Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 3:07 AM, Ben Boeckel maths...@gmail.com wrote: Don't they share a D-Bus API these days? they do. On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: Why? Just use system dbus notifications and you're done. But as I suggested - it should be used only for critical notifications - non-critical should go just through some kind of RSS feed or similar. R. this is what i did, the first prototype uses the dbus which means it should work on all desktops. about the fact of the critical non-critical alerts, i think you should subscribe the fedora announce mailing list, you'll not get more than 3 messages a month at most. this is the number of alerts i expect the user to get, 3 a month, at most. -- Regards,, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad @meGenius -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On 08/25/2010 02:03 PM, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote: after spending two days reading the two fedora mailing lists (fedora users fedora devel), i got a list of ideas that need to be implemented in order to keep the things up: 1. the abililty to turn off the system 2. smart notifications (maybe multilanguage, geolocation-based, time-aware notes) 3. keep a history of the notifications 4. max. number of notifications at the time 5. click able notifications 6. stackable notifications 7. manageable feeds any issue about any of those points?? imo - Whatever you do - please ensure that: 1) never grab mouse focus ever - let the user decide when to view the info. 2) never create a popup unless the user clicks your applet to ask for more information - leave your applet blinking in system tray or whatever. 3) Consider possible consolidation of rss/email/desktop - as some have said - perhaps they would like to be reached on their phone with critical info. have fun .. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 06:30 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: I have to agree with Kevin here (!). Employing a notification system in parallel to the ones already provides by the desktop environment is a total nonstarter. in fact, your point means there will be two versions, KDE version other desktops version, which imo is not the best call. however, after seeing the big number of the alternative solutions, the bigger number of the disagreements, i'm going to stop for a while before i make sure whether i should continue or not. -- Regards,, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad @meGenius -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
2010/8/26 Mahmoud Abdul Jawad abduljawad.mahm...@gmail.com: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: --SNIP-- however, after seeing the big number of the alternative solutions, the bigger number of the disagreements, i'm going to stop for a while before i make sure whether i should continue or not. You should not. There's a lot of reasons that were described in earlier messages in this topic. I'm just adding that if you want to support Fedora use your efforts wisely. Don't waste your time. Make something that is sought after by Fedora users. Respectfully, -- Hiisi. Registered Linux User #487982. Be counted at: http://counter.li.org/ -- Spandex is a privilege, not a right. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:35 AM, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: On 08/24/2010 06:41 PM, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote: snip if you read back thru post, you will see that i did post a '+1' to point made that i fully agree with and did not see need to write them all over again. i respect your opinions, but, what is said - by you or by other users - doesn't help. you are just blowing away the whole idea. personally, see no benefit of adding something else to desktop that will somewhere along the line be a potential problem. especially when desktops, ie, kde, are always changing and in changing, breaking. that's why i didn't create a plasmoid sent it to the fedora admins. the idea is a desktop independent application, why? because i'm using d-bus which is being used be all the desktops. therefore, to insure that users are notified, notices should be sent thru list subscriptions. i subscribe to user, announce, xen, admin, redhat security, and kde list and i am considering subscribing to dev list. in so doing, i do keep up with most of what is happening and i see no reason why notifications can not be cross posted to list to inform one and all when needed. nor do i see any reason that there would be any complaints of such cross posting by subscribers of list. something that you may not have given consideration to, what happens when a fedora user has fedora system off for a few days of he is using another distribution and is still reading his emails and something critical comes up like an exploit that can wipe entire installation as soon as he runs a program that has a time delayed bomb in it and this bomb is set for while he is out of fedora? very simple, he loses everything. why, because he was running a distrib that was unaware and he did not get notified because notification did not come via email. this to me is a big flaw in a very fine distribution. great point. there is nothing wrong with your concept if you not only have a notification system and an email notification and ability to disable notification system. another plus would be if notification system was designed to watch for emails with a key in them that would trigger notification system to pop up a notice on desktop, as long as feature had ability to disable. another flaw in automatic checking is what would happen if crazies decided to run a DoS for url that check is made thru. in so running DoS, they intercept and respond with a bogus 'all clear' of send a false 'danger' with an update notice. then when user tries to run update, another DoS is running against url for updates and another intercept is set up to download some form of malware or bomb. yes, this is a lot of 'what ifs', but what if it was done? therefore, i still say, *BAD IDEA*. it gains nothing. it's not because i hate you - i don't even know your name ;) - but i'm going to continue this, because i think at the end we will know whether it will be able to solve such problems or not --not now. in closing, thank you for posting 'text/plain'. now your post will be easier to follow and read by others who trap 'text/html'. you are most welcome. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ i -- Regards,, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad @meGenius -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
after spending two days reading the two fedora mailing lists (fedora users fedora devel), i got a list of ideas that need to be implemented in order to keep the things up: 1. the abililty to turn off the system 2. smart notifications (maybe multilanguage, geolocation-based, time-aware notes) 3. keep a history of the notifications 4. max. number of notifications at the time 5. click able notifications 6. stackable notifications 7. manageable feeds any issue about any of those points?? -- Regards,, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad @meGenius -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On 08/25/2010 05:54 PM, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote: snip i respect your opinions, thank you. but, what is said - by you or by other users - doesn't help. you are just blowing away the whole idea. great. now you are starting to get the idea behind what i and others are trying to get across to you. that's why i didn't create a plasmoid sent it to the fedora admins. the idea is a desktop independent application, why? because i'm using d-bus which is being used be all the desktops. it does not matter what your 'bit of wisdom' uses. if no one is for it, nothing is needed. not to belittle you, but just because you think it is great, it does not mean that it is great, needed, or anyone wants it. snip very simple, he loses everything. why, because he was running a distrib that was unaware and he did not get notified because notification did not come via email. this to me is a big flaw in a very fine distribution. great point. thank you. at least you are starting to see flaw. snip therefore, i still say, *BAD IDEA*. it gains nothing. it's not because i hate you - i don't even know your name ;) - but i'm going to continue this, because i think at the end we will know whether it will be able to solve such problems or not --not now. it is bad to hate. hate builds prejudice and single minded thinking. if you are one among a few, why fight and insist against many? when the wheel rolls, why try to change it. in closing, thank you for posting 'text/plain'. now your post will be easier to follow and read by others who trap 'text/html'. you are most welcome. as are you. in this closing, please understand this, i do respect you opinions, but as stated, i do not see advantage of what you want to do. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On 08/25/2010 06:03 PM, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote: after spending two days reading the two fedora mailing lists (fedora users fedora devel), i got a list of ideas that need to be implemented in order to keep the things up: snip any issue about any of those points?? there you go again. leave the design of the wheel alone apply you ingeniousness to fixing what needs to be fixed. there are enough bugs need repair with out adding more. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:25 PM, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: On 08/25/2010 05:54 PM, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote: snip thank you. great. now you are starting to get the idea behind what i and others are trying to get across to you. it does not matter what your 'bit of wisdom' uses. if no one is for it, nothing is needed. not to belittle you, but just because you think it is great, it does not mean that it is great, needed, or anyone wants it. snip thank you. at least you are starting to see flaw. it is bad to hate i hope you didn't understood me wrongly, i meant i don't hate you :) hate builds prejudice and single minded thinking. if you are one among a few, why fight and insist against many? when the wheel rolls, why try to change it. as are you. in this closing, please understand this, i do respect you opinions, but as stated, i do not see advantage of what you want to do. i don't know whether you knew this or not, but, it wasn't my idea i wasn't the one who started this thing. i'm just leading the programming part. again, i don't find this a big lose, so, creating a small application when i'm free is something worth the try. at the end of this, i'll recall you asking you about your opinion again. so, prepare to change your mind :P -- Regards,, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad @meGenius -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 21:54 +0400, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote: personally, see no benefit of adding something else to desktop that will somewhere along the line be a potential problem. especially when desktops, ie, kde, are always changing and in changing, breaking. that's why i didn't create a plasmoid sent it to the fedora admins. the idea is a desktop independent application, why? because i'm using d-bus which is being used be all the desktops. As several people have suggested, why not use RSS, which doesn't even depend on the desktop (or the OS)? Don't assume that the only people who need to follow these alerts are those who are actually running Fedora themselves. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On Tuesday August 24 2010 03:47:47 DJ Delorie wrote: On 08/23/2010 02:37 PM, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote: before two weeks, a discussion started in ambassadors mailing-list about a work around to deliver the important notifications to the fedora desktop (whatever the desktop is). What a horrible idea. Please PLEASE don't make it the default, and certainly make sure I can yum remove it (because I *will* remove it). I get enough spam already, I don't need yet another well-known way for spammers to hack into my system and put ads in front of my face. I also don't need yet another Surprise! distraction popping up on my desktop. Besides, we already have a way to do this - it's called e-mail. Or twitter. Or usenet. Or facebook. Or the web. Or IRC. Let people choose whether to get notices or not, and how, don't force it down their throats the way some big companies do. Totally agree, [Quote] The Reason A large number of Fedora users don't read the Fedora wiki websites, thus, they miss important news, tips notifications. [/Quote] Perhaps the solution should be encouragement or even a guided sign up to a mailing list during first log-in. [Quote] A simple application that reads a multilanguage web feed post a new notification to the system using a D-Bus notifications system. [/Quote] now I am not an expert about D-Bus notifications system, but as far as I know this notifications last for short duration, and there is no way to read the history (sort of speak) so E-Mail sounds much better. or perhaps a desktop widget that you can remove if you don't like... I hope those are constructive comments, I have no other intentions. Keep up the good work and effort. Thanks, YB. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On 08/24/2010 07:15 AM, Dj YB wrote: now I am not an expert about D-Bus notifications system, but as far as I know this notifications last for short duration, and there is no way to read the history (sort of speak) so E-Mail sounds much better. or perhaps a desktop widget that you can remove if you don't like... I hope those are constructive comments, I have no other intentions. Keep up the good work and effort. IMHO is better to use RSS/Atom feeds for those who can't subscribe to mailing list. -- Athmane Madjoudj -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
i would like to know, 1. whether people would like to have a GUI for it or not, 2. whether they want to be able to read the previous announcements, 3. whether they want the checking process automatically or manually. This seems a bit half baked as a concept. If I want to know about Fedora announcements I can use the mailing list. If I want to track Fedora goings on I can use RSS/ATOM feeds. I imagine the Fedora powers that be can also set up a twitter account. So I can already manage these facilities including whether I use a GUI or not, whether they interrupt me and whether they get fed through scripts to automatically route them. A new tool for this is a nuisance not a help. An RSS feed for such things and adding it to the default firefox rss bookmarks on a new Fedora could be a very good thing for new users. That I can see, but please we have a wheel, several of them, don't invent a new one. Secondly the model of 'Fedora info on Fedora box' is wrong. Many Fedora systems are servers. The announcement info may well need to be tracked on a non-Fedora box, even an Android phone or similar which again speaks for simply using the existing open standards. Certainly if there is an urgent, update your box ASAP message type then I want it where I will see it promptly - my phone. Alan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 09:15 +0300, Dj YB wrote: [Quote] The Reason A large number of Fedora users don't read the Fedora wiki websites, thus, they miss important news, tips notifications. [/Quote] Perhaps the solution should be encouragement or even a guided sign up to a mailing list during first log-in. Perhaps they don't read them because they don't want to... Pestering people is just rude. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
2010/8/24, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au: On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 09:15 +0300, Dj YB wrote: Perhaps the solution should be encouragement or even a guided sign up to a mailing list during first log-in. Perhaps they don't read them because they don't want to... Pestering people is just rude. +1 -- Alessandro Brezzi -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 3:51 AM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: It is virtually certain that my idea of important and your idea of important and every else's idea of important will be radically different. The most important feature yet another annoying popup needs is the ability to utterly disable it. Somehow this reminds me of the message boards they have put in over I-95 in south Florida. They are also supposed to be for important information, but all too often whoever is in control of them puts completely irrelevant messages on them which merely serve to block traffic as everyone slows down to read them. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines the notifications are being grabed from the fedora announcement lists, which is a really well managed mailing list by the fedora admins themselves. -- Regards,, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad @meGenius -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Michael Semcheski mhsemche...@gmail.comwrote: I think that in this context, there should be fewer, not more sources for the information - perhaps an RSS feed that mirrors an announcement list, and a twitter rebroadcast of the same. But I think highly specialized clients for ingesting this information is a good idea, so long as they're opt-in. If they are hard-wired to look at the correct feed, then it provides a real service to interested users, because it helps them to find the good source of information and presents it to them in a convenient way. I also think a notification-client project would be well served by identifying in writing how it works and what features it contains. Examples: * The user can set a threshold to receive fewer or more notifications. * Clicking on a notification takes the user to a web page with more information. * Notifications stay on the screen until the user clicks on them. * There is a configuration directory similar to yum.repos.d that manages the feeds the user is interested in. There are plenty of people who do not want such a notification system for very valid reasons. That doesn't mean its not a worthwhile idea that others would want to use. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines i totally agree with that. i'll put your points into consideration. -- Regards,, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad @meGenius -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On Tuesday, August 24, 2010 18:59:08 Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote: On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:47 AM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: What a horrible idea. Please PLEASE don't make it the default, and certainly make sure I can yum remove it (because I *will* remove it). I get enough spam already, I don't need yet another well-known way for spammers to hack into my system and put ads in front of my face. I also don't need yet another Surprise! distraction popping up on my desktop. Besides, we already have a way to do this - it's called e-mail. Or twitter. Or usenet. Or facebook. Or the web. Or IRC. Let people choose whether to get notices or not, and how, don't force it down their throats the way some big companies do. i guess you didn't read the wiki page, that's why you are saying this. the problem is a large number of the newbies don't follow any of the list items you mentioned. however, the idea worth a small application that is well configed easily manageable, of course removable. I think that having more choices is always better than fewer choices, so I welcome the idea of a Yet Another Notification App, some people may like it better than others. But please --- make that thing opt-in rather than opt-out. I know that there are newbies who don't know much about Fedora and would benefit from such an app, but there are also the rest of us who will only get annoyed by it. Newbies are bound to learn a lot of stuff anyway, so making them learn how to turn on this notification app can be a Good Thing for them. However, making the rest of us jump through hoops to turn it off has absolutely no benefit, and just adds to the noise. Maybe it would be a good idea to put an Are you a newbie to Fedora? question in the Fedora installation procedure, and have Anaconda adjust the system differently according to what the user answers. I would happily click that query once every 6 months in order save myself from opt-ing out of all current and future newbie-related stuff later on. It would be an easy way to change a *lot* of default choices that are good for newbies but bad for seasoned users and vice versa. Best, :-) Marko -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On 08/24/2010 06:41 PM, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote: snip thanx for the worthless discussion with you, g you are most welcome. i guess your (ZERO) points about the application are very great, i'm going to implement them all. if you read back thru post, you will see that i did post a '+1' to point made that i fully agree with and did not see need to write them all over again. personally, see no benefit of adding something else to desktop that will somewhere along the line be a potential problem. especially when desktops, ie, kde, are always changing and in changing, breaking. therefore, to insure that users are notified, notices should be sent thru list subscriptions. i subscribe to user, announce, xen, admin, redhat security, and kde list and i am considering subscribing to dev list. in so doing, i do keep up with most of what is happening and i see no reason why notifications can not be cross posted to list to inform one and all when needed. nor do i see any reason that there would be any complaints of such cross posting by subscribers of list. something that you may not have given consideration to, what happens when a fedora user has fedora system off for a few days of he is using another distribution and is still reading his emails and something critical comes up like an exploit that can wipe entire installation as soon as he runs a program that has a time delayed bomb in it and this bomb is set for while he is out of fedora? very simple, he loses everything. why, because he was running a distrib that was unaware and he did not get notified because notification did not come via email. this to me is a big flaw in a very fine distribution. there is nothing wrong with your concept if you not only have a notification system and an email notification and ability to disable notification system. another plus would be if notification system was designed to watch for emails with a key in them that would trigger notification system to pop up a notice on desktop, as long as feature had ability to disable. another flaw in automatic checking is what would happen if crazies decided to run a DoS for url that check is made thru. in so running DoS, they intercept and respond with a bogus 'all clear' of send a false 'danger' with an update notice. then when user tries to run update, another DoS is running against url for updates and another intercept is set up to download some form of malware or bomb. yes, this is a lot of 'what ifs', but what if it was done? therefore, i still say, *BAD IDEA*. it gains nothing. in closing, thank you for posting 'text/plain'. now your post will be easier to follow and read by others who trap 'text/html'. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Fedora Notifications System.
Hi all,, before two weeks, a discussion started in ambassadors mailing-list about a work around to deliver the important notifications to the fedora desktop (whatever the desktop is). after some discussion, we started with some guide lines putted them on the wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_notifications_system Continuing, I created an early prototype i want people to check gives feedbacks about it. you can reach it through gitweb: http://fedorapeople.org/gitweb?p=megenius/public_git/fns.git;a=summary or, you can grab your own clone from the git repo: git://fedorapeople.org/megenius/fns.git i would like to know, 1. whether people would like to have a GUI for it or not, 2. whether they want to be able to read the previous announcements, 3. whether they want the checking process automatically or manually. keep in mind that last_check file should be writeable by the world, you should change its value to an earlier date, so you can see some notifications. -- Regards,, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad @meGenius -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:37 AM, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad abduljawad.mahm...@gmail.com wrote: or, you can grab your own clone from the git repo: git://fedorapeople.org/megenius/fns.git Hey Mohmoud, Great idea, but I can't seem to clone the repo (remote hangs up).. -c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:37:15 +0400 Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote: deliver the important notifications to the fedora desktop It is virtually certain that my idea of important and your idea of important and every else's idea of important will be radically different. The most important feature yet another annoying popup needs is the ability to utterly disable it. Somehow this reminds me of the message boards they have put in over I-95 in south Florida. They are also supposed to be for important information, but all too often whoever is in control of them puts completely irrelevant messages on them which merely serve to block traffic as everyone slows down to read them. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: Somehow this reminds me of the message boards they have put in over I-95 in south Florida. They are also supposed to be for important information, but all too often whoever is in control of them puts completely irrelevant messages on them which merely serve to block traffic as everyone slows down to read them. I personally look forward to getting desktop notifications that include geolocation awareness that will periodically remind me exactly how far away I am from South of the Border. I can think of nothing more vital than that. -jefan adolescence scarred by roadtrips on I-95spaleta -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On 08/23/2010 02:37 PM, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote: before two weeks, a discussion started in ambassadors mailing-list about a work around to deliver the important notifications to the fedora desktop (whatever the desktop is). What a horrible idea. Please PLEASE don't make it the default, and certainly make sure I can yum remove it (because I *will* remove it). I get enough spam already, I don't need yet another well-known way for spammers to hack into my system and put ads in front of my face. I also don't need yet another Surprise! distraction popping up on my desktop. Besides, we already have a way to do this - it's called e-mail. Or twitter. Or usenet. Or facebook. Or the web. Or IRC. Let people choose whether to get notices or not, and how, don't force it down their throats the way some big companies do. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On 08/23/2010 06:37 PM, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote: Hi all,, snip http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines#No_HTML_Mail.2C_Please -- peace out. tc,hago. g . signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Notifications System.
On 08/24/2010 12:47 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: snip Besides, we already have a way to do this - it's called e-mail. Or twitter. Or usenet. Or facebook. Or the web. Or IRC. Let people choose whether to get notices or not, and how, don't force it down their throats the way some big companies do. +1 -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
