Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
On 27 Sep 2011, at 13:00, Marko Vojinovic vvma...@gmail.com wrote On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Aaron Gray aaronngray.li...@gmail.com wrote: This is well worth looking at, it was GNU SIP Communicator :- http://jitsi.org/ It supports lots of formats, including Facebook, Google and Skype I believe. Somehow I doubt Skype is supported. ;-) Since Skype doesn't use SIP (it has a proprietary protocol), it would be strange if Jitsi did support it. Poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
On 27 September 2011 18:30, Marko Vojinovic vvma...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Aaron Gray aaronngray.li...@gmail.com wrote: This is well worth looking at, it was GNU SIP Communicator :- http://jitsi.org/ It supports lots of formats, including Facebook, Google and Skype I believe. Somehow I doubt Skype is supported. ;-) support for Skype’s SILK wideband codec Aaron -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
Timothy Murphy writes: Pardon my ignorance, but how does one use Google Chat? I've downloaded google-talkplugin_current_i386.rpm from http://www.google.com/chat/video, and installed it with sudo yum localinstall. Now what ...? Log into your Gmail account. Send an invite to a contact. Wait for them to accept, now you can talk with each other. pgpJQxPJNPTID.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 07:41 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Timothy Murphy writes: Pardon my ignorance, but how does one use Google Chat? I've downloaded google-talkplugin_current_i386.rpm from http://www.google.com/chat/video, and installed it with sudo yum localinstall. Now what ...? Log into your Gmail account. Send an invite to a contact. Wait for them to accept, now you can talk with each other. That is not what I do. You go to your gmaail account nad you will see on the left side an item: Call Phone You click on that and a telphone dial will appear on the screen which I use to dial the number I want to call. -- === I think it is true for all _n. I was just playing it safe with _n = 3 because I couldn't remember the proof. -- Baker, Pure Math 351a === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
Hi Guys, This is well worth looking at, it was GNU SIP Communicator :- http://jitsi.org/ It supports lots of formats, including Facebook, Google and Skype I believe. Aaron -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Aaron Gray aaronngray.li...@gmail.com wrote: This is well worth looking at, it was GNU SIP Communicator :- http://jitsi.org/ It supports lots of formats, including Facebook, Google and Skype I believe. Somehow I doubt Skype is supported. ;-) Best, :-) Marko -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
In regards to Call Phone on gmail ... On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 7:08 AM, Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 07:41 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Timothy Murphy writes: Pardon my ignorance, but how does one use Google Chat? I've downloaded google-talkplugin_current_i386.rpm from http://www.google.com/chat/video, and installed it with sudo yum localinstall. Now what ...? Log into your Gmail account. Send an invite to a contact. Wait for them to accept, now you can talk with each other. That is not what I do. You go to your gmaail account nad you will see on the left side an item: Call Phone You click on that and a telphone dial will appear on the screen which I use to dial the number I want to call. The good news about Call Phone is it is free to call US and Canada thru the end of 2011. Darlene Wallach -- === I think it is true for all _ n. I was just playing it safe with _ n = 3 because I couldn't remember the proof. -- Baker, Pure Math 351a === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- equal justice under law -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 10:33 -0700, Darlene Wallach wrote: In regards to Call Phone on gmail ... On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 7:08 AM, Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 07:41 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Timothy Murphy writes: Pardon my ignorance, but how does one use Google Chat? I've downloaded google-talkplugin_current_i386.rpm from http://www.google.com/chat/video, and installed it with sudo yum localinstall. Now what ...? Log into your Gmail account. Send an invite to a contact. Wait for them to accept, now you can talk with each other. That is not what I do. You go to your gmaail account nad you will see on the left side an item: Call Phone You click on that and a telphone dial will appear on the screen which I use to dial the number I want to call. The good news about Call Phone is it is free to call US and Canada thru the end of 2011. What is going to happen after that, or don't we know. -- === ... I don't like FRANK SINATRA or his CHILDREN. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 10:33 -0700, Darlene Wallach wrote: In regards to Call Phone on gmail ... On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 7:08 AM, Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 07:41 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Timothy Murphy writes: Pardon my ignorance, but how does one use Google Chat? I've downloaded google-talkplugin_current_i386.rpm from http://www.google.com/chat/video, and installed it with sudo yum localinstall. Now what ...? Log into your Gmail account. Send an invite to a contact. Wait for them to accept, now you can talk with each other. That is not what I do. You go to your gmaail account nad you will see on the left side an item: Call Phone You click on that and a telphone dial will appear on the screen which I use to dial the number I want to call. The good news about Call Phone is it is free to call US and Canada thru the end of 2011. What is going to happen after that, or don't we know. Google will start charging for using Call Phone. Darlene Wallach -- === ... I don't like FRANK SINATRA or his CHILDREN. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- equal justice under law -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
Hi Michael, On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: Google did not package the RPM properly (which is typical of them). The RPM calls for lib4l2.so.0 in a non-arch specific manor, so yum installs both arches of the libv4l package. It never uses the 32-bit library. Sorry I wasn't clear. But my intention was to show the packaging error. Doesn't really matter if the actual binary is native 64 bit or not if you care about not pulling in 32 bit dependencies. Yum doesn't let you remove that automatically pulled dependency later on either (at least in my limited understanding). Skype also has a similar packaging problem (at least it used to when I first installed it). In that case its missing dependencies instead of extra dependencies. Hope that clears any confusion and sorry if I offended you by the snip. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 03:34:34PM +0200, suvayu ali wrote: On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: Native Linux 64-bit binaries are available. Not quite: $ sudo yum history info 337 ... Command Line : update google-talkplugin ... Packages Altered: Updated google-talkplugin-2.2.2.0-1.x86_64 Update2.3.2.0-1.x86_64 Dep-Install libv4l-0.8.5-1.fc14.i686 That's what I was afraid of finding out. Previously when I looked into it it had dependencies on 32-bit libraries. Even though it _claimed_ to be 64-bit, it was really a 32-bit package with a targeted arch of 64-bit. -- Darryl L. Pierce, Sr. Software Engineer @ Red Hat, Inc. Delivering value year after year. Red Hat ranks #1 in value among software vendors. http://www.redhat.com/promo/vendor/ pgpfiQWzyw9oC.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
suvayu ali wrote: Not quite: Yes, quite. Please don't snip my e-mails to exclude vital information. $ ldd /opt/google/talkplugin/libnpgoogletalk64.so linux-vdso.so.1 = (0x76562000) libdl.so.2 = /lib64/libdl.so.2 (0x7f48f6ead000) libpthread.so.0 = /lib64/libpthread.so.0 (0x7f48f6c92000) libstdc++.so.6 = /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.6 (0x7f48f698a000) libm.so.6 = /lib64/libm.so.6 (0x7f48f6706000) libc.so.6 = /lib64/libc.so.6 (0x7f48f636c000) /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x0034c5c0) libgcc_s.so.1 = /lib64/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x7f48f6156000) As shown above (and in my original mail) Google supplies a *native 64-bit binary*. Google did not package the RPM properly (which is typical of them). The RPM calls for lib4l2.so.0 in a non-arch specific manor, so yum installs both arches of the libv4l package. It never uses the 32-bit library. $ rpm -q google-talkplugin --requires | grep libv4l libv4l2.so.0 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
As I understand it, there seem to be 2 ways to use skype, ekiga, Bosix, etc and probably google. skype to skype, and skype to telephone. skype to skype is free of charge, that's the one I refer to. For skype to telephone you pay skype in advance by opening an account and can make calls as you wish to the value of the account. I would assume that would similarly apply to google. Some of my associates who are in frequent international contact have skype acounts. They have VOIP telephones and modems. Bigpond in Australia disables VOIP in the Thompson Gateway modems. That is one of the things I don't understand. Google has not asked me for money to telephone. I live in San Antonio and I called my son in Chicago. I have no account with Google and as far as I can see the call was free. Can someone explain this? -- === Good day to deal with people in high places; particularly lonely stewardesses. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
On 09/25/2011 09:20 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: That is one of the things I don't understand. Google has not asked me for money to telephone. I live in San Antonio and I called my son in Chicago. I have no account with Google and as far as I can see the call was free. Can someone explain this? The service is free for now - that's the short explanation. They intend to start charging, and were supposed to start this year, but they quietly announced an extension to the free service last year. They are building up a user base and presumably, they'll offer enhancements to the service at some point which they will start charging for...something like that. With MS in charge now, I wouldn't expect it to stay free much longer. -- Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net wrote: As I understand it, there seem to be 2 ways to use skype, ekiga, Bosix, etc and probably google. skype to skype, and skype to telephone. skype to skype is free of charge, that's the one I refer to. For skype to telephone you pay skype in advance by opening an account and can make calls as you wish to the value of the account. I would assume that would similarly apply to google. Some of my associates who are in frequent international contact have skype acounts. They have VOIP telephones and modems. Bigpond in Australia disables VOIP in the Thompson Gateway modems. That is one of the things I don't understand. Google has not asked me for money to telephone. I live in San Antonio and I called my son in Chicago. I have no account with Google and as far as I can see the call was free. Can someone explain this? If you look at this chart, calls to US and Canada are free. http://www.google.com/chat/voice/compare.html -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Fulko Hew fulko@gmail.com wrote: Can someone explain this? If you look at this chart, calls to US and Canada are free. You are correct if you are connecting from the US/Canada - but if you connect from elsewhere there is a charge even for calls to the US/Canada - eg it is not free from the UK. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
On Sun, 2011-09-25 at 09:32 -0400, Fulko Hew wrote: On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net wrote: As I understand it, there seem to be 2 ways to use skype, ekiga, Bosix, etc and probably google. skype to skype, and skype to telephone. skype to skype is free of charge, that's the one I refer to. For skype to telephone you pay skype in advance by opening an account and can make calls as you wish to the value of the account. I would assume that would similarly apply to google. Some of my associates who are in frequent international contact have skype acounts. They have VOIP telephones and modems. Bigpond in Australia disables VOIP in the Thompson Gateway modems. That is one of the things I don't understand. Google has not asked me for money to telephone. I live in San Antonio and I called my son in Chicago. I have no account with Google and as far as I can see the call was free. Can someone explain this? If you look at this chart, calls to US and Canada are free. http://www.google.com/chat/voice/compare.html Except if you look at the Terms of Service tab on that page the prices are for Google Voice. I am using Google Chat which is a different product. What are its costs? -- === Someone is speaking well of you. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
I use Google Voice all the time and I have use Google chat. When you make a call with Google Chat you can actually see the credit you have in Google Voice. I actually made a phone call from the Phillipines to San Diego using Google Chat and it was free. I do not know how. I do know that phone calls with Google Voice within the US are free and the calls to other countries are less expensive than Skype ( I also have Skype). Skype has a rate but then they add extra fees, which Google Voice does not. :-) On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.netwrote: On Sun, 2011-09-25 at 09:32 -0400, Fulko Hew wrote: On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net wrote: As I understand it, there seem to be 2 ways to use skype, ekiga, Bosix, etc and probably google. skype to skype, and skype to telephone. skype to skype is free of charge, that's the one I refer to. For skype to telephone you pay skype in advance by opening an account and can make calls as you wish to the value of the account. I would assume that would similarly apply to google. Some of my associates who are in frequent international contact have skype acounts. They have VOIP telephones and modems. Bigpond in Australia disables VOIP in the Thompson Gateway modems. That is one of the things I don't understand. Google has not asked me for money to telephone. I live in San Antonio and I called my son in Chicago. I have no account with Google and as far as I can see the call was free. Can someone explain this? If you look at this chart, calls to US and Canada are free. http://www.google.com/chat/voice/compare.html Except if you look at the Terms of Service tab on that page the prices are for Google Voice. I am using Google Chat which is a different product. What are its costs? -- === Someone is speaking well of you. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
Néstor writes: « HTML content follows » I use Google Voice all the time and I have use Google chat. When you make a call with Google Chat you can actually see the credit you have in Google Voice. I actually made a phone call from the Phillipines to San Diego using Google Chat and it was free. I do not know how. It doesn't matter where you are -- GV calls originate from the US, and GV calls to most US numbers are free. I do know that phone calls with Google Voice within the US are free and the calls to other countries are less expensive than Skype ( I also have Skype). Skype has a rate but then they add extra fees, which Google Voice does not. :-) On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Aaron Konstam URL:mailto:akons...@sbcglobal.netakons...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On Sun, 2011-09-25 at 09:32 -0400, Fulko Hew wrote: On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Aaron Konstam URL:mailto:akons...@sbcglobal.netakons...@sbcglobal.net wrote: As I understand it, there seem to be 2 ways to use skype, ekiga, Bosix, etc and probably google. skype to skype, and skype to telephone. skype to skype is free of charge, that's the one I refer to. For skype to telephone you pay skype in advance by opening an account and can make calls as you wish to the value of the account. I would assume that would similarly apply to google. Some of my associates who are in frequent international contact have skype acounts. They have VOIP telephones and modems. Bigpond in Australia disables VOIP in the Thompson Gateway modems. That is one of the things I don't understand. Google has not asked me for money to telephone. I live in San Antonio and I called my son in Chicago. I have no account with Google and as far as I can see the call was free. Can someone explain this? If you look at this chart, calls to US and Canada are free. URL:http://www.google.com/chat/voice/compare.htmlhttp://www.google.com/c hat/voice/compare.html Except if you look at the Terms of Service tab on that page the prices are for Google Voice. I am using Google Chat which is a different product. What are its costs? -- === Someone is speaking well of you. === Aaron Konstam telephone: URL:tel:%28210%29%20656-0355(210) 656-0355 e- mail: URL:mailto:akons...@sbcglobal.netakons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list URL:mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.orgusers@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: URL:https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/usershttps://admin. fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: URL:http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelineshttp://fedorapr oject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines pgpKa2djwXWMJ.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:58, Michael Ekstrand mich...@elehack.net wrote: * Call quality - Skype's call quality is somewhat better than Google's VoIP offerings in my experience. That´s a popular myth. A SIP voip call goes computer-to-computer or device-to-device over the IP cloud. Voip quality was an issue ten years ago, not anymore, not only are the internet backbone links much faster, but also the end user connections were faster. I started doing VOIP using services like Deltathree.com and Net2Phone ten years ago, with a dial-up connection THAT was awful quality (more like AM radio). Nowadays, any SIP VOIP call gives you equal quality to a land line, on any 256 KBPs or higher broadband link (in fact, voice calls rarely user over 64K of bandwidth with modern codecs, but the extra data pipe length just gives a comfort zone to know there will be no congestion and delays... In fact, I question the whole idea that peer to peer is useful or even desirable for voice calls. Every additional hop (host) on an internet connection adds delay, and delay is what kills voice communications. So how on earth can a voice call passing through a dozen p2p nodes be better than a direct pc-to-pc link using the default route provided by the normal tcpip routing, than the extra overhead of a P2P protocol added on top of it?. Since the Skype protocol is propietary and unknown to the general public, I seriously question there is actually any p2p going on for actual voice packets. Perhaps for text chat and discovery (in other words a distributed p2p directory), but for voice? doesn´t make any sense to me. FC -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 23:58, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: That´s a popular myth. A SIP voip call goes computer-to-computer or device-to-device over the IP cloud. Let me rephrase can go... voipstuff.net.au/IPDialling.html FC -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: Native Linux 64-bit binaries are available. Not quite: $ sudo yum history info 337 ... Command Line : update google-talkplugin ... Packages Altered: Updated google-talkplugin-2.2.2.0-1.x86_64 Update2.3.2.0-1.x86_64 Dep-Install libv4l-0.8.5-1.fc14.i686 -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
On Sat, 2011-09-24 at 09:23 +1000, Roger wrote: How are Skype users addressed? I suppose I am OK if I know their telephone number. Skype, for me on Unbuntu and Fedora took about a few seconds to install. Read the skype instructions for how to use. To use, you need the skype addresses of the people you wish to contact, from memory there are lists of skype users that you can choose from. If yo want to telephone people using skype that's another matter. Roger I assume you are saying that you can only contact people who use Skype when their computers are on. The phone company is glad to give me peoples phone numbers, so that seems like a better way to reach people. But it seems to me that the Google products allow Skype-like communication including video conferencing. -- === Take your work seriously but never take yourself seriously; and do not take what happens either to yourself or your work seriously. -- Booth Tarkington === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
That is true since I received the message in my inbox. I an including the contents below On Sat, 2011-09-24 at 13:28 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: You appear to have sent this only to me and not to the list. poc On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On Fri, 2011-09-23 at 16:55 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2011-09-23 at 16:10 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Fri, 2011-09-23 at 15:15 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2011-09-23 at 09:43 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: I have long been intrigued wit having Skype-like capabilities for my computer. I recently looked at Google Chat which seems to be similar and is really easy to install and use (at least on my F14 laptop). What am I missing by not using Skype? Multi-part conferencing (with the paid Skype option), but see Google+ which also supports this. It's not clear if Google Chat is going to survive. poc Google has another product called Google Voice that does all that. The focus of Google Voice is among other things allow you to manage all your POTS-style services such as call forwarding, screening etc. (to oversimplify somewhat). However AFAIK Google Voice was until recently only available in the US (Wikipedia says it was extended to some other countries in August 2011 but it's not available where I am). And I'm not aware that it has any free multi-party conferencing feature, but by all means correct me if I'm wrong. poc I am not an expert on Google Voice, but from what I can gather from the book, Google Voice for Dummies Google Voice can do multi-party conferencing. My impression is these services are not free. The book implies it can be used in countries other than the US (on cell phones at least) but the quality of service is worse than in the US. -- === Life is cheap, but the accessories can kill you. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- === We gotta get out of this place, If it's the last thing we ever do. -- The Animals === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
On 09/24/2011 09:16 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: The phone company is glad to give me peoples phone numbers, so that seems like a better way to reach people. Skype has a good lookup feature that allows you to find Skype IDs by entering either a real name or an email address. The lookup returns all three items for all matches it finds. -- Bob Nichols NOSPAM is really part of my email address. Do NOT delete it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
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On 25/09/11 00:16, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Sat, 2011-09-24 at 09:23 +1000, Roger wrote: How are Skype users addressed? I suppose I am OK if I know their telephone number. Skype, for me on Unbuntu and Fedora took about a few seconds to install. Read the skype instructions for how to use. To use, you need the skype addresses of the people you wish to contact, from memory there are lists of skype users that you can choose from. If yo want to telephone people using skype that's another matter. Roger I assume you are saying that you can only contact people who use Skype when their computers are on. The phone company is glad to give me peoples phone numbers, so that seems like a better way to reach people. But it seems to me that the Google products allow Skype-like communication including video conferencing. As I understand it, there seem to be 2 ways to use skype, ekiga, Bosix, etc and probably google. skype to skype, and skype to telephone. skype to skype is free of charge, that's the one I refer to. For skype to telephone you pay skype in advance by opening an account and can make calls as you wish to the value of the account. I would assume that would similarly apply to google. Some of my associates who are in frequent international contact have skype acounts. They have VOIP telephones and modems. Bigpond in Australia disables VOIP in the Thompson Gateway modems. Skype, Bosix and similar have video and conferencing, I discuss our Drupal cms development on skype conference and the others involved have video. I can see them, they cannot see me. Bandwidth is a problem in non city areas. Conference calls drop out very very often and this I feel would apply to any service which relies on copper cabling and inadequate resources in the exchanges. I read somewhere that greater stability can be purchased through/with an account. I use skype because my associates have it. Some however are going over to Bosix which is reputed to be more stable and more secure with better video and conferencing, I have no knowledge on this. Because google seems to be moving more to surveillance and marketing, I am unsettled with more than minimal use of such services. Hope this helps Roger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
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I have long been intrigued wit having Skype-like capabilities for my computer. I recently looked at Google Chat which seems to be similar and is really easy to install and use (at least on my F14 laptop). What am I missing by not using Skype? -- === Your talents will be recognized and suitably rewarded. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
On 09/23/2011 09:43 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: I have long been intrigued wit having Skype-like capabilities for my computer. I recently looked at Google Chat which seems to be similar and is really easy to install and use (at least on my F14 laptop). What am I missing by not using Skype? * Having your computer and internet connection used as a P2P bridge for other peoples' conversations while idle. * Call quality - Skype's call quality is somewhat better than Google's VoIP offerings in my experience. But, if Google's quality meets your requirements, then by all means use it :). - Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
On 09/23/2011 09:43 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: I have long been intrigued wit having Skype-like capabilities for my computer. I recently looked at Google Chat which seems to be similar and is really easy to install and use (at least on my F14 laptop). What am I missing by not using Skype? The ability to talk to Skype users. Until there's a universal bridge, you'll need to use the system that the people on the other side want to use. -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.netwrote: I have long been intrigued wit having Skype-like capabilities for my computer. I recently looked at Google Chat which seems to be similar and is really easy to install and use (at least on my F14 laptop). What am I missing by not using Skype The ability to call POTS almost anywhere in the world. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
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On Friday 23 Sep 2011 11:11:19 Fulko Hew wrote: The ability to call POTS almost anywhere in the world. You can do that now with google chat :) Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 09:43:33AM -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: I have long been intrigued wit having Skype-like capabilities for my computer. I recently looked at Google Chat which seems to be similar and is really easy to install and use (at least on my F14 laptop). What am I missing by not using Skype? Is the Google chat code native or is in running under WINE? And, if so, do they have a native 64-bit version yet rather than requiring 32-bit libraries? -- Darryl L. Pierce, Sr. Software Engineer @ Red Hat, Inc. Delivering value year after year. Red Hat ranks #1 in value among software vendors. http://www.redhat.com/promo/vendor/ pgpCuuGSwztZ2.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
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On 09/23/2011 07:58 AM, Michael Ekstrand wrote: * Call quality - Skype's call quality is somewhat better than Google's VoIP offerings in my experience. But, if Google's quality meets your requirements, then by all means use it :). And then, of course, there's the most wonderful thing about converting your whole office to VOIP: nobody can call the sysadmin to complain that the LAN's down. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
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On 09/23/2011 08:05 AM, Steven Stern wrote: The ability to talk to Skype users. Until there's a universal bridge, you'll need to use the system that the people on the other side want to use. This isn't the first time that's happened. In the early days of the telephone you could only talk to people who subscribed to the same telephone company that you did. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
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Darryl L. Pierce wrote: Is the Google chat code native or is in running under WINE? And, if so, do they have a native 64-bit version yet rather than requiring 32-bit libraries? Native Linux 64-bit binaries are available. $ rpm -q google-talkplugin google-talkplugin-2.3.2.0-1.x86_64 $ file /opt/google/talkplugin/libnpgoogletalk64.so /opt/google/talkplugin/libnpgoogletalk64.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped Upon installation, the RPM adds Google's yum repository so you will always be up-to-date. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
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Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us And then, of course, there's the most wonderful thing about converting your whole office to VOIP: nobody can call the sysadmin to complain that the LAN's down. Sounds like a very 2010 thing to do... I think we now only have voip for customer helpdesk and the switchboard operators. The rest are only on cell phone. The price war between cell phone operators has made it the best solution for us. And to get on topic again... i didn't see the start of the thread, but remember that there is a yum repo for skype as well. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
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On 09/23/2011 11:31 AM, Weather wrote: Sounds like a very 2010 thing to do... I think we now only have voip for customer helpdesk and the switchboard operators. The rest are only on cell phone. The price war between cell phone operators has made it the best solution for us. I found that comment several years ago in the Scary Devil Monastery, and it stuck in my mind. Feel free to use it whenever appropriate. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
On Fri, 2011-09-23 at 09:43 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: I have long been intrigued wit having Skype-like capabilities for my computer. I recently looked at Google Chat which seems to be similar and is really easy to install and use (at least on my F14 laptop). What am I missing by not using Skype? Multi-part conferencing (with the paid Skype option), but see Google+ which also supports this. It's not clear if Google Chat is going to survive. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
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On Fri, 2011-09-23 at 10:05 -0500, Steven Stern wrote: On 09/23/2011 09:43 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: I have long been intrigued wit having Skype-like capabilities for my computer. I recently looked at Google Chat which seems to be similar and is really easy to install and use (at least on my F14 laptop). What am I missing by not using Skype? The ability to talk to Skype users. Until there's a universal bridge, you'll need to use the system that the people on the other side want to use. -- -- Steve How are Skype users addressed? I suppose I am OK if I know their telephone number. -- === The value of marriage is not that adults produce children, but that children produce adults. -- Peter De Vries === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
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On Fri, 2011-09-23 at 13:10 -0400, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 09:43:33AM -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: I have long been intrigued wit having Skype-like capabilities for my computer. I recently looked at Google Chat which seems to be similar and is really easy to install and use (at least on my F14 laptop). What am I missing by not using Skype? Is the Google chat code native or is in running under WINE? And, if so, do they have a native 64-bit version yet rather than requiring 32-bit libraries? It runs native of the Linux system. They have 32 bit and 64 bit versions. I get the idea that Skype is difficult to install. Google Chat is easy. Less than 5 minutes unless you make the stupid mistakes I made. Go to: gmail.com/videochat and see. -- === QOTD: He's on the same bus, but he's sure as hell got a different ticket. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
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On Fri, 2011-09-23 at 15:15 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2011-09-23 at 09:43 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: I have long been intrigued wit having Skype-like capabilities for my computer. I recently looked at Google Chat which seems to be similar and is really easy to install and use (at least on my F14 laptop). What am I missing by not using Skype? Multi-part conferencing (with the paid Skype option), but see Google+ which also supports this. It's not clear if Google Chat is going to survive. poc Google has another product called Google Voice that does all that. -- === The grass is always greener on the other side of your sunglasses. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
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On Fri, 2011-09-23 at 13:19 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Darryl L. Pierce wrote: Is the Google chat code native or is in running under WINE? And, if so, do they have a native 64-bit version yet rather than requiring 32-bit libraries? Native Linux 64-bit binaries are available. $ rpm -q google-talkplugin google-talkplugin-2.3.2.0-1.x86_64 $ file /opt/google/talkplugin/libnpgoogletalk64.so /opt/google/talkplugin/libnpgoogletalk64.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped Upon installation, the RPM adds Google's yum repository so you will always be up-to-date. The above installation is done automatically when you install from: gmail.com/videochat -- === I'd love to kiss you, but I just washed my hair. -- Bette Davis, Cabin in the Cotton === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
On Fri, 2011-09-23 at 16:10 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Fri, 2011-09-23 at 15:15 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2011-09-23 at 09:43 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: I have long been intrigued wit having Skype-like capabilities for my computer. I recently looked at Google Chat which seems to be similar and is really easy to install and use (at least on my F14 laptop). What am I missing by not using Skype? Multi-part conferencing (with the paid Skype option), but see Google+ which also supports this. It's not clear if Google Chat is going to survive. poc Google has another product called Google Voice that does all that. The focus of Google Voice is among other things allow you to manage all your POTS-style services such as call forwarding, screening etc. (to oversimplify somewhat). However AFAIK Google Voice was until recently only available in the US (Wikipedia says it was extended to some other countries in August 2011 but it's not available where I am). And I'm not aware that it has any free multi-party conferencing feature, but by all means correct me if I'm wrong. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
How are Skype users addressed? I suppose I am OK if I know their telephone number. Skype, for me on Unbuntu and Fedora took about a few seconds to install. Read the skype instructions for how to use. To use, you need the skype addresses of the people you wish to contact, from memory there are lists of skype users that you can choose from. If yo want to telephone people using skype that's another matter. Roger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
