isn’t really a common configuration anymore, so
> >>it makes sense to slim down the default install and leave installing
> >>an MTA to people who are willing to properly configure the MTA to
> >>forward messages to a proper mail drop.
> >>
> >>LSB requires a sendmail binary, but I think in this case LSB that’s
> >>out of date with modern usage.
> >>
> >>--
> >>Jonathan Billings
> >>
> >Local mail delivery may not be common, but it is something that
> >needs to be done. If not sendmail, then what?
> 
> This is what I am dealing with for CRON and working on writing a
> script that does the local delivery.
> 
> It would be 'nice' to have some general purpose script that does
> local delivery to replace /.../sendmail when no MTA is installed...

How about "procmail" ??

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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 5/10/20 1:05 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote:

On Sun, 10 May 2020 12:20:44 -0400
Jonathan Billings  wrote:


On May 10, 2020, at 11:54, George N. White III 
wrote:



On Sun, 10 May 2020 at 12:00, Jonathan Billings
 wrote:
   

On May 10, 2020, at 08:47, George N. White III 
wrote:

Linux development today is mostly funded by big businesses and
governments. Large enterprises have tight controls over email
for security, legal, and business continuity reasons.  Those
controls could break down if MTA's are installed by default
without explicit action by administrators.One consequence is
a move away from using email for status reports (cron, logwatch)
towards job management tools that provide resource management
and scheduling as well as logging and status reporting.

Maybe Fedora will need small business and hobbyist spins.

I think it’s more likely that email is one of the biggest vectors
of spam and malware and it’s unmaintained MTAs that end up being
used to generate a lot of bogus email. On top of that, a lot of
ISPs are blocking outbound port 25 so MTAs in a default
configuration can’t deliver mail off the host anymore anyway.
  
Those issues have been around for many years.  The removal of MTA's

from linux distros is relatively recent, and came after
climate-gate and DNC email fiascos raised the profile of email at
high levels of enterprise management.

I suspect you might be over-politicizing this issue. The Fedora
discussion:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSendmail#Detailed_Description

It’s worth noting that they reference Ubuntu’s decision from 2007. If
anything, Fedora’s decision is well past due.

Local mail delivery isn’t really a common configuration anymore, so
it makes sense to slim down the default install and leave installing
an MTA to people who are willing to properly configure the MTA to
forward messages to a proper mail drop.

LSB requires a sendmail binary, but I think in this case LSB that’s
out of date with modern usage.

--
Jonathan Billings


Local mail delivery may not be common, but it is something that
needs to be done. If not sendmail, then what?


This is what I am dealing with for CRON and working on writing a script 
that does the local delivery.


It would be 'nice' to have some general purpose script that does local 
delivery to replace /.../sendmail when no MTA is installed...


My script failed on an SELINUX policy last night for LOGWATCH.  I have 
applied the recommended policy and will see what happens.  I kind of 
thought that the daily cron that runs logwatch runs as root and so it 
would just create the /var/spool/mail/root (that does not yet exist), 
but something failed, blocking mycron...


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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[Geoffrey Leach]

On Sun, 10 May 2020 12:20:44 -0400
Jonathan Billings  wrote:

> On May 10, 2020, at 11:54, George N. White III 
> wrote:
> > 
> >   
> >> On Sun, 10 May 2020 at 12:00, Jonathan Billings
> >>  wrote:  
> >   
> >> On May 10, 2020, at 08:47, George N. White III 
> >> wrote:  
> >> > Linux development today is mostly funded by big businesses and
> >> > governments. Large enterprises have tight controls over email
> >> > for security, legal, and business continuity reasons.  Those
> >> > controls could break down if MTA's are installed by default
> >> > without explicit action by administrators.One consequence is
> >> > a move away from using email for status reports (cron, logwatch)
> >> > towards job management tools that provide resource management
> >> > and scheduling as well as logging and status reporting.
> >> > 
> >> > Maybe Fedora will need small business and hobbyist spins.  
> >> 
> >> I think it’s more likely that email is one of the biggest vectors
> >> of spam and malware and it’s unmaintained MTAs that end up being
> >> used to generate a lot of bogus email. On top of that, a lot of
> >> ISPs are blocking outbound port 25 so MTAs in a default
> >> configuration can’t deliver mail off the host anymore anyway.  
> >  
> > Those issues have been around for many years.  The removal of MTA's
> > from linux distros is relatively recent, and came after
> > climate-gate and DNC email fiascos raised the profile of email at
> > high levels of enterprise management. 
> 
> I suspect you might be over-politicizing this issue. The Fedora
> discussion:
> 
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSendmail#Detailed_Description
> 
> It’s worth noting that they reference Ubuntu’s decision from 2007. If
> anything, Fedora’s decision is well past due. 
> 
> Local mail delivery isn’t really a common configuration anymore, so
> it makes sense to slim down the default install and leave installing
> an MTA to people who are willing to properly configure the MTA to
> forward messages to a proper mail drop. 
> 
> LSB requires a sendmail binary, but I think in this case LSB that’s
> out of date with modern usage. 
> 
> --
> Jonathan Billings
> 

Local mail delivery may not be common, but it is something that
needs to be done. If not sendmail, then what?
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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[Mark C. Allman]

On 5/10/20 12:20 PM, Jonathan Billings wrote:

On May 10, 2020, at 11:54, George N. White III  wrote:



On Sun, 10 May 2020 at 12:00, Jonathan Billings > wrote:


On May 10, 2020, at 08:47, George N. White III mailto:gnw...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Linux development today is mostly funded by big businesses and
governments.
> Large enterprises have tight controls over email for security,
legal, and business
> continuity reasons.  Those controls could break down if MTA's
are installed by
> default without explicit action by administrators.   One
consequence is a move
> away from using email for status reports (cron, logwatch)
towards job management
> tools that provide resource management and scheduling as well
as logging and
> status reporting.
>
> Maybe Fedora will need small business and hobbyist spins.

I think it’s more likely that email is one of the biggest vectors
of spam and malware and it’s unmaintained MTAs that end up being
used to generate a lot of bogus email. On top of that, a lot of
ISPs are blocking outbound port 25 so MTAs in a default
configuration can’t deliver mail off the host anymore anyway.

Those issues have been around for many years.  The removal of MTA's 
from linux distros is relatively recent, and came 
after climate-gate and DNC email fiascos raised the profile of email 
at high levels of enterprise management.


I suspect you might be over-politicizing this issue. The Fedora 
discussion:


https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSendmail#Detailed_Description

It’s worth noting that they reference Ubuntu’s decision from 2007. If 
anything, Fedora’s decision is well past due.


Local mail delivery isn’t really a common configuration anymore, so it 
makes sense to slim down the default install and leave installing an 
MTA to people who are willing to properly configure the MTA to forward 
messages to a proper mail drop.


LSB requires a sendmail binary, but I think in this case LSB that’s 
out of date with modern usage.


--
Jonathan Billings

Not having sendmail by default is fine, so long as it's available. I can 
take it from there for my six systems.


*Mark C. Allman, PMP, CSM*
Founder, See How You Ski, www.seehowyouski.com 
Sr. Project Manager, Allman Professional Consulting, Inc., 
www.allmanpc.com 

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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[Geoffrey Leach]

On Sun, 10 May 2020 12:53:12 -0300
"George N. White III"  wrote:

> On Sun, 10 May 2020 at 12:00, Jonathan Billings 
> wrote:
> 
> > On May 10, 2020, at 08:47, George N. White III 
> > wrote:  
> > > Linux development today is mostly funded by big businesses and  
> > governments.  
> > > Large enterprises have tight controls over email for security,
> > > legal,  
> > and business  
> > > continuity reasons.  Those controls could break down if MTA's are
> > >  
> > installed by  
> > > default without explicit action by administrators.One
> > > consequence is  
> > a move  
> > > away from using email for status reports (cron, logwatch) towards
> > > job  
> > management  
> > > tools that provide resource management and scheduling as well as
> > > logging  
> > and  
> > > status reporting.
> > >
> > > Maybe Fedora will need small business and hobbyist spins.  
> >
> > I think it’s more likely that email is one of the biggest vectors
> > of spam and malware and it’s unmaintained MTAs that end up being
> > used to generate a lot of bogus email. On top of that, a lot of
> > ISPs are blocking outbound port 25 so MTAs in a default
> > configuration can’t deliver mail off the host anymore anyway.  
> 
> 
> Those issues have been around for many years.  The removal of MTA's
> from linux distros is relatively recent, and came after climate-gate
> and DNC email fiascos raised the profile of email at high levels of
> enterprise management.
> 

Fedora disto organization should not be guided by the shortcomings of
server managers, let alone managers of Windows-based servers. 
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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[Jonathan Billings]

On May 10, 2020, at 11:54, George N. White III  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Sun, 10 May 2020 at 12:00, Jonathan Billings  wrote:
> 
>> On May 10, 2020, at 08:47, George N. White III  wrote:
>> > Linux development today is mostly funded by big businesses and 
>> > governments.  
>> > Large enterprises have tight controls over email for security, legal, and 
>> > business
>> > continuity reasons.  Those controls could break down if MTA's are 
>> > installed by 
>> > default without explicit action by administrators.One consequence is a 
>> > move
>> > away from using email for status reports (cron, logwatch) towards job 
>> > management
>> > tools that provide resource management and scheduling as well as logging 
>> > and 
>> > status reporting.
>> > 
>> > Maybe Fedora will need small business and hobbyist spins.
>> 
>> I think it’s more likely that email is one of the biggest vectors of spam 
>> and malware and it’s unmaintained MTAs that end up being used to generate a 
>> lot of bogus email. On top of that, a lot of ISPs are blocking outbound port 
>> 25 so MTAs in a default configuration can’t deliver mail off the host 
>> anymore anyway.
>  
> Those issues have been around for many years.  The removal of MTA's from 
> linux distros is relatively recent, and came after climate-gate and DNC email 
> fiascos raised the profile of email at high levels of enterprise management.  
>  

I suspect you might be over-politicizing this issue. The Fedora discussion:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSendmail#Detailed_Description

It’s worth noting that they reference Ubuntu’s decision from 2007. If anything, 
Fedora’s decision is well past due. 

Local mail delivery isn’t really a common configuration anymore, so it makes 
sense to slim down the default install and leave installing an MTA to people 
who are willing to properly configure the MTA to forward messages to a proper 
mail drop. 

LSB requires a sendmail binary, but I think in this case LSB that’s out of date 
with modern usage. 

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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[George N. White III]

On Sun, 10 May 2020 at 12:00, Jonathan Billings  wrote:

> On May 10, 2020, at 08:47, George N. White III  wrote:
> > Linux development today is mostly funded by big businesses and
> governments.
> > Large enterprises have tight controls over email for security, legal,
> and business
> > continuity reasons.  Those controls could break down if MTA's are
> installed by
> > default without explicit action by administrators.One consequence is
> a move
> > away from using email for status reports (cron, logwatch) towards job
> management
> > tools that provide resource management and scheduling as well as logging
> and
> > status reporting.
> >
> > Maybe Fedora will need small business and hobbyist spins.
>
> I think it’s more likely that email is one of the biggest vectors of spam
> and malware and it’s unmaintained MTAs that end up being used to generate a
> lot of bogus email. On top of that, a lot of ISPs are blocking outbound
> port 25 so MTAs in a default configuration can’t deliver mail off the host
> anymore anyway.


Those issues have been around for many years.  The removal of MTA's from
linux distros is relatively recent, and came after climate-gate and DNC
email fiascos raised the profile of email at high levels of enterprise
management.

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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[Jonathan Billings]

On May 10, 2020, at 08:47, George N. White III  wrote:
> Linux development today is mostly funded by big businesses and governments.  
> Large enterprises have tight controls over email for security, legal, and 
> business
> continuity reasons.  Those controls could break down if MTA's are installed 
> by 
> default without explicit action by administrators.One consequence is a 
> move
> away from using email for status reports (cron, logwatch) towards job 
> management
> tools that provide resource management and scheduling as well as logging and 
> status reporting.
> 
> Maybe Fedora will need small business and hobbyist spins.

I think it’s more likely that email is one of the biggest vectors of spam and 
malware and it’s unmaintained MTAs that end up being used to generate a lot of 
bogus email. On top of that, a lot of ISPs are blocking outbound port 25 so 
MTAs in a default configuration can’t deliver mail off the host anymore anyway. 

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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[George N. White III]

On Sat, 9 May 2020 at 19:11, John M. Harris Jr  wrote:

> On Saturday, May 9, 2020 2:02:11 PM MST Geoffrey Leach wrote:
> > I noticed that sendmail and mailx are not installed with the basic
> > workstation. Is there another MTA installed?
>
> I hope this is fixed in future Fedora.. This is just silly, though
> definitely
> in line with many of the other changes that have been made to Fedora
> recently.
>

Linux development today is mostly funded by big businesses and
governments.
Large enterprises have tight controls over email for security, legal, and
business
continuity reasons.  Those controls could break down if MTA's are installed
by
default without explicit action by administrators.One consequence is a
move
away from using email for status reports (cron, logwatch) towards job
management
tools that provide resource management and scheduling as well as logging
and
status reporting.

Maybe Fedora will need small business and hobbyist spins.

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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-05-10 10:57, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
>
> On 5/9/20 6:11 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote:
>> On Saturday, May 9, 2020 2:02:11 PM MST Geoffrey Leach wrote:
>>> I noticed that sendmail and mailx are not installed with the basic
>>> workstation. Is there another MTA installed?
>> I hope this is fixed in future Fedora.. This is just silly, though definitely
>> in line with many of the other changes that have been made to Fedora 
>> recently.
>>
> Having a MTA running by default eats up all sorts of valuable cpu and I/O 
> cycles on a workstation.
>
> Especially of concern on an arm install...
>

Not to mention that the majority of people really don't need to run an MTA.  
And the ones
that do, know which one they prefer and how to install and configure.


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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 5/9/20 6:11 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote:

On Saturday, May 9, 2020 2:02:11 PM MST Geoffrey Leach wrote:

I noticed that sendmail and mailx are not installed with the basic
workstation. Is there another MTA installed?

I hope this is fixed in future Fedora.. This is just silly, though definitely
in line with many of the other changes that have been made to Fedora recently.

Having a MTA running by default eats up all sorts of valuable cpu and 
I/O cycles on a workstation.


Especially of concern on an arm install...

:)

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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[Geoffrey Leach]

On Sat, 9 May 2020 23:18:42 +0200
Alexander Dalloz  wrote:

> Am 09.05.2020 um 23:02 schrieb Geoffrey Leach:
> > I noticed that sendmail and mailx are not installed with the basic
> > workstation. Is there another MTA installed?  
> 
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSendmail
> 
> Alexander

Thanks for the info. 
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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[John M. Harris Jr]

On Saturday, May 9, 2020 2:02:11 PM MST Geoffrey Leach wrote:
> I noticed that sendmail and mailx are not installed with the basic
> workstation. Is there another MTA installed?

I hope this is fixed in future Fedora.. This is just silly, though definitely 
in line with many of the other changes that have been made to Fedora recently.

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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[Alexander Dalloz]

Am 09.05.2020 um 23:02 schrieb Geoffrey Leach:

I noticed that sendmail and mailx are not installed with the basic
workstation. Is there another MTA installed?


https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSendmail

Alexander
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Fedora 32 MTA

[Geoffrey Leach]

I noticed that sendmail and mailx are not installed with the basic
workstation. Is there another MTA installed?
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