Re: Intermittent freezing
L : Well, sadly say, problem is still there. when a web page with some media component opened, most likely, it frozed. I am confident that Firefox's npviewer.bin is the prime culprit. If I'm not mistaken, npviwer.bin is part of nspluginwrapper which enables 32-bit plugins to run on 64-bit systems. So, you do not need it. hmm... The Fedora flash page http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flash suggests nspluginwrapper for 32-bit systems. That's odd. (Written by security people?) I don't use nspluginwrapper and flash (adobe preview 2) is quite stable for me. But then I'm on x86-64. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Intermittent freezing
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Takehiko Abe k...@gol.com wrote: hmm... The Fedora flash page http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flash suggests nspluginwrapper for 32-bit systems. That's odd. (Written by security people?) Adobe canned the native 64bit plugin which is now highly vulnerable (and won't be fixed) and is probably why people recommend to use the 32bit version - at least it gets updates (albeit at a slow pace). -c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Intermittent freezing
On 11/02/2010 06:20 PM, Chris Smart wrote: On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Takehiko Abe k...@gol.com wrote: hmm... The Fedora flash page http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flash suggests nspluginwrapper for 32-bit systems. That's odd. (Written by security people?) Adobe canned the native 64bit plugin which is now highly vulnerable (and won't be fixed) and is probably why people recommend to use the 32bit version - at least it gets updates (albeit at a slow pace). Your information is quite old and obsolete. Adobe has released 2 updated 64-bit plugins in September (9/14 and 9/27, but no further updates in October). I'm not sure how many of the vulnerabilities have been fixed, but many of the sites which used to work no longer have mouse/keyboard support, particularly some flash game sites. These releases are labeled as pre-releases, but I have no idea when any final releases may come (probably not until the 64-bit plugin does everything the 32-bit plugin currently does). -c -- Kevin J. Cummings kjch...@rcn.com cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net cummi...@kjc386.framingham.ma.us Registered Linux User #1232 (http://counter.li.org) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Intermittent freezing
Chris Smart: hmm... The Fedora flash page http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flash suggests nspluginwrapper for 32-bit systems. That's odd. (Written by security people?) Adobe canned the native 64bit plugin which is now highly vulnerable (and won't be fixed) I had used that highly vulnerable 64-bit plugin for 3 months after the vulnerability was reported in last June. Nothing bad happened to me. Actually no exploit against linux system was reported. That's the reality of the highly vulnerable. I won't worry about them until I start hearing actual exploits happen to linux users. And I don't see that coming. The specific vulnerability you are referring to has already been fixed. It is CVE-2010-1297 and it affects 10.0.45.2 and earlier versions. The current preview version is 10.2.161.23. Another zero-day vulnerability (CVE-2010-2884) has also been fixed. http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/ | Recent Updates | | September 27, 2010 — Flash Player Square has been updated to | include the security enhancements described in Security Bulletin | APSB10-22. In addition, 32-bit content debuggers are now available | in this preview. The Zero-day sounds scary, but it's for WINDOWS (so far). and is probably why people recommend to use the 32bit version I was talking about nspluginwrapper being used on 32-bit systems. Quote http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flash#On_32-bit_Fedora | On 32-bit Fedora | | After completing the Adobe repository configuration, run the | following command to install the Flash plugin and ensure sound is | enabled: | | su -c 'yum install nspluginwrapper alsa-plugins-pulseaudio flash-plugin' | | You may see messages indicating that some of these packages are | already installed. This is not a problem. (In particular, a default | graphical install of 32-bit Fedora already includes both | nspluginwrapper and alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Intermittent freezing
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 2:04 AM, L yuan...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Takehiko Abe k...@gol.com wrote: If your laptop uses Intel graphics, the culprit might be: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528312 I had a similar problem and was able to fix it by undoing the fedora patch for xorg-x11-drv-intel as suggested by Colin Macdonald: I had similar problem with HP NC8000 (fedora 13 2.6.34.7-61.fc13.i686 #1 SMP). I found the desktop got frozen when firefox is playing some video stuff. My problem was a bit different in that firefox is not involved. So no guarantee. Please refer to the above bug #528312. The bug report is long and there are multiple fixes proposed. could you give a detailed steps on how you did this? thank The origin: Comment #70 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528312#c70 Short version: 1. Downloaded xorg-x11-drv-intel source. 2. Build it without uevent.patch Long version: 1. Downloaded xorg-x11-drv-intel source. $ yumdownloader --source xorg-x11-drv-intel 2. Install packages required for building the package. $ sudo yum-builddep xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.11.0-5.fc13.src.rpm 3. Create ~/rpmbuild tree and install src files there $ rpmdev-setuptree $ rpm -ivh xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.11.0-5.fc13.src.rpm 4. Move to ~/rpmbuild $ cd ~/rpmbuild 5. Remove uevent.patch Delete (or comment out) the two lines from SPECS/xorg-x11-drv-intel.spec : Patch60: uevent.patch and %patch60 -p1 -b .uevent 6. Build $ rpmbuild -bb SPECS/xorg-x11-drv-intel.spec 7. Install $ sudo rpm -i --force RPMS/XXX/xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.11.0-5.fc13.XXX.rpm thanks, after installation of locally-built xorg-x11-drv-intel, I feel it fixed partially the problem. The desktop is still intermittently freezing, but less frequent. my observations are: this is very likely caused by Firefox's npviewer.bin in my case, this occurred after kenerl upgraded to kernel-2.6.34 my temperate work-around is installation of flashblock plugin Well, sadly say, problem is still there. when a web page with some media component opened, most likely, it frozed. I am confident that Firefox's npviewer.bin is the prime culprit. I moved to opera, so far so good in terms of viewing videos -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- Linux Toys http://linuxishbell.wordpress.com/ -- Linux Toys http://linuxishbell.wordpress.com/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Intermittent freezing
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Takehiko Abe k...@gol.com wrote: If your laptop uses Intel graphics, the culprit might be: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528312 I had a similar problem and was able to fix it by undoing the fedora patch for xorg-x11-drv-intel as suggested by Colin Macdonald: I had similar problem with HP NC8000 (fedora 13 2.6.34.7-61.fc13.i686 #1 SMP). I found the desktop got frozen when firefox is playing some video stuff. My problem was a bit different in that firefox is not involved. So no guarantee. Please refer to the above bug #528312. The bug report is long and there are multiple fixes proposed. could you give a detailed steps on how you did this? thank The origin: Comment #70 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528312#c70 Short version: 1. Downloaded xorg-x11-drv-intel source. 2. Build it without uevent.patch Long version: 1. Downloaded xorg-x11-drv-intel source. $ yumdownloader --source xorg-x11-drv-intel 2. Install packages required for building the package. $ sudo yum-builddep xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.11.0-5.fc13.src.rpm 3. Create ~/rpmbuild tree and install src files there $ rpmdev-setuptree $ rpm -ivh xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.11.0-5.fc13.src.rpm 4. Move to ~/rpmbuild $ cd ~/rpmbuild 5. Remove uevent.patch Delete (or comment out) the two lines from SPECS/xorg-x11-drv-intel.spec : Patch60: uevent.patch and %patch60 -p1 -b .uevent 6. Build $ rpmbuild -bb SPECS/xorg-x11-drv-intel.spec 7. Install $ sudo rpm -i --force RPMS/XXX/xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.11.0-5.fc13.XXX.rpm thanks, after installation of locally-built xorg-x11-drv-intel, I feel it fixed partially the problem. The desktop is still intermittently freezing, but less frequent. my observations are: this is very likely caused by Firefox's npviewer.bin in my case, this occurred after kenerl upgraded to kernel-2.6.34 my temperate work-around is installation of flashblock plugin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- Linux Toys http://linuxishbell.wordpress.com/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Intermittent freezing
I am running Fedora 13 with Linux Kernel 2.6.33-3.85.fc13.x86_64 with Gnome 2.30.0 on HP laptop ProBook 4510S At times, it almost freezes, with very slow response to the keyboard. System monitor shows that something is hogging the CPU. Sometimes, after a few minutes, it recovers, other times I have to re-boot. Any ideas? Nigel -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Intermittent freezing
Nigel Bishop N.Bishop at ru.ac.za writes: ... Hi, give us an output from an X terminal: $ top quit and include it in reply. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Intermittent freezing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/29/2010 04:05 AM, Nigel Bishop wrote: I am running Fedora 13 with Linux Kernel 2.6.33-3.85.fc13.x86_64 with Gnome 2.30.0 on HP laptop ProBook 4510S At times, it almost freezes, with very slow response to the keyboard. System monitor shows that something is hogging the CPU. Sometimes, after a few minutes, it recovers, other times I have to re-boot. Any ideas? Nigel Which system monitor program are you using? To my surprise, gnome-system-monitor shows me, under Processes, only my processes, not all the processes in the system. Question to everyone, is there a way to have gnome-system-monitor show all processes, in the system, not just my processes? The KDE system monitor, ksysguard, on the other hand, can show me all processes in the system. One can also run top in a shell. If top -i is done, idled or zombied processes will not be displayed. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzKubwACgkQyc8Kn0p/AZTsFwCgiho/zN2j72lhTKzxFR3Bhhu1 OFQAn0sZdAc/PPEljKDDJqu1SpbqySXi =lL83 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Intermittent freezing
Nigel Bishop : I am running Fedora 13 with Linux Kernel 2.6.33-3.85.fc13.x86_64 with Gnome 2.30.0 on HP laptop ProBook 4510S At times, it almost freezes, with very slow response to the keyboard. System monitor shows that something is hogging the CPU. Sometimes, after a few minutes, it recovers, other times I have to re-boot. If your laptop uses Intel graphics, the culprit might be: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528312 I had a similar problem and was able to fix it by undoing the fedora patch for xorg-x11-drv-intel as suggested by Colin Macdonald: Comment #70 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528312#c70 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Intermittent freezing
Rick Sewill rsewill at gmail.com writes: ... To my surprise, gnome-system-monitor shows me, under Processes, only my processes, not all the processes in the system. Question to everyone, is there a way to have gnome-system-monitor show all processes, in the system, not just my processes? .. Just select (click on) any process, then View, and Select All Processes. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Intermittent freezing
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Takehiko Abe k...@gol.com wrote: Nigel Bishop : I am running Fedora 13 with Linux Kernel 2.6.33-3.85.fc13.x86_64 with Gnome 2.30.0 on HP laptop ProBook 4510S At times, it almost freezes, with very slow response to the keyboard. System monitor shows that something is hogging the CPU. Sometimes, after a few minutes, it recovers, other times I have to re-boot. If your laptop uses Intel graphics, the culprit might be: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528312 I had a similar problem and was able to fix it by undoing the fedora patch for xorg-x11-drv-intel as suggested by Colin Macdonald: I had similar problem with HP NC8000 (fedora 13 2.6.34.7-61.fc13.i686 #1 SMP). I found the desktop got frozen when firefox is playing some video stuff. could you give a detailed steps on how you did this? thank Comment #70 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528312#c70 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- Linux Toys http://linuxishbell.wordpress.com/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Intermittent freezing
If your laptop uses Intel graphics, the culprit might be: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528312 I had a similar problem and was able to fix it by undoing the fedora patch for xorg-x11-drv-intel as suggested by Colin Macdonald: I had similar problem with HP NC8000 (fedora 13 2.6.34.7-61.fc13.i686 #1 SMP). I found the desktop got frozen when firefox is playing some video stuff. My problem was a bit different in that firefox is not involved. So no guarantee. Please refer to the above bug #528312. The bug report is long and there are multiple fixes proposed. could you give a detailed steps on how you did this? thank The origin: Comment #70 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528312#c70 Short version: 1. Downloaded xorg-x11-drv-intel source. 2. Build it without uevent.patch Long version: 1. Downloaded xorg-x11-drv-intel source. $ yumdownloader --source xorg-x11-drv-intel 2. Install packages required for building the package. $ sudo yum-builddep xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.11.0-5.fc13.src.rpm 3. Create ~/rpmbuild tree and install src files there $ rpmdev-setuptree $ rpm -ivh xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.11.0-5.fc13.src.rpm 4. Move to ~/rpmbuild $ cd ~/rpmbuild 5. Remove uevent.patch Delete (or comment out) the two lines from SPECS/xorg-x11-drv-intel.spec : Patch60: uevent.patch and %patch60 -p1 -b .uevent 6. Build $ rpmbuild -bb SPECS/xorg-x11-drv-intel.spec 7. Install $ sudo rpm -i --force RPMS/XXX/xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.11.0-5.fc13.XXX.rpm -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Intermittent freezing
On Friday 29 October 2010 02:05 AM, Nigel Bishop wrote: I am running Fedora 13 with Linux Kernel 2.6.33-3.85.fc13.x86_64 with Gnome 2.30.0 on HP laptop ProBook 4510S At times, it almost freezes, with very slow response to the keyboard. System monitor shows that something is hogging the CPU. Sometimes, after a few minutes, it recovers, other times I have to re-boot. I am seeing something like this too. F13 64-bit. I 'll try to investigate when this happens again. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Intermittent freezing
On 10/29/2010 7:10 AM, Rick Sewill wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/29/2010 04:05 AM, Nigel Bishop wrote: I am running Fedora 13 with Linux Kernel 2.6.33-3.85.fc13.x86_64 with Gnome 2.30.0 on HP laptop ProBook 4510S At times, it almost freezes, with very slow response to the keyboard. System monitor shows that something is hogging the CPU. Sometimes, after a few minutes, it recovers, other times I have to re-boot. Any ideas? Nigel Which system monitor program are you using? To my surprise, gnome-system-monitor shows me, under Processes, only my processes, not all the processes in the system. Question to everyone, is there a way to have gnome-system-monitor show all processes, in the system, not just my processes? The KDE system monitor, ksysguard, on the other hand, can show me all processes in the system. One can also run top in a shell. If top -i is done, idled or zombied processes will not be displayed. Firefox's npviewer.bin is a common culprit, here. I've seen it grab and hang onto more than 90% of CPU in both linux and WinXP, even when no Flash is being played at the time. This only happens after playing a series of youtube vids, though. The top cmd run in a root shell, or KDE system monitor will show all processes. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
