Re: Fedora 35 using XFS as default for Network iso / XFCE?
On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 9:30 AM Ed Greshko wrote: > But, never mind, I'll just consider it an oddity. The particular ISO is what determines the default layout, not the package set chosen. That's why you can get XFS by default if you use the Server net install, but choose the Workstation package set. Or Btrfs if you use Everything netinstall, but choose the Server package set. I think that's the slightly confusing part is that it ends up being an attribute of the install media. The other oddity is that Everything isn't really "owned" by any one working group or SIG, it's sort of a catch all media, and due to some esoteric aspects of how images are created it was just a lot easier to let the Everything netintsaller default to Btrfs. And also it's the only way to do netinstalls for any of the desktop spins, they don't each have their own. Workstation once had a netinstaller, but it was dropped maybe 1/2 dozen releases or so ago. -- Chris Murphy ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Fedora 35 using XFS as default for Network iso / XFCE?
On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 9:42 PM Ed Greshko wrote: > > On 21/11/2021 07:09, Peter Boy wrote: > > > >> Am 20.11.2021 um 23:14 schrieb Ed Greshko : > >> > >> On 21/11/2021 01:10, Doug H. wrote: > >>> Shortly after the release of Fedora 35 I downloaded: > >>> > >>> Fedora-Server-netinst-x86_64-35-1.2.iso > >>> > >>> ... > >>> I have stated the install and it is currently downloading the packages. > >>> The interesting part is that I see that it has used XFS instead of > >>> BTRFS. > >>> > >>> Might this be expected? > >>> > >>> ... > >>> > >> I installed the Fedora Sever from > >> Fedora-Everything-netinst-x86_64-35-1.2.iso. > >> > >> ….. > >> > >> No sign of XFS. > > The Everything ISOs storage configuration defaults to Workstation. > > > > If you use the Server iso you get the „real“ Server that defaults to XFS/LVM > > > > Configuration of the filesystem is not part of the package set you choose > > from the dvd, but part of Anaconda configuration which differs between the > > various deliverables / isos > > Yes. Sorry to not be clear. I was just pointing out that depending on the > install media you use you'll get different > disk layouts. I wonder why the inconsistency is permitted. Each edition (working group) and spin (special interest group) can choose their own default layout and filesystem. For the btrfs by default change, all the desktop spins were consulted in advance with a preview of the proposal, to address any concerns they had and how to opt-out of the change if they wished. All the desktops went with btrfs. Server, Cloud, IoT editions were given a heads up, but at the time of the original proposal for Fedora 33 it wasn't expected any would join right away anyway. Fedora 35 Cloud edition switched to Btrfs by default for its images. -- Chris Murphy ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Fedora 35 using XFS as default for Network iso / XFCE?
On 21/11/2021 21:41, George N. White III wrote: On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 at 22:42, Ed Greshko wrote: On 21/11/2021 07:09, Peter Boy wrote: > [...] > The Everything ISOs storage configuration defaults to Workstation. > > If you use the Server iso you get the „real“ Server that defaults to XFS/LVM > > Configuration of the filesystem is not part of the package set you choose from the dvd, but part of Anaconda configuration which differs between the various deliverables / isos Yes. Sorry to not be clear. I was just pointing out that depending on the install media you use you'll get different disk layouts. I wonder why the inconsistency is permitted. One of the reasons we have so many different filesystems is because some are better suited to particular use cases. A developer workstation places different demands on a filesystem compared to servers doing transaction processing where you can't afford to lose and data versus large numerical models where thruput is important but "lost" data are easily replaced by restarting the model from the last checkpoint, or remote sensing and other real-time data collection where irrecoverable data are lost during downtime. The diversity of widely used and well tested filesystems is one of the advantages of linux compared to Windows and macOS. In my life, there was the often painful pre-XFS period where users queued up asking "when will the system be back up" and the XFS era when the couldn't walk to my office in the time it took their SGI workstations to reboot. Today, the majority of users can get along fine using ext4, btrfs, or XFS. I see groups that using a filesystem well suited to their "mission" requirements, and will use the same filesystem on servers and workstations because it is helpful to have several people who can step in when there is a filesystem issue. That's all well and good. But, one may expect that the "server" group would have decided that either XFS or btrfs was best suited for their "mission" and would have ensured that only one media would install their "spin" to best suit their "mission" But, never mind, I'll just consider it an oddity. -- Did 황준호 die? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Fedora 35 using XFS as default for Network iso / XFCE?
On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 at 22:42, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 21/11/2021 07:09, Peter Boy wrote: > > > [...] > The Everything ISOs storage configuration defaults to Workstation. > > > > If you use the Server iso you get the „real“ Server that defaults to > XFS/LVM > > > > Configuration of the filesystem is not part of the package set you > choose from the dvd, but part of Anaconda configuration which differs > between the various deliverables / isos > > Yes. Sorry to not be clear. I was just pointing out that depending on > the install media you use you'll get different > disk layouts. I wonder why the inconsistency is permitted. > One of the reasons we have so many different filesystems is because some are better suited to particular use cases. A developer workstation places different demands on a filesystem compared to servers doing transaction processing where you can't afford to lose and data versus large numerical models where thruput is important but "lost" data are easily replaced by restarting the model from the last checkpoint, or remote sensing and other real-time data collection where irrecoverable data are lost during downtime. The diversity of widely used and well tested filesystems is one of the advantages of linux compared to Windows and macOS. In my life, there was the often painful pre-XFS period where users queued up asking "when will the system be back up" and the XFS era when the couldn't walk to my office in the time it took their SGI workstations to reboot. Today, the majority of users can get along fine using ext4, btrfs, or XFS. I see groups that using a filesystem well suited to their "mission" requirements, and will use the same filesystem on servers and workstations because it is helpful to have several people who can step in when there is a filesystem issue. -- George N. White III ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Fedora 35 using XFS as default for Network iso / XFCE?
On 21/11/2021 07:09, Peter Boy wrote: Am 20.11.2021 um 23:14 schrieb Ed Greshko : On 21/11/2021 01:10, Doug H. wrote: Shortly after the release of Fedora 35 I downloaded: Fedora-Server-netinst-x86_64-35-1.2.iso ... I have stated the install and it is currently downloading the packages. The interesting part is that I see that it has used XFS instead of BTRFS. Might this be expected? ... I installed the Fedora Sever from Fedora-Everything-netinst-x86_64-35-1.2.iso. ….. No sign of XFS. The Everything ISOs storage configuration defaults to Workstation. If you use the Server iso you get the „real“ Server that defaults to XFS/LVM Configuration of the filesystem is not part of the package set you choose from the dvd, but part of Anaconda configuration which differs between the various deliverables / isos Yes. Sorry to not be clear. I was just pointing out that depending on the install media you use you'll get different disk layouts. I wonder why the inconsistency is permitted. -- Did 황준호 die? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Fedora 35 using XFS as default for Network iso / XFCE?
> Am 20.11.2021 um 23:14 schrieb Ed Greshko : > > On 21/11/2021 01:10, Doug H. wrote: >> Shortly after the release of Fedora 35 I downloaded: >> >> Fedora-Server-netinst-x86_64-35-1.2.iso >> >> ... >> I have stated the install and it is currently downloading the packages. >> The interesting part is that I see that it has used XFS instead of >> BTRFS. >> >> Might this be expected? >> >> ... >> > > I installed the Fedora Sever from Fedora-Everything-netinst-x86_64-35-1.2.iso. > > ….. > > No sign of XFS. The Everything ISOs storage configuration defaults to Workstation. If you use the Server iso you get the „real“ Server that defaults to XFS/LVM Configuration of the filesystem is not part of the package set you choose from the dvd, but part of Anaconda configuration which differs between the various deliverables / isos ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Fedora 35 using XFS as default for Network iso / XFCE?
On 21/11/2021 01:10, Doug H. wrote: Shortly after the release of Fedora 35 I downloaded: Fedora-Server-netinst-x86_64-35-1.2.iso I generally keep the current netinstall iso in case I might want to use it for repair and I also generally use it to create a VitrualBox install to show what a vanilla Xfce install looks like. I am taking defaults for the disk partitioning but I am switching to Xfce desktop. I have stated the install and it is currently downloading the packages. The interesting part is that I see that it has used XFS instead of BTRFS. Might this be expected? Might it be due to the netinstall being a bit out of date? Might it be due to XFCE desktop? I installed the Fedora Sever from Fedora-Everything-netinst-x86_64-35-1.2.iso. [egreshko@f35ser ~]$ df -T Filesystem Type 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on devtmpfs devtmpfs 987424 0 987424 0% /dev tmpfs tmpfs 1006492 0 1006492 0% /dev/shm tmpfs tmpfs 402600 1048 401552 1% /run /dev/vda2 btrfs 32504832 2049224 30079096 7% / tmpfs tmpfs 1006496 4 1006492 1% /tmp /dev/vda2 btrfs 32504832 2049224 30079096 7% /home /dev/vda1 ext4 996780 250232 677736 27% /boot tmpfs tmpfs 201296 0 201296 0% /run/user/1026 No sign of XFS. -- Did 황준호 die? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Fedora 35 using XFS as default for Network iso / XFCE?
> Am 20.11.2021 um 18:10 schrieb Doug H. : > > > Shortly after the release of Fedora 35 I downloaded: > > Fedora-Server-netinst-x86_64-35-1.2.iso > > ... > > I have stated the install and it is currently downloading the packages. > The interesting part is that I see that it has used XFS instead of > BTRFS. > > Might this be expected? Just to confirm: it is intended. Server and Workstation follow a different rationale according to the intended usage. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Fedora 35 using XFS as default for Network iso / XFCE?
On Sat, Nov 20, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Doug Herr wrote: > On Sat, Nov 20, 2021, at 9:21 AM, Alessio wrote: >> Nov 20, 2021 18:11:22 Doug H. : >> >>> >>> Shortly after the release of Fedora 35 I downloaded: >>> >>> Fedora-Server-netinst-x86_64-35-1.2.iso >>> >> >> I think that it is because you are using the Server ISO. >> If you want the "desktop" version you should use Everything netinst. Just to confirm, that was it. The new install (from "Everything") has formatted as btrfs. I like to just use the netinstall to save bandwidth and I think I was avoiding "Everything" as if that was going to download a larger item, which is silly since it is also a CD iso and the size is listed right there. Thanks again. This allows my sample vanilla test system to be more vanilla. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Fedora 35 using XFS as default for Network iso / XFCE?
On Sat, Nov 20, 2021, at 9:21 AM, Alessio wrote: > Nov 20, 2021 18:11:22 Doug H. : > >> >> Shortly after the release of Fedora 35 I downloaded: >> >> Fedora-Server-netinst-x86_64-35-1.2.iso >> > > I think that it is because you are using the Server ISO. > If you want the "desktop" version you should use Everything netinst. Aha! I think you got it. My memory is that there used to be a workstation netinstall and then there was only the server netinstall. Maybe it changed to "Everything" and I did not notice it. Or maybe I just got confused. Either way, I do see the Everything iso and will grab that and try the install using that one instead. Thanks much. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Fedora 35 using XFS as default for Network iso / XFCE?
Nov 20, 2021 18:11:22 Doug H. : > > Shortly after the release of Fedora 35 I downloaded: > > Fedora-Server-netinst-x86_64-35-1.2.iso > I think that it is because you are using the Server ISO. If you want the "desktop" version you should use Everything netinst. Ciao, A. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Fedora 35 using XFS as default for Network iso / XFCE?
Shortly after the release of Fedora 35 I downloaded: Fedora-Server-netinst-x86_64-35-1.2.iso I generally keep the current netinstall iso in case I might want to use it for repair and I also generally use it to create a VitrualBox install to show what a vanilla Xfce install looks like. I am taking defaults for the disk partitioning but I am switching to Xfce desktop. I have stated the install and it is currently downloading the packages. The interesting part is that I see that it has used XFS instead of BTRFS. Might this be expected? Might it be due to the netinstall being a bit out of date? Might it be due to XFCE desktop? -- Doug H. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
