Re: Hibernate and lack of docs
On 09.11.2014 23:38, Martín Marqués wrote: Hi all, I was trying to get hibernation working on my F20 laptop with which I work. Going through the process, which I thought would be more transparent or that it would just be like hitting the hibernation and that's it, I found great deficiencies in Fedora (maybe just from the kernel) and especially in the docs (or the lack of documentation in this particular issue): 1) I had trouble getting the system to hibernate. There wasn't anything clear about the fact that you needed to have a swap bigger than the amount of memory you have. Also, it doesn't work if you have a file as swap (which was the easiest way to start testing) 2) You need (or at least with my laptop) to add the resume=swap FS, this I did find information in the docs, but I'm a bit surprised that Fedora doesn't give better information about all this during the installation process. 3) When adding the resume= option to the kernel line in grub you can't use UUID like FS. That is a bug IMHO. Well that's as much as I remember now. At least I now have hibernation working correctly on my laptop. Regards, https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/usb/power-management.txt https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/power/states.txt https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/power/basic-pm-debugging.txt https://01.org/linuxgraphics/documentation/how-debug-suspend-resume-issues-0 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/S3 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/S4 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hibernate and lack of docs
On 11/11/2014 05:48 AM, Tim wrote: It does if you want to suspend/hibernate to the swap space. Your RAM has to dump its contents somewhere, and that's where it goes. Then consider that swap space is not there doing nothing and just awaiting your hibernating. Some of it could be really in use at the moment you hibernate. -- Roberto Ragusamail at robertoragusa.it -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hibernate and lack of docs
Tim: It does if you want to suspend/hibernate to the swap space. Your RAM has to dump its contents somewhere, and that's where it goes. Roberto Ragusa: Then consider that swap space is not there doing nothing and just awaiting your hibernating. Some of it could be really in use at the moment you hibernate. Which would be managed by the OS as the system hibernates... And, there's the thing about having *more* swap space than RAM, so there is some wiggle room. -- tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.16.7-200.fc20.i686 #1 SMP Thu Oct 30 18:40:30 UTC 2014 i686 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hibernate and lack of docs
On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 03:18:29 PM Tim wrote: It does if you want to suspend/hibernate to the swap space. Your RAM has to dump its contents somewhere, and that's where it goes. I wonder if it creates an image of the whole RAM available to the system or a snapshot of actual RAM being used by the system. That would change things. -- Regards, Sudhir Khanger, sudhirkhanger.com, github.com/donniezazen, 5577 8CDB A059 085D 1D60 807F 8C00 45D9 F5EF C394. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hibernate and lack of docs
On 11.11.2014 21:50, Sudhir Khanger wrote: On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 03:18:29 PM Tim wrote: It does if you want to suspend/hibernate to the swap space. Your RAM has to dump its contents somewhere, and that's where it goes. I wonder if it creates an image of the whole RAM available to the system or a snapshot of actual RAM being used by the system. That would change things. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/S4 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hibernate and lack of docs
2014-11-09 20:31 GMT-03:00 Pete Travis li...@petetravis.com: Please file a bug[1] against the documentation you're referencing, probably the Power Management Guide? That will help the guide coordinator ensure that the issue is appropriately addressed. Point 1) seems especially relevant, that much should be explicitly clear. Will do so. Just wanted to get some impressions here before filing a bug. fwiw, it seems like hibernation is generally falling out of favor these days. I know not everyone has newer systems, but those that do have machines that use shockingly little power on suspend, and cold boot faster than a resume from hibernate could ever achieve. I had a Dell laptop a which I bought about 4 years ago. I almost always suspended it (no hibernation) and when it got to 14 months (warrant was over) it died (hard die, like in motherboard chip got fried). The guy in Dell told me not to suspend the laptop, at least not for long periods of time, which really surprised me. About cold boot, well even if the cold boot is fast, there is lots of things I need to get starting before I start to work (ssh keys, login to monitoring systems, etc) which make a cold boot extremely tiresome. On point 3, one would hope that resuming from hibernate didn't require you to manually edit the grub configs every time :) I'm not well versed in the area, but it smells like at least one bug/deficiency from here. This looks like a kernel bug, as you can specify a boot partition using UUID, so why not the one to resume from. [1] http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/20/html/Power_Management_Guide/pr01s02.html Thanks. -- Martín Marqués http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Training Services -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hibernate and lack of docs
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 10:36:27 -0300 Martín Marqués mar...@2ndquadrant.com wrote: 2014-11-09 20:31 GMT-03:00 Pete Travis li...@petetravis.com: About cold boot, well even if the cold boot is fast, there is lots of things I need to get starting before I start to work (ssh keys, login to monitoring systems, etc) which make a cold boot extremely tiresome. You can achieve this with pm-suspend or pm-suspend-hybrid. BR, Bob -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hibernate and lack of docs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/10/2014 06:36 AM, Martín Marqués wrote: 2014-11-09 20:31 GMT-03:00 Pete Travis li...@petetravis.com: Please file a bug[1] against the documentation you're referencing, probably the Power Management Guide? That will help the guide coordinator ensure that the issue is appropriately addressed. Point 1) seems especially relevant, that much should be explicitly clear. Will do so. Just wanted to get some impressions here before filing a bug. I see the bug - thanks! fwiw, it seems like hibernation is generally falling out of favor these days. I know not everyone has newer systems, but those that do have machines that use shockingly little power on suspend, and cold boot faster than a resume from hibernate could ever achieve. I had a Dell laptop a which I bought about 4 years ago. I almost always suspended it (no hibernation) and when it got to 14 months (warrant was over) it died (hard die, like in motherboard chip got fried). The guy in Dell told me not to suspend the laptop, at least not for long periods of time, which really surprised me. Post hoc, ergo propter hoc? I've had Dell laptops from then, older, newer. Suspend triggered by lid close was the normal disuse state for all, with periodic hard halts due to battery depletion :) Generally, some laptops fail, and some don't - unless there's an explicitly clear impetus, ie prolonged dirty power or physical damage, there's a lot of speculation involved. It seems to be more common with machines equipped with heat-producing dedicated graphics, so I avoid them. About cold boot, well even if the cold boot is fast, there is lots of things I need to get starting before I start to work (ssh keys, login to monitoring systems, etc) which make a cold boot extremely tiresome. On point 3, one would hope that resuming from hibernate didn't require you to manually edit the grub configs every time :) I'm not well versed in the area, but it smells like at least one bug/deficiency from here. This looks like a kernel bug, as you can specify a boot partition using UUID, so why not the one to resume from. [1] http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/20/html/Power_Management_Guide/pr01s02.html Thanks. Sure, just because hibernation has 'fallen out of favor' doesn't mean you shouldn't expect it to work :) The kernel devs are good about triage, filing a bug there would be a good start even if the kernel isn't directly at fault (systemd, maybe?) - -- - -- Pete Travis - Fedora Docs Project Leader - 'randomuser' on freenode - immanet...@fedoraproject.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUYOrVAAoJEL1wZM0+jj2ZA/4IAKNHkJonhK8HJVepHrnyjFsg rSol2u5LfOOu/X+OZByHr5fZKsUBeI6LuHG046AdcJGACTvi1hDBVCD+ApmuzgHz /mdh/F0Pb0IVx5V7RTSZJHn6Uiq/c0j4rR3HcxmtHkZyp9oFo5HHCB1U6PRheJLN fSf1zUHmoAHvMN3UOy+hXeve6m1ur7q0trAxEizYsNEsDWXSsQlSqfgfRo5qZ3tB 0EjtRrjEq6At+fzHUsyYO+76w+UJZ4i80oZukeCIpANKfmcnmU3AGkdQ4t3oOJEI 1hhB0/dt/DPa4dm7LntpM52zSSpRGIarlPrTVgSrnjQSEtQ0xwtTrrjNEeBODUc= =/tID -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hibernate and lack of docs
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:42:07AM -0700, Pete Travis wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/10/2014 06:36 AM, Martín Marqués wrote: 2014-11-09 20:31 GMT-03:00 Pete Travis li...@petetravis.com: snip I had a Dell laptop a which I bought about 4 years ago. I almost always suspended it (no hibernation) and when it got to 14 months (warrant was over) it died (hard die, like in motherboard chip got fried). The guy in Dell told me not to suspend the laptop, at least not for long periods of time, which really surprised me. Post hoc, ergo propter hoc? I've had Dell laptops from then, older, newer. Suspend triggered by lid close was the normal disuse state for all, with periodic hard halts due to battery depletion :) Generally, some laptops fail, and some don't - unless there's an explicitly clear impetus, ie prolonged dirty power or physical damage, there's a lot of speculation involved. It seems to be more common with machines equipped with heat-producing dedicated graphics, so I avoid them. About cold boot, well even if the cold boot is fast, there is lots of things I need to get starting before I start to work (ssh keys, login to monitoring systems, etc) which make a cold boot extremely tiresome. On point 3, one would hope that resuming from hibernate didn't require you to manually edit the grub configs every time :) I'm not well versed in the area, but it smells like at least one bug/deficiency from here. This looks like a kernel bug, as you can specify a boot partition using UUID, so why not the one to resume from. [1] http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/20/html/Power_Management_Guide/pr01s02.html Thanks. Sure, just because hibernation has 'fallen out of favor' doesn't mean you shouldn't expect it to work :) The kernel devs are good about triage, filing a bug there would be a good start even if the kernel isn't directly at fault (systemd, maybe?) Agreed, it SHOULD work, wherver possible (within constraints of weird/ broken hardware). I sometimes need to shut down a machine (laptop or desktop) temporarily while I have important stuff open or otherwise in progress, and do not want to lose it. Suspend isn't always suitable because you can't unplug a desktop to move it while in suspend, unless you don't mind losing what you're doing. And of course, if I NEEDED hibernate, suspend just wouldn't do. As a programmer myself, I understand (painfully, too often) that for any arbitrary situation one might find oneself stuck in, that some of the more attractive choices just won't do, and the really useful choice can be painful, so I DO have sympathy for people who would like to deprecate hibernate because the hardware situation is a big mess. -- --- .Fred Smith / ( /__ ,__. __ __ / __ : / // / /__) / / /__) .+' Home: fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us // (__ (___ (__(_ (___ / :__ 781-438-5471 Jude 1:24,25 - -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hibernate and lack of docs
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 4:08 AM, Martín Marqués mar...@2ndquadrant.com wrote: 1) I had trouble getting the system to hibernate. There wasn't anything clear about the fact that you needed to have a swap bigger than the amount of memory you have. Also, it doesn't work if you have a file as swap (which was the easiest way to start testing) I don't think swap size has to be bigger than size of RAM. Arch Linux has a good note on size of swap partition [1] which links to kernel documentation[2]. I used to make 4GB of swap partition on a system with 8GB of RAM on Arch Linux. Anaconda makes 7.6GB of swap partition on same machine. Swap file does support hibernating. Again refer to Arch Linux wiki [3]. I have tried both of the above scenarios myself. I have switched to Fedora and I use btrfs filesystem, so, I can't provide any more info. I have Thinkpad T420i. Hibernation can be useful when you know that you are travelling and won't use your laptop for certain number of hours. And when battery runs out suspend will kill everything and shutdown. [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Suspend_and_hibernate#About_swap_partition.2Ffile_size [2] https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/power/interface.txt [3] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Suspend_and_hibernate#Hibernation_into_swap_file -- Regards, Sudhir Khanger, sudhirkhanger.com, github.com/donniezazen, 5577 8CDB A059 085D 1D60 807F 8C00 45D9 F5EF C394. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hibernate and lack of docs
On Tue, 2014-11-11 at 02:07 +0530, Sudhir Khanger wrote: I don't think swap size has to be bigger than size of RAM. Arch Linux has a good note on size of swap partition [1] which links to kernel documentation[2]. I used to make 4GB of swap partition on a system with 8GB of RAM on Arch Linux. It does if you want to suspend/hibernate to the swap space. Your RAM has to dump its contents somewhere, and that's where it goes. -- tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.16.7-200.fc20.i686 #1 SMP Thu Oct 30 18:40:30 UTC 2014 i686 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Hibernate and lack of docs
Hi all, I was trying to get hibernation working on my F20 laptop with which I work. Going through the process, which I thought would be more transparent or that it would just be like hitting the hibernation and that's it, I found great deficiencies in Fedora (maybe just from the kernel) and especially in the docs (or the lack of documentation in this particular issue): 1) I had trouble getting the system to hibernate. There wasn't anything clear about the fact that you needed to have a swap bigger than the amount of memory you have. Also, it doesn't work if you have a file as swap (which was the easiest way to start testing) 2) You need (or at least with my laptop) to add the resume=swap FS, this I did find information in the docs, but I'm a bit surprised that Fedora doesn't give better information about all this during the installation process. 3) When adding the resume= option to the kernel line in grub you can't use UUID like FS. That is a bug IMHO. Well that's as much as I remember now. At least I now have hibernation working correctly on my laptop. Regards, -- Martín Marqués http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Training Services -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hibernate and lack of docs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/09/2014 03:38 PM, Martín Marqués wrote: Hi all, I was trying to get hibernation working on my F20 laptop with which I work. Going through the process, which I thought would be more transparent or that it would just be like hitting the hibernation and that's it, I found great deficiencies in Fedora (maybe just from the kernel) and especially in the docs (or the lack of documentation in this particular issue): 1) I had trouble getting the system to hibernate. There wasn't anything clear about the fact that you needed to have a swap bigger than the amount of memory you have. Also, it doesn't work if you have a file as swap (which was the easiest way to start testing) 2) You need (or at least with my laptop) to add the resume=swap FS, this I did find information in the docs, but I'm a bit surprised that Fedora doesn't give better information about all this during the installation process. 3) When adding the resume= option to the kernel line in grub you can't use UUID like FS. That is a bug IMHO. Well that's as much as I remember now. At least I now have hibernation working correctly on my laptop. Regards, Please file a bug[1] against the documentation you're referencing, probably the Power Management Guide? That will help the guide coordinator ensure that the issue is appropriately addressed. Point 1) seems especially relevant, that much should be explicitly clear. fwiw, it seems like hibernation is generally falling out of favor these days. I know not everyone has newer systems, but those that do have machines that use shockingly little power on suspend, and cold boot faster than a resume from hibernate could ever achieve. On point 3, one would hope that resuming from hibernate didn't require you to manually edit the grub configs every time :) I'm not well versed in the area, but it smells like at least one bug/deficiency from here. [1] http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/20/html/Power_Management_Guide/pr01s02.html - -- - -- Pete Travis - Fedora Docs Project Leader - 'randomuser' on freenode - immanet...@fedoraproject.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUX/k7AAoJEL1wZM0+jj2Z8HEH/3v6F+RMnJ8vIs4BB8Qw0+Df BUq1ID6myD8ldmLEzWb72UnKmtWDcqpafB52TDXbea83ZNaQKwMKM6GtVEIOLTmX 5baA3l2M8C9N7LVyb9ZKPvoOcUefcbUXJge/oX3MI+qf3PoC9hkb/LSMuiNHwEUI ZDPz+iYZnObmo0zDxTlYPwRbVU1qZYvstrOliThA2jFG2La8ojIyCzWIxEeFsS5N PQ90Vax4HXVUvkhZaxVtBx+ufr0HN4gSPzTL/zUY9vkskgJ0JaGsHNyvLsEmNMoV IVnu6815OzBtQWHvJCROGFRODfBrQaKC97tsc5LaIouhbCqhn32YNkJUqSt2SMs= =zvbw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hibernate and lack of docs
On 11/10/14 06:38, Martín Marqués wrote: Hi all, I was trying to get hibernation working on my F20 laptop with which I work. I don't use hibernation myself but Going through the process, which I thought would be more transparent or that it would just be like hitting the hibernation and that's it, I found great deficiencies in Fedora (maybe just from the kernel) and especially in the docs (or the lack of documentation in this particular issue): 1) I had trouble getting the system to hibernate. There wasn't anything clear about the fact that you needed to have a swap bigger than the amount of memory you have. Also, it doesn't work if you have a file as swap (which was the easiest way to start testing) http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/Installation_Guide/s2-diskpartrecommend-x86.html Yes, it is true that you may have to look at earlier release documentation as it may not be carried forward if the information hasn't changed. 2) You need (or at least with my laptop) to add the resume=swap FS, this I did find information in the docs, but I'm a bit surprised that Fedora doesn't give better information about all this during the installation process. 3) When adding the resume= option to the kernel line in grub you can't use UUID like FS. That is a bug IMHO. Let us know the bugzilla # after you file it. Well that's as much as I remember now. At least I now have hibernation working correctly on my laptop. When it comes to documentation deficiencies you're invited to help improve the documentation as this is community driven. -- If you can't laugh at yourself, others will gladly oblige. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hibernate and lack of docs
On Sun, 9 Nov 2014 16:31:07 -0700 Pete Travis li...@petetravis.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/09/2014 03:38 PM, Martín Marqués wrote: Hi all, I was trying to get hibernation working on my F20 laptop with which I work. Going through the process, which I thought would be more transparent or that it would just be like hitting the hibernation and that's it, I found great deficiencies in Fedora (maybe just from the kernel) and especially in the docs (or the lack of documentation in this particular issue): 1) I had trouble getting the system to hibernate. There wasn't anything clear about the fact that you needed to have a swap bigger than the amount of memory you have. Also, it doesn't work if you have a file as swap (which was the easiest way to start testing) 2) You need (or at least with my laptop) to add the resume=swap FS, this I did find information in the docs, but I'm a bit surprised that Fedora doesn't give better information about all this during the installation process. 3) When adding the resume= option to the kernel line in grub you can't use UUID like FS. That is a bug IMHO. Well that's as much as I remember now. At least I now have hibernation working correctly on my laptop. Regards, Please file a bug[1] against the documentation you're referencing, probably the Power Management Guide? That will help the guide coordinator ensure that the issue is appropriately addressed. Point 1) seems especially relevant, that much should be explicitly clear. fwiw, it seems like hibernation is generally falling out of favor these days. I know not everyone has newer systems, but those that do have machines that use shockingly little power on suspend, and cold boot faster than a resume from hibernate could ever achieve. On point 3, one would hope that resuming from hibernate didn't require you to manually edit the grub configs every time :) I'm not well versed in the area, but it smells like at least one bug/deficiency from here. [1] http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/20/html/Power_Management_Guide/pr01s02.html The following thread of December 2013 may be useful. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-December/443871.html I think it was a rank bad idea on the part of Fedora to blindly follow stupid Ubuntu and disable hibernation by default. As a result, it appears to me that this feature of the kernel is not being tested enough, as evidenced from my tribulations using a Dell Precision M3800. There is now no longer enough data on possible issues with this feature for developers to put fixes on. (Not everyone realizes that the feature can be turned on, and they give up on hibernation rather than try it and file bug reports). Hopefully, Fedora will consider bringing back this resume feature enabled by default in future releases. Ranjan - -- - -- Pete Travis - Fedora Docs Project Leader - 'randomuser' on freenode - immanet...@fedoraproject.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUX/k7AAoJEL1wZM0+jj2Z8HEH/3v6F+RMnJ8vIs4BB8Qw0+Df BUq1ID6myD8ldmLEzWb72UnKmtWDcqpafB52TDXbea83ZNaQKwMKM6GtVEIOLTmX 5baA3l2M8C9N7LVyb9ZKPvoOcUefcbUXJge/oX3MI+qf3PoC9hkb/LSMuiNHwEUI ZDPz+iYZnObmo0zDxTlYPwRbVU1qZYvstrOliThA2jFG2La8ojIyCzWIxEeFsS5N PQ90Vax4HXVUvkhZaxVtBx+ufr0HN4gSPzTL/zUY9vkskgJ0JaGsHNyvLsEmNMoV IVnu6815OzBtQWHvJCROGFRODfBrQaKC97tsc5LaIouhbCqhn32YNkJUqSt2SMs= =zvbw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- Important Notice: This mailbox is ignored: e-mails are set to be deleted on receipt. Please respond to the mailing list if appropriate. For those needing to send personal or professional e-mail, please use appropriate addresses. FREE 3D EARTH SCREENSAVER - Watch the Earth right on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/earth -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
