subject:"Fedora vs openSUSE"

On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 12:04 AM, David  wrote:

> I have been told that the same(??) guy asked the very same question with
> the very same Subject: line on the Ubuntu list the other day.

David, I understand your concern and respect your views but would like
to tell you the same:

Correct, I did ask in the Ubuntu lists too, but please: for a while
think of the time when you too were an absolute beginner and finding
your way typical of chosing the correct distribution and then start
working for it! Its typical for a newbie to decide for the correct
distribution, so that matters a lot and it seems as if someone is a
troll, but this is not the case Craig. I hope you would see from my
(newbie) perspective too.
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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:31 PM, g  wrote:

> as always, i do respect your opinion, other than a couple times we
> have gotten a little sideways, i have tried to maintain my harshness
> and abusiveness to trolls, and other such ingrates.

You are harsh in almost every talk, more of the times, I have seen you
being non sense and abusive and talking anything of the persons of any
country, like for Americans, if you are from Greek, don't abuse
Americans.

> i agree. some times i just get weak.

Not some times, almost, all of the times.

> true, he has been a great waste of time, both on and off list.

You are also a waste bin, do you understand this?
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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Craig White  wrote:

> George, I think you are unnecessarily harsh and abusive - but my
> determination was made long before this exchange. That said, you
> seemingly are incapable of understanding the adage... don't feed the
> trolls.

He is person who is born to debate and talk non sense, most of the
time, I have seen this.

> and so there is no doubt about Rameshwar being a troll, consider...

> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2011-December/410414.html

> and

> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-December/255723.html

> Whether he has other identities on this and the other lists is something
> I am not going to waste any time speculating upon but it seems that he
> is just a waste of time and energy.

Correct, I did ask in the Ubuntu lists too, but please: for a while
think of the time when you too were an absolute beginner and finding
your way typical of chosing the correct distribution and then start
working for it! Its typical for a newbie to decide for the correct
distribution, so that matters a lot and it seems as if someone is a
troll, but this is not the case Craig. I hope you would see from my
(newbie) perspective too.
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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread Carroll Grigsby

On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 21:21:54 +0530
"Rameshwar Kr. Sharma"  wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 7:58 PM, g  wrote:
> 
Both of you: Either stop it or take it off line. Now.

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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread David

On 12/23/2011 12:14 PM, Craig White wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 14:28 +, g wrote:
>> On 12/23/2011 01:47 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote:
>>> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 6:39 PM, g  wrote:
>>>
>>>
 Suneeta is a very common name in India.
>>>
>>> So John is also a common name, Mathew is also common, so what?
>> -=-
>>
>> yes, john and mathew common 'english' names. as are rameshwar or kr.
>> or sharma, are common names of people of India.
>>
>> except that *Rameshwar Kr. Sharma* is not a common name.
>>
>> so, for the rest of members of this list, go ahead, have it your way
>> and continue to lie. at least you believe what you are saying.
> 
> George, I think you are unnecessarily harsh and abusive - but my
> determination was made long before this exchange. That said, you
> seemingly are incapable of understanding the adage... don't feed the
> trolls.
> 
> and so there is no doubt about Rameshwar being a troll, consider...
> 
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2011-December/410414.html
> 
> and
> 
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-December/255723.html
> 
> Whether he has other identities on this and the other lists is something
> I am not going to waste any time speculating upon but it seems that he
> is just a waste of time and energy.
> 
> Craig
> 
> 


I have been told that the same(??) guy asked the very same question with
the very same Subject: line on the Ubuntu list the other day.

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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

On 12/23/2011 05:14 PM, Craig White wrote:
<>

> George, I think you are unnecessarily harsh and abusive - but my
> determination was made long before this exchange.
-=-

craig,

as always, i do respect your opinion, other than a couple times we
have gotten a little sideways, i have tried to maintain my harshness
and abusiveness to trolls, and other such ingrates.

> That said, you seemingly are incapable of understanding the adage...
> don't feed the trolls.
-=-

i agree. some times i just get weak.

my feeding this troll has only been to build up enough of his mannerism
and denials, to compare them to his other persona's as well as to build
header information to a point that it is without any doubt that all three
are one.

> and so there is no doubt about Rameshwar being a troll, consider...
-=-

yes, i am aware of 'their' other post to other distribs.

> Whether he has other identities on this and the other lists is something
> I am not going to waste any time speculating upon but it seems that he
> is just a waste of time and energy.
-=-

true, he has been a great waste of time, both on and off list.

even trolls need help. but, third time was a charmer and has proved that
this troll is well beyond help.

my last reply, which i did not clearly state my finalizing, was to be my
last to this thread.

with your post, i felt that i owed and make should at least make one more,
to with,

my sincerest apoligies to you and rest of list, with one exclusion, that
that i have endured and put you all thru this.

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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread Craig White

On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 14:28 +, g wrote:
> On 12/23/2011 01:47 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 6:39 PM, g  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >> Suneeta is a very common name in India.
> > 
> > So John is also a common name, Mathew is also common, so what?
> -=-
> 
> yes, john and mathew common 'english' names. as are rameshwar or kr.
> or sharma, are common names of people of India.
> 
> except that *Rameshwar Kr. Sharma* is not a common name.
> 
> so, for the rest of members of this list, go ahead, have it your way
> and continue to lie. at least you believe what you are saying.

George, I think you are unnecessarily harsh and abusive - but my
determination was made long before this exchange. That said, you
seemingly are incapable of understanding the adage... don't feed the
trolls.

and so there is no doubt about Rameshwar being a troll, consider...

http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2011-December/410414.html

and

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-December/255723.html

Whether he has other identities on this and the other lists is something
I am not going to waste any time speculating upon but it seems that he
is just a waste of time and energy.

Craig


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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 7:58 PM, g  wrote:

> yes, john and mathew common 'english' names. as are rameshwar or kr.
> or sharma, are common names of people of India.

> except that *Rameshwar Kr. Sharma* is not a common name.

> so, for the rest of members of this list, go ahead, have it your way
> and continue to lie. at least you believe what you are saying.

And you forgot all things of 'g', really absurd! Liar!
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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

On 12/23/2011 01:47 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 6:39 PM, g  wrote:
> 
> 
>> Suneeta is a very common name in India.
> 
> So John is also a common name, Mathew is also common, so what?
-=-

yes, john and mathew common 'english' names. as are rameshwar or kr.
or sharma, are common names of people of India.

except that *Rameshwar Kr. Sharma* is not a common name.

so, for the rest of members of this list, go ahead, have it your way
and continue to lie. at least you believe what you are saying.

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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011/12/23 夜神　岩男 :

> I'm not sure what's got you riled about my response. I really did write
> that, not the Indian guy you've a problem with.

> As far as Christmas goes, it is clearly the season when list goes haywire,
> so I was only striving to make as much sense as everything else in this
> thread to date.

> I've been around for quite a while, too. Someone might be playing games with
> identities here, but I've never noticed anyone trying to impersonate me on
> this or any other list. (I *did* catch someone pretending to me me on a blog
> once or twice, but that was quickly resolved.)

I really don't understand what he wanted to say, we should just leave
him aside, I was just wishing the Happy Christmas to all including
him, but he seems a fool born with the targets of debate and non sense
only. And sometimes blaming you of impersonation and other times me,
he seems more mad, I guess...
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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 6:39 PM, g  wrote:


> Suneeta is a very common name in India.

So John is also a common name, Mathew is also common, so what?
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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 6:32 PM, g  wrote:

> a web search thru 3 sites on shows one living in India.

Well I am an Indian but I do_not_live_there_right now! Okay?
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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread 夜神　岩男


On 12/23/2011 10:02 PM, g wrote:



On 12/23/2011 12:15 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote:

2011/12/23 å¤œç¥žã€€å²©ç”·:


Its Christmas, so probably lots.

-=-

faking sender as you did only shows more of your lacking.

and Christmas has nothing to do with how many there are.

a web search thru 3 sites on shows one living in India.


just what is it you are ashamed of that you pretend as you do?


I'm not sure what's got you riled about my response. I really did write 
that, not the Indian guy you've a problem with.


As far as Christmas goes, it is clearly the season when list goes 
haywire, so I was only striving to make as much sense as everything else 
in this thread to date.


I've been around for quite a while, too. Someone might be playing games 
with identities here, but I've never noticed anyone trying to 
impersonate me on this or any other list. (I *did* catch someone 
pretending to me me on a blog once or twice, but that was quickly resolved.)

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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

On 12/23/2011 12:24 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:46 PM, g  wrote:
> 
>> as for God blessing me. He has, many times.
> 
>> tell Suneeta hello.
> 
> I have no hate for you and nothing,
-=-

i have never said or inferred that you did. nor have i inferred such
towards you.

> I really don't know you!
-=-

this is true. you do not.

> Why you were saying such things in the list?
-=-

be specific.

> Also earlier I never did ask anything?
-=-

is that a question or a statement? and please be specific.

> Perhaps you thinking something else.
-=-

no.

> And what/who is 'Suneeta' here?
-=-

there you go again, in denial.

Suneeta is a very common name in India.

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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

On 12/23/2011 12:15 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote:
> 2011/12/23 å¤œç¥žã€€å²©ç”· :
> 
>> Its Christmas, so probably lots.
-=-

faking sender as you did only shows more of your lacking.

and Christmas has nothing to do with how many there are.

a web search thru 3 sites on shows one living in India.

just what is it you are ashamed of that you pretend as you do?

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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011/12/23 夜神　岩男 :

> Its Christmas, so probably lots.

+1

And merry Christmas to all, incl. 'g'.
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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread 夜神　岩男


On 12/23/2011 09:09 PM, g wrote:


just how many Rameshwar Kr. Sharma would you say there are in this world?


Its Christmas, so probably lots.
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just how many Rameshwar Kr. Sharma would you say there are in this world?

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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:46 PM, g  wrote:

> as for God blessing me. He has, many times.

May God bless all of us, I don't want to come into more debate, you do
whatever you wish, its your life.

> tell Suneeta hello.

Don't know what is Suneeta? What is it?
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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

On 12/23/2011 05:34 AM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:42 PM, g  wrote:
> 
>> the pot calling the kettle black. very topical of a troll.
> 
>> i am not the one who has been trolling this list.
> 
> While most the persons here are helpful and suggesting but I have so
> far, seen only you to come into the war and fight, shame on you!
> Whether you call yourself 'g' or 'G' (whatever that meant, lol), but
> you seem to be a foolish person.
-=-

'come into the war and fight'? just what war are you talking about?

> 
>> i have tried to help you, but you got angry. you got angry at another
>> and insulted them.
> 

> I don't know when you tried to help me,
-=-

deny all you want. but you did exactly what i told your other personae
to do.

> you seem to be equally mad also.
-=-

mad? not even.

>> in one of your persona's, i suggested you to do something, which you
>> did as yourself. and as yourself, you repeat what you asked in your
>> personae. then as yourself, you are given same answers that where
>> told to your persona's. only difference this round is that you
>> finally agree that what you where told before is good.
> 

> You need to go to psychiatric, I assume.
-=-

i have been. they told me there was nothing wrong with me. what is your
excuse for being as you are?

you can assume all you want, but it is all of you. not me.

> I presume that you are disturbed with some personal issues in your
> life, so saying such things in the list, may God bless you.
-=-

i have no disturbing personal issues in my life.

as for saying "such things" to list, other than regard to you, only that
which is true. besides, it is not just me who picked up on commonality
of your post.

as for God blessing me. He has, many times.

tell Suneeta hello.

to you, in closing, *kafba*.

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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:42 PM, g  wrote:

> the pot calling the kettle black. very topical of a troll.

> i am not the one who has been trolling this list.

While most the persons here are helpful and suggesting but I have so
far, seen only you to come into the war and fight, shame on you!
Whether you call yourself 'g' or 'G' (whatever that meant, lol), but
you seem to be a foolish person.

> i have tried to help you, but you got angry. you got angry at another
> and insulted them.

I don't know when you tried to help me, you seem to be equally mad also.

> in one of your persona's, i suggested you to do something, which you
> did as yourself. and as yourself, you repeat what you asked in your
> personae. then as yourself, you are given same answers that where
> told to your persona's. only difference this round is that you
> finally agree that what you where told before is good.

You need to go to psychiatric, I assume.

> what makes you even worse, is you use a sockpuppet.

I presume that you are disturbed with some personal issues in your
life, so saying such things in the list, may God bless you.
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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Joe Zeff


On 12/22/2011 10:12 AM, g wrote:

in one of your persona's, i suggested you to do something, which you
did as yourself. and as yourself, you repeat what you asked in your
personae.


I think that the term you want is "sock puppet."
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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

On 12/22/2011 08:47 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 12/22/2011 10:12 AM, g wrote:
>> in one of your persona's, i suggested you to do something, which you
>> did as yourself. and as yourself, you repeat what you asked in your
>> personae.
>
> I think that the term you want is "sock puppet."
-=-

actually, both are acceptable. ie, you knew what i meant.

one is just harder to look up. ;-)

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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

On 12/22/2011 05:02 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:30 PM, g  wrote:
>
>>> True and so for me, some have habit of debates, better is we should
>>> leave it there itself and on its on. With time, it settles, perhaps.
>
>> better to have a habit of debate than a habit of trolling and deceit.
>
> Correct, so never troll then.
-=-

the pot calling the kettle black. very topical of a troll.

i am not the one who has been trolling this list.

i have tried to help you, but you got angry. you got angry at another
and insulted them.

in one of your persona's, i suggested you to do something, which you
did as yourself. and as yourself, you repeat what you asked in your
personae. then as yourself, you are given same answers that where
told to your persona's. only difference this round is that you
finally agree that what you where told before is good.

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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:30 PM, g  wrote:

>> True and so for me, some have habit of debates, better is we should
>> leave it there itself and on its on. With time, it settles, perhaps.

> better to have a habit of debate than a habit of trolling and deceit.

Correct, so never troll then.
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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

On 12/22/2011 03:55 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote:
<>

> True and so for me, some have habit of debates, better is we should
> leave it there itself and on its on. With time, it settles, perhaps.
-=-

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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Ed Greshko  wrote:

> That logic is beyond the scope of my comprehension at the moment.

True and so for me, some have habit of debates, better is we should
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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

On 12/22/2011 03:21 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 12/22/2011 11:17 PM, g wrote:
>> On 12/22/2011 03:12 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>> On 12/22/2011 11:06 PM, g wrote:

 *nope*

 it is what is known as a "troll party".

 which "ain't over 'til well after the fat lady sings".

 B-D

>>> Right.
>>>
>>> The corollary to the axiom mentioned earlier is
>>>
>>> "You can not kill a tread.  It will only die a natural death."
>> i believe you meant 'thread'?
>
> I believe I did too  But, the number of Gin and Tonics is directly
> proportional to the number of typing errors.
-=-

i used to be a 'gin head', but i got tired of the tonic and could
not get used to straight gin taste.

i change back to my childhood favorite of straight metaxa and now
i am happy again.

  http://www.metaxa.com/

if you need an early morning 'eye opener', metaxa is great in
strong coffee.

>> what if the troll 'comes clean'?
>>
>> !not!
>
> That logic is beyond the scope of my comprehension at the moment.
-=-

lol.

have a metaxa and you will not care. &-)

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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Ed Greshko

On 12/22/2011 11:17 PM, g wrote:
> On 12/22/2011 03:12 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> On 12/22/2011 11:06 PM, g wrote:
>>> On 12/22/2011 02:57 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote:
 2011/12/22 Christopher Svanefalk :

 Are we not uneccessaily extending a conversion which should end now,
 like Ã¥Â¤Å“Ã§Â¥Å¾Ã£â‚¬â‚¬Ã¥Â²Â©Ã§â€Â· said truly please invoke a zombie 
 thread any more.
>>> -=-
>>>
>>> *nope*
>>>
>>> it is what is known as a "troll party".
>>>
>>> which "ain't over 'til well after the fat lady sings".
>>>
>>> B-D
>>>
>> Right.
>>
>> The corollary to the axiom mentioned earlier is
>>
>> "You can not kill a tread.  It will only die a natural death."
> i believe you meant 'thread'?

I believe I did too  But, the number of Gin and Tonics is directly
proportional to the number of typing errors.
 
>
> what if the troll 'comes clean'?
>
> !not!

That logic is beyond the scope of my comprehension at the moment.



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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

On 12/22/2011 03:12 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 12/22/2011 11:06 PM, g wrote:
>> On 12/22/2011 02:57 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote:
>>> 2011/12/22 Christopher Svanefalk :
>>>
>>> Are we not uneccessaily extending a conversion which should end now,
>>> like Ã¥Â¤Å“Ã§Â¥Å¾Ã£â‚¬â‚¬Ã¥Â²Â©Ã§â€Â· said truly please invoke a zombie 
>>> thread any more.
>> -=-
>>
>> *nope*
>>
>> it is what is known as a "troll party".
>>
>> which "ain't over 'til well after the fat lady sings".
>>
>> B-D
>>
> 
> Right.
> 
> The corollary to the axiom mentioned earlier is
> 
> "You can not kill a tread.  It will only die a natural death."

i believe you meant 'thread'?

what if the troll 'comes clean'?

!not!

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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Ed Greshko

On 12/22/2011 11:06 PM, g wrote:
> On 12/22/2011 02:57 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote:
>> 2011/12/22 Christopher Svanefalk :
>>
>> Are we not uneccessaily extending a conversion which should end now,
>> like å¤œç¥žã€€å²©ç”· said truly please invoke a zombie thread any more.
> -=-
>
> *nope*
>
> it is what is known as a "troll party".
>
> which "ain't over 'til well after the fat lady sings".
>
> B-D
>

Right.

The corollary to the axiom mentioned earlier is

"You can not kill a tread.  It will only die a natural death."


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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

On 12/22/2011 02:57 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote:
> 2011/12/22 Christopher Svanefalk :
> 
> Are we not uneccessaily extending a conversion which should end now,
> like å¤œç¥žã€€å²©ç”· said truly please invoke a zombie thread any more.
-=-

*nope*

it is what is known as a "troll party".

which "ain't over 'til well after the fat lady sings".

B-D

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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011/12/22 Rameshwar Kr. Sharma :

> Are we not uneccessaily extending a conversion which should end now,
> like 夜神　岩男 said truly please invoke a zombie thread any more.

Please don't invoke what I meant.
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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011/12/22 Christopher Svanefalk :

Are we not uneccessaily extending a conversion which should end now,
like 夜神　岩男 said truly please invoke a zombie thread any more.
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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Christopher Svanefalk

Trolls? In my Fedora? O_O

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 3:12 PM, 夜神 岩男  wrote:

> On 12/22/2011 10:15 PM, Craig White wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 19:50 +1100, Roger wrote:
>>
>>> On 22/12/11 14:22, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
>>>
 On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700
 Craig White   wrote:

  On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>
>> On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote:
>>
>>> Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone.
>>>
>> couple of hundred = 80 (including this one)
>>
>> couple of hundred = hyperbole
>>
>
>  We Ya gotta admit 'a couple of hundred' sounds more than 'a few'
>>> or
>>> 'a couple of dozen' and it got the expected result.
>>> I love this List, thanks Folks.
>>>
>> 
>> not sure what the expected result was that you wanted but.you got the
>> quote attributions completely wrong demonstrating that you are equally
>> adept at handling e-mail replies as you are in counting.
>>
>
> This seems to be also intentional, and proves his mastery. Perhaps Roger
> is in fact the troll king another was aspiring to in this thread, but with
> +10 to Subtlety.
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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread 夜神　岩男


On 12/22/2011 10:15 PM, Craig White wrote:

On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 19:50 +1100, Roger wrote:

On 22/12/11 14:22, Carroll Grigsby wrote:

On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700
Craig White   wrote:


On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote:

Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone.

couple of hundred = 80 (including this one)

couple of hundred = hyperbole



We Ya gotta admit 'a couple of hundred' sounds more than 'a few' or
'a couple of dozen' and it got the expected result.
I love this List, thanks Folks.


not sure what the expected result was that you wanted but.you got the
quote attributions completely wrong demonstrating that you are equally
adept at handling e-mail replies as you are in counting.


This seems to be also intentional, and proves his mastery. Perhaps Roger 
is in fact the troll king another was aspiring to in this thread, but 
with +10 to Subtlety.

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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-22 Thread Marko Vojinovic

On Thursday 22 December 2011 17:28:59 Tim wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 01:05 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> > Me ducks for cover
> 
> Ducks don't provide much cover.  You need something larger, like an
> albatross.

LOL! :-D

Best, :-)
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Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Craig White

On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 19:50 +1100, Roger wrote:
> On 22/12/11 14:22, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
> > On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700
> > Craig White  wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> >>> On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote:
>  Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone.
> >>> couple of hundred = 80 (including this one)
> >>>
> >>> couple of hundred = hyperbole
> >>
> We Ya gotta admit 'a couple of hundred' sounds more than 'a few' or 
> 'a couple of dozen' and it got the expected result.
> I love this List, thanks Folks.

not sure what the expected result was that you wanted but.you got the
quote attributions completely wrong demonstrating that you are equally
adept at handling e-mail replies as you are in counting.

Craig


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Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Roger


On 22/12/11 14:22, Carroll Grigsby wrote:

On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700
Craig White  wrote:


On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote:

Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone.

couple of hundred = 80 (including this one)

couple of hundred = hyperbole


We Ya gotta admit 'a couple of hundred' sounds more than 'a few' or 
'a couple of dozen' and it got the expected result.

I love this List, thanks Folks.
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-22 Thread Roger


On 22/12/11 14:32, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 12/22/2011 11:22 AM, Carroll Grigsby wrote:

On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700
Craig White  wrote:


On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote:

Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone.

couple of hundred = 80 (including this one)

couple of hundred = hyperbole


I used to tell my children all the time - don't exaggerate... they
never listened.

;-)

Craig



And my dad used to say, "If I've told you once, I've told you a
million times: don't exaggerate." Sometimes he threw a "dammit" in.


You know, I think Roger is another in the long line of those that have
proven the axiom

"If you don't like the length or absurdness of a thread, don't comment
as it will only add to the length and/or increase the absurdness
geometrically."

:-)

'Aaaand Loving it (Maxwell Smart)
Roger

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Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Tim

On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 12:25 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> The point is, that device has a fixed pool of IP addresses, all from
> the same subnet, to pass out. Thus, as long as you're connecting to
> that device, you're going to get an address from the same block.

Not on my ISP.  There's two or three distinctly different IP blocks, and
you can get any of them.  i.e. The first two quads of the IPv4 address
are very different.

I would say that comes about from them having to obtain more IPs for all
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Tim

On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 01:05 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> Me ducks for cover

Ducks don't provide much cover.  You need something larger, like an
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Craig White  wrote:

>> conversation is my  button, applied with gusto.
>> Roger

> evidently your aim isn't so good and you hit the reply button instead of
> delete button.

+1
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Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:

> It's a DSLAM (DSL Access Module), i.e. a card stuck into the phone
> company's switch.

Now a ways, router are used more often, some boxy type of thing.
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE


On 12/21/2011 07:56 PM, Craig White wrote:

it would be pretty hard to 'out troll' Marcel/Gilpel.


Maybe, but I'm sure that Sgt. Detritus could manage it, and that Diamond 
is in a class by himself.

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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Craig White

On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 03:11 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> On Thursday 22 December 2011 09:35:59 Ed Greshko wrote:
> > On 12/22/2011 09:05 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> > > // And now the *real* flame wars will begin... Me ducks for cover,
> > > smiling in a diabolic way... //
> > 
> > Does that mean you are openly admitting to status of "troll"?  :-) :-)
> 
> Nah, that wouldn't be a challenge. :-D The main thing I was trying was to get 
> *others* to label me as a troll, so that I could obtain my deserved place on 
> this list alongside with some other Great Trolls, but unfortunately I failed 
> every time.

it would be pretty hard to 'out troll' Marcel/Gilpel. Then there was the
troll king, Karl and if his was intentional, well... then he had a
tremendous gift. The highest you could ever achieve would be 3rd place
all time and it seems obvious that you lack the inner rage to qualify.

Craig


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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

On 12/22/2011 11:22 AM, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700
> Craig White  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>> On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote:
 Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. 
>>> couple of hundred = 80 (including this one)
>>>
>>> couple of hundred = hyperbole
>> 
>> I used to tell my children all the time - don't exaggerate... they
>> never listened.
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
> And my dad used to say, "If I've told you once, I've told you a
> million times: don't exaggerate." Sometimes he threw a "dammit" in.
>

You know, I think Roger is another in the long line of those that have
proven the axiom

"If you don't like the length or absurdness of a thread, don't comment
as it will only add to the length and/or increase the absurdness
geometrically."

:-)

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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread 夜神　岩男


On 12/22/2011 11:46 AM, Craig White wrote:

On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote:

Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone.


couple of hundred = 80 (including this one)

couple of hundred = hyperbole


I used to tell my children all the time - don't exaggerate... they never
listened.

;-)

Craig


I (grieviously) fear that wasn't hyperbole, but a quantum fluctuation 
which permitted Roger to remember the future.

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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Carroll Grigsby

On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700
Craig White  wrote:

> On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote:
> > > Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. 
> > 
> > couple of hundred = 80 (including this one)
> > 
> > couple of hundred = hyperbole
> 
> I used to tell my children all the time - don't exaggerate... they
> never listened.
> 
> ;-)
> 
> Craig
> 
> 

And my dad used to say, "If I've told you once, I've told you a
million times: don't exaggerate." Sometimes he threw a "dammit" in.

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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Marko Vojinovic

On Thursday 22 December 2011 09:35:59 Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 12/22/2011 09:05 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> > // And now the *real* flame wars will begin... Me ducks for cover,
> > smiling in a diabolic way... //
> 
> Does that mean you are openly admitting to status of "troll"?  :-) :-)

Nah, that wouldn't be a challenge. :-D The main thing I was trying was to get 
*others* to label me as a troll, so that I could obtain my deserved place on 
this list alongside with some other Great Trolls, but unfortunately I failed 
every time.

I'm more like a troll wannabe, but never actually making the cut. ;-) What can 
I do, my trolling skills just aren't good enough for people on this list... 
They seem to see through my intentions, and refuse to grant me with a genuine 
troll label, no matter how hard I try to convince them that I deserve it. ;-)

But thanks for the thought, it encourages me to keep trying. :-D

Best, :-)
Marko

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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Craig White

On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote:
> > Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. 
> 
> couple of hundred = 80 (including this one)
> 
> couple of hundred = hyperbole

I used to tell my children all the time - don't exaggerate... they never
listened.

;-)

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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote:
> Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. 

couple of hundred = 80 (including this one)

couple of hundred = hyperbole

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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Roger


On 22/12/11 11:58, Craig White wrote:

On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 09:15 +1100, Roger wrote:



As the great Yogi Berra once said "This is like deja vu all over again."




The truly great thing about his increasingly irrelevant conversation
conversation is my  button, applied with gusto.
Roger


evidently your aim isn't so good and you hit the reply button instead of
delete button.

Craig


Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone.
Roger




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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

On 12/22/2011 09:05 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> // And now the *real* flame wars will begin... Me ducks for cover, smiling in 
> a 
> diabolic way... //

Does that mean you are openly admitting to status of "troll"?  :-) :-)

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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Marko Vojinovic

On Wednesday 21 December 2011 06:58:08 Antonio Olivares wrote:
> 
> Still take for example the Android platform which is Linux/GNU/Linux.

Wait, is there really any GNU in the Android? I thought that Android was a 
textbook example of a Linux-based non-GNU OS... ;-)

// And now the *real* flame wars will begin... Me ducks for cover, smiling in a 
diabolic way... //

:->
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Craig White

On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 09:15 +1100, Roger wrote:
> 
> 
> As the great Yogi Berra once said "This is like deja vu all over again."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The truly great thing about his increasingly irrelevant conversation 
> conversation is my  button, applied with gusto.
> Roger

evidently your aim isn't so good and you hit the reply button instead of
delete button.

Craig


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Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread g

On 12/21/2011 08:15 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 12/21/2011 10:04 AM, g wrote:
>> only time it changes is when i do a full system power down, including ups,
>> which brings down dsl modem.
>
> I used to do this type of stuff at an ISP.  What you have is a fairly
> long lease on an IP.  When that lease expires, your modem has to renew
> it.  There's a good chance that you'll get another lease on the same IP,
> but not always.  If the modem goes down briefly, or there's a short loss
> of signal, you'll still have the same IP.  If you want to be (almost)
> sure your IP changes, leave it off for at least fifteen minutes.  Why I
> qualified that last statement is left as an exercise for the reader.
-=-

so i have been told. i do not know how long the lease is, but i do know
that it is longer than 30 days. i used to have dsl modem power brick
plugged in wall outlet. i realized my error a good while back when i
lost mains and i was downloading a large file and had about 10 minutes
remaining.

if i had brick plugged into ups, i could have halted dl and resumed when
mains can back up. it was not a torrent. :-(

i did correct my error. now, from time to time when i 'pull plugs', i get
a new ip and really not concerned how long i hold ip.

now, sometimes i pull dsl line just to refresh ip and avoid 'crazies'
hacking ip blocks.

-+-

On 12/21/2011 08:25 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 12/21/2011 10:04 AM, g wrote:
>> even then, when i power back up, i go back into same dsl block;
>>
>>(adsl-184-41-x-x.mem.bellsouth.net[184.41.x.x])
>
> Sorry to respond twice.  It only just occurred to me that I should
> comment on this as well.  What your ADSL modem connects to at the phone
> company isn't a modem or a router, but I can't remember any more what
> it's called.  (It's been eight years since I needed to know.)  However,
> if you think of it as a dumb router that does nothing except DHCP and
> passing packets, you'll be close enough.  The point is, that device has
> a fixed pool of IP addresses, all from the same subnet, to pass out.
> Thus, as long as you're connecting to that device, you're going to get
> an address from the same block.
-=-

not a problem.

first jump is run to a rather large cabinet at side of a street, about
8 blocks away, where it goes from copper to fiber. then connects to a
'central office' about 5 miles away. what is in between me and 'co',
i have no idea. [see attached for a tracerute]

when i first signed up with aDSL, i did not get speed i am paying for,
so i call at&t to have a check run to see what/where problem was.

as it turns out, i am at end of a run, approx 3k20 feet of copper. :-(
so instead of 138 kbps, i average around 86 kbps.

fiber is in my future.

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[geo@argosyiayia ~]$ traceroute redhat.com
traceroute to redhat.com (209.132.183.81), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  * home (192.168.1.254)  3.144 ms  4.321 ms
 2  adsl-184-41-46-1.mem.bellsouth.net (184.41.46.1)  45.383 ms  55.195 ms  
62.922 ms
 3  70.159.236.41 (70.159.236.41)  74.638 ms  84.621 ms  92.382 ms
 4  12.81.52.42 (12.81.52.42)  109.896 ms  117.709 ms  127.206 ms
 5  12.81.52.48 (12.81.52.48)  136.988 ms  146.687 ms  156.473 ms
 6  12.81.32.130 (12.81.32.130)  166.468 ms  174.450 ms  182.877 ms
 7  12.81.32.107 (12.81.32.107)  147.361 ms  147.429 ms  149.462 ms
 8  74.175.192.198 (74.175.192.198)  147.560 ms  147.359 ms  149.449 ms
 9  cr1.nsvtn.ip.att.net (12.122.148.14)  151.558 ms  153.646 ms  155.813 ms
10  cr2.attga.ip.att.net (12.122.28.105)  155.677 ms  151.678 ms  155.691 ms
11  attga04jt.ip.att.net (12.122.84.149)  147.626 ms  147.593 ms  147.491 ms
12  192.205.37.166 (192.205.37.166)  187.310 ms  177.580 ms  169.962 ms
13  * * *
14  phn-edge-06.inet.qwest.net (205.171.12.146)  194.939 ms 
phn-edge-06.inet.qwest.net (205.171.12.142)  192.929 ms 
phn-edge-06.inet.qwest.net (205.171.12.146)  190.742 ms
15  * * *
16  * * *
17  * * *
18  * * *
19  63-232-247-146.dia.static.qwest.net (63.232.247.146)  109.593 ms !X * *

[geo@argosyiayia ~]$ traceroute fedoraproject.com
traceroute to fedoraproject.com (209.132.176.120), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  home (192.168.1.254)  1.665 ms  4.706 ms  4.670 ms
 2  adsl-184-41-46-1.mem.bellsouth.net (184.41.46.1)  41.403 ms  51.153 ms  
60.905 ms
 3  70.159.236.41 (70.159.236.41)  72.689 ms  82.599 ms  92.309 ms
 4  12.

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Roger




As the great Yogi Berra once said "This is like deja vu all over again."




The truly great thing about his increasingly irrelevant conversation 
conversation is my  button, applied with gusto.

Roger
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread jdow


On 2011/12/21 10:56, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 12/21/2011 07:40 AM, Clive Hills wrote:

I invoke Godwin's Law and mention Hitler.

Can this just stop.
Clive





No. Mentioning him simply to end a thread doesn't count; you have to invoke him
in anger.


There is also the philosophical question regarding mentioning Stalin,
Caligula, Temujin, or others if their ilk would do the same as the
mention of Hitler.


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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread g

On 12/21/2011 10:58 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
<>

> As the great Yogi Berra once said "This is like deja vu all over again."
> 
> Nearly the exact same question came up very recently on this
> list...as well as the Ubuntu list...as well as the openSUSE list.
> Even all of the responses seem nearly the same.Â  Not only that, the
> "new" person was also from the same country.
-=-

thank you for posting that. there is more to 'their' post than just
same country, which i will not go into on list.

due to some other more important things that are pressing on my mind,
i was almost starting to believe that i was about to 'lose it'. then
when i looked back thru 'their' post, i started regaining confidence.

now reading your post again, i am convinced that i was not wrong. more
importantly, i am not 'losing it'. 8-D

the "new person" has more repeating than just of their questions.

it is interesting that 'they' *think* changing the posting name will
change 'them'.

what is really sorrowful is that 'they' seems to believe that 'they'
have to ask 'their' questions in personae. where in, had 'they' just
come forward to start, or even in personae, and listened to suggestions
of making up 'their' own minds by using a live cd/dvd, 'they' could
have picked 2, 3, 4 or how ever many distribs they want and have had
them checked out by now and decided on what to use.

but, i guess that would have been too logical and reasonable. 8-D

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Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE


On 12/21/2011 12:58 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

It's a DSLAM (DSL Access Module), i.e. a card stuck into the phone
company's switch.


Thank you, Patrick.  I knew it had a simple name, but after eight years 
of not needing to think about it I'd forgotten.

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Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan

On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 12:25 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> What your ADSL modem connects to at the phone 
> company isn't a modem or a router, but I can't remember any more what 
> it's called.

It's a DSLAM (DSL Access Module), i.e. a card stuck into the phone
company's switch.

poc

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Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE


On 12/21/2011 10:04 AM, g wrote:

even then, when i power back up, i go back into same dsl block;

   (adsl-184-41-x-x.mem.bellsouth.net[184.41.x.x])


Sorry to respond twice.  It only just occurred to me that I should 
comment on this as well.  What your ADSL modem connects to at the phone 
company isn't a modem or a router, but I can't remember any more what 
it's called.  (It's been eight years since I needed to know.)  However, 
if you think of it as a dumb router that does nothing except DHCP and 
passing packets, you'll be close enough.  The point is, that device has 
a fixed pool of IP addresses, all from the same subnet, to pass out. 
Thus, as long as you're connecting to that device, you're going to get 
an address from the same block.

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Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE


On 12/21/2011 10:04 AM, g wrote:

only time it changes is when i do a full system power down, including ups,
which brings down dsl modem.


I used to do this type of stuff at an ISP.  What you have is a fairly 
long lease on an IP.  When that lease expires, your modem has to renew 
it.  There's a good chance that you'll get another lease on the same IP, 
but not always.  If the modem goes down briefly, or there's a short loss 
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sure your IP changes, leave it off for at least fifteen minutes.  Why I 
qualified that last statement is left as an exercise for the reader.

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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE


On 12/21/2011 07:40 AM, Clive Hills wrote:

I invoke Godwin's Law and mention Hitler.

Can this just stop.
Clive





No.  Mentioning him simply to end a thread doesn't count; you have to 
invoke him in anger.

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Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread g

On 12/21/2011 11:57 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
<>

> Your IP address is not necessarily constant.
-=-

only time it changes is when i do a full system power down, including ups,
which brings down dsl modem.

even then, when i power back up, i go back into same dsl block;

  (adsl-184-41-x-x.mem.bellsouth.net[184.41.x.x])

even yahoo mail and gmail 'block' their clients, tho in different ways.

> And if you want to mask it you can use TOR,
-=-

no reason to. i am not trying to hide like some others do.

> but we're getting way OT now.
-=-

as so designated in 'Subject'.

'end of story'. :-)

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Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread 夜神　岩男


On 12/21/2011 09:19 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote:

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
  wrote:


if they really wanted to know, they could check my ip address. :-)



Your IP address is not necessarily constant. And if you want to mask it
you can use TOR, but we're getting way OT now.


+1

And what if he/she might be using some anonymous web surfing tool like 'TOR'?


I was ignoring this since the beginning. But now the truly zombie nature 
of the thread is starting to mess with my zen thing...


Stop polluting the archives.
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Matthew Saltzman

On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 15:40 +, Clive Hills wrote: 
> I invoke Godwin's Law and mention Hitler.

Gratuitous invocations don't count.

> 
> Can this just stop.
> Clive

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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Clive Hills  wrote:

> Can this just stop.

What to be stopped?
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Clive Hills

I invoke Godwin's Law and mention Hitler.

Can this just stop.
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Tim  wrote:

> Though be aware that Live CDs are a poor demonstration.  For one thing,
> they're a slow medium.  So don't be put off trying a proper installation
> if the demonstration isn't that good.

Oh yes, but I can install from Live CD only and then just update the
system after installation, is it fine, I guess.

> Yes, it is a good idea to try more than one distro to see which is
> better suited for you.  But I haven't seen anybody mention the other
> important thing:  See what technical support you can get for each, and
> which you prefer out of that.

> e.g. I find this mailing list very good.  I haven't thought much of the
> Ubuntu forums, back when I was looking at it.

> If you can't use the distro all by yourself, and need help, you want it
> to be useful to you.

Well, important point mentioned. (I guess) all the three have good
supporting mailing lists, however, I have not compared.
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Ralf Corsepius  wrote:

> a) such deals are not uncommon in the commercial world. It's only that SUSE
> uses this deal for marketing purposes, while there probably exist similar
> deals, the public simply never will know about.

> b) whom to consider the devil is (mostly) a religous matter.

> c) Times are changing: Though Microsoft and Linux definitely are not close
> friends, Microsoft's attitude towards Linux has changed at least to some
> extend. Also, the real threats to Linux and FLOSS is not Microsoft, anymore.

> There are a lot of answers, I could provide, if I wanted, but I am not
> interested in yet another flamewar ;)

> Back to OP's original question:

> To absolute beginners, from a mere usability POV, I in first place recommend
> Ubuntu, then openSUSE, then (with larger gap inbetween) followed by Fedora,
> ... Debian on last place.

> If "freedom of software" is your "highest aim", then Debian should be your
> first choice, followed by Fedora, then a gap, then openSUSE, followed by
> Ubuntu on last place.

> From a mere technical standpoint, Fedora, Ubuntu and openSUSE all are on
> comparable levels and stages of development.

Very well said, I see. Really came to know the Debian has largest pool
of software.
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Tim

On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 15:34 +0530, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote:
> either Fedora or Ubuntu, but without actually practically seeing I
> really cannot comments. Thanks to the developers that they created the
> use of Live CDs without which it seems a more typical kind or thing to
> judge a distro.

Though be aware that Live CDs are a poor demonstration.  For one thing,
they're a slow medium.  So don't be put off trying a proper installation
if the demonstration isn't that good.

Yes, it is a good idea to try more than one distro to see which is
better suited for you.  But I haven't seen anybody mention the other
important thing:  See what technical support you can get for each, and
which you prefer out of that.

e.g. I find this mailing list very good.  I haven't thought much of the
Ubuntu forums, back when I was looking at it.

If you can't use the distro all by yourself, and need help, you want it
to be useful to you.

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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Antonio Olivares

> c) Times are changing: Though Microsoft and Linux
> definitely are not close friends, Microsoft's attitude
> towards Linux has changed at least to some extend. Also, the
> real threats to Linux and FLOSS is not Microsoft, anymore.
> 

Yes, indeed times are changing.  I hear that Microsoft's attitude towards the 
"cancer", which was/is linux, now they are contributing to the linux kernel 
because they were caught using GPL code and now they have to give back :)  

Still take for example the Android platform which is Linux/GNU/Linux.  For 
every phone sold with Android, M$ makes money on it and it charges whether the 
phone has M$ software on it or not.  M$ does not lose, it will find a way to 
win :(

Regards,


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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius

On 12/21/2011 02:15 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote:

Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with

Microsoft...

I really didn't understand this sentence and its

hidden (may be) meaning.

Opensuses' 'agreement' with Microsoft

http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html

necessarily imposes limitations (theoretical if not

actual) on its development

('intellectual property concerns')

Oh I see, this is really amazing. So should I not use
openSUSE because
of this deal? Thanks.
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This is entirely up to you :) You decide. If you like OpenSUSE, use it.

Exactly.

Deals of sleeping with the devil by M$ should not discourage you right?

Well,

a) such deals are not uncommon in the commercial world. It's only that
SUSE uses this deal for marketing purposes, while there probably exist
similar deals, the public simply never will know about.

b) whom to consider the devil is (mostly) a religous matter.

c) Times are changing: Though Microsoft and Linux definitely are not
close friends, Microsoft's attitude towards Linux has changed at least
to some extend. Also, the real threats to Linux and FLOSS is not
Microsoft, anymore.

If you are on users list at fedoraproject, why not Fedora?

There are a lot of answers, I could provide, if I wanted, but I am not
interested in yet another flamewar ;)

Back to OP's original question:

To absolute beginners, from a mere usability POV, I in first place
recommend Ubuntu, then openSUSE, then (with larger gap inbetween)
followed by Fedora, ... Debian on last place.

If "freedom of software" is your "highest aim", then Debian should be
your first choice, followed by Fedora, then a gap, then openSUSE,
followed by Ubuntu on last place.

From a mere technical standpoint, Fedora, Ubuntu and openSUSE all are
on comparable levels and stages of development.

Ralf
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Antonio Olivares
 wrote:

> This is entirely up to you :)  You decide.  If you like OpenSUSE, use it.  
> Deals of sleeping with the devil by M$ should not discourage you right?

> If you are on users list at fedoraproject, why not Fedora?  This community is 
> for Fedora users, not OpenSUSE.  But you decide which version of linux you 
> want to use.

Well, the download would be complete within 2-3 hours of Fedora and
Ubuntu and sure I am seeing the LIVE CDs first of all the three and
then install one and start using, hopefully and at first preference:
Fedora.
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Antonio Olivares

> >>> Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with
> Microsoft...
> 
> >> I really didn't understand this sentence and its
> hidden (may be) meaning.
> 
> > Opensuses' 'agreement' with Microsoft
> 
> > http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html
> 
> > necessarily imposes limitations (theoretical if not
> actual) on its development
> > ('intellectual property concerns')
> 
> Oh I see, this is really amazing. So should I not use
> openSUSE because
> of this deal? Thanks.
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This is entirely up to you :)  You decide.  If you like OpenSUSE, use it.  
Deals of sleeping with the devil by M$ should not discourage you right?

If you are on users list at fedoraproject, why not Fedora?  This community is 
for Fedora users, not OpenSUSE.  But you decide which version of linux you want 
to use.  

Regards,

Antonio 
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Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:

>> if they really wanted to know, they could check my ip address. :-)

> Your IP address is not necessarily constant. And if you want to mask it
> you can use TOR, but we're getting way OT now.

+1

And what if he/she might be using some anonymous web surfing tool like 'TOR'?
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Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan

On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 06:12 +, g wrote:
> On 12/21/2011 03:36 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> <>
> 
> > Your email address says absolutely nothing about your nationality,
> -=-
> 
> my nationality is American, living United States of America. in respect
> that Canadians are Americans living in Canada. just as Mexicans are
> Americans living in Mexico.

I wasn't asking, just making a point.

> i have never understood why Americans are just Americans with out
> distinction as to what part.

Let's not go there. It's a good way to pass the time with a few beers,
but never produces any useful result.

> my ancestry is Greek and Scotch-Irish.

Mine is Irish and I have the sunburn to prove it.

> > and is only loosely correlated with your location.
> -=-
> 
> if they really wanted to know, they could check my ip address. :-)

Your IP address is not necessarily constant. And if you want to mask it
you can use TOR, but we're getting way OT now.

poc

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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE


  
  
On 12/21/2011 01:18 AM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote:

  
This has been a great news for me that I am going switch to Linux from
Windows XP, I am bored using it, many viruses and also high cost to
maintain. Apart from it, I came to know that there are many linux and
more specifically distributions. So really speaking, I am a bit
confused between them, want to give try to Fedora but a picture of
opensuse comes in mind, then some other distribution...While I know
that these are fedora mailing list and anyone is going to give
directions for only Fedora, but can one honestly tell me the
differences between Fedora and opensuse? I came to know from some
people that not to try Ubuntu (I don't know why they said so) and said
that most of the people in Ubuntu mailing lists are more of dumbs, so
I have claimed this question here only but I am really new -- what you
guys think the best, please do tell me

Now since my mind has become a little negative for Ubuntu, I just
wanted to know the truth (remaining) between opensuse and Fedora, and
for rest of the distributions more --  I would really not look for I
would be confused more.



As the great Yogi Berra once said "This is like deja vu all over
again."

Nearly the exact same question came up very recently on this
list...as well as the Ubuntu list...as well as the openSUSE list. 
Even all of the responses seem nearly the same.  Not only that, the
"new" person was also from the same country.

One thing that I don't think anyone has mentioned  "New" members
to the list are (or should be) encouraged to *check the archives* at
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/ to see if a question
has come up recently.  They can also search the archives.  This can
save them, and others a whole lot of time rather than going over the
same thingespecially things that are very much slanted towards
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Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Paul Allen Newell  wrote:

> All the best,

Thanks Paul.
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Ralf Corsepius  wrote:

>>> http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html

> It's up to you to draw your conclusions.

> Some people consider this "agreement" to be the "dawn of mankind", "SUSE
> betraying/threatening the freedoms of Linux" and "SUSE having contracted
> with the devils of the 'evil empire'".

> To other people (apparently SUSE itself) it's a "valuable feature" and
> valuable advantage SUSE Linux has over its competitors.

> To most end-users, this contract is not of much practical importance, but is
> more a political thing.

Yes but I have started the torrent download of -- Fedora and Ubuntu
(LTS) for this time, after the completion would definitely start for
11.4 openSUSE too and would see from the LIVE CDs which suit me the
most, which I assume either Fedora or Ubuntu, but without actually
practically seeing I really cannot comments. Thanks to the developers
that they created the use of Live CDs without which it seems a more
typical kind or thing to judge a distro.
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Ralf Corsepius


On 12/21/2011 07:54 AM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote:

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 4:53 AM, charles zeitler  wrote:


Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with Microsoft...



I really didn't understand this sentence and its hidden (may be) meaning.



Opensuses' 'agreement' with Microsoft



http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html



necessarily imposes limitations (theoretical if not actual) on its development
('intellectual property concerns')


Oh I see, this is really amazing. So should I not use openSUSE because
of this deal? Thanks.


It's up to you to draw your conclusions.

Some people consider this "agreement" to be the "dawn of mankind", "SUSE 
betraying/threatening the freedoms of Linux" and "SUSE having contracted 
with the devils of the 'evil empire'".


To other people (apparently SUSE itself) it's a "valuable feature" and 
valuable advantage SUSE Linux has over its competitors.


To most end-users, this contract is not of much practical importance, 
but is more a political thing.


Ralf
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Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE


On 12/20/2011 11:07 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote:

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Paul Allen Newell  wrote:


Be careful on your judgments ... this list sometimes goes off-topic without
declaring it and it is best to give the benefit of the doubt until a
one-on-one offends. I wish the list would stay on focus, but I also wish
people would use turn signals when driving and have adjusted to the reality
that I am wishing on a star .. and all I care about is not having an
accident.

Your wish is nice and I really didn't know that off topics run here
too, but more of the interest, I got the suggestions. At least more
than 50% of the answers (hope I am true) were related with the query !


Thick skin helps at times ...

All the best,
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Paul Allen Newell  wrote:

> Yes. Pick one now and learn. You'll be surprised at how much better your
> questions are once you've done the plunge. All three sound good ... just do
> it rather than try to figure out what is best from a distance.

Okay sure, I guess I start the torrent download, and thanks again for
the suggestions.
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE


I guess I have to

just pick one at random whether it is Fedora, or openSUSE or Ubuntu.

Thanks.


Yes. Pick one now and learn. You'll be surprised at how much better your 
questions are once you've done the plunge. All three sound good ... just 
do it rather than try to figure out what is best from a distance.



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Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Paul Allen Newell  wrote:

> Be careful on your judgments ... this list sometimes goes off-topic without
> declaring it and it is best to give the benefit of the doubt until a
> one-on-one offends. I wish the list would stay on focus, but I also wish
> people would use turn signals when driving and have adjusted to the reality
> that I am wishing on a star .. and all I care about is not having an
> accident.

Your wish is nice and I really didn't know that off topics run here
too, but more of the interest, I got the suggestions. At least more
than 50% of the answers (hope I am true) were related with the query !
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Paul Allen Newell  wrote:

> You need to just pick a distro, dive in, swim around, and then take another
> look at what you should be using.

http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html

Seeing this, my heart is tilted more towards other distros.
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Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE


On 12/20/2011 10:58 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote:

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:42 AM, g  wrote:


i have never understood why Americans are just Americans with out
distinction as to what part.
my ancestry is Greek and Scotch-Irish.

I guess these are technical lists and anything you say for Americans,
this is not the right place, I assume you are a bit more confused with
you life, so putting any frustration here itself.

Further you are impersonating me to someone else, I don't know what is
your intention but I asked the question here to get some good answers
like many persons here have suggested, but you seem more to be a troll
who is interested in other topics, and starting a debate which serves
no purpose to the mailing lists of Fedora, so I hope you please
...

Further, please guys, if I am wrong, let me know! Thanks. And God Bless Ram.


Be careful on your judgments ... this list sometimes goes off-topic 
without declaring it and it is best to give the benefit of the doubt 
until a one-on-one offends. I wish the list would stay on focus, but I 
also wish people would use turn signals when driving and have adjusted 
to the reality that I am wishing on a star .. and all I care about is 
not having an accident.



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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Paul Allen Newell  wrote:

> Until you are familiar enough with any version of Linux, this "issue" is
> academic as you can't determine whether it applies to you or not.

> You need to just pick a distro, dive in, swim around, and then take another
> look at what you should be using. Choice of os is best based on experience
> rather than theory / advice.

Correct, and thanks for this suggestion, reading the whole of the
list, I guess I just pick one at random, use it for at least 6 months
and then give a try to some other one. You are right that people here
have different experiences so they tell accordingly, I guess I have to
just pick one at random whether it is Fedora, or openSUSE or Ubuntu.

Thanks.
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE


On 12/20/2011 10:54 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote:



http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html
necessarily imposes limitations (theoretical if not actual) on its development
('intellectual property concerns')

Oh I see, this is really amazing. So should I not use openSUSE because
of this deal? Thanks.


Until you are familiar enough with any version of Linux, this "issue" is 
academic as you can't determine whether it applies to you or not.


You need to just pick a distro, dive in, swim around, and then take 
another look at what you should be using. Choice of os is best based on 
experience rather than theory / advice.


Hope it goes well,
Paul
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Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:42 AM, g  wrote:

> i have never understood why Americans are just Americans with out
> distinction as to what part.

> my ancestry is Greek and Scotch-Irish.

I guess these are technical lists and anything you say for Americans,
this is not the right place, I assume you are a bit more confused with
you life, so putting any frustration here itself.

Further you are impersonating me to someone else, I don't know what is
your intention but I asked the question here to get some good answers
like many persons here have suggested, but you seem more to be a troll
who is interested in other topics, and starting a debate which serves
no purpose to the mailing lists of Fedora, so I hope you please
...

Further, please guys, if I am wrong, let me know! Thanks. And God Bless Ram.
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 4:53 AM, charles zeitler  wrote:

>>> Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with Microsoft...

>> I really didn't understand this sentence and its hidden (may be) meaning.

> Opensuses' 'agreement' with Microsoft

> http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html

> necessarily imposes limitations (theoretical if not actual) on its development
> ('intellectual property concerns')

Oh I see, this is really amazing. So should I not use openSUSE because
of this deal? Thanks.
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Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Antonio Olivares
 wrote:

> If you want to learn linux, then go and get Slackware!
> If you want hand holding and flash + codecs get Mint based on Ubuntu, If you 
> want 2 learn Fedora then stay and use it.  If you want to use OpenSUSE you 
> can do it too.

> If you just want to get a feel for either system get a livecd and run it from 
> each system. Then try to decide for yourself which systems works better for 
> you.  OpenSUSE slept with the devil in the M$ deal, but it is a good system 
> and if that does not bother you?  You can also go for Arch Linux, Gentoo 
> Linux or other source based distro in which you really get to learn linux and 
> not let the distro creators what they want* and you get to decide what you 
> want*!

> Fedora is an excellent system but you have to try it on your own and get to 
> like it.

Well, thanks for the suggestions, I really would have to see the Live CDs.
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