Re: Fedora support for laplets

[Lailah]

El mar, 13-11-2012 a las 18:48 +0100, lee escribió:


> 
> There is some documentation on
> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Draft_Documentation/0.1/html/Power_Management_Guide/index.html
> which might be interesting for you.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Fedora 17



Thank you, very much!  I'm reading it.


Regards,
Lailah



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Re: Fedora support for laplets

[Bill Davidsen]

Steve wrote:

On 11/11/2012 09:53 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:

I see a lot of vendors are putting out hybrid tablet-laptops with a touch
screen which flips, and traditional keyboard, which can be used in a number of
ways, including as a tablet. Has anyone gotten experience with using Fedora on
such a machine, and if so how (if at all) was the touch feature supported?


I am running Fedora 17 on a Dell Duo that is a couple years old.

It shipped with Windows and it sucked.   I installed Fedora (15?) on it and it
came to life.  Its a really nice machine with it.

As far as the touch functionality, I had to install drivers manually back then,
but I believe that the kernel now ships with them natively. Touch just works in
F17, but it ceases to work if I put my Duo to sleep and then resume.   Whether
it works on your device depends on what hardware it has.

I don't know a whole lot about touch functionality in Fedora 17.  I haven't
played around with it much.  The problem with a touchscreen device is that as
soon as you want to do real work, it is s slow compared to a keyboard.   So
what I do is use touch for general browsing and such, but as soon as I want to
get serious about something I find myself flipping the keyboard open and typing
and using the mouse.


I've seen reasonably nice units from Dell and Lenovo, but no nice salespeople
who would let me boot them from thumb drive.

If you are referring to the new Dell Duo, I think that is one sweet machine.
I'd go for it.  If I didn't have an Android tablet, I'd go for the new Duo 
myself.

Have an Android tablet, and I do like it, some things are very nice with touch, 
while as you note, typing much or anything needing careful pointer control is 
poor. Wish I could run Android apps on Fedora with touch, for some things it's 
outstanding.



If you are looking for advanced tablet functionality, check out the new Plasma
Active release.  Rex put a build in the testing repository.  I haven't had a
chance to test it yet.

Sounds interesting, I would want to see how well it works before I bought the 
hardware, but that would be the right set of solutions for me.


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Re: Fedora support for laplets

[Bill Davidsen]

Steve wrote:

On 11/11/2012 09:53 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:

I see a lot of vendors are putting out hybrid tablet-laptops with a touch
screen which flips, and traditional keyboard, which can be used in a number of
ways, including as a tablet. Has anyone gotten experience with using Fedora on
such a machine, and if so how (if at all) was the touch feature supported?


I am running Fedora 17 on a Dell Duo that is a couple years old.

It shipped with Windows and it sucked.   I installed Fedora (15?) on it and it
came to life.  Its a really nice machine with it.

As far as the touch functionality, I had to install drivers manually back then,
but I believe that the kernel now ships with them natively. Touch just works in
F17, but it ceases to work if I put my Duo to sleep and then resume.   Whether
it works on your device depends on what hardware it has.

I don't know a whole lot about touch functionality in Fedora 17.  I haven't
played around with it much.  The problem with a touchscreen device is that as
soon as you want to do real work, it is s slow compared to a keyboard.   So
what I do is use touch for general browsing and such, but as soon as I want to
get serious about something I find myself flipping the keyboard open and typing
and using the mouse.


I've seen reasonably nice units from Dell and Lenovo, but no nice salespeople
who would let me boot them from thumb drive.

If you are referring to the new Dell Duo, I think that is one sweet machine.
I'd go for it.  If I didn't have an Android tablet, I'd go for the new Duo 
myself.

Have an Android tablet, and I do like it, some things are very nice with touch, 
while as you note, typing much or anything needing careful pointer control is 
poor. Wish I could run Android apps on Fedora with touch, for some things it's 
outstanding.



If you are looking for advanced tablet functionality, check out the new Plasma
Active release.  Rex put a build in the testing repository.  I haven't had a
chance to test it yet.

Sounds interesting, I would want to see how well it works before I bought the 
hardware, but that would be the right set of solutions for me.


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Re: Fedora support for laplets

[Bill Davidsen]

Robert Moskowitz wrote:


On 11/12/2012 07:55 AM, Lailah wrote:


El dom, 11-11-2012 a las 11:53 -0500, Bill Davidsen escribió:

I see a lot of vendors are putting out hybrid tablet-laptops with a touch screen
which flips, and traditional keyboard, which can be used in a number of ways,
including as a tablet. Has anyone gotten experience with using Fedora on such a
machine, and if so how (if at all) was the touch feature supported?

I've seen reasonably nice units from Dell and Lenovo, but no nice salespeople
who would let me boot them from thumb drive.

--
Bill Davidsen mailto:david...@tmr.com>>
"We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot




Hello!

I don't know if there's any kind of support for touchscreen.  My
experience in Fedora is with netbooks.  And you see, if you can install or at
least boot a Fedora, you will take care of battery consumption.  It is a
problem in my portable devices with Fedora. :-|


I don't understand your point here about battery.  Are you saying you put Fedora
on a netbook (over supplied Linux) that you get much shorter battery life?

I use to fiddle with fstab to stop a lot of background disk activity (right now
I forget the option, and can't find my notes on it).

Don't know about battery, I have no issues on my netbook, get eight hours.I used 
to do fiddling with write block size and such, helped so little with modern 
drives I ignore it.Might play with spin down time if I had a load which caused 
issues.




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Re: Fedora support for laplets

[Bill Davidsen]

Robert Moskowitz wrote:


On 11/12/2012 07:55 AM, Lailah wrote:


El dom, 11-11-2012 a las 11:53 -0500, Bill Davidsen escribió:

I see a lot of vendors are putting out hybrid tablet-laptops with a touch screen
which flips, and traditional keyboard, which can be used in a number of ways,
including as a tablet. Has anyone gotten experience with using Fedora on such a
machine, and if so how (if at all) was the touch feature supported?

I've seen reasonably nice units from Dell and Lenovo, but no nice salespeople
who would let me boot them from thumb drive.

--
Bill Davidsen mailto:david...@tmr.com>>
"We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot




Hello!

I don't know if there's any kind of support for touchscreen.  My
experience in Fedora is with netbooks.  And you see, if you can install or at
least boot a Fedora, you will take care of battery consumption.  It is a
problem in my portable devices with Fedora. :-|


I don't understand your point here about battery.  Are you saying you put Fedora
on a netbook (over supplied Linux) that you get much shorter battery life?

I use to fiddle with fstab to stop a lot of background disk activity (right now
I forget the option, and can't find my notes on it).

Don't know about battery, I have no issues on my netbook, get eight hours.I used 
to do fiddling with write block size and such, helped so little with modern 
drives I ignore it.Might play with spin down time if I had a load which caused 
issues.




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Re: Fedora support for laplets

[lee]

Lailah  writes:

> El lun, 12-11-2012 a las 16:29 -0600, Robert Moskowitz escribió:
>
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/12/2012 07:55 AM, Lailah wrote:
>> 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > El dom, 11-11-2012 a las 11:53 -0500, Bill Davidsen escribió: 
>> > 
>> > > I see a lot of vendors are putting out hybrid tablet-laptops with a 
>> > > touch screen 
>> > > which flips, and traditional keyboard, which can be used in a number of 
>> > > ways, 
>> > > including as a tablet. Has anyone gotten experience with using Fedora on 
>> > > such a 
>> > > machine, and if so how (if at all) was the touch feature supported?
>> > > 
>> > > I've seen reasonably nice units from Dell and Lenovo, but no nice 
>> > > salespeople 
>> > > who would let me boot them from thumb drive.
>> > > 
>
>
>
> Oh, I will explain a little bit more.
>
> I have a netbook that, originally, came with an Ubuntu 10.04.  I
> try other Linux distributions until I choose Fedora 16.  In this Fedora,
> Verne, battery life was fine.  Not the better but fine.  But when I
> installed Fedora 17, was other story.  My battery life was markedly
> shorter.  To install Jupiter improved energy consumption.  That's all.
> May be I failed finding tools to save energy...
>
> I hope this clarified your doubts.

There is some documentation on
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Draft_Documentation/0.1/html/Power_Management_Guide/index.html
which might be interesting for you.


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Re: Fedora support for laplets

[Lailah]

El lun, 12-11-2012 a las 16:29 -0600, Robert Moskowitz escribió:

> 
> 
> On 11/12/2012 07:55 AM, Lailah wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > El dom, 11-11-2012 a las 11:53 -0500, Bill Davidsen escribió: 
> > 
> > > I see a lot of vendors are putting out hybrid tablet-laptops with a touch 
> > > screen 
> > > which flips, and traditional keyboard, which can be used in a number of 
> > > ways, 
> > > including as a tablet. Has anyone gotten experience with using Fedora on 
> > > such a 
> > > machine, and if so how (if at all) was the touch feature supported?
> > > 
> > > I've seen reasonably nice units from Dell and Lenovo, but no nice 
> > > salespeople 
> > > who would let me boot them from thumb drive.
> > > 



Oh, I will explain a little bit more.

I have a netbook that, originally, came with an Ubuntu 10.04.  I
try other Linux distributions until I choose Fedora 16.  In this Fedora,
Verne, battery life was fine.  Not the better but fine.  But when I
installed Fedora 17, was other story.  My battery life was markedly
shorter.  To install Jupiter improved energy consumption.  That's all.
May be I failed finding tools to save energy...

I hope this clarified your doubts.



Regards,
Lailah



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Re: Fedora support for laplets

[Steve]

On 11/11/2012 09:53 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
I see a lot of vendors are putting out hybrid tablet-laptops with a 
touch screen which flips, and traditional keyboard, which can be used 
in a number of ways, including as a tablet. Has anyone gotten 
experience with using Fedora on such a machine, and if so how (if at 
all) was the touch feature supported?


I am running Fedora 17 on a Dell Duo that is a couple years old.

It shipped with Windows and it sucked.   I installed Fedora (15?) on it 
and it came to life.  Its a really nice machine with it.


As far as the touch functionality, I had to install drivers manually 
back then, but I believe that the kernel now ships with them natively.  
Touch just works in F17, but it ceases to work if I put my Duo to sleep 
and then resume.   Whether it works on your device depends on what 
hardware it has.


I don't know a whole lot about touch functionality in Fedora 17.  I 
haven't played around with it much.  The problem with a touchscreen 
device is that as soon as you want to do real work, it is s slow 
compared to a keyboard.   So what I do is use touch for general browsing 
and such, but as soon as I want to get serious about something I find 
myself flipping the keyboard open and typing and using the mouse.


I've seen reasonably nice units from Dell and Lenovo, but no nice 
salespeople who would let me boot them from thumb drive.
If you are referring to the new Dell Duo, I think that is one sweet 
machine.  I'd go for it.  If I didn't have an Android tablet, I'd go for 
the new Duo myself.


If you are looking for advanced tablet functionality, check out the new 
Plasma Active release.  Rex put a build in the testing repository.  I 
haven't had a chance to test it yet.


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Re: Fedora support for laplets

[Robert Moskowitz]

  
  

On 11/12/2012 07:55 AM, Lailah wrote:


  
  
  
  El dom, 11-11-2012 a las 11:53 -0500, Bill Davidsen escribió:
  
I see a lot of vendors are putting out hybrid tablet-laptops with a touch screen 
which flips, and traditional keyboard, which can be used in a number of ways, 
including as a tablet. Has anyone gotten experience with using Fedora on such a 
machine, and if so how (if at all) was the touch feature supported?

I've seen reasonably nice units from Dell and Lenovo, but no nice salespeople 
who would let me boot them from thumb drive.

-- 
Bill Davidsen 
   "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot

  
  
  
  
  Hello!
  
      I don't know if there's any kind of support for
  touchscreen.  My experience in Fedora is with netbooks.  And you
  see, if you can install or at least boot a Fedora, you will take
  care of battery consumption.  It is a problem in my portable
  devices with Fedora.  


I don't understand your point here about battery.  Are you saying
you put Fedora on a netbook (over supplied Linux) that you get much
shorter battery life?

I use to fiddle with fstab to stop a lot of background disk activity
(right now I forget the option, and can't find my notes on it).


  

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Re: Fedora support for laplets

[Bill Davidsen]

Lailah wrote:


El dom, 11-11-2012 a las 11:53 -0500, Bill Davidsen escribió:

I see a lot of vendors are putting out hybrid tablet-laptops with a touch screen
which flips, and traditional keyboard, which can be used in a number of ways,
including as a tablet. Has anyone gotten experience with using Fedora on such a
machine, and if so how (if at all) was the touch feature supported?

I've seen reasonably nice units from Dell and Lenovo, but no nice salespeople
who would let me boot them from thumb drive.

--
Bill Davidsen mailto:david...@tmr.com>>
"We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot




Hello!

 I don't know if there's any kind of support for touchscreen.  My
experience in Fedora is with netbooks.  And you see, if you can install or at
least boot a Fedora, you will take care of battery consumption.  It is a problem
in my portable devices with Fedora. :-|

I get about eight hours from my ASUS netbook, which has a D510 (dual core smt) 
processor. First portable I normally take without a charger, it's never let me 
down yet, including seven hours running a book reader in an airport.


But the idea of touch is interesting, some things really lend themselves to that 
user interface. I can't do without real keyboard, but for a few things I would 
like the touch. I hear Ubuntu runs Android under Linux, maybe there's a solution 
there.



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Re: Fedora support for laplets

[Lailah]

El dom, 11-11-2012 a las 11:53 -0500, Bill Davidsen escribió:

> I see a lot of vendors are putting out hybrid tablet-laptops with a touch 
> screen 
> which flips, and traditional keyboard, which can be used in a number of ways, 
> including as a tablet. Has anyone gotten experience with using Fedora on such 
> a 
> machine, and if so how (if at all) was the touch feature supported?
> 
> I've seen reasonably nice units from Dell and Lenovo, but no nice salespeople 
> who would let me boot them from thumb drive.
> 
> -- 
> Bill Davidsen 
>"We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
> the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot




Hello!

I don't know if there's any kind of support for touchscreen.
My experience in Fedora is with netbooks.  And you see, if you can
install or at least boot a Fedora, you will take care of battery
consumption.  It is a problem in my portable devices with Fedora.  :-| 



Regards,
Lailah

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Fedora support for laplets

[Bill Davidsen]

I see a lot of vendors are putting out hybrid tablet-laptops with a touch screen 
which flips, and traditional keyboard, which can be used in a number of ways, 
including as a tablet. Has anyone gotten experience with using Fedora on such a 
machine, and if so how (if at all) was the touch feature supported?


I've seen reasonably nice units from Dell and Lenovo, but no nice salespeople 
who would let me boot them from thumb drive.


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