Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance
Hi all, Brand new Fedora 32 KDE spin installation. Seems to work nicely, except: I have an error notification popping up, every hour, in the bottom right corner of the screen: Plasma Desktop Workspace (and the minutes since the message was posted, or the time, hourly of a previous message) Update Error Sender is not authorized to send message. Searching produces NO answers using any combination of those words. Can anyone assist? It's very annoying. R. Geoffrey Newbury ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 9:54 PM R. G. Newbury wrote: > Brand new Fedora 32 KDE spin installation. Seems to work nicely, except: > > I have an error notification popping up, every hour, in the bottom right > corner of the screen: > > Plasma Desktop Workspace (and the minutes since the message was posted, > or the time, hourly of a previous message) > Update Error > Sender is not authorized to send message. That sounds like a dbus error. Have you seen any indication of an SELinux denial? If not, run "journalctl -x" in a terminal and search for "Sender is not authorized to send message". Does it appear? If so, what are the lines immediately above and below that? -- Jerry James http://www.jamezone.org/ ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance
On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 10:30:04 -0600 Jerry James wrote On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 9:54 PM R. G. Newbury wrote: > Brand new Fedora 32 KDE spin installation. Seems to work nicely, except: > > I have an error notification popping up, every hour, in the bottom right > corner of the screen: > > Plasma Desktop Workspace (and the minutes since the message was posted, > or the time, hourly of a previous message) > Update Error > Sender is not authorized to send message. That sounds like a dbus error. Have you seen any indication of an SELinux denial? If not, run "journalctl -x" in a terminal and search for "Sender is not authorized to send message". Does it appear? If so, what are the lines immediately above and below that? * It was apparently something to do with selinux. I usually disable selinux as the first or second thing I do to a new install. I forgot to do that. A quick edit to /etc/selinux/config and a reboot solved removed the annoyance. (I cannot say 'solved the problem as I have no idea what the actual problem was: this was the 'sledge-hammer for walnuts' resolution.) Now how you deciphered that that was where the error came from is just further evidence that far too much of system management is arcane magic: Clarke's Law: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Oddly 1) I was running as root... so *who/what* was the 'unauthorized sender'? and 2) Journalctl showed NOTHING about errors. Thanks for the help Jerry R. Geoffrey Newbury ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance
On 6/7/20 10:31 AM, R. G. Newbury wrote: It was apparently something to do with selinux. I usually disable selinux as the first or second thing I do to a new install. I forgot to do that. That should never be necessary. A quick edit to /etc/selinux/config and a reboot solved removed the annoyance. (I cannot say 'solved the problem as I have no idea what the actual problem was: this was the 'sledge-hammer for walnuts' resolution.) Now how you deciphered that that was where the error came from is just further evidence that far too much of system management is arcane magic: Clarke's Law: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Oddly 1) I was running as root... so *who/what* was the 'unauthorized sender'? and That sounds like a likely cause right there. Why are you doing that? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance
On Sun, 2020-06-07 at 12:51 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > That sounds like a likely cause right there. Why are you doing that? Doctor, doctor, it hurts when I do this. Then stop doing that. But I want to. Then you'll have to learn put up with the pain. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1127.10.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Jun 3 14:28:03 UTC 2020 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance
On 2020-06-07 4:46 p.m., From: Samuel Sieb wrote: On 6/7/20 10:31 AM, R. G. Newbury wrote: It was apparently something to do with selinux. I usually disable selinux as the first or second thing I do to a new install. I forgot to do that. That should never be necessary. Well obviously, it WAS necessary in order to get rid of an objectionable and annoying message, which was otherwise impossible to get rid of. Oddly 1) I was running as root... so*who/what* was the 'unauthorized sender'? and That sounds like a likely cause right there. Why are you doing that? Wow! So running as root causes error messages? Pull the other leg, it has bells on it! And why? Because this was immediately after a clean install to a brand new drive, while I was still running upgrades and transferring files from backup. Much easier to do that as root, so that is what I do. If you want to type sudo a hundred times, go right ahead. Running as root is not a disaster. Get over it. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance
On Mon, Jun 08, 2020 at 12:41:03PM -0400, R. G. Newbury wrote: > Wow! So running as root causes error messages? Pull the other leg, it has > bells on it! > > And why? Because this was immediately after a clean install to a brand new > drive, while I was still running upgrades and transferring files from > backup. Much easier to do that as root, so that is what I do. If you want to > type sudo a hundred times, go right ahead. > > Running as root is not a disaster. Get over it. Were you logging into the graphical session as root, or logging in as a normal user and starting a root shell with sudo? Or were you using root at the console login instead of the graphical login? -- Jonathan Billings ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance
I keep asking for people to point me to the huge list of exploits that certainly must exist given all the horrors expressed about running as root. No one has ever been able to tell me where to find it. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance
On Mon, Jun 8, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > I keep asking for people to point me to the huge list > of exploits that certainly must exist given all the > horrors expressed about running as root. > > No one has ever been able to tell me where to find it. Don't know about expolits, but the big issue that I *think* comes from it is that can be created as root:root while you are doing things. Later you log back in as the user and don't have access to stuff you need to update, change, delete, etc. -- Doug Herr fedoraproject@wombatz.com ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance
On 06/08/2020 11:54 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: I keep asking for people to point me to the huge list of exploits that certainly must exist given all the horrors expressed about running as root. No one has ever been able to tell me where to find it. This is because the problem with running as root isn't exploits, it's typos, and commands that have more scope when run as root. There's a well-known command that can delete your entire file system if and only if it's run as root. It's not that hard to type by mistake, or by fat fingering something else but unless you're root, it's not a disaster. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance
On 6/8/20 9:41 AM, R. G. Newbury wrote: On 2020-06-07 4:46 p.m., From: Samuel Sieb wrote: On 6/7/20 10:31 AM, R. G. Newbury wrote: Oddly 1) I was running as root... so*who/what* was the 'unauthorized sender'? and That sounds like a likely cause right there. Why are you doing that? Wow! So running as root causes error messages? Pull the other leg, it has bells on it! Yes, running a graphical interface as root is likely to cause error messages. And why? Because this was immediately after a clean install to a brand new drive, while I was still running upgrades and transferring files from backup. Much easier to do that as root, so that is what I do. If you want to type sudo a hundred times, go right ahead. Running as root is not a disaster. Get over it. It's not necessarily a disaster, but not a good idea. Many years ago I used to always login as root because it was "easier". But then I realized it was unnecessary, somewhat hazardous, and tended to cause weird issues if I wasn't careful or even if I was. "sudo -i" is easy and convenient. I always have several terminal windows open with that running for the various root tasks like dnf, or checking things to answer questions here. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance
On 2020-06-08 14:40, Samuel Sieb wrote: But then I realized it was unnecessary, somewhat hazardous, and tended to cause weird issues if I wasn't careful or even if I was. "sudo -i" is easy and convenient. I always have several terminal windows open with that running for the various root tasks like dnf, or checking things to answer questions here. ° I often have a window open using "su" is that less desirable than using sudo? Bob -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD FEDORA-32/64bit LINUX XFCE Fastmail POP3 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance
On 6/8/20 11:51 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: On 2020-06-08 14:40, Samuel Sieb wrote: But then I realized it was unnecessary, somewhat hazardous, and tended to cause weird issues if I wasn't careful or even if I was. "sudo -i" is easy and convenient. I always have several terminal windows open with that running for the various root tasks like dnf, or checking things to answer questions here. ° I often have a window open using "su" is that less desirable than using sudo? Bob It's just different. To use "su", you need to enter the root password. "sudo" uses your user password. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance
On 06/08/2020 12:51 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote: I often have a window open using "su" is that less desirable than using sudo? Bob Same here. I never put myself in wheel because I always know the root password and don't need sudo. I can't say that I always have a terminal open as root, but I do have an icon on my panel allowing me to open my file manager (Thunar, as I use Xfce.) as root. I don't think I've used it in over a year, but once in a great while it comes in handy. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance
On Mon, Jun 08, 2020 at 01:54:21PM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > > I keep asking for people to point me to the huge list > of exploits that certainly must exist given all the > horrors expressed about running as root. > > No one has ever been able to tell me where to find it. Running a graphical session as root violates a very basic UNIX principal of separation of access. Root is a special case user because it can (using normal UNIX permissions) access everything. Every bug that tricks a process into allowing it to get at unexpected resources is a bug that is even worse if you're running as root. For example, if you are using a file manager that creates thumbprint images for pictures in the directory it is viewing, any image-rendering exploit now can launch processes that can access everything, not just your user's data. Your web browser is one of the biggest vectors of attack on your computer. Now you've got poorly-secured javascript with the ability to read every file and read all process's memory. Fortunately, we have tools like SELinux that can contain what a service running as root can do, but if you're running your desktop session as root, it's largely uncontained. You're throwing much of the security the OS provides out the window. Windows learned this lesson too, which is why you don't log in and run as Administrator, and you need to get prompted to raise access level. Sure, there are plenty of people who still do it, and they get compromised that much easier. -- Jonathan Billings ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance
On Monday, June 8, 2020 12:41:03 PM EDT R. G. Newbury wrote: > On 2020-06-07 4:46 p.m., From: Samuel Sieb wrote: > >On 6/7/20 10:31 AM, R. G. Newbury wrote: > >> It was apparently something to do with selinux. I usually disable > >> selinux as the first or second thing I do to a new install. I > >> forgot to do that. > > That should never be necessary. > > Well obviously, it WAS necessary in order to get rid of an > objectionable and annoying message, which was otherwise impossible > to get rid of. I imagine that he meant that restoring some file context that was modified incorrectly by the root user would be a better way to solve the problem, thus disabling was not necessary. Obviously I cannot know what the problem really is, but it has been many years since I even came close to disabling selinux. It is hard to belive that a brand new system was created with an invalid file context. Those kinds of bugs don't get past updates-testing these days. So whatever was going on as the root user is almost certainly to blame. The restorecon(8) command is a handy command to get to know. Running it with the -nv option against the files and directories that were manipulated by root will probably reveal the exact error. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance
On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 at 15:00, Doug H. wrote: > On Mon, Jun 8, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > > I keep asking for people to point me to the huge list > > of exploits that certainly must exist given all the > > horrors expressed about running as root. > > No one has ever been able to tell me where to find it. > I'm certain TLA folks could provide some reasons selinux was invented, but then they'd have to kill us. Don't know about expolits, but the big issue that I *think* comes from it > is that can be created as root:root while you are doing things. Later you > log back in as the user and don't have access to stuff you need to update, > change, delete, etc. > Agree: Linux maintainers spend a lot of their time triaging bug reports, so measures that reduce ways users can screw things up are important. A good example is Fedora's download, reboot, update mechanism. Maybe the OP didn't file a bug report, but others would. I've see many problems created by abuses of sudo that sprinkle filesystems with permissions that prevent regular users from doing normal things. I work with a couple large applications from ESA and NASA that regularly get problem reports where the underlying problem was a sudo install. Both applications have substantial download on demand data components running in background, so fail badly when root:root owns the directory trees. If the OP really has a use case where disabling selinux and running as root is necessary (and doesn't have unpleasant side effects) they should discuss it in an selinux forum to make sure there isn't some more rootless selinux way to accomplish the tasks. -- George N. White III ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance
The latest one is a java based exploit that hits both Linux and Windows. It was
announced within the past week. CERT is a good place to go looking for exploits.
Running as root for system maintenance makes sense. Running as root routinely
day after day is asking for problems. Perhaps the worst malware that exists is
the interface between the screen and the keyboard making a typo or a thinko.
{^_^}
On 20200608 10:54:21, Tom Horsley wrote:
I keep asking for people to point me to the huge list
of exploits that certainly must exist given all the
horrors expressed about running as root.
No one has ever been able to tell me where to find it.
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Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance
On 6/8/20 6:55 PM, jdow wrote:
The latest one is a java based exploit that hits both Linux and
Windows. It was announced within the past week. CERT is a good place
to go looking for exploits. Running as root for system maintenance
makes sense. Running as root routinely day after day is asking for
problems. Perhaps the worst malware that exists is the interface
between the screen and the keyboard making a typo or a thinko.
I think the "problem" has been, by this time, done to death, but from
what I'm reading on the Kubuntu list, I think the latest rev may
have restored a version of Dolphin--perhaps under a different name--that
accesses a root environment. (I have in my records a
means of creating this situation on an old PCLOS version. I don't know
if it would work in a modern environment.) OpenSUSE's KDE provides
Dolphin PLUS a separate app that looks and works like Dolphin, but has
root access after you supply a password.
Now to the question for you: CERT seems to mean Community Emergency
Response Team. Is this what you mean, or am I (probably)
missing something?
--doug, WA2SAY
{^_^}
On 20200608 10:54:21, Tom Horsley wrote:
I keep asking for people to point me to the huge list
of exploits that certainly must exist given all the
horrors expressed about running as root.
No one has ever been able to tell me where to find it.
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Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance
On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 19:14:52 -0400 Doug McGarrett wrote: > Now to the question for you: CERT seems to mean Community Emergency > Response Team. Is this what you mean, or am I (probably) > missing something? https://www.us-cert.gov/ ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance
On Mon, 2020-06-08 at 11:40 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > Many years ago I used to always login as root because it was > "easier". But then I realized it was unnecessary, somewhat > hazardous, and tended to cause weird issues if I wasn't careful or > even if I was. When I first explored Linux, I did that a bit. But SOON discovered it was RARELY necessary, and it often painted you into a corner. You ended up making things root-owned that shouldn't be, then you needed to be root to do ordinary things, because of that. People fall into the same trap with SELinux, stupidly disabling it, then having to keep it that way, because their files are mislabelled, and they keep trying to do thing that they shouldn't do (e.g. have webservers read and write outside of safe filepaths). So much of the computer's configuration is user-oriented, i.e. you configure things for your logon, not the computer. Each user is different. Generally speaking, the root user didn't configure things for all users, they configured things for the root user. So, again, there was little point in being root. There's a few things you set up once, printers, network, time, but then you don't do anything more with them once you've got them going. But the one thing that really gets me is: What the hell are people doing with their computers that they need to be constantly administering it? You should be able to set it up and then just use it. I do a "sudo yum update" every few days, and that's usually it. I used to fix some computers for local schools. The users were always messing them up. But once you de-authorised users from doing things they shouldn't be able to do, and locked things down with (what's now default) sensible security settings, all that went away. Semi-weekly fixups of crap dropped down to being just semi-annual decluttering of unneeded old work files filling up drive space. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1127.10.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Jun 3 14:28:03 UTC 2020 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance
On 6/8/20 4:14 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote: if it would work in a modern environment.) OpenSUSE's KDE provides Dolphin PLUS a separate app that looks and works like Dolphin, but has root access after you supply a password. I expect it's just a different desktop file that launches Dolphin using ksudo or whatever it is. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
e: Hourly Error ,> Message of Unknown Provenance
On 2020-06-08 2:42 p.m.,Jonathan Billings wrote On Mon, Jun 08, 2020 at 12:41:03PM -0400, R. G. Newbury wrote: Wow! So running as root causes error messages? Pull the other leg, it has bells on it! And why? Because this was immediately after a clean install to a brand new drive, while I was still running upgrades and transferring files from backup. Much easier to do that as root, so that is what I do. If you want to type sudo a hundred times, go right ahead. Running as root is not a disaster. Get over it. Were you logging into the graphical session as root, or logging in as a normal user and starting a root shell with sudo? Or were you using root at the console login instead of the graphical login? At the time I was logging into the graphical session as root. 'Who' the unauthorized sender is/was is the conundrum. Seems to be related to selinux, since disabling that killed the error message. But why it happened in the first place, I have no idea. And at this point, as someone said, what difference does it make? Geoff ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance
On 2020-06-08 2:42 p.m.>Samuel Sieb wrote> On 6/8/20 9:41 AM, R. G. Newbury wrote:>> On 2020-06-07 4:46 p.m., From: Samuel Sieb wrote:>>> On 6/7/20 10:31 AM, R. G. Newbury wrote: Oddly 1) I was running as root... so*who/what* was the 'unauthorized sender'? and>>> That sounds like a likely cause right there. Why are you doing that?>> Wow! So running as root causes error messages? Pull the other leg, it>> has bells on it!> Yes, running a graphical interface as root is likely to cause error> messages. I find that concept very intriguing. I would be interested in learning exactly how or when running as root in a graphical session can *cause* an error. Root is uid 0 (zero). There are no gradations or ranks within root. It seems completely irrational to me, that linux would be designed and implemented in a manner such that the ultimate power that is, does things 'wrong' by default. This is entirely apart from the question of running things as root, which in general terms, I consider 'a good thing' as distinct to 'a bad thing'. YMMV. The only time which I can remember where I inadvertently deleted something in bulk, that I had not intended, I was running as a regular user, and deleted things *on the laptop*, forgetting that I was ssh'd into the laptop in that console. Would not have mattered if I was root. It wasn't boken but I frixed it anyway. Geoff ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance
On Mon, 08 Jun 2020 16:02:02 -0400 "Garry T. Williams" wrote On Monday, June 8, 2020 12:41:03 PM EDT R. G. Newbury wrote: On 2020-06-07 4:46 p.m., From: Samuel Sieb wrote: On 6/7/20 10:31 AM, R. G. Newbury wrote: It was apparently something to do with selinux. I usually disable selinux as the first or second thing I do to a new install. I forgot to do that. That should never be necessary. Well obviously, it WAS necessary in order to get rid of an objectionable and annoying message, which was otherwise impossible to get rid of. I imagine that he meant that restoring some file context that was modified incorrectly by the root user would be a better way to solve the problem, thus disabling was not necessary. Unfortunately Samuel did not add anything about restoring the file context and I took his response to contain a modicum of 'Karen'. My bad(?) Obviously I cannot know what the problem really is, but it has been many years since I even came close to disabling selinux. It is hard to belive that a brand new system was created with an invalid file context. Those kinds of bugs don't get past updates-testing these days. So whatever was going on as the root user is almost certainly to blame.Well on reflecting, I cannot see anything which I could have done. As noted, it was a bare metal install (actually the second to the new SSD,as after the first go-around, I realized I needed more room on one of the partitions, so I re-booted with a rescue disk, used gparted to change the partition structure and installed. After the installation re-boot, I upgraded some 527 packages, and re-re-booted into a new kernel. I then started transferring (by rsync) the data for the /home, /misc and /usr/local partitions. Somewhere in there, the error started popping up. I have, since then, tracked down a certain slowness in the login, to the lack of an xorg.conf file. It is possible that xinit was trying to report that it was having trouble connecting, as I found that message in the Xorg.0.log. But, why would xinit be unauthorized? The mystery continues. I don't think I did anything wrong or bad. Most of my interactions involved long wait periods while processes processed Geoff ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
